If the triggers screws are intentional, then why does Hatsan not include an extra "correct" set eh? Because its a factory design, and they advertise it as being "match grade".
no different if you bought a car and you were into cars and you saw the potential in that car even beyond its specs and you souped it up, because you could, because the design was that good, ready to be made even better
Quote from: Mike 4888blues on April 18, 2012, 01:48:25 AM no different if you bought a car and you were into cars and you saw the potential in that car even beyond its specs and you souped it up, because you could, because the design was that good, ready to be made even better[/When it comes to cars, for me at least, "stock" is a "dirty word" . . . In my younger years, I was a Street Drag Racer . . . The stories I could tell . . . Don't get me started.My motto was "anything gaining on you is the Cops" . . . LOL !DaveI guess I wont have to mention the beautiful 1968 / 1969Chevrolet Chevelle SS396 Hardtop Coupe That was a car wheww/ my friend in my school days had one, it was loaded with the best they offered it with, he wrapped it around a telephone poll from drag racing, it got away from him, his life was spared ,his Chevelle was totaled, the girl in the car at the time never spoke to him again lol the telephone polls looked like tall fence pickets going by lol
no different if you bought a car and you were into cars and you saw the potential in that car even beyond its specs and you souped it up, because you could, because the design was that good, ready to be made even better[/When it comes to cars, for me at least, "stock" is a "dirty word" . . . In my younger years, I was a Street Drag Racer . . . The stories I could tell . . . Don't get me started.My motto was "anything gaining on you is the Cops" . . . LOL !Dave
First thing I did to my 74 z28 was put headers on her........... same with airgunners, the hottroders rule !!
Quote from: z28rod on April 18, 2012, 02:03:57 AMFirst thing I did to my 74 z28 was put headers on her........... same with airgunners, the hottroders rule !! Hi Brent . the moller company deducted the 5 gas rams from my account so I am believing they shipped, i have the delrin coming to for making the parts for the ram, i just need to drive to the steel supply for some steel i had in mind for the piston.
" i just need to drive to the steel supply for some steel i had in mind for the piston." would lite weight be a helpful thing here ? iam just guessing? chrome molly ??
Quote from: Mike 4888blues on April 18, 2012, 03:58:54 AMQuote from: z28rod on April 18, 2012, 02:03:57 AMFirst thing I did to my 74 z28 was put headers on her........... same with airgunners, the hottroders rule !! Hi Brent . the moller company deducted the 5 gas rams from my account so I am believing they shipped, i have the delrin coming to for making the parts for the ram, i just need to drive to the steel supply for some steel i had in mind for the piston.Mike how much are they? I really want to get my WFH .25 gas rammed now...
Quote from: Lambchops on April 18, 2012, 04:02:27 AMQuote from: Mike 4888blues on April 18, 2012, 03:58:54 AMQuote from: z28rod on April 18, 2012, 02:03:57 AMFirst thing I did to my 74 z28 was put headers on her........... same with airgunners, the hottroders rule !! Hi Brent . the moller company deducted the 5 gas rams from my account so I am believing they shipped, i have the delrin coming to for making the parts for the ram, i just need to drive to the steel supply for some steel i had in mind for the piston.Mike how much are they? I really want to get my WFH .25 gas rammed now... lam chops you can trust me , I am a honest straight forward good person. lets see how my wfh fairs, then we will know how Dave tarheel our wonderful engineers hard work and gas ram explorations pays off. We are believing the results will be good proper power and good for the design of the rifles intergerty . I can email you the order sheet I received from moller if you want to see the quote i got with the price
Air gunners should be able to see thru the good ,and the bad, and understand the difference of what there looking at not just condemn something.see what they are looking at, ''its true potential what it is they have before them.they usually don't condemn because of some factory issues in general, because they usually have the ability to understand what goes on in production and are able to understand that it does indeed happen , even to the best made German riflesif you get a hatsan and you don't get the fps it says, then in general most air gunners will know what or how to remedy and find the problem, that's what we do that's what we are all about we are also capable of understanding obviously if a hatsan is not getting the fps as stated then its not in the over all design, we know the design will get you what they stated, it just means there's a issue some where most likely a seal. that's the air rifle industry it happens oh but not you Paul, for you everything has to be perfect out of the box you cant see there's humans involved, or typical issues that are bound to come along on some rifles from the factory. And if that's your nature then you are welcome to it buddy, enjoy your keen, sharp out look and tight quartered analysis you are entitled to be who and how you are.
Quote from: Mike 4888blues on April 18, 2012, 01:48:25 AM no different if you bought a car and you were into cars and you saw the potential in that car even beyond its specs and you souped it up, because you could, because the design was that good, ready to be made even betterWhen it comes to cars, for me at least, "stock" is a "dirty word" . . . In my younger years, I was a Street Drag Racer . . . The stories I could tell . . . Don't get me started.My motto was "anything gaining on you is the Cops" . . . LOL !Dave
Quote from: Mike 4888blues on April 18, 2012, 02:08:15 AM Air gunners should be able to see thru the good ,and the bad, and understand the difference of what there looking at not just condemn something.see what they are looking at, ''its true potential what it is they have before them.they usually don't condemn because of some factory issues in general, because they usually have the ability to understand what goes on in production and are able to understand that it does indeed happen , even to the best made German riflesif you get a hatsan and you don't get the fps it says, then in general most air gunners will know what or how to remedy and find the problem, that's what we do that's what we are all about we are also capable of understanding obviously if a hatsan is not getting the fps as stated then its not in the over all design, we know the design will get you what they stated, it just means there's a issue some where most likely a seal. that's the air rifle industry it happens oh but not you Paul, for you everything has to be perfect out of the box you cant see there's humans involved, or typical issues that are bound to come along on some rifles from the factory. And if that's your nature then you are welcome to it buddy, enjoy your keen, sharp out look and tight quartered analysis you are entitled to be who and how you are. This is really getting just plain silly."Air gunners should be able to see thru the good ,and the bad, and understand the difference of what there looking at not just condemn something."Yes I agree, and they should be able to accept whether they like it or not that their favorite brand has problems."see what they are looking at, ''its true potential what it is they have before them.they usually don't condemn because of some factory issues in general, because they usually have the ability to understand what goes on in production and are able to understand that it does indeed happen , even to the best made German rifles"I see, then the next time anyone even thinks to complain about a Crosman because of all their issues and say they will not buy them anymore, guess they should just forget it all because they have "potential" eh? It's the buyers fault for not being willing to fix their new out of the box product in order to get it to look and perform as advertised. I guess we should just buy our airguns, and expect to pay our money and play the luck of the draw and be glad if it spits out a pellet, despite looking like junk or not performing as advertised. Silly me, I thought we cared about quality here. I didn't realize purchasing an airgun was actually a lottery "if you get a hatsan and you don't get the fps it says, then in general most air gunners will know what or how to remedy and find the problem, that's what we do that's what we are all about "#1, You should not have to "remedy" anything. We already accept that airguns rarely meet the manufacturers inflated FPS ratings. That is enough tolerance as is. An airgun should at the least meet the minimum standards of quality and reliability as advertised by the manufacturer.#2. No, "most" airgunners do not know how to find or remedy a problem. Most airgunners are not interested in replacing seals, tuning, or fixing issues. They buy an air gun and expect it to work, and when it doesnt they send it back. Those who engage in the modifying and tuning represent a minority."oh but not you Paul, for you everything has to be perfect out of the box"LOL. Nope, it just has to perform as advertised, at least mechanically, and not look like something that came out of a high school metal shop class."you cant see there's humans involved, or typical issues that are bound to come along on some rifles from the factory."Nope. What I see are a bunch of issues that have the potential to become a bigger problem if over time they manifest as a consistent trend with the Hatsan 125 line. Just as with Crosman and their poor triggers, cheap plastic barrel pivots, and high mechanical defect precentages, purchasers of the Hatsan brand have every right to expect better. Since we in the States have a while until we can make any real generalizations about the Hatsan line here, it is very important that we honestly note their very real issues as well as their shining points if we are to eventually get a full understanding of what to expect from a Hatsan.You crack me up Mike.
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