Crossman 101 I Picked Up This Morning

[Hoosier Daddy]

My bad. That tool is for more than one Crosman.

Gotchya! 

[Pellet Fun]

I get confused too. What really messed with my head was when I ordered the Crosman tool from baker for my Crosman 102 and it didn’t work because they didn’t drill the hole deep enough to swallow the exhaust valve so I could remove the nut. Talk about getting short sheeted!

Anyway, they made good and sent me a correctly machined tool. They said sometimes that happens. The machinist messed up.

[LOKEY]

Thanks, that does the spanner nut...But what about the other end of the tool with the internal threads?

I think that screws onto the brass piece sticking out and helps pull it out of the compression chamber. I just used a screwdriver and put it down inside past the threads. I kept wiggling it back and forth with the screwdriver. It slowly worked free and came right out with no damage at all to the part.

[xcalibur]

Not intended to derail... but add to the collective group info gathering.
"Large Pellet" logo 101, wood forearm, serial # 1177.
I believe to be a post war 1946?
 She is "On Deck" for rebuild this winter.
Seal Kit from "Henry Ford" in hand and buying the valve tool from Baker soon.
That is why I am following this amazing thread.

Thanks fellow Hoosier. Serial 1177 is already on the chart, but would you mind posting or PM a pic of the plunger guide? Wondering if it has a red fiber jacket. Plus, let me know if it has a cork gasket between the stock and receiver when you tear into it.

[xcalibur]

Don,
Thank you for posting all the pics. Kinda looks like somebody used red RTV to try to make seals at some point; but other than that, your rifle has all the original hardware including the valve components.

I'd like to add your rifle to the database if you don't mind.
Also, could you tell me if the air intake hole is on the left or right side? It looks like on the right, but hard to tell in your pic.

It's on the right side. If you need more info on it just ask. Thanks

Could I get a sharp photo of the top of the receiver with the bolt pullet back. Looking for any other stamps besides B1561 ?

The only other mark I see is a P with a period behind it. Here are pics. What is this "Database" and can I see it?

Thank you again Don for the added photos and information on your rifle.

The database is a collection of serial numbers and other characteristics in an effort to decipher and narrow down the years of production for the Crosman 10X models. All the data is plugged into a spreadsheet. Without getting into specifics, basically that data is then cross referenced with paperwork and Instruction manuals of the same era to extrapolate production times of specific serial number lots. A great number of rifles have been disassembled by myself and other contributors for inspection and comparison. It's impossible to purchase every Crosman rifle to get the information needed, so most of this data comes from other owners and collectors in the airgun community and is very much appreciated.
Steven

[LOKEY]

Don,
Thank you for posting all the pics. Kinda looks like somebody used red RTV to try to make seals at some point; but other than that, your rifle has all the original hardware including the valve components.

I'd like to add your rifle to the database if you don't mind.
Also, could you tell me if the air intake hole is on the left or right side? It looks like on the right, but hard to tell in your pic.

It's on the right side. If you need more info on it just ask. Thanks

Could I get a sharp photo of the top of the receiver with the bolt pullet back. Looking for any other stamps besides B1561 ?

The only other mark I see is a P with a period behind it. Here are pics. What is this "Database" and can I see it?

Thank you again Don for the added photos and information on your rifle.

The database is a collection of serial numbers and other characteristics in an effort to decipher and narrow down the years of production for the Crosman 10X models. All the data is plugged into a spreadsheet. Without getting into specifics, basically that data is then cross referenced with paperwork and Instruction manuals of the same era to extrapolate production times of specific serial number lots. A great number of rifles have been disassembled by myself and other contributors for inspection and comparison. It's impossible to purchase every Crosman rifle to get the information needed, so most of this data comes from other owners and collectors in the airgun community and is very much appreciated.
Steven

So do you have an idea of where my serial number puts mine? I was reading another thread that said those marks where not serial numbers but they where put there by people that repaired it and the numbers had nothing to do with dating these guns? Anyway I hope they are wrong. Actually it is posted on the JG website. Here is the link.

https://www.jgairguns.biz/croman-serial-numbers-explained-ezp-36.html

[Pellet Fun]

Thanks, that does the spanner nut...But what about the other end of the tool with the internal threads?

I think that screws onto the brass piece sticking out and helps pull it out of the compression chamber. I just used a screwdriver and put it down inside past the threads. I kept wiggling it back and forth with the screwdriver. It slowly worked free and came right out with no damage at all to the part.

Don, What you mention about the purpose of the threaded end sounds right, but I just checked my baker tool with an exhaust body and it won’t screw into the tool. I looked at the tool threads and they look perfect and when I screw the nut to the exhaust body it is fine; not cross threaded.

Maybe somebody who has used this will chime in. I’d like to know myself.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Thanks, that does the spanner nut...But what about the other end of the tool with the internal threads?

I think that screws onto the brass piece sticking out and helps pull it out of the compression chamber. I just used a screwdriver and put it down inside past the threads. I kept wiggling it back and forth with the screwdriver. It slowly worked free and came right out with no damage at all to the part.

That is what I assumed as well.... but with Gary's experience now I am wondering if there was a thread pitch change at some point.

[xcalibur]

Don,
Thank you for posting all the pics. Kinda looks like somebody used red RTV to try to make seals at some point; but other than that, your rifle has all the original hardware including the valve components.

I'd like to add your rifle to the database if you don't mind.
Also, could you tell me if the air intake hole is on the left or right side? It looks like on the right, but hard to tell in your pic.

It's on the right side. If you need more info on it just ask. Thanks

Could I get a sharp photo of the top of the receiver with the bolt pullet back. Looking for any other stamps besides B1561 ?

The only other mark I see is a P with a period behind it. Here are pics. What is this "Database" and can I see it?

Thank you again Don for the added photos and information on your rifle.

The database is a collection of serial numbers and other characteristics in an effort to decipher and narrow down the years of production for the Crosman 10X models. All the data is plugged into a spreadsheet. Without getting into specifics, basically that data is then cross referenced with paperwork and Instruction manuals of the same era to extrapolate production times of specific serial number lots. A great number of rifles have been disassembled by myself and other contributors for inspection and comparison. It's impossible to purchase every Crosman rifle to get the information needed, so most of this data comes from other owners and collectors in the airgun community and is very much appreciated.
Steven

So do you have an idea of where my serial number puts mine? I was reading another thread that said those marks where not serial numbers but they where put there by people that repaired it and the numbers had nothing to do with dating these guns? Anyway I hope they are wrong. Actually it is posted on the JG website. Here is the link.

https://www.jgairguns.biz/croman-serial-numbers-explained-ezp-36.html

That's the question most people want to know and the main reason for this quest. "What year was my Crosman manufactured."
In a nutshell.... After plotting these Letters and numbers on a chart, it has been determined that practically all Crosman 10X series do have what appear to be serial numbers, which can eventually identify year of manufacture. B1561 is the serial on your rifle. Some also have repair stamps. The "P." on yours for example, is an early repair stamp. Not sure what it means.
The data chart can also help determine what parts were original to a rifle if a person is inclined to restore it back to its original glory.

DWTrull has put a substantial amount of time and effort into identifying years of manufacture, so his reply in post three is probably spot on.

[LOKEY]

Don,
Thank you for posting all the pics. Kinda looks like somebody used red RTV to try to make seals at some point; but other than that, your rifle has all the original hardware including the valve components.

I'd like to add your rifle to the database if you don't mind.
Also, could you tell me if the air intake hole is on the left or right side? It looks like on the right, but hard to tell in your pic.

It's on the right side. If you need more info on it just ask. Thanks

Could I get a sharp photo of the top of the receiver with the bolt pullet back. Looking for any other stamps besides B1561 ?

The only other mark I see is a P with a period behind it. Here are pics. What is this "Database" and can I see it?

Thank you again Don for the added photos and information on your rifle.

The database is a collection of serial numbers and other characteristics in an effort to decipher and narrow down the years of production for the Crosman 10X models. All the data is plugged into a spreadsheet. Without getting into specifics, basically that data is then cross referenced with paperwork and Instruction manuals of the same era to extrapolate production times of specific serial number lots. A great number of rifles have been disassembled by myself and other contributors for inspection and comparison. It's impossible to purchase every Crosman rifle to get the information needed, so most of this data comes from other owners and collectors in the airgun community and is very much appreciated.
Steven

So do you have an idea of where my serial number puts mine? I was reading another thread that said those marks where not serial numbers but they where put there by people that repaired it and the numbers had nothing to do with dating these guns? Anyway I hope they are wrong. Actually it is posted on the JG website. Here is the link.

https://www.jgairguns.biz/croman-serial-numbers-explained-ezp-36.html

That's the question most people want to know and the main reason for this quest. "What year was my Crosman manufactured."
In a nutshell.... After plotting these Letters and numbers on a chart, it has been determined that practically all Crosman 10X series do have what appear to be serial numbers, which can eventually identify year of manufacture. B1561 is the serial on your rifle. Some also have repair stamps. The "P." on yours for example, is an early repair stamp. Not sure what it means.
The data chart can also help determine what parts were original to a rifle if a person is inclined to restore it back to its original glory.

DWTrull has put a substantial amount of time and effort into identifying years of manufacture, so his reply in post three is probably spot on.

Very Nice! I love the history of these great shooters as much as shooting them. But I am a collector of antiques. I have an electric fan from 1882. It is the earliest known example of a commercially sold electric fan and it still runs!

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

Very Nice! I love the history of these great shooters as much as shooting them. But I am a collector of antiques. I have an electric fan from 1882. It is the earliest known example of a commercially sold electric fan and it still runs!

The State of CA would slap a Prop 65 warning on that 1882 fan.   

[LOKEY]

Okay what kind of paint would you guys recommend for this? I know it's basically black.  It looks like they used black japan like what was used on Stanley plans and old antique cast iron fans of that period? Thanks

[longhunter]

I've used Krylon satin black, with good results.

[Hoosier Daddy]

I "plan" on using this on my 101
Have used it on many Motorcycle projects and it is a satin finish... VERY durable.
Available at any Auto-parts store.

[LOKEY]

The reason I asked is that if the original was Black Japan then I might try this. Black Dragon Gilsonite paint. It has the closest look to original black japan because like Black Japan it is made with Gilsonite as well. I know of several people that have used it on antique fans with great success.

 

https://www.jcwhitlam.com/Product/1/1603/89#

[xcalibur]

ColorTone Nitrocellulose Guitar Lacquer, or Rustoleum Black Lacquer are good choices.
Lacquer goes on thinner and preserves more detail in the logo. The early steel barrels from the 20's were blued, not painted.

[LOKEY]

I did a light sanding and oiled the wood. I was not trying to get rid of the imperfections but I think it looks better. Before and after pics

[Hoosier Daddy]

BRAVO!
 I am a firm believer in leaving some dents and dings in vintage pieces when I am refinishing.
It not only adds character, it preserves THAT guns life history.
 IMHO your finish of choice and level of "restoration" is perfect!

[Goose]

That does look better! 

I like for a piece to still be able to tell its story.  Especially after it has been returned to service.

Ride on,

J~

[xcalibur]

Looking good. The pump lever should not look like a boomerang though.