Crosman doomsday bugout kit

[7624452]

I have lost interest in killing and I am too old to care if the world lasts forever, but I still like to play with air guns.

[ten.ring]

BRAVO !
SPRINGERMAN!!!
we have every reason to believe there will be more and more restrictions on firearms. for example in the 1960's they required the auto industry to put seat belts in autos. i remember the public service adds on tv asuring us they would never pass a law requiring us to ware them.   no one is promising us they are done restricting firearms.

the pellet guns are our last refuge as far as arms go. i personally don't figure the myans had any special knowlege. but there are lots of other reasons to put airguns in our back-up plan.

mark

[Dead nuts dog]

If they chafed the plastic bottle for a stainless steel bottle, then added a space blanket, and a firesteel it would be a better set up while calling it a BUG OUT Bag. As it is you could drink some un-boiled water and shoot at the targets while waiting to die

[lillysdad621]

its funny... I think that i was cooler than crosman for a little while... I have a 1377 with a breech and a 13 inch .22 barrel with a mild port job and a heavy spring shooting 510 with crosman prems (14.3) at 12 pumps... it has a small 2.5 inch "still air chamber" attached to the muzzle to "protect the crown" and it is a quiet little rifle... It lives in a little green back pack with a  folder, a pepsi can stove and 5 fuels... 2 plastic water bottles and a roll of water purification tabs. 1 pair of socks and a wool blanket. The rifle wears open sights and a little 4x scope zeroed at 20 yards... i guess when i was camping out and cooking squirrel with minimal ingredients i was "bugging out"... wow.

By the way... it IS a 1322... with a longer barrel. I appreciate the 1322 return... but the backpacker??? I think that for the price i rather order a 1322 with a metal breech and a MIM sight... and i think a lot of people will find that set up more useful.

[squallywally]

Yep, the backpacker is a member of the 13xx family.
I agree a steel breech makes 1322/1377 an excellent gun.
The steel breech will do the same for the 2289.
But have you pumped a backpacker? That forearm is the best.
Add that forearm to any 13xx and now it becomes the backpacker.
Oh and add the skeleton stock.
Along with the steel breech, all my pampers get the backpacker forearm.

I bought the bugout to support crosman in bringing it back which means the forearms and quick detach stocks will continue to be available as parts.
The four Pc77s, two 1377c, one 1322 I own have been turned into carbines with the backpacker forearm.
I also own 4 backpackers, 1 - 1389, 1 - stock 2289G, 2 - custom 2289Gs.
Did I mention I am crazy about these guns?

[squallywally]

I was thinking that this model would make for a better "Back-Packer" type of a/g, The 1322 w/ a Crosman steel breech and 1399 shoulder stock, and lastly a flat-top piston and a decent scope(mine's got a 3-12 x 40 AO), and the power is just a little less than my 2289 set-up, w/ 13.59 fpe using a 15.9gr Jumbo Straton @ 620fps, I think that the 2289 produces more fps is due to the 24" barrel, as opposed to the 1322's considerably shorter barrel, but if you got your sights on a squirrel that's rustling around below your treestand, I don't think it'll make much of a difference. One thing I really don't like about the 1322 is the lack of being able to add a longer barrel, the 1322's barrel band prevents you from modding the barrel as the original 1322 barrel has been recessed at the top, or I would of switched up to the 24" a long time ago, but as I said, I don't think the difference should affect the outcome. Cheer's, Andy.

Hey Andy, you can change the barrel on the 1322. A. Get a 2289G barrel band from crosman, less than $4. Or if you are careful you can drill out the original barrel band to 7/16.

[David McAfee]

The logic is that airguns are not firearms under Federal law and that if, in the future, laws were changed to ban all firearms and ammunition, along with confiscating them, you would still have a way to feed yourself in a world gone upside-down.

I'd get as many spare parts for it as I could, also.

If the Federal Government ever tried to ban firearms, it would lead to another civil war. Every person who owned a gun and was passionate about keeping it would take up arms. We're talking about an actual, honest-to-goodness scenario where many people would grab their guns and run. Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?

Aside from the gun issue, the kit is pretty pedestrian at best, and is comprised of items most of us already have in our homes. Basically, it is just a chance for Crosman to sell us things we already have. On top of that, what IS there is not nearly enough. You still need things like fishing line, matches, a good knife, etc.

I'm not saying the kit wouldn't have its uses. I was merely stating that it's not, by any means, a suitablly supplied "bugout" kit.

[bowhunt]

I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.

I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.

The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.

I read that you can order as long as it is under .18 no limit fps.

That is also true.

[bowhunt]

Thanks to Bowhunt, I called Pyramyd air to change my shipping address for the backpacker kit and to my surprise it was just in time, they are shipping in the morning, Wednesday 26th.

Glad it worked out Bert! Yes the law has been changed. Larger than .18 cal still has to be 700 fps or less. No velocity restriction on smaller than .18 cal.

[David McAfee]

the pellet guns are our last refuge as far as arms go. i personally don't figure the myans had any special knowlege. but there are lots of other reasons to put airguns in our back-up plan.

mark

Sheesh. You make it sound like I don't like airguns or think they are useful, which is far, far from the truth. I never said it was pointless to have an airgun. Or a Grab-N-Go kit. I have several airguns, and I love them. I already know which ones would come with me in a Grab-Your-S***-And-Run scenario. (The Benji 397 is #1 on that list for the sheer reason that, as a pumper, I would never run out of air with it.)

All I said was that this particular "bugout kit" does not appeal to me for reasons I've already stated and don't feel like retyping. In my opinion, this kit is a marketing gimmick Crosman is utilizing based on the American People's disenchantment with the government and overall paranoia. (And if you don't believe the American People are paranoid, please look back on the last 13 years and count the number of times people have braced for "doomsday," be it SARS, Y2K, The Mayan Calendar, Bird Flu, etc.) Crosman is in the business of selling things, so kudos to them for capitalizing on a nice opportunity.

I will not buy one. If you want to buy one, please do. I hope you enjoy the heck out of it. I also hope you never have to use it for it's intended purpose.

Me? I'm covered.

[lillysdad621]

I agree. And to come out and say is not a 1322... as if it was better than a 1322... I also agree that having an airgun on Doomsday scenarios is not an advantage if a firearm is available. It has a limited scope of use and anything an airgun can do for you then would be also covered with a .22 rifle/pistol and a decent selection of rounds (cb shorts, sss snipers, cci mini mags round solids...). they can be quiet, slow, fast, fragmenting and most certainly an advantage. Now it is comfortable to have an airgun so you may save on ammo... leave a smaller auditive footprint (a gunshot is a gunshot... an airgun shot could be a staplegun...)
Dont get me wrong... i love my airguns way more than my firearms, but i wont chance it when it comes to my family depending on something to fill their tummies, and in a worst case scenario, defend them (I know, a .22 is not a defensive round... But is better than an airgun on that respect. Also check out those guys shooting metal plates at lighting speeds... no one wants to get hit by a bullet, or three, so it can give your loved ones some "run away and hide " time...)
in the blog "survivalblog" there was a story of a guy depending on a 2100 and BBs to put food on the table during some hard times... it was also posted here i think... I printed that article and put it amongst other "important" papers in my travel bible... it is humbilng and it always reminds me of their capabilities. Its ok for crosman to market them in any fashion they want... But lets call it what it is...

[squallywally]

I don't believe the end of the world will be a long drawn out affair with walking dead people wandering the earth trying to eat my flesh. Nor do I believe there will be rampant chaotic lawlessness. I plan on eating like I do now, if doomsday comes and kills all the cows, pigs and chickens, do you really think the rabbits, squirrels, and other game will be around? Will the earth be so contaminated that we can't grow vegetables? If so how will we make it through? Do I need to worry that my neighbors and friends of many years will want to kill me to get my rabbit stew? Why would they if i make enough for everybody. If it is going to be that bad, I don't want to survive, I will stick to my plan of being raptured before doomsday gets here.

I do think it is wise to have a "bugout" bag but only for personal tragedy ie. house burns down, tornado/hurricane, wild fire, flood etc. you know typical natural disaster. The best thing to have in it, cash.
I do not have any sort of gun in that disaster bugout bag.

I for one did not buy this kit to survive, I bought it for the gun.  I wish they didn't include all of this distracting stuff and put a cheaper price on the gun.

[SpringerMan]

If the Federal Government ever tried to ban firearms, it would lead to another civil war. Every person who owned a gun and was passionate about keeping it would take up arms. We're talking about an actual, honest-to-goodness scenario where many people would grab their guns and run. Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?

O course, if you were evacuated from your home for your own safety in a time of social unrest, you would not be permitted to bring firearms with you.

While you are in the FEMA camp, they thoroughly search your home and confiscate your weapons to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

Naturally, any firearms with a paper trail would be the easiest to locate, along with their owners. Even, if they can't find the weapons, they still have you until you voluntarily give them up !

[7624452]

Mine is shipping today.  That's a lot better than their 5 October prediction.  I think the price is reasonable.  It is only $40 more than a 1322 and you get the quick-detach stock, better pump handle, 12" barrel and a tube marked "2289 Backpacker".  The "doomsday" marketing does not matter - it's the price that caused me to purchase it.  Now maybe 2289 parts will be available again.

[squallywally]

Mine is shipping today.  That's a lot better than their 5 October prediction.  I think the price is reasonable.  It is only $40 more than a 1322 and you get the quick-detach stock, better pump handle, 12" barrel and a tube marked "2289 Backpacker".  The "doomsday" marketing does not matter - it's the price that caused me to purchase it.  Now maybe 2289 parts will be available again.

Right on!

[oleman]

 The idea is to bug out before the govt comes.      Right now the only paper trail is the background check you fill out when you purchase a gun - which does not give make, mode or cal - only that it is a long gun or handgun (at least at my local Academy). You could have sold them a local gun show or they could have been stolen.    Like some I am thinking of getting one for the gun only - but would shoot the pellets into the targets and put something like a coffee bottle in the backpack for early mornings on the deer stand. I think everyone knows that this is just a marketing ploy and not a true bugout bag - the appeal is the gun.       

[David McAfee]

O course, if you were evacuated from your home for your own safety in a time of social unrest, you would not be permitted to bring firearms with you.

While you are in the FEMA camp, they thoroughly search your home and confiscate your weapons to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

Naturally, any firearms with a paper trail would be the easiest to locate, along with their owners. Even, if they can't find the weapons, they still have you until you voluntarily give them up !

I see. So, in this hypothetical example, the US government would send troops to evacuate over 100 million American homes. (They would have to do this all at once in order to maintain the secrecy of their true mission, which is, of course, to steal our guns.) Said troops would then basically break into these 100+ million homes and thoroughly search them for any firearms, registered or otherwise, and then proceed to confiscate any that they found before allowing Americans to return to their homes. Afterward, they would visit every gun store, pawn shop, and sporting goods store (including the sporting goods departments of stores like Wal Mart, etc.) in the country and confiscate every gun in their inventory, as well. And, of course, these troops would leave all our airguns behind because the military of this country certainly would not consider an airgun dangerous. I can see that conversation already:

Private: Sarge, what about this gun?

Sarge: Nah, that's just a .357 Sam Yang air rifle. Leave that behind. It ain't dangerous.

Private: You sure, Sarge? These slugs look pretty big.

Sarge: You have your orders, private!

Aside from the manpower issues involved (The US government simply does not have enough troops to pull something like this off, especially not all at once.), the logistics are so far fetched as to be the stuff of sci-fi movies. Where, exactly, would the government shuttle 350 million citizens while their homes are searched? Where would they put us? How would they feed us? How would they govern us? Remember, all 2,000,000 or so US soldiers are out ransacking our homes, including the over 1,000,000 currently stationed overseas, who were, of course, brought back for this mission. So who would control the crowded, fearful, and overly anxious people that were stuck in these FEMA camps, which would have to be located in some sort of alternate universe just to have enough room to physically store us?

[David McAfee]

I think everyone knows that this is just a marketing ploy and not a true bugout bag - the appeal is the gun.       

Fair enough. This is me shutting up now.

[lillysdad621]

amen. And in case of a government take over, i think we forget that the soldiers that would be oppressing the population are part of us... and i remember that I was only under oath to obey "lawful" orders... The constitution that i swore an oath to ensured that we can all "bear arms"...  That order would be my cue to "go home, and protect my country"...

[SpringerMan]

I see. So, in this hypothetical example, the US government would send troops to evacuate over 100 million American homes. (They would have to do this all at once in order to maintain the secrecy of their true mission, which is, of course, to steal our guns.) Said troops would then basically break into these 100+ million homes and thoroughly search them for any firearms, registered or otherwise, and then proceed to confiscate any that they found before allowing Americans to return to their homes. Afterward, they would visit every gun store, pawn shop, and sporting goods store (including the sporting goods departments of stores like Wal Mart, etc.) in the country and confiscate every gun in their inventory, as well. And, of course, these troops would leave all our airguns behind because the military of this country certainly would not consider an airgun dangerous. I can see that conversation already:

Private: Sarge, what about this gun?

Sarge: Nah, that's just a .357 Sam Yang air rifle. Leave that behind. It ain't dangerous.

Private: You sure, Sarge? These slugs look pretty big.

Sarge: You have your orders, private!

Aside from the manpower issues involved (The US government simply does not have enough troops to pull something like this off, especially not all at once.), the logistics are so far fetched as to be the stuff of sci-fi movies. Where, exactly, would the government shuttle 350 million citizens while their homes are searched? Where would they put us? How would they feed us? How would they govern us? Remember, all 2,000,000 or so US soldiers are out ransacking our homes, including the over 1,000,000 currently stationed overseas, who were, of course, brought back for this mission. So who would control the crowded, fearful, and overly anxious people that were stuck in these FEMA camps, which would have to be located in some sort of alternate universe just to have enough room to physically store us?

This is getting way too far off the original topic .

I'll leave you with this - Google "Infraguard".