XS60C - The questions I didn't think I'd have to ask...

[Methuselah]

Shot 41, 399 fps (CPUM). Mike wrote 675.

Interesting POA hardly changed at 25'. It's a LOT quieter now.

I think I'll wait a week and crony shot 42. Probably should change out CO2 cartridges after that, calculated 3.7 ft pounds...

(What do I need, 2 ft pounds for a HOSP?)

[OleTomCat]

The XS60C is a great gun, I have one of the ones that Mike converted to PCP way back when and I love it, it's still one of my favorites, very light and agile for woods work and quiet as a church mouse with the correct muffler...

[NorCal David]

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(What do I need, 2 ft pounds for a HOSP?)

grobe1458 Posted in 2013 quotes of 2.0 and 2.5 ft-lbs for a sparrow. Pellet choice and caliber might cause some variation. Hope this link works, it has a lot of good information.

[avator]

The XS60C is a great gun, I have one of the ones that Mike converted to PCP way back when and I love it, it's still one of my favorites, very light and agile for woods work and quiet as a church mouse with the correct muffler...

Mine still has the original *BARK* and I love it. It's one of the few .22 guns I own that shoot my cast pellets really well. That 24gr pellet hits hard.

[Back_Roads]

The XS60C is a great gun, I have one of the ones that Mike converted to PCP way back when and I love it, it's still one of my favorites, very light and agile for woods work and quiet as a church mouse with the correct muffler...

Mine still has the original *BARK* and I love it. It's one of the few .22 guns I own that shoot my cast pellets really well. That 24gr pellet hits hard.

Let mine bark also, it impresses the powder burner people

[Doug Wall]

You're testing my memory a bit. Going back 10 years, I tested a Umarex Fusion, which is the same as the XS60. Here's the review:
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/airgun-test-reviews/ham-test-review-umarex-fusion-air-rifle-177-cal/

[Back_Roads]

 I picked up a Fusion 2 converted to HPA not a bad shooter, took many chippers and HOSP with it to date, even shoots slugs Still like the XS60 better

[NorCal David]

even shoots slugs

You shot slugs through it, or shot pellets at slugs, or shot slugs at slugs? 😂 Sorry for the bad joke, I could not resist. The XS60 might be my next purchase.

[Back_Roads]

even shoots slugs

You shot slugs through it, or shot pellets at slugs, or shot slugs at slugs? 😂 Sorry for the bad joke, I could not resist. The XS60 might be my next purchase.

LOL I thought that may happen after I posted, answer is D all of the above

[OleTomCat]

The XS60C is a great gun, I have one of the ones that Mike converted to PCP way back when and I love it, it's still one of my favorites, very light and agile for woods work and quiet as a church mouse with the correct muffler...

Mine still has the original *BARK* and I love it. It's one of the few .22 guns I own that shoot my cast pellets really well. That 24gr pellet hits hard.

Let mine bark also, it impresses the powder burner people

I use mine in the woods taking down tree chicken, I want it quiet...

[Back_Roads]

The XS60C is a great gun, I have one of the ones that Mike converted to PCP way back when and I love it, it's still one of my favorites, very light and agile for woods work and quiet as a church mouse with the correct muffler...

Mine still has the original *BARK* and I love it. It's one of the few .22 guns I own that shoot my cast pellets really well. That 24gr pellet hits hard.

Let mine bark also, it impresses the powder burner people

I use mine in the woods taking down tree chicken, I want it quiet...

I have been hunting squirrel with louder guns this season, shots seem to not spook them, and by now they should know better Also the deer do not rush off but meander just ahead of us while hunting tree rats

[avator]

Folks been successfully hunting squirrels with .22sr and lr for years. They don't moderate those.

[Methuselah]

Today's makes one week its been sitting.

Next shot chrono, CPUM, 270 fps., next 277 fps. Just in case I didn't recall the pellets used last time, tried next with CPHP, 259 fps. - this would have to be higher if I made that mistake - it's a lighter pellet.

So, it lost 120 fps just sitting a week, from 399 to 277.

Sadly, nothing new to me, of the ten airguns I bought new none have been both accurate and long-lived. I had better luck with the firearms, a Ruger 10/22 works and is not too bad accuracy wise with a few shells, and a 17 hmr is decent (batting 50% on new powder burner purchases).

I bought this one because I've never owned a tuned gun, and so many people said it was both accurate and held CO2 for several months. No surprise if there was one that didn't measure up I'd land at my door.

I'm going to say loud and clear, here in writing, that I believe the majority of these that get worked through by Mike (95% or higher?) don't have issues, many are accurate with cheapo pellets, and if not, he seems to be adamant about standing behind them and would probably refund me or cover return/repair. It's just, well, my luck:

Daisy 880 - OK accuracy
Hatsan 125 - swarf cut seal, lockup pin undersized
Remington Express - bad seal
Diana 34 - I've beat this story to death...
Daisy 415 CO2 pistols X2 - gave away, under $5 each
Daisy 408 - leaks CO2, trying teflon tape...
Crosman 1377 - fixed minor issues, accurate!
Crosman C2023 - returned, seal gave up
Flying Dragon XISICO XS60C - Tenth new gun, batting 0

My luck, there's no point. If there's one in a thousand chance for something to go wrong, I'd be first in line for that 1 in a thousand ticket.

I reckon my choices are to put it up for trade or sale, request a refund (and offer to eat the return shipping probably), or tear it down and try a re-seal - maybe plugging the valve gasketing for bleeding the depleted cartridges.

Of course there's also the add it to the list of projects pile, as I did say it was loud and I wanted to lower the fps. I reckon you lighten the hammer spring to do this? It should hold gas short-term (a day?) since it took 7 days to drop the 120 fps...

Did I say I bought it to avoid these situations? Yeah. Same reason I bought that C2023. Yeah, that's right.

So I should sign off this thread, but if you want to comment I'll be here ;-)

[Hoosier Daddy]

Today's makes one week its been sitting.

Next shot chrono, CPUM, 270 fps., next 277 fps. Just in case I didn't recall the pellets used last time, tried next with CPHP, 259 fps. - this would have to be higher if I made that mistake - it's a lighter pellet.

So, it lost 120 fps just sitting a week, from 399 to 277.

So I should sign off this thread, but if you want to comment I'll be here ;-)

If that is with fresh cart(s) and ambient temp above 65f ,something ain't right.
Call Mike.

[mikeiniowa]

Sounds to me that the gas is just about out with those velocities., not enough pressure to push the seals home?  soapy water will find the source when there is a leak...

[Hoosier Daddy]

MIKE!!!!



I am humbled to your presence

[Methuselah]

Today's makes one week its been sitting.

Next shot chrono, CPUM, 270 fps., next 277 fps. Just in case I didn't recall the pellets used last time, tried next with CPHP, 259 fps. - this would have to be higher if I made that mistake - it's a lighter pellet.

So, it lost 120 fps just sitting a week, from 399 to 277.

So I should sign off this thread, but if you want to comment I'll be here ;-)

If that is with fresh cart(s) and ambient temp above 65f ,something ain't right.
Call Mike.

Scott,

All continuous, whole thread. Shots 41 thru 43 with only one cartridge, a week between shot 41 and 42/43, 399 fps on shot 41.

My guess is it will break in, it will shoot good and accurately when it settles in, but keeping it is probably a bad idea because I just don't shoot often enough to throw two cartridges into it every shooting session, and as much as I'm willing to work on something, I just don't get to doing it anytime soon.

The last major rework was a couple years ago on a Henry H001 that has a very nice stock --- it could have been sent back to the factory, but I didn't want to chance a lesser stock if they replaced the gun. It had (has) concentric chatter marks all down the barrel and didn't like any of the almost two dozen rounds tried. It seems to like everything after I worked on it, but no telling if this one has the same potential.

Maybe I will call Mike, perhaps a new cap is all it needs (if he would send a new seal [for this cap] I could cut off the old one and polish the brass valve piece).

[Methuselah]

Sounds to me that the gas is just about out with those velocities., not enough pressure to push the seals home?  soapy water will find the source when there is a leak...

Mike,

THANK YOU FOR CHIMING IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I tried the balloons trick and you are 100% spot on right I have not thought this through well enough yet. Agreed 1000%, probably not enough gas pressure left, certainly not a usable range for shooting, makes sense not enough to count on for the valving either.

I owe you an apology, I should have called for your (expert!) advice before posting pretty much meaningless "results"!

I hope you will still sell me one of these in .22 caliber when I'm ready...

Thanks Again!
Steve

[Methuselah]

MIKE!!!!



I am humbled to your presence

(Ditto)

[Methuselah]

Today's makes one week its been sitting.

Next shot chrono, CPUM, 270 fps., next 277 fps. Just in case I didn't recall the pellets used last time, tried next with CPHP, 259 fps. - this would have to be higher if I made that mistake - it's a lighter pellet.

So, it lost 120 fps just sitting a week, from 399 to 277.

Sadly, nothing new to me, of the ten airguns I bought new none have been both accurate and long-lived. I had better luck with the firearms, a Ruger 10/22 works and is not too bad accuracy wise with a few shells, and a 17 hmr is decent (batting 50% on new powder burner purchases).

I bought this one because I've never owned a tuned gun, and so many people said it was both accurate and held CO2 for several months. No surprise if there was one that didn't measure up I'd land at my door.

I'm going to say loud and clear, here in writing, that I believe the majority of these that get worked through by Mike (95% or higher?) don't have issues, many are accurate with cheapo pellets, and if not, he seems to be adamant about standing behind them and would probably refund me or cover return/repair. It's just, well, my luck:

Daisy 880 - OK accuracy
Hatsan 125 - swarf cut seal, lockup pin undersized
Remington Express - bad seal
Diana 34 - I've beat this story to death...
Daisy 415 CO2 pistols X2 - gave away, under $5 each
Daisy 408 - leaks CO2, trying teflon tape...
Crosman 1377 - fixed minor issues, accurate!
Crosman C2023 - returned, seal gave up
Flying Dragon XISICO XS60C - Tenth new gun, batting 0

My luck, there's no point. If there's one in a thousand chance for something to go wrong, I'd be first in line for that 1 in a thousand ticket.

I reckon my choices are to put it up for trade or sale, request a refund (and offer to eat the return shipping probably), or tear it down and try a re-seal - maybe plugging the valve gasketing for bleeding the depleted cartridges.

Of course there's also the add it to the list of projects pile, as I did say it was loud and I wanted to lower the fps. I reckon you lighten the hammer spring to do this? It should hold gas short-term (a day?) since it took 7 days to drop the 120 fps...

Did I say I bought it to avoid these situations? Yeah. Same reason I bought that C2023. Yeah, that's right.

So I should sign off this thread, but if you want to comment I'll be here ;-)

With foot firmly in mouth I wrote off this TUNED airgun without due process. Disrespectful the way I wrote this!

Mike replied in spite of my shortcomings. Class act. Class act!