Mobile and lightweight HPA filling solution

[NinjaPaintballRay]

I'm interested in a 2000 dollars 4500psi pump .
Do u do what we called " boast pump" ?
Those that people used to boast a half use 4500psi tank from a full 3000psi tank.
Please send more info about ur company n products to me.
My e mail is     simonwg905@yahoo.com.hk
I am in air gun trade.

Thank you for your post.  I will send you an email in a few minutes.

Ah, sorry, I didn't understand that's what you were aiming for. So it would be an off-the-shelf portable filling station, i.e. a mini-SCUBA or -SCBA solution for use in the field? For hunting, I would definitely be interested in something like that, especially if it was ruggedized in such a way that I wouldn't have to worry about knocking gauges and fill nipples, etc. (especially if I could refill the tank with a manual pump, back at the truck or camp) I'm guessing this can already be done with available tanks and hardware, but an off-the-shelf solution that's competitively priced with a DIY portable-fill tank would be interesting.

Yes, sir!  off-the-shelf, lightweight, portable, fast filling station for field or home use.  The products we manufacture are very ruggedized.  In paintball, players will dive headfirst, feet first, through windows and doors, and the bottles and regulators take a beating.   They hold up very well in our sport and since you guys aren't diving, sliding, etc, I dont think you'll have any issues with our products holding up.  Also, our products come with a 1 year warranty and we fully support any person that purchases one of our products, regardless of where they are located (we sell internationally). 

If you have a pump capable of 4500psi fills, you can definitely use that to fill that 90ci/4500psi small carbon fiber bottle.   Ideal solution would probably be to get the cylinder filled at a local paintball store/field or dive center capable of 4500psi fills.  They usually cost about $5-$7 to fill a 90ci/4500psi bottle at those locations and with the calculations on a Marauder, you should be able to get roughly 6 fills.

[cherokeesteve]

Mods - please move this to the right section on this forum or please let me know where I should post this if this is the wrong section for this type of post.
UPDATED - includes picture.  Finally found out how to post one up on here 

Hi everyone.  My name's Rob and I work for a company called Ninja Paintball, a division of Pressure Specialist Inc located outside of Chicago, IL.  We are a machine shop that specializes in high pressure air products, mainly for the paintball industry.  We have been manufacturing products for several manufacturers in the AirGun industry over the last few years and have seen a need for a product that would give you guys a mobile, fast, safe, and  easy way to fill the air cylinders on your rifles and pistols.

Our company manufacturers a 90cubic inch bottle that is rated to hold 4500psi.  We would then install a regulator at the top of the bottle that would regulate the 4500psi inside the bottle down to say 3000psi or whatever output pressure you choose (ranging from 250psi on the low end all the way up to 3000psi currently).  You would then screw the regulator (attached to the bottle) into what we call our PCP Fill Station.  The PCP Fill Station device has a Universal Fill Adapter with an on/off know to allow the air to flow out of the bottle and regulator.  The air would travel into the Universal Fill Adapter, down a steel braided line and then into our fill device.  The fill device has a vent knob on the side to vent the air after you fill your cylinder and it also has a Quick Disconnect fitting you can use to attach the fitting on your cylinder or whatever fill adapter you need to make to have the device work with your fitting on your particular air cylinder.

Here's the total package including PCP Fill Station and 90ci/4500psi bottle.


We are on the verge of releasing the products and are waiting on the manuals to be finalized.  For just the PCP Fill Station, you are looking at a MSRP of $76.95.  The 90ci/4500psi bottle with custom output regulator (you designate the output pressure) should MSRP at $224.95.

The PCP Fill Station setup weights roughly 1 lb
The 90ci/4500psi Bottle with Regulator weighs roughly 3lbs 8oz.
That means you would have a mobile filling solution, capable of filling at a minimum of 2 full fills, that would weigh under 5 lbs.

We tested the system with a Benjamin Marauder Air Cylinder and here are our results:
We were able to get (2) full fills in the Benjamin Marauder Air Cylinder off of our 90ci/4500psi bottle and regulator.  What we did was empty the cylinder of all pressure.  Then filled the cylinder to the recommended pressure.   We then bled all of the air out of the cylinder, bring the pressure down to 0 again.  We then filled the cylinder all the way up to the recommended pressure again.  We bled the air a third time and on the third fill, we were able to get roughly 600psi in the cylinder.  We understand that you will fill the cylinders before it reaches zero but hopefully this data will help you determine how many fills you may be able to achieve at the pressure you refill at and the size of your cylinder.

All of our fittings, hoses, and products are properly rated for this application.  We are part of the ASTM sub-committee for paintball so we make sure to follow the safety recommendations which means our regulator will include (2) safety burst disks which we hold the patent on.

If anyone has any specific questions, please post in here.  I will do my best to keep an eye on this thread.  Again, it will be a few weeks or so before we're able to start selling these since we're waiting on our manual to be finalized but we're close.  I just wanted to post this to see what your guys' thoughts are on this solution.  Any feedback or recommendations you guys have would be greatly appreciated.

Put me down for fill station and bottle, hope the mauals are ready SOON. Looks exactly like what I need. I live just south of Joliet, work in Addison, CNC mill operator aerospace parts, if you were closer I'd ask about job oppurtunities. Please PM or email me when these are a done deal.

[NinjaPaintballRay]

Put me down for fill station and bottle, hope the mauals are ready SOON. Looks exactly like what I need. I live just south of Joliet, work in Addison, CNC mill operator aerospace parts, if you were closer I'd ask about job oppurtunities. Please PM or email me when these are a done deal.

Hey cherokeesteve.  Knowing that you live near the Joliet area, you can get 4500psi fills from CPX Sports, 7 Paintball, Fox Paintball, and a few others in your area.  As soon as we're ready, we'll let you guys know where you can purchase the systems.  Thanks and please let me know if you have any questions.

[GadgetX]

Hey ninga, what is the closest fill you know of to Destin Fl?

Mike

[NinjaPaintballRay]

Hey ninga, what is the closest fill you know of to Destin Fl?

Mike

Hey Mike.  Try this link out: http://www.ninjapaintball.com/dealers/

Most of our paintball customers have the ability to do 4500psi fills but I always recommend that you call them to verify before making the drive.

I know that The Coliseum Paintball in Pace, FL can do 4500psi fills and I have another customer Hwy 77 Paintball in Southport but Im not sure if she can do 4500psi fills.

MIKE!  I just called Hurlburt AFB, one of my other customers in your area.  They are 15 minutes from Destin, can fill to 4500psi, and since the field is on base property but not located within the gates, you dont need a sponsor or have to show any form of id to get a 4500psi fill from them

Here is another link to find paintball businesses.  A lot of these links are outdated so before anyone drives to one of these locations to get a fill, I highly recommend calling to verify they are still in business.

http://www.pbnation.com/fieldshow.php

[cherokeesteve]

Hey cherokeesteve.  Knowing that you live near the Joliet area, you can get 4500psi fills from CPX Sports, 7 Paintball, Fox Paintball, and a few others in your area.  As soon as we're ready, we'll let you guys know where you can purchase the systems.  Thanks and please let me know if you have any questions.
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Paint balled many a time at CPX.Not too far from me.

[NinjaPaintballRay]

We just debuted the product at paintball largest vendor and business owner tradeshow called Paintball Extravaganza.  It is amazing how many stores and fields have been getting calls regarding filling larger 4500psi SCBA and smaller 3000psi Scuba cylinders.  Once we let our customer base know about this solution, they said they are going to start pushing filling the cylinders for you guys and advertising it.   A majority have also stated that the number of calls and people stopping in for fills has increased quite a bit of the last 1-2 years.  Here is a video of our Sales Manager talking about the product at the show. 

[rsterne]

Hey Rob!.... I see you've reconfigured the fill station as per the suggestions on this Forum.... Congratulations on listening to your customers and the best of luck in selling the new product.... If I didn't have one already (that I made up a few years ago using a Ninja tank and reg.) I'd definitely be buying one.... It's just the ticket for topping up to 3000 psi in the field.... Now, might I suggest a 2000 psi version for all the Disco owners out there.... or maybe instructions on how to reduce the setpoint to that level by removing shims like you do with your 850 psi coil spring regulators....

Bob

[drewciferpike]

^ THIS!  +1

(Especially if it can be fine-tuned... some PCP owners have found that very exact fills will give their sweet spots: 2.7K, 2.2K, etc...)

[NinjaPaintballRay]

Hey Rob!.... I see you've reconfigured the fill station as per the suggestions on this Forum.... Congratulations on listening to your customers and the best of luck in selling the new product.... If I didn't have one already (that I made up a few years ago using a Ninja tank and reg.) I'd definitely be buying one.... It's just the ticket for topping up to 3000 psi in the field.... Now, might I suggest a 2000 psi version for all the Disco owners out there.... or maybe instructions on how to reduce the setpoint to that level by removing shims like you do with your 850 psi coil spring regulators....

Bob

To Bob and everyone else that has chimed in on this thread, THANK YOU!  I cant tell you how much we appreciate everyones input on helping us make a better product.  Also, wait until you see what we have in store for the 2nd version.  We're already working with our engineers and coming up with new features on the bleed valve such as a gauge to measure your output pressure as well as a MUCH SMALLER bleed valve system.  These features will not be released for about a year or so but please keep in mind we are continuously looking for ways to improve our products.

In regards to other output pressures, we can make anything you like up to 3000psi   If your gun's cylinder requires 2000psi, we have the ability to make it and the regulators can be ordered that way.  We will make any custom output regulator, up to 3000psi, but it must be ordered in increments of 1200, 1400, 1600, 1800, 2000, etc.  It could come with a swing of about 50-100 psi in either direction but we will get as close as possible to your desired output. 

What I think would be ideal is an externally adjustable regulator that can be adjusted from about 1200psi up to 3000psi.  This is something i'm pushing for but it is a long way out before we can devote the time and money in a project like that.

EDIT - Pyramyd Air will be accepting preorders on this system starting next week.  They can be reached at 888-262-4867 for pricing or product questions.  Please do not contact them until next Monday or Tuesday. 

^ THIS!  +1

(Especially if it can be fine-tuned... some PCP owners have found that very exact fills will give their sweet spots: 2.7K, 2.2K, etc...)

You would have to watch the gauge on your airgun if you want to only fill up to say 2.2k or 2.7k.  The regulator outputs at 3000psi but you'll need a way to read how much pressure your putting into the cylinder as you're filling.

[Leadpusher]

Are these only going to be available on the 90ci bottles?
I also went to lloyd sikes calculator site and from what he had at the bottom of the page 90ci = 16.2 cf
I then did a calculation of a 4500psi bottle then fill the airgun to 2900psi and refill at 2000 psi and it came out to 11 refils.
if those calculations are correct I would also like to see a 68ci bottle, which would give almost 9 refils and be somewhat lighter to carry.

[airpuffhunter]

Can this be ordered unassembled. so we can ship it by plane?

[rsterne]

The valve unscrews by hand from the top of the regulator, and I'm guessing that is the way it would be packed and shipped....

Bob

[NinjaPaintballRay]

Are these only going to be available on the 90ci bottles?
I also went to lloyd sikes calculator site and from what he had at the bottom of the page 90ci = 16.2 cf
I then did a calculation of a 4500psi bottle then fill the airgun to 2900psi and refill at 2000 psi and it came out to 11 refils.
if those calculations are correct I would also like to see a 68ci bottle, which would give almost 9 refils and be somewhat lighter to carry.

Hi Leadpusher.  They can be ordered on any Ninja bottle we offer.  Here are the different sizes available:

Aluminum Bottles only rated to hold a max pressure of 3000psi
13ci/3000psi
35ci/3000psi
48ci/3000psi
62ci/3000psi

Carbon fiber bottles rated to hold a max pressure of 4500psi
45ci/4500psi
50ci/4500psi
68ci/4500psi
77ci/4500psi
90ci/4500psi

We will allow you to purchase any of these different size cylinders with your choice of output pressure on the regulator going all the way up to 3000psi.  Regulators must be ordered with pressures in even number increments as stated above.

Guys - If you have a large bulk cylinder that accepts a CGA-677 fitting or even a large SCBA bottle with a valve that accepts a CGA-357, you could hypothetically attach our High Pressure Fill Station ($350 retail) and attach it to the larger bottles to act as a regulator for those as well.  The High Pressure Fill Station can be regulated between 500psi and 5000psi max.

Can this be ordered unassembled. so we can ship it by plane?

We deal with this in paintball when flying to events.  TSA needs to be able to inspect inside of the cylinder before you can fly with it on a plane.  To answer your question, yes.   We do this in paintball and can do the same for you guys.  If you order a system, you can order it with the regulator HAND TIGHTENED only or NOT INSTALLED.  It will be easier to unscrew the regulator from the cylinder and when re-installing it back in the bottle, you have to make sure that you have no gap between the bottom of the reg body and the top of the cylinders neck.

The valve unscrews by hand from the top of the regulator, and I'm guessing that is the way it would be packed and shipped....

Bob

When we install a regulator at our factory, we install it with a minimum of 40ft lbs of torque and we also add 1/2 of a measured drop of red loctite to help slow down the removal process, not stop it entirely.  We do have a tool I can post pictures of that allows us to easily install and remove regulators by fitting over the top of the regulator like a socket and use the fittings (gauge threads, burst disks, fill nipple) as leverage to loosen the regulator enough to remove it.  Let me know if you would like some pictures.  You guys are more than welcome to make something based off of our regulator removal tool's design.

[drewciferpike]

Let me know if you would like some pictures.  You guys are more than welcome to make something based off of our regulator removal tool's design.

Please!

[rsterne]

^X2.... and thanks !!!

It is a breath of fresh air to have a manufacturer so willing to mix and match components to supply what we airgunners want.... No more having to "wish" for a particular combination....  Do you sell direct, of do we have to purchase through a dealer, and deal with addditional delays and "I don't think I can get that" because they can't be bothered?....

Bob

[NinjaPaintballRay]

Let me know if you would like some pictures.  You guys are more than welcome to make something based off of our regulator removal tool's design.

Please!

Here you go

^X2.... and thanks !!!

It is a breath of fresh air to have a manufacturer so willing to mix and match components to supply what we airgunners want.... No more having to "wish" for a particular combination....  Do you sell direct, of do we have to purchase through a dealer, and deal with addditional delays and "I don't think I can get that" because they can't be bothered?....

Bob

Great question, Bob.  We generally don't want to sell direct to people.  Its our way of getting end users to support either their local store or the other resellers or internet sites out there.  As long as we keep these guys in business, it gives us more choices on places to purchase from and helps grow the industry.

With that being said, we understand that with this being a newer product and not readily available, if someone wants something custom that a reseller is unable to assist you with, we will be able to help you guys direct. 

[drewciferpike]

much appreciated

[rsterne]

Excellent solution, and many thanks, Rob....

BTW, I like the regulator installing/removal tool.... thanks for sharing....

Bob

[NinjaPaintballRay]

Glad to help guys. 

I dont remember if i've made this link available but this will have a majority of our paintball fields and stores contact information.  Since most of these businesses fill to 4500psi, I thought it might be a handy tool for you guys to use to search for local paintball business in case you buy this solution or have a 4500psi bottle that you would like filled.

As always, we recommend calling the business to make sure they are capable of filling to 4500psi.

http://www.ninjapaintball.com/dealers/