LOL.I tried to illustrate the 2 by using close weights and just caliber changes.Why didn't you adjust your fps for the heavier .22 pellet from the same power source? It's actually 740fps in .22,,,from the same gun (power source), that did 900fps in .177 C'mon.... You young guns are slippin' They can't both do 900fps...and the more weight you add to the .22 pellet, the slower it will go! LOL Good job THD, do it again with the slower fps of the .22 if you haven't ! You'll chuckle.
Quote from: Bullit on January 05, 2014, 06:56:11 PMLOL.I tried to illustrate the 2 by using close weights and just caliber changes.Why didn't you adjust your fps for the heavier .22 pellet from the same power source? It's actually 740fps in .22,,,from the same gun (power source), that did 900fps in .177 C'mon.... You young guns are slippin' They can't both do 900fps...and the more weight you add to the .22 pellet, the slower it will go! LOL Good job THD, do it again with the slower fps of the .22 if you haven't ! You'll chuckle. Well..... Bullit. My gun makes about 920 fps with H&N FTT .22, so the graph is true for my gun. You also know that exceeding ~950 fps, makes for really baaaaad accuracy. Sound barrier and all, you know... That΄s why the best result for force, accuracy and distance, is around 900-950 fps for an airgun. That΄s why you can see the same fps on both .177 and .22. The test is for those that only gets 950 with their .177, and therefor, the result are as previously stated. The .22 is better and carries speed better then a .177, with the same model of pellet. I can get well over 1000 fps, but as accuracy is out the window with those speeds, I stay in the low 900:s.The thread is for which is better for hunting, .177 or .22. Not you and your, which is better for hunting .177 @900 fps or .22 @700 fps.......Get it?
Caliber does not compensate for bad shot placement, especially when the difference is only 1 mm and about 7 grains. Sure, the heavier .22 pellets are more effiecient than a .177, but it really doesn't make that much difference in my opinion. The bottom line is you have to put your pellet right were you want it on small game no matter the caliber when it comes to airguns.
As you climb the power and caliber scale, the kill zone does become larger. At spring piston power levels, you are not going to see it unless you step up to .25 caliber and then trajectory becomes more of an issue except at magnum spring piston power levels where hold sensitivity plays an equal role. Let's be honest- if you are out shooting ghogs for a farmer, they have at least a 50/50 chance at making it back to the hole whether you use a .17$ springer, a .25 springer, a .17 hmr, or a 22-250. The only thing that really changes is your effective range to make a humane kill. When it comes to bunnies and squirrels- or other critters you're gonna eat- you are going to be patient and place that shot that ensures recovery of the animal and meat in your pot regardless of caliber and theoretical kill zone size. Until a .177 pellet reaches velocities that adversely affect accuracy, it is effective at taking game.
Quote from: Pellet Hunter .22 on January 05, 2014, 10:56:45 PMAs you climb the power and caliber scale, the kill zone does become larger. At spring piston power levels, you are not going to see it unless you step up to .25 caliber and then trajectory becomes more of an issue except at magnum spring piston power levels where hold sensitivity plays an equal role. Let's be honest- if you are out shooting ghogs for a farmer, they have at least a 50/50 chance at making it back to the hole whether you use a .17$ springer, a .25 springer, a .17 hmr, or a 22-250. The only thing that really changes is your effective range to make a humane kill. When it comes to bunnies and squirrels- or other critters you're gonna eat- you are going to be patient and place that shot that ensures recovery of the animal and meat in your pot regardless of caliber and theoretical kill zone size. Until a .177 pellet reaches velocities that adversely affect accuracy, it is effective at taking game.I was mainly referring to a .177 vs .22. When you step up to a .22 LR on squirrels the kill zone is very large.
Man! Been a long time since I've seen a thread that needs to die a miserable death. This one qualifies for 2014!BZ
You never seen a gut shot squirrel from a. .22 lr make it to the hole?
It had a good run.... Eight pages and covering two years Yup, both work.Hit the mark, respect power of your given gun and keep distance accordingly and of coarse enjoy! Both will do the job!CW
It seems to me that you and your buddy have everything it takes to figure out whats better, who killed the most squirrels this year you or him?
I am having a debate with my friend that goes hunting with me about the .177 for hunting. He says its better because it has a flatter trajectory and they are more available and that the pellets are more common. But the .177 can't retain energy well, and most of its pellets are not even for hunting. Now, we are comparing it to a .22 since I use the .22 and he uses a .177. I said that the .22 almost always has a tiny bit of more ME than the same gun in .177 and that the pellets are heavier and they make a larger wound channel and they retain energy more than the .177 and most of it's pellets are for hunting. But he says that it does not have a good trajectory vs the .177 and that it goes slower than the .177 and the pellets are not as common as the .177 is. What do you think ? .177 or .22 ?
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