Got a 125 Sniper Camo instead of another 125th. It's here, came a day early!

[Mike 4888blues]

  Got out and did some bench shooting today. Shot for about an hour thinking hold sensitivity was causing really bad groups. I mean I couldn't keep my shots on a 3" Shoot-N-C target at @ 30 yards with CPHP's. Then I switched to RWS Meisterhugeln and no better. Grabbed the H&N Field Target Trophy's and it was like magic how the groups tightened up to about the size of a quarter. Not sure of the distance since I was shooting a small informal range that a gunsmith has set up beside his shop, but it was every bit of 30 yards. 
   

interesting  what cal  is  yours  again?

[Charles Outdoors]

It's .22 cal.

[Charles Outdoors]

  Got out and did some bench shooting today. Shot for about an hour thinking hold sensitivity was causing really bad groups. I mean I couldn't keep my shots on a 3" Shoot-N-C target at @ 30 yards with CPHP's. Then I switched to RWS Meisterhugeln and no better. Grabbed the H&N Field Target Trophy's and it was like magic how the groups tightened up to about the size of a quarter. Not sure of the distance since I was shooting a small informal range that a gunsmith has set up beside his shop, but it was every bit of 30 yards. 
 

LOL, Just when I thought I was getting good at judging distance. I talked with the range owner again today and the range I was shooting is 50 yards!!  Once I seen these pellets where grouping I switched to a new target and took 3 shots sighting them in. Once it was sighted in I put at least 8 rounds in the center group before packing up. The center ring is 1 inch on these targets.
 

[Mike 4888blues]

Now  that's what we are talking about excellent. maybe , share  that in a separate post so others see  that,  other wise it could be lost in the shuffle of the post.
just a thought

[Tarheel]

Now  that's what we are talking about excellent. maybe , share  that in a separate post so others see  that,  other wise it could be lost in the shuffle of the post.
just a thought

Mike,

Maybe we should start a thread for people to post their results and reviews in ?

Dave

[Mike 4888blues]

That's a god Ideal Dave.  why don't you post  that .your name sticks out better here then mine cause your into the gas ram exploration and you have  sharper mind  then I do lol

[Mike 4888blues]

  Got out and did some bench shooting today. Shot for about an hour thinking hold sensitivity was causing really bad groups. I mean I couldn't keep my shots on a 3" Shoot-N-C target at @ 30 yards with CPHP's. Then I switched to RWS Meisterhugeln and no better. Grabbed the H&N Field Target Trophy's and it was like magic how the groups tightened up to about the size of a quarter. Not sure of the distance since I was shooting a small informal range that a gunsmith has set up beside his shop, but it was every bit of 30 yards. 
 

LOL, Just when I thought I was getting good at judging distance. I talked with the range owner again today and the range I was shooting is 50 yards!!  Once I seen these pellets where grouping I switched to a new target and took 3 shots sighting them in. Once it was sighted in I put at least 8 rounds in the center group before packing up. The center ring is 1 inch on these targets.
 

ok  now i like  to see all the nay Sayers see this..
 The ones who had nothing but bad things to say about hatsan, this is what we are talking about. a well built rifle,  with power,  with a excellent  ( mind you not good, I said excellent trigger, and a good price point and.. kemosobie lol excellent accuracy...did i mention the sas design ? oh yes  that too Ha!

 I can deal with some
Minor issues all day, any day if I had to with a rifle giving me this

[Paul68]

  Got out and did some bench shooting today. Shot for about an hour thinking hold sensitivity was causing really bad groups. I mean I couldn't keep my shots on a 3" Shoot-N-C target at @ 30 yards with CPHP's. Then I switched to RWS Meisterhugeln and no better. Grabbed the H&N Field Target Trophy's and it was like magic how the groups tightened up to about the size of a quarter. Not sure of the distance since I was shooting a small informal range that a gunsmith has set up beside his shop, but it was every bit of 30 yards. 
 

LOL, Just when I thought I was getting good at judging distance. I talked with the range owner again today and the range I was shooting is 50 yards!!  Once I seen these pellets where grouping I switched to a new target and took 3 shots sighting them in. Once it was sighted in I put at least 8 rounds in the center group before packing up. The center ring is 1 inch on these targets.
 

ok  now i like  to see all the nay Sayers see this..
 The ones who had nothing but bad things to say about hatsan, this is what we are talking about. a well built rifle,  with power,  with a excellent  ( mind you not good, I said excellent trigger, and a good price point and.. kemosobie lol excellent accuracy...did i mention the sas design ? oh yes  that too Ha!

 I can deal with some
Minor issues all day, any day if I had to with a rifle giving me this

You asked right?

So, how does this alter the fact that the Hatsan 125's are showing a tendency to arrive with poorly finished metal and plastic?

According to you, the trigger is "excellent". Yet, haven't you been stumping for replacing the trigger screws to fix them?

What about the nicked seal and metal shavings Craymar found inside his?

Trondyne as well as myself and others have noted what appears to be power far below what these guns are supposed to be capable of out of the box, more bad seals perhaps? I'll know for sure when I open mine up this weekend, and you can be sure I'll have more to naysay about if there is anything to honestly report.

What about Tom Gaylords problems with the accuracy of the 177 cal and discovering an oversized bore?

 
The point is, Hatsan is not perfect, and one good performing rifle does not make a consistent trend, same as one badly performing rifle doesn't make  trend. There are many good reports of the power and accuracy living up to the claims. There are also many negative reports as well on everything from power and accuracy, to materials, to fit and finish.


I don't think I have seen a single person say "nothing but bad things" about the Hatsans.

I have though, seen a lot of honest appraisals and evaluations of the guns these people have recieved. I consider these to be worth their weight in gold, as the real picture, warts and all, is what helps people make a good buying decision and spurs manufacturers to improve their products.

My 125 is very accurate so far, but that doesn't change the fact that the barrel pivot has loosened to the point of allowing it to flop around, the bluing is very poor at best, the plastic looks cheap and is poorly finished, and the power is not there.

I paid for what Hatsan advertised, and they failed to deliver. Bottom line.

[Raizer]

According to you, the trigger is "excellent". Yet, haven't you been stumping for replacing the trigger screws to fix them?

Replacing the screws isnt really fixing them, its just putting them back to factory spec since there dumbed down for the US market.

[Mike 4888blues]

According to you, the trigger is "excellent". Yet, haven't you been stumping for replacing the trigger screws to fix them?

Replacing the screws isnt really fixing them, its just putting them back to factory spec since there dumbed down for the US market.

hey! is wrong with you guys
 the trigger just need longer screws  (the hatsan company is not going to risk getting sued for doing the same, the trigger is fantastic. the design is fantastic

[Lambchops]

I agree with Mike on the trigger issue. A simple purchase of 2 adjustment screws can turn it into a match grade trigger, from what I've read.

[Mike 4888blues]

  Got out and did some bench shooting today. Shot for about an hour thinking hold sensitivity was causing really bad groups. I mean I couldn't keep my shots on a 3" Shoot-N-C target at @ 30 yards with CPHP's. Then I switched to RWS Meisterhugeln and no better. Grabbed the H&N Field Target Trophy's and it was like magic how the groups tightened up to about the size of a quarter. Not sure of the distance since I was shooting a small informal range that a gunsmith has set up beside his shop, but it was every bit of 30 yards. 
 

LOL, Just when I thought I was getting good at judging distance. I talked with the range owner again today and the range I was shooting is 50 yards!!  Once I seen these pellets where grouping I switched to a new target and took 3 shots sighting them in. Once it was sighted in I put at least 8 rounds in the center group before packing up. The center ring is 1 inch on these targets.
 

ok  now i like  to see all the nay Sayers see this..
 The ones who had nothing but bad things to say about hatsan, this is what we are talking about. a well built rifle,  with power,  with a excellent  ( mind you not good, I said excellent trigger, and a good price point and.. kemosobie lol excellent accuracy...did i mention the sas design ? oh yes  that too Ha!

 I can deal with some
Minor issues all day, any day if I had to with a rifle giving me this

You asked right?

So, how does this alter the fact that the Hatsan 125's are showing a tendency to arrive with poorly finished metal and plastic?

According to you, the trigger is "excellent". Yet, haven't you been stumping for replacing the trigger screws to fix them?

What about the nicked seal and metal shavings Craymar found inside his?

Trondyne as well as myself and others have noted what appears to be power far below what these guns are supposed to be capable of out of the box, more bad seals perhaps? I'll know for sure when I open mine up this weekend, and you can be sure I'll have more to naysay about if there is anything to honestly report.

What about Tom Gaylords problems with the accuracy of the 177 cal and discovering an oversized bore?

 
The point is, Hatsan is not perfect, and one good performing rifle does not make a consistent trend, same as one badly performing rifle doesn't make  trend. There are many good reports of the power and accuracy living up to the claims. There are also many negative reports as well on everything from power and accuracy, to materials, to fit and finish.


I don't think I have seen a single person say "nothing but bad things" about the Hatsans.

I have though, seen a lot of honest appraisals and evaluations of the guns these people have recieved. I consider these to be worth their weight in gold, as the real picture, warts and all, is what helps people make a good buying decision and spurs manufacturers to improve their products.

My 125 is very accurate so far, but that doesn't change the fact that the barrel pivot has loosened to the point of allowing it to flop around, the bluing is very poor at best, the plastic looks cheap and is poorly finished, and the power is not there.

I paid for what Hatsan advertised, and they failed to deliver. Bottom line.

  What ever , go buy your beeman Mach 12  , you think hatsan intended  for a rifle to come out  over oiled? they all be like that if they did.

 the metal shaven were so faint, so minute, I doubt if it would  even bother anything that's what I saw in my mod 95 a couple  fleks and two  inbeded in the seal.
the f ing trigger  is awesome  do you think they  would install longer screws and risk getting sued? the trigger design is fantastic  you  type guys   poindexters type

 you know what, good then don't buy one, sell the one  you have,  loose out on a good rifle over your ocd condition

 so your barrel  pivot screw is loose, well? tighten it up, your correct no one  is perfect, the over all design is great, how many great auto car makers have a lemon now and then, and  who knows if that's down to human error over the intended design

[Mike 4888blues]

I agree with Mike on the trigger issue. A simple purchase of 2 adjustment screws can turn it into a match grade trigger, from what I've read.

Thank you lamb
 dude you need a favor  you got it just ask bro iam sick  of people who cant see the sun shine for a copple passisng clouds

[Mike 4888blues]

According to you, the trigger is "excellent". Yet, haven't you been stumping for replacing the trigger screws to fix them?

Replacing the screws isnt really fixing them, its just putting them back to factory spec since there dumbed down for the US market.

 exactly well said.

[Lambchops]

Mike please calm down man, everyone has their opinion, watch the language please. I wouldn't want mods to get involved or anything. You know what i mean?

[Mike 4888blues]

Mike please calm down man, everyone has their opinion, watch the language please. I wouldn't want mods to get involved or anything. You know what i mean?

Thank  you for  your caring.
 every time I post something I get Paul jumping down my throat I almost was going to mention in my  post here,that I was not talking to Paul of gta or any other posted review,  but there have been some who blaintingly put hatsan down  not even  having one

[Lambchops]

Paul, I guarantee, open up any springer and you will see burrs and minute shavings in every cylinder, maybe if you're lucky a Weihrauch will be clean. Also, every airgun springer manufacturer has had problems with their seals, it's just the nature of springers. Tom Gaylord's blog on the Hatsan 125 in .177 was bad because well, it was .177! No one in their right mind would want a magnum springer in .177. I've seen and read of plenty of people loving their Hatsan's out of the box and saying that they shot like a finely tuned German springer. I do agree with the bluing problem though, they need to step up their game on that. The plastic stock issue is nothing new, they are made of the same plastic that WFH stocks are made of, and as I once said, "I've seen better plastic from McDonald's Happy Meals toy's".

[Charles Outdoors]

  If there is one thing consistent about the Hatsan 125 and 135 I would say it is the power. The .25 cal. shoots 70 to 100 fps over the stated 750 fps with @ a 20 grain pellet. I was getting 960-970 fps with the .22 cal H&N Diabolo Sport 13.73 grains. I bet I would hit 1000 fps with the RWS hobby 11.9 Grain pellets.
 Everything else just seems to be the norm with Chinese, Turkish and Spanish air rifles.

I hate to say it but, the metal shavings issue is another story. Will post pictures in the full review. 

 

[Mike 4888blues]

  If there is one thing consistent about the Hatsan 125 and 135 I would say it is the power. The .25 cal. shoots 70 to 100 fps over the stated 750 fps with @ a 20 grain pellet. I was getting 960-970 fps with the .22 cal H&N Diabolo Sport 13.73 grains. I bet I would hit 1000 fps with the RWS hobby 11.9 Grain pellets.
 Everything else just seems to be the norm with Chinese, Turkish and Spanish air rifles.

I hate to say it but, the metal shavings issue is another story. Will post pictures in the full review. 

 

 I be  glad  to here 

  If there is one thing consistent about the Hatsan 125 and 135 I would say it is the power. The .25 cal. shoots 70 to 100 fps over the stated 750 fps with @ a 20 grain pellet. I was getting 960-970 fps with the .22 cal H&N Diabolo Sport 13.73 grains. I bet I would hit 1000 fps with the RWS hobby 11.9 Grain pellets.
 Everything else just seems to be the norm with Chinese, Turkish and Spanish air rifles.

I hate to say it but, the metal shavings issue is another story. Will post pictures in the full review. 

 

I'll be  glad to hear  crammer  your  findings I like to know  has any one emailed hatsan in turkey  as to  some of the findings here.
 they need  to look into  the issues  we  all have mentioned.

[Tarheel]

Geez,

I leave for a few minutes and the whole place "goes crazy" . . .

Shut up and shoot something . . . LOL !

Dave