Update On WFH .22 bought used with bad triger 125.00( It works fine!)958 fps

[Tarheel]

Mike,

My advice is to get the cash to make up the difference in cost first and then sell you rifle to get what you really want.

Dave

[z28rod]

Sell the wfh you have now for like $145 shipped, the take $100 bucks add it and order a 125 from sources in this post. done, why would you even think of selling a rws for a hatsan, even thou its a really nice hatsan. the rws rifles hold their value much better over time than the hatsans do.

[Mike 4888blues]

Sell the wfh you have now for like $145 shipped, the take $100 bucks add it and order a 125 from sources in this post. done, why would you even think of selling a rws for a hatsan, even thou its a really nice hatsan. the rws rifles hold their value much better over time than the hatsans do.

 Yeah  sometimes  the craving is stronger then the reality of what the *(&^  Iam doing lol thanks Bret and Dave.

[Mike 4888blues]

I am pretty sure  the sniper sound loud  at least when i watch the video  you can almost here the crack any one shoot one

[Paul68]

Thanks Paul.
 You know how it is, everything is so tempting I probably get to the rws  to take picture of  it and  go  gracious *(&^ no , i am not getting rid of this this, when its out of site its out of mind type of thing.

Your right now  whats buggng me is I want the  wlater falcon hunter with the quattro triger  that.s really bugging me.
If  i buy one, what do you think I should sell the one I have for  it has the sas but not the quattro trigger

Not sure what to sell it for Mike. Depends on condition. If in great shape, I'd probably take 15-20% off original price.

If it were me, and this is just because I like doing things the hard way, I'd take plastic trigger out, get a tracing and some scale spec diagrams drawn up, and make a metal one out of steel or an aluminum alloy. 

[Mike 4888blues]

Thanks Paul.
 You know how it is, everything is so tempting I probably get to the rws  to take picture of  it and  go  gracious *(&^ no , i am not getting rid of this this, when its out of site its out of mind type of thing.

Your right now  whats buggng me is I want the  wlater falcon hunter with the quattro triger  that.s really bugging me.
If  i buy one, what do you think I should sell the one I have for  it has the sas but not the quattro trigger

Not sure what to sell it for Mike. Depends on condition. If in great shape, I'd probably take 15-20% off original price.

If it were me, and this is just because I like doing things the hard way, I'd take plastic trigger out, get a tracing and some scale spec diagrams drawn up, and make a metal one out of steel or an aluminum alloy. 

 I dont have the means  of doing  that but it makes me  feel good other members like  you  do, i have basic  tools , in fact i got a table vice just yesterday at Shiptons Big R
 I went to 5 pawn shops   to no advail they all wanted to much money for  to little  of a table vice the cheap one i bought for 15.00 even had a flat area  for  working on, but it was so cheap i had to take it apart where it rotated  and grind it clean, Paul it looked like it was made from old  rusty mel;ted down scale lol  but hey i got  it cleaned and lubed and mounted / even harbour freight wanted  to much  for a table vice  the smaler ones  i could  not use they were to small

[Paul68]

You don't need anything special to make a trigger. Granted, the Hatsan triggers are more intricate, even plastic, but really it just takes time and planning.

I made this B2 trigger over the course of a couple days using a solid piece of sheet steel, drill, jigsaw, grinder and dremel. The only really difficult part is getting the mounting pin holes properly aligned and drilled. A drill press solves that issue. It's a direct sear trigger, but truthfully, it'd be interesting to try a "real" trigger.

[Mike 4888blues]

You don't need anything special to make a trigger. Granted, the Hatsan triggers are more intricate, even plastic, but really it just takes time and planning.

I made this B2 trigger over the course of a couple days using a solid piece of sheet steel, drill, jigsaw, grinder and dremel. The only really difficult part is getting the mounting pin holes properly aligned and drilled. A drill press solves that issue. It's a direct sear trigger, but truthfully, it'd be interesting to try a "real" trigger.

 i have not taken apart the wfh trigger the plastic one doesn't bother me, it is just the quattro with longer screws is the bomb.
 that looks  awesome  and  a lot of work wheww gracious

[Raizer]

Is that so the forearm can roll back and foreward with recoil ?

 hi bret.
 yes.  the post was in hatsan gate  or china  gate the guys  shots groups  were even better then he  ever got, he  said it wasn't his idea.l he saw  it some where  else maybe  on another site he has pictures of it  too.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,26910.0.html

[Smackey54]

I had done a power comparison....or rather an energy comparison between Kaller, Datco, N-Forcer, and one other gas spring and posted it somewhere here about 3-4 months ago....it compares initial (cocked) force and final force (piston extended), but I will be darned if I can find it. It was attached to a post as a graph. The delta equals the amount of force required to cock the gun....and indicates how much is released when the sear is released. The greater the delta, the greater the difference or gain in force. I am going to be going away for the weekend and don't have time to search for it, but perhaps someone else can search for it.

I found it . . . I saved it when I saw it ! 

I think there is an ERROR in the final force on the KALLER gas ram . . . KALLER has it as 260 or 270 lbs. Remember, we are talking about 19mm diameter X 125mm stroke gas rams .

That MOELLER M90 looks interesting, but I would be concerned about a 304 lb . load on the Sear, when cocked.

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Dave

The Kaller is correct. Starting at 157 and end force at 270. That is for the RD 219
Thanks for finding it!

[Nathan]

Your rifle shouldn't have too much droop. The WFH I had worked just fine with the supplied scope and rings.

Nathan

[Tarheel]

The Kaller is correct. Starting at 157 and end force at 270. That is for the RD 219
Thanks for finding it!

Mark,

What is your opinion of the MOELLER M90-125-YW Gas Rams ?

Dave

[sawtoothscream]

anyone know if these gas rams will be like crosmans? where they need some warm up shots before it start impacting right.

also price?  are these drop ins or do you have to tinker to get them to work?

[Tarheel]

anyone know if these gas rams will be like crosmans? where they need some warm up shots before it start impacting right.

also price?  are these drop ins or do you have to tinker to get them to work?

The prices are around $60 and they are much higher quality than the Chinese "Nitro Pistons" on Crosman and other rifles.

As for a "warm-up", I don't know, but would guess that they might.

Dave

[bluzjamer]

Have a dumb question. If my WFH 22 already has a NP (probably a crossman) would it be hard to install one of these n forcers? Is it under a lot of pressure like a spring. Will I still need a compressor to take it out?

[Mike 4888blues]

Have a dumb question. If my WFH 22 already has a NP (probably a crossman) would it be hard to install one of these n forcers? Is it under a lot of pressure like a spring. Will I still need a compressor to take it out?

  You need a spring compressor, usually there's pre load when installing the spring  or gas ram.
 Compressors  are easy to make providing you have  decent array of tools.
Harbor freight not only has  very large C clamps for like under 10.00, but cheaper priced  tools  if  you don't already  have them. grinder , and metal cut off disc, tapered step bits for drilling holes in metal and enlarging them to the next size, punch  sets for different punch retaining pins are a must etc..

 The C clamps work good,  because  the end swivels and rotates and fits inside the receivers and  the clamp itself can be cut for better clearance  for work when bolted  to  your 2x6.

 

[Tarheel]

Have a dumb question. If my WFH 22 already has a NP (probably a crossman) would it be hard to install one of these n forcers? Is it under a lot of pressure like a spring. Will I still need a compressor to take it out?

You WILL need a spring compressor . . .

When it comes to actually working on the rifle, I refer you to the "experts" on GTA, of which, I am NOT one !

Dave

[Smackey54]

The Kaller is correct. Starting at 157 and end force at 270. That is for the RD 219
Thanks for finding it!

Mark,

What is your opinion of the MOELLER M90-125-YW Gas Rams ?

Dave
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Mark,

What is your opinion of the MOELLER M90-125-YW Gas Rams ?

Dave

Dave,
I tried to contact them and find a distributor, but they never responded. I have no idea, except that it has a lot of force, and I bet would be a bugger to cock. I am interested in, and plan to buy a Kaller RD 19-125...but they are about $80 shipped, while the N-Forcers are $60 shipped. Any of these NPs will last a long time and will probably not tire like a crosman NP. Most of these are rated for at least 200,000 cycles. Remember...they are designed to replace coil die springs used in heavy machining applications.

As for warm up time....I do not know. I have always kept my guns inside...and have not had them out in the cold for extended periods before shooting them...so I really have no basis for addressing that question.

As to whether they will drop into a gun which already has a NP, like a WFH, (Which uses the XL piston), the N-Forcer is about 1/16" shorter than the XL gas spring, so at most it will require a washer/spacer. I just used a washer as a spacer when I  switched from the N-forcer to the XL spring when I was experimenting.

[Tarheel]

Dave,
I tried to contact them and find a distributor, but they never responded. I have no idea, except that it has a lot of force, and I bet would be a bugger to cock. I am interested in, and plan to buy a Kaller RD 19-125...but they are about $80 shipped, while the N-Forcers are $60 shipped. Any of these NPs will last a long time and will probably not tire like a crosman NP. Most of these are rated for at least 200,000 cycles. Remember...they are designed to replace coil die springs used in heavy machining applications.

As for warm up time....I do not know. I have always kept my guns inside...and have not had them out in the cold for extended periods before shooting them...so I really have no basis for addressing that question.

As to whether they will drop into a gun which already has a NP, like a WFH, (Which uses the XL piston), the N-Forcer is about 1/16" shorter than the XL gas spring, so at most it will require a washer/spacer. I just used a washer as a spacer when I  switched from the N-forcer to the XL spring when I was experimenting.

I've been cruising around the MOELLER website . . . Found the Distributor Locator

http://moellerpunch.com/distributors.html

Click on North America, then choose a state.

Dave

[Smackey54]

Yup. You're right, Dave. Now I remember. I emailed them, but got no response.

P.S.   Mike, I apologize. It seems we hi-jacked your thread!