Crosman doomsday bugout kit

[2nd RCHA]

What I found very strange, Is that they dis-continued the 2289 BackPacker up here, and all of a sudden it's being sold stateside  under a "Zombie" gimmick, One thing I did notice, is that the barrel seems a little smaller, although it could be me, after I got mine a few yrs back I immediately had it modded,w/ a Crosman Breech, Bleeder plugged, and I switched up to a 24" barrel equipped with one of "Larry's" 16 hole Delrin brakes,,,,very sweet shooter now, w/ a decent m/v of 650fps w/ Jumbo Straton's., I actually brought it out with me & my dog today for a little grouse huntin', No luck, but at-least I burned the dog out, Slept like a pup all the way home. , Andy.

[.22 Varmint]

The item for sale on PA does not have the steel breach. That means the not so good standard Crosman sight.
Darrell

It looks like PA is going to be carrying the steel breeches too. If I bought one of these backpackers I might not even shoot it with out installing a steel breech first. I was never a fan of the plastic breech.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-177-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-1377-1740-1760-pc77-air-guns?a=4386

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387

Andrew

[BerkshireHunter]

I think this is great news. I don't know how Crosman will be able to keep things in stock though, they couldn't even have regular breech inventories selling just on their site.

[ten.ring]

i hope this is a sign that crosman is whatching the forums, and is going to do more things like this. maybe 13xx -22xx with steel breaches. i would love to see a return of a pumper long gun built in the spirit if the 13xx's about 17fpe. with lots of room for mod's

mark

[David McAfee]

I must be missing something, because I don't see the appeal of this at all.

What could you hunt with the gun? Looks like about 7.3 fpe at the muzzle...and that's if it can do the advertised 480 fps with a 14.3 gr CPHP. I guess that would work for squirrels and maybe rabbits. Anything else? Is it possible to tune the gun for better performance?

Also, how accurate would it be? As a single-shot pumper, you probably won't get a follow up shot, so that first one has to be perfect.

The only reason I ask is because I already have a semiauto .22 LR pistol and over 500 rounds sitting on a shelf in my closet. They could be stuffed into my backpack in about 2 seconds if I had to leave in a hurry. Or, if I was that concerned about prep work, I could put them into a backpack now, along with everything else in the Crosman kit, which seems to be comprised of things I already have lying around the house. (Gun, rounds, first aid kit, water bottle, targets, etc.) The 40gr .22 LR rounds don't take up much space, but pack a lot more energy. (139.9 fpe at the muzzle* instead of 7.3) So what would make this kit a better choice for survival scenarios?

About the only advantage I can see is that the Crosman would be quieter. But that's only if someone hasn't modified the .22 LR (I haven't, btw) to make it quiet.

Not trying to sound confrontational, here. I love my airguns, and I know what the typical advantages are, I just don't see how this particular kit and airgun would be better than my current setup in an emergency Get-The-Heck-Out-Of-Dodge situation. Admittedly, I'm a relative noob to this sort of thinking, so forgive me if there is something I have not thought of.

*139.9 fpe figure based on 40 gr slug traveling at 1,255 fps

[2nd RCHA]

In response to the previous post,,YES, It's very tunable, I transformed my 2289 into a very nice, accurate, and powerful shooter, that's a joy to shoot, and being so light, you can carry this shooter all day long w/out busting a nut. Mine produces a respectable 14.9 ft/lbs w/ a 15.9gr Jumbo Straton(It's favourite pellet) w/ a decent m/v of 650fps, and w/ 9gr Crosman SSP's you can easily add another 20% in the velocity dept,. w/ great accuracy well up to 40yds. Flat-Top Piston kit's are easily available and are not very expensive http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194 , which is also good for the Crosman 1322C. Also with the flat-top piston, there's no need to plug the bleeder as the kit comes complete.Add an 18"-24" barrel, an Airgun Artisan muzzle brake, a decent scope, and you've got yourself nice piece of kit that'll bring down any small game you can get your sights on. Also, it makes for a nice target pistol(w/ a Crosman/Crooked Barn steel/aluminum breech, 2240 grips & a Williams rear notch sight). All in all, this shooter is truly what you make of it. Cheer's, Andy.

[David McAfee]

Very  nice. How quickly/easily does the gun break down?

[squallywally]

I must be missing something, because I don't see the appeal of this at all.

What could you hunt with the gun? Looks like about 7.3 fpe at the muzzle...and that's if it can do the advertised 480 fps with a 14.3 gr CPHP. I guess that would work for squirrels and maybe rabbits. Anything else? Is it possible to tune the gun for better performance?

Also, how accurate would it be? As a single-shot pumper, you probably won't get a follow up shot, so that first one has to be perfect.

The only reason I ask is because I already have a semiauto .22 LR pistol and over 500 rounds sitting on a shelf in my closet. They could be stuffed into my backpack in about 2 seconds if I had to leave in a hurry. Or, if I was that concerned about prep work, I could put them into a backpack now, along with everything else in the Crosman kit, which seems to be comprised of things I already have lying around the house. (Gun, rounds, first aid kit, water bottle, targets, etc.) The 40gr .22 LR rounds don't take up much space, but pack a lot more energy. (139.9 fpe at the muzzle* instead of 7.3) So what would make this kit a better choice for survival scenarios?

About the only advantage I can see is that the Crosman would be quieter. But that's only if someone hasn't modified the .22 LR (I haven't, btw) to make it quiet.

Not trying to sound confrontational, here. I love my airguns, and I know what the typical advantages are, I just don't see how this particular kit and airgun would be better than my current setup in an emergency Get-The-Heck-Out-Of-Dodge situation. Admittedly, I'm a relative noob to this sort of thinking, so forgive me if there is something I have not thought of.

*139.9 fpe figure based on 40 gr slug traveling at 1,255 fps

For me,the excitement is the rerelease of the backpacker gun with the pumper forearm.
This gun is very accurate I have 3 backpackers from the past with an 18", 14.5", and 10.5" barrels and they are tack drivers. I don't use them for hunting nor would I use this one.
The way i take The "bugout bag" stuff is just a marketing gig playing on the quick take down , stuff it into a backpack concept of the original gun and the current dec21,2012 doomsday hype, "lets sell some guns gimmick"
None of the included bugout gear look to me like the stuff you would actually want  in an catastrophe survival kit.
As far as the gun goes, it's a fun gun to shoot and mod and the pumper forearm is a great addition to a crosman 1377 pistol and it has been unavailable for a while. Google custom 1377 or 2289 and you will see the appeal of this gun.
As far as takedown, it breaks down as fast as you can push a spring loaded button.
That is my 2pennies and some change.

[one_shot]

Ive been eyeballing this back packer,not for the bug out gig....i have a pc77 that i been wanting to make a back packer.
My pc is all stock.
Before i dump $100 into the new back packer....would i be better off buying the stock,and .22 conversion for my pc,or buying this back packer.
If i upgrade the pc,i can always swap barrels for both calibers.
If i go the back packer....ill eventually mod my pc,i dont really shoot it...im a rifle kinda guy.
I even considered another m4-177 for a back packer.
What to do....man is faced with lifes most difficult decissions...lol.

[BerkshireHunter]

Ive been eyeballing this back packer,not for the bug out gig....i have a pc77 that i been wanting to make a back packer.
My pc is all stock.
Before i dump $100 into the new back packer....would i be better off buying the stock,and .22 conversion for my pc,or buying this back packer.
If i upgrade the pc,i can always swap barrels for both calibers.
If i go the back packer....ill eventually mod my pc,i dont really shoot it...im a rifle kinda guy.
I even considered another m4-177 for a back packer.
What to do....man is faced with lifes most difficult decissions...lol.

It depends. You can call Crosman customer service with part numbers and get the Stock for $10, a 10" or 14.5" barrel in .22 cal for about $11, and the quick take off pin and spring for maybe $4. (those look like part #s 1322-017 & 1389A006)  http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/crosman/2289/C2289-EVP.pdf With a longer barrel you'll need the backpacker barrel band and screw also (maybe $4 for the two.)
The backpacker pump arm will likely take a while to get back in to the rotation for ordering -but a pumpmaster 760 forearm will fit and be a bit more comfortable with little modification (the old boxy styled one.) Crosman has $4 shipping for however much you want to order excluding steel breech.  I would recommend the steel breech, it costs more, but even the Pyramyd backpacker doesn't come with it.

Parsing it out may be the way to go if you're handy and can take it apart.  Hope that helps.

[squallywally]

I would say bugout kit is a deal.
If you convert your own:
Stock $10
Forearm $10
Barrel $12
.22 bolt $4
Stock detent pin $1.15
Stock detent pin spring $1.15
If you want the tube to say backpacker.  $9
Barrel band $4 with screw
$4 shipping
The cost of your PC77 $50 - $60.
That's around $100 conservatively.

With the Bugout out you have a bag, bottle to possibly sell for a few bucks or use, some band aids to use around the house,a few targets to shoot up, and some pellets to throw down range. And that leaves your pc77 to turn into another cool custom.

Or sell off your pc77 bag, bottle, first aid kit, targets and pellets, and put the money into the backpacker ie steel breech etc. etc. etc.

[VAFarmer]

looks cool.

I have one for backpacking, but it is still  work in progress.

Its a 1377 with a steel breech and bbl in .22.  Has an extended probe and a flat-top setup.  Produces 10ft lbs with 15 pumps.......this is a big issue fellas.  They can all produce big fpe with pellet combo and a spring swap, but still needs beacoup pumping, like 25-30 pumps.

Spend the money and get a flat top setup.   This will not make the gun max out higher than a stock model (well, not TOO much more anyway) ---but WILL get you to rifle power levels with LESS pumps.   
Im all for a 15 ftlb pistol, but dont want to pump 40 times to do it......Id rather pick up a steroid benji and get 21 ftlbs for 13 pumps.

My personal version will have a different stock setup in the end.   Thinking of a tippman adaptor, or a wirestock adaptor.    this will keep the pistol ~18 inches in length, and then we can pack the stock in separately, so it fits in a much smaller package..

neat idea for crosman, and certainly a money maker .......

God bless,

Farmer

[bowhunt]

Great gun and accessories...but silliest marketing I've ever heard.

[bowhunt]

I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.

I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.

The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.

[2nd RCHA]

I was thinking that this model would make for a better "Back-Packer" type of a/g, The 1322 w/ a Crosman steel breech and 1399 shoulder stock, and lastly a flat-top piston and a decent scope(mine's got a 3-12 x 40 AO), and the power is just a little less than my 2289 set-up, w/ 13.59 fpe using a 15.9gr Jumbo Straton @ 620fps, I think that the 2289 produces more fps is due to the 24" barrel, as opposed to the 1322's considerably shorter barrel, but if you got your sights on a squirrel that's rustling around below your treestand, I don't think it'll make much of a difference. One thing I really don't like about the 1322 is the lack of being able to add a longer barrel, the 1322's barrel band prevents you from modding the barrel as the original 1322 barrel has been recessed at the top, or I would of switched up to the 24" a long time ago, but as I said, I don't think the difference should affect the outcome. Cheer's, Andy.

[squallywally]

I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.

I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.

The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.

I read that you can order as long as it is under .18 no limit fps.

[squallywally]

Thanks a ton Bowhunt on the heads up on the restriction.
The email I got had no mention of the .22 restriction so I assumed that it was still restricted.
Thank you again for bringing that to my attention.
Bert.

[squallywally]

Thanks to Bowhunt, I called Pyramyd air to change my shipping address for the backpacker kit and to my surprise it was just in time, they are shipping in the morning, Wednesday 26th.

[SpringerMan]

I hope this is a sign that crosman is watching the forums.

I think they have been watching Glenn Beck and finally see the need for something like this.

[SpringerMan]

I must be missing something, because I don't see the appeal of this at all.

The only reason I ask is because I already have a semiauto .22 LR pistol and over 500 rounds sitting on a shelf in my closet.

So what would make this kit a better choice for survival scenarios?

Not trying to sound confrontational, here. I love my airguns, and I know what the typical advantages are, I just don't see how this particular kit and airgun would be better than my current setup in an emergency Get-The-Heck-Out-Of-Dodge situation.

The logic is that airguns are not firearms under Federal law and that if, in the future, laws were changed to ban all firearms and ammunition, along with confiscating them, you would still have a way to feed yourself in a world gone upside-down.

I'd get as many spare parts for it as I could, also.