New Seneca Dragonfly?

[19Sheridan57]

I'm familiar with the adjustment screw backing out from use, a minor issue but that alone would knock it down quite a few pegs from the next best thing since a Supergrade. Maybe it's me.

So the Sheridans never had screws back out, ever? My c362 had to have all screws torqued after 20-ish shots. This is just normal airgun break in stuff. I get that none of you want something that could best the legendary Sheridans and Benjamins of old, but it's time to let the torch get passed.

    NO, they never had screws back out . You didn’t even need to “ break in “ Sheridan air rifles. They were all accurate right out of the box, unlike the ones mentioned in this thread.

Then why aren't they around anymore? There are plenty of posts on this forum about fasteners loosening up on all kinds of high end and low end guns. I'm just not sure why it matters.

   You obviously are not familiar with Sheridans . There are plenty of Sheridans around . How many would you like ?? Enough said .

[JoninMA]

     Steve, random question. In the history of their 75 year existence how many Sheridans with less than 100 shots through them needed to be disassembled to have their trigger pins staked?  At least half of them, right?  And to think this specific rifle was
probably sent to Tom Gaylord for evaluation by Seneca. They really crossed their T's and dotted their i's.

[Spacebus]

What needs to be staked? The screws don't come with thread lock from the factory so you can adjust them to your liking... Elsewise they wouldn't be very adjustable now would they?

There are plenty of high end German springers out there that have to be tightened up after some shooting. This is an entry level MSP in a market with only one other .22 cal MSP that makes the same power from the factory. I don't see a Sheridan available through Pyramid Air in .22 caliber, but they do have c362's that need their screws tightened up after 100-ish shots.

It's hilarious to see grown men bash a rifle they don't have anything to do with. We get it, you don't like the rifle.

[avator]

Entry level pumper? Is there such a thing as a 'high end level" pumper.
Can someone enlighten me on those? I would like see what a high end pumper would be like.

[19Sheridan57]

  Since Jon’s question was to ME, I will answer it. I have a stable full of Sheridans & have never seen a single ONE that needed trigger repair. My 1959 which might have 100,000 pellets shot through it, still has the original trigger.

Space,
    I don’t know if you are referring to me about arguing, because I am not. I said earlier that you are not familiar with Sheridans . That is very evident if you are looking on Pyramid for a new Sheridan !! 

[Keepingitsimple]

     Steve, random question. In the history of their 75 year existence how many Sheridans with less than 100 shots through them needed to be disassembled to have their trigger pins staked?  At least half of them, right?  And to think this specific rifle was
probably sent to Tom Gaylord for evaluation by Seneca. They really crossed their T's and dotted their i's.

Seneca sent a rifle that needed to be fixed to PA as it turns out. It's fixed now though and its all good...that is, if a ...'long single stage pull with an indistinct break'... is a good thing. My Winchester 1977XS trigger is kinda like this now.

Good thing Tom knew how to fix it. Tyler is helping out too.
Makes me wonder how many 'average' owners would know how to fix their trigger when it breaks on their rifle.

Turns out the tool to fix the sear engagement trigger adjustment screw is the one we all know so well ... the 0.050-inch Allen wrench.

Seneca Dragonfly Mark 2 multi-pump rifle: Part eight
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-eight/

The comments are interesting for this segment of the review.
Like this one, for example:
Yogi March 14, 2022 at 12:15 am
B.B.

Sounds like the Dragonfly is a “Humpty Dumpty gun”! lol.
Glad you got it back together, now adjust the trigger properly.

-Y

PS sounds like a great way for PA to go bankrupt, having to fix all those broke triggers. Any explanation as to why it broke in the first place?

[Keepingitsimple]

Entry level pumper? Is there such a thing as a 'high end level" pumper.
Can someone enlighten me on those? I would like see what a high end pumper would be like.

I always wondered about that one too.
Would an example of a high end pumper be the Seneca Aspen?

I can't think of any offhand that are more expensive than the $300 it goes for at PA.

[Spacebus]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

[19Sheridan57]

  I will say that a high end pumper would be a Sheridan Model A & B . No other pumper that I know of can touch the quality & precision of those.

[avator]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

[Firewalker]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

(Bazinga)

[Tpatner412]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

That's not correct.  The recall for the first version of the DIT trigger (the two stage adjustable version) found on the Gen2 version of the gun, not the original stormrider trigger.

[avator]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

That's not correct.  The recall for the first version of the DIT trigger (the two stage adjustable version) found on the Gen2 version of the gun, not the original stormrider trigger.

Just to clarify... the Gen2 trigger and the Dragonfly trigger are now the same?

[Tpatner412]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

That's not correct.  The recall for the first version of the DIT trigger (the two stage adjustable version) found on the Gen2 version of the gun, not the original stormrider trigger.

Just to clarify... the Gen2 trigger and the Dragonfly trigger are now the same?

They are not the same.  The Dragonfly trigger is the same as the original Stormrider trigger (Gen1), which is the same as the Artemis PR900 (I think that's the model) trigger.  The DIT trigger that Diana developed with SPA for the Gen2 Stormrider was the one that was part of the recall a few years back, and has since been improved and trouble free.

[Spacebus]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

That's not correct.  The recall for the first version of the DIT trigger (the two stage adjustable version) found on the Gen2 version of the gun, not the original stormrider trigger.

Thanks for the clarification! I'm glad to hear that as well since my Stormrider/PR900/CR600 hybrid has the G1 trigger, but I do wish it had the G2 trigger group.

[avator]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

That's not correct.  The recall for the first version of the DIT trigger (the two stage adjustable version) found on the Gen2 version of the gun, not the original stormrider trigger.

Just to clarify... the Gen2 trigger and the Dragonfly trigger are now the same?

They are not the same.  The Dragonfly trigger is the same as the original Stormrider trigger (Gen1), which is the same as the Artemis PR900 (I think that's the model) trigger.  The DIT trigger that Diana developed with SPA for the Gen2 Stormrider was the one that was part of the recall a few years back, and has since been improved and trouble free.

Is that not what I said?

[Tpatner412]

This gave me a good laugh this morning! Apparently tightening small screws screws is too hard for you guys. If you want to really have something to trip over, google search the debacle with Diana having to recall some G1 Stormriders for a poorly designed trigger.

Same trigger is on the Dragonfly.

That's not correct.  The recall for the first version of the DIT trigger (the two stage adjustable version) found on the Gen2 version of the gun, not the original stormrider trigger.

Just to clarify... the Gen2 trigger and the Dragonfly trigger are now the same?

They are not the same.  The Dragonfly trigger is the same as the original Stormrider trigger (Gen1), which is the same as the Artemis PR900 (I think that's the model) trigger.  The DIT trigger that Diana developed with SPA for the Gen2 Stormrider was the one that was part of the recall a few years back, and has since been improved and trouble free.

Is that not what I said?

Was just trying to clarify that it is NOT the same trigger that was recalled.

[avator]

Got ya.... 

[lillysdad621]

as far as expensive pumpers... an early supergrade was very expensive (47.50$ ) in the mid to late 50s ( that would be around 480$ today). There was also a Titan (UK made) that was a SSP 12 ft gun... it was expensive then (1980s i believe) and is unobtanium now. I think the Sharp Ace was also in the 300$ range, wasnt it?

[JoninMA]

     I wasn't just bashing the Dragonfly MK2, btw. Many new airguns need work straight out of the box, which is ridiculous. Why anyone would want to be first in line for a new Hatsan is beyond me. That's like paying to stand in line and get kicked in the b@//$.
    I was debating between the new Dragonfly and Crosman 362, I usually stick to vintage guns because the quality is so much higher. I didnt know the 362 was built in America. I couldn't care less about being a multishot, or pump assist. The 362 is a couple of foot lbs less powerful, but it's built on the proven 13XX platform, and mods are so easy. You shouldn't have to tinker on a brand new gun just to make it shoot though.