Quote from: mrbulk on December 05, 2023, 09:16:53 PMedespite all the negative disinformation put out by big oil and the gas car industry who unfortunately are fighting for their very existences as EVs really start to catch on like they already seem to be.Then why are EV's packing up on dealer lots?*only non-Teslas, it is documented.Why are many dealers wanting out or their EV obligations?*only non-Tesla dealers, nobody is buying non-Tesla EVsEV sales are no where close to ICE sales and i doubt they ever will be in our life time. Not enough rare earth materials or power grid.*Look up Redwood Materials. Once there are enough EVs mainstream the critical materials in the old ones can be recycled and no new mining is needed.The oil industry will be just fine since all the plastic, rubber and lubrication/grease in the vehicle comes from oil.Super cool truck but please don't buy into all the EV hype.*Yeah I USED to think it was hype, but I finally got into an EV because I was assured (by a couple fam mbrs who had gotten Teslas) that I could use it and drive it daily with no changes to my then-normal automotive habits or expenses. Turns out they were right. But this was back in 2018 and I have to compare apples to apples: I have always driven new expensive hotrods, all my life, even as a kid I worked at a gas station just to pay for my then-new bought-by-myself at age 18 Plymouth Fury V8, so I was comparing a new Tesla to a BMW 535i at the time and all costs were not only comparable, but because I never had to take the Tesla in for anything (there is no required maintenance on them, that's why dealers don't puch them as they make the BULK of profits from service and not from new car sales) and since I charged at home in my garage my fuel bill went down by 60%. So I actually saved money by switching. But I get it, the uninitiated, the uninterested, and those for whom the initial buy-in cost is still too high will not be convinced.
edespite all the negative disinformation put out by big oil and the gas car industry who unfortunately are fighting for their very existences as EVs really start to catch on like they already seem to be.
Battery Life and charging methods
The one thing no one talks about regarding EV's is RESALE VALUE. If I bought one this would be a major concern for me. EV’s have not been around long enough to experience this yet.Resale value is a big thing when it comes to high priced vehicles. The average Joe whats and needs value to carry over to their next purchase.How long will the battery last? How much to replace it? How much value is left after 8-10 years? We won't know this for a while. EV’s are in their infancy.
OK.Assuming zero maintenance on IC car and zero energy cost on EVI’m at 200,000 miles to break even for our car vs model 3.And 145,000 miles for our truck vs the cyber truck.For the record, I change my own oil, and simple stuff like brakes, pcv valves, valve cover gaskets, etc.
Thing I don't like is its steer by wire.
I really like the idea of charge from home.I really don’t like the idea of planning trips around charges.A coworker has a model S. I guess the electric motors are liquid cooled. I only know because the seal went out and coolant got in the electric motor. Tesla wants 6,000+ for a new motor, coworker going to take it apart and see what he can do.For me who’s usual priority is really low cost of ownership EVs don’t make sense yet. I buy em cheap and run em into the ground.That said, I have maybe 25k worth of vehicles total. My tax guy kind of challenged my thinking on it. Basically I could have financed and used the money for something that grows in the meantime.
my electric... 100 mile or so range affordable... should be about 1500 pounds... a Lotus Elise type body... no need to do more than 70 mph but needs to be sporty up to that... that is what would fit 90% of my driving...Hoping my 94 Chev stepside and 100,000 mile 04 Stang last for the rest of my driving... sons 98 stang still going strong at 206,000...now if I came into a good chunk of $$$$$... https://www.slashgear.com/detroit-electric-unveils-all-electric-sp01-luxury-sports-car-04276420
I'm willing to bet it wouldn't have stopped a shotgun slug or 5.7mm FMJ not to mention any sort of rifle round, a "What calibers will a Cybertruck stop?" test would have been more interesting although of course not as effective in terms of advertising. I'm sure that once they're out some GunTuber will oblige anyway edit: one of them already chimed in
Actually I'm worried enough someone might take a potshot at it just to test it out
Quote from: K.O. on December 06, 2023, 07:50:33 PMmy electric... 100 mile or so range affordable... should be about 1500 pounds... a Lotus Elise type body... no need to do more than 70 mph but needs to be sporty up to that... that is what would fit 90% of my driving...Hoping my 94 Chev stepside and 100,000 mile 04 Stang last for the rest of my driving... sons 98 stang still going strong at 206,000...now if I came into a good chunk of $$$$$... https://www.slashgear.com/detroit-electric-unveils-all-electric-sp01-luxury-sports-car-04276420In fact the very first Teslas indeed Were converted Lotus Elise body/chassis. But they had a 244-mile range and were like a hundred grand (hey, same cost as the top spec Cybertruck).
Quote from: Horatio on December 06, 2023, 03:03:05 PMOK.Assuming zero maintenance on IC car and zero energy cost on EVI’m at 200,000 miles to break even for our car vs model 3.And 145,000 miles for our truck vs the cyber truck.For the record, I change my own oil, and simple stuff like brakes, pcv valves, valve cover gaskets, etc.Yeah, apples to oranges comparison then. Don't most ppl pay to have their cars serviced? So if you account for this higher service cost, and as the EV needs to account for its electricity cost (which most EV owners charge at home, usually later on at night at greatly reduced rates, while they sleep) the EV always comes out ahead.
Puts me in mind of a Delorean. 'nuff said.
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