Diana 350 .177 went off like a cannon-blast and smoke!

[phoebeisis]

Deeco

Did I see what i saw-the fellow shot a loaded Diana 350-out over a park from his balcony   IN BROAD DAYLIGHT?

Redfeather-you need to see the video Deeco-A MORON- posted.

The fellow in the video gave a little review of his Diana 350-some sounded like English-some was some other language-

Well he gave a good review-standing there on the balcony of a nice apt-flower pot with plant on balcony-looked to be typical USA city-

After the review he loads it-points it out over a park-and BAM- yes it smoked like heck-but more smoke coming out after the shot

And I sure as heck didn't do it    BROAD DAYLIGHT  pointing it a bit upward for maximun range-over a park? WHERE IN USA ?

The fellow was a young adult-in full control of his senses-not drunk-not a goofy teenage guy doing it egged on by his buddies-just a normal fellow

He was speaking a language-maybe indian subcontinent- but it was in USA-

I have seen plenty of pictures of men in the Middle East-shooting actual firearms-AKs-upwards-full mags let loose on crowded streets-broad daylight-no one looking for over head cover

But this guy was not speaking Arabic-I don't think-Hindi or Urdu maybe??


Redfeather-you get it-in surburbia USA-the days of shooting in backyard are gone-

Deeco where is that fellow-what USA city?

Thanks all

Charlie

[A moron]

I guess all i was after was to show  he shot his and blew all the smoke.. i assumed like yours did ( i guess).

Then the rest may show who got better gun rights ? Them or some of us?   Hmmmmm...

G0d bless America.

[Yogi]

Deeco

Did I see what i saw-the fellow shot a loaded Diana 350-out over a park from his balcony   IN BROAD DAYLIGHT?

Redfeather-you need to see the video Deeco-A MORON- posted.

The fellow in the video gave a little review of his Diana 350-some sounded like English-some was some other language-

Well he gave a good review-standing there on the balcony of a nice apt-flower pot with plant on balcony-looked to be typical USA city-

After the review he loads it-points it out over a park-and BAM- yes it smoked like heck-but more smoke coming out after the shot

And I sure as heck didn't do it    BROAD DAYLIGHT  pointing it a bit upward for maximun range-over a park? WHERE IN USA ?

The fellow was a young adult-in full control of his senses-not drunk-not a goofy teenage guy doing it egged on by his buddies-just a normal fellow

He was speaking a language-maybe indian subcontinent- but it was in USA-

I have seen plenty of pictures of men in the Middle East-shooting actual firearms-AKs-upwards-full mags let loose on crowded streets-broad daylight-no one looking for over head cover

But this guy was not speaking Arabic-I don't think-Hindi or Urdu maybe??


Redfeather-you get it-in surburbia USA-the days of shooting in backyard are gone-

Deeco where is that fellow-what USA city?

Thanks all

Charlie

Did not look like USA in the background.
I wish the NRA would get back to teaching firearm safety

-Y

[Denby95]

If you pause the video and look at the billboards, the phone numbers appear to be indian numbers and with indian names. Luckily, I do not believe thats in the US. Otherwise I'm sure we could pinpoint his location with the area code of those billboards and google maps and report him to the police. Last thing any of us need are more regulations on airguns because of dangerous behaving individuals.

[Yogi]

Also, seems like the dumb cluck really like the detonation.
With all the smoke it looked more like a ceremonial cannon than an airgun.

-Y

[RedFeather]

Quite a bit if oil on that breech. Smokey but not like a charcoal burner, lol. I'd say he's in India or maybe Pakistan. If you've watched any Bollywood movies, dialogue slips in and out of English. Kind of like Spanglish. Yes, he needs a good course in safe gun handling, especially break barrel. Or a good hand surgeon.

[subscriber]

Click on the video channel name.  Click on the about tab:  https://www.youtube.com/user/rakeshdangi199/about

Location: India


Shooting that 350 blindly over the tree is massively stupid.  Blindly being the operative word.  At that angle the pellet could hit someone and take out an eye 250 yards away: 

One can see cars on the road on the other side of the park.  That shot almost certainly reached whatever was beyond that road.  Despite being a wadcutter pellet.

Supposedly the power limit in India is 20 Joule; so a detuned 350.  Still, that shot probably went a lot faster due to dieseling.

[Denby95]

I reported the video for unsafe handling and discharge of projectiles in a public space. Will youtube take it down? probably not.

I do not care about what happens in India but youtube being an international platform, we don't need Americans learning unsafe airgun handling from these accessible sources.

[subscriber]

I reported the video for unsafe handling and discharge of projectiles in a public space. Will youtube take it down? probably not.

Near vertical "celebratory gunfire" seems to be very popular in some circles.  That is less risky to others than shooting at 30 degrees above the horizon.  Here, an airgun shoots into a cork made for the purpose of mimicking a firearm: 

[Denby95]

Yes, a short visit to sites like live leak will show you that type of behavior and many similar types of gun mishandling and behavior.

[phoebeisis]

Yeah you are right slipping in and out of Hindi I guess.

Funny because of quite a bit of English-and  a subject we are familiar with-I could follow what he was saying.

Yeah I noticed signs were in english-didn't notice the phone numbers.

There were a fair number of smallish motorcycles parked at a distance away-should have been a hint that it was far east.

I liked his presentation-pleasant guy-probably well versed in air guns.He has a big  following judging from the comments on u-tube.

Many folks wanting to buy the rifle-asa nearly as I could tell-as someone said here-India allows-no license- .177's of under 20 joules-14 ft lbs I guess-

14 ft lbs is waaaay over what the poor Brits get I think-actually pretty powerful-not sure what those HW 97 77 do-but probably about 14 ft lbs-so pretty powerful

14 ft lbs is 10 grains  800fps-stout  -safe bet there is a lively market in spring upgrades.

India has lots of talented people-doing various repairs-well-with minimal high tech gadgetry-just enough power devices to speed the work

I am sure they jackup those rifles.

The video had a notice-no hunting in India-Hindu and Buddist  beliefs I think.I don't hunt-brother does-he is here dropping hios dog off-on his way to a duck hunting trip

near La coast-Hackberry-guides work year round-hunting and  fishing-make a decent living when facilities aren't smashed by our hurricanes.He says they make more

as fishing guides-limited hunting season-maybe some fish are always "in season"

I liked the guys videos-the shot over park-a bit jarring- different culture-14 ft lbs-jacked by the oil-I wonder what the range is at that angle?? 300 meters??

I remember the warning on 40 grain long rifles "will shoot 1 mile" -been on the boxes waaaay back in late 1950's I think

[Yogi]

I just hate it when somebody abuses their tools.
And what he is doing is abusing his airgun.

-Y

[phoebeisis]

Subscriber

What in the world is that fellow doing?

Shooting into a cork-? He seems to have  "some gadget" attached to the muzzle-and it produces a "firearm" like noise?

Seems to be a flash also-some gunpowder extracted from fireworks maybe?perhaps has a primer lined up to set off powder?

He has some nice rifles-guessing this is a cheap one

[subscriber]

Charles,

If you browse the Indian fellow's other videos, two things become obvious:

1. He promotes or sells airguns.
2. That muzzle attachment is made for the Indian market.  It takes a "cork" that is loaded with some sort of blank primer and powder, for the purpose of making noise.  The expected use is to shoot it up into the air.  "Why", is a whole other matter.

So, that guy is not abusing his airgun when he shoots it with all that oil in the breech.  He is abusing some future buyer's airgun.  The Indian comments on youtube were "where can I get one"; and "how much does it cost?".  So, the clap and smoke when dieseling are seen as a plus; not "how does one make it less attention grabbing".

The attached screengrab image below provides some insight into Mr Dangi's beliefs about shooting into the air.  He seems to think that shooting straight up into the air is safe.  Also, because shooting at 30 degrees above the horizon is also "shooting into the air"; it too is "safe".

Fictional character, Austin Powers said, "danger is my middle name".  I wonder if Mr Dangi's last name is real, or a pseudonym.

Anyway, us discussing or criticizing a cultural "thing" here is likely to end poorly.  That is also why youtube is not likely to remove the video.  The term "gun safety" does not mean the same thing to all people.  Not even in the US.

[RedFeather]

Don't forget that, for every ten people who see these videos and cringe, there's always one who's thinking "Neat! I can't WAIT to try THAT!" I'm sure these birds are not typical of serious Indian airgunners. They have some good forums and I've corresponded with well informed, experienced people.

[phoebeisis]

Subscriber-thanks for the info.-so the fellow actually responds.

Well straight up is "safer" but not quite safe

Shooting at that angle-maybe the trajectory will be close to straight down but...

Annyone have any idea what the terminal velocity of a 9 grain .177 is- 100fps   150 fps??

If I was sleeping on my back-in a park-nasty way to wake up-pellet drilling into my soft eye.

Yeah tiny tiny chance-perhaps they are a bit more fatalistic in high population countries-Oh well

Redfeather-heh more than 1/10 would be interested in duplicating that-young people-males of course- 15 or so-have a different perspective

I bet a high percentage of young males would like to duplicate that-especially in places where they have never fired a firearm

I suspect firearms are diffcult to legally obtain in India-you have to be connected-like NYNY or Mass to own hand guns-difficult even where it is in theory legal

[subscriber]

Charles,

One can debate the accuracy of this 350 velocity data, but it may help illustrate a point:  https://www.straightshooters.com/ourtake/ourtake350.html

So, I took the velocity numbers from the above link for the 8.2 grain wadcutters.  Looked at the decay rate and extrapolated that to 300 yards.  I was actually generous in that based on the data to 50 yards the decay rate would have been steeper.

Anyway, the charts below are for the velocity and energy respectively.  If you can throw a tennis ball at 50 FPS, then perhaps you can throw a pellet at that speed (the rough equivalent of this pellet at 300 yards - calculated).  Would such a pellet sting someone's skin? Could it cause an eye injury? 

Another discussion some months ago had data suggesting eye injury was likely at over 1 FPE.  Obviously it depends on how sharp the object is. 

The Diana user manual has a table suggesting the dangerous distances for a number of its air rifles:  https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/DIANA_Breakbarrel-and-underlever-manuals_EN_Air_Venturi_2018.pdf

I notice that neither the shape, weight or caliber are taken into account for each model's danger range.   I may be wrong, but suspect that the actual range where a pellet strike would cause an injury is half that given.  That the distance is "doubled" because people can't estimate range, and we want to avoid testing the answer "live".  This is the same reason why a .22 rimfire ammo box states "dangerous to 1 mile" on the box.  If you look into the distance, where is a mile; or half a mile?   Margin of safety is better than an under estimation; every time.

[dtdtdtdt]

Hatcher's Notebook discusses bullet penetration related to velocity.  The bullets at closer range are still moving so fast at close range that they begin to tear apart on impact.  So this has been tested and as stated before, they aren't faster 100 yards down range.

Way off the topic of air rifles but: 

Of course, the bullets/pellets, footballs, baseballs etc slow down in flight without additional acceleration like an airplane or rocket.  The bullet tip certainly will heat up a bit because of the friction resistance of the air that adds too the heat transferred to the bullet by the friction of going through the barrel.  I personally have picked up ricocheted bullets that are quite hot.  The bullets don't tear apart in air but do break up when hitting something hard because of the violent tumbling.

Hatcher's Notebook shows pictures of oak wood shot at 50' and 200yds with a standard 30/06 bullet.  The penetration of the short range shot showed that the bullet tumbled in the wood and only penetrated 16" or so while at 200yds it penetrated nearly 30".  The cause had nothing to do with friction or heat but stability of the bullet in flight.  It takes a bit of time for the bullet to quit wobbling in flight and settle down.  If it hits something before its spin stabilizes it will tumble.  After stabilization it flies pretty straight.  Remember a bullet shot at 2700f/s from a barrel with a twist of 1 in 12" (like the Springfield and other 30/06 have)) is spinning at about 2700revolutions/second as it exits the barrel. That rotation continues at nearly that speed until it hits something. 

All this has to do with bullet stabilization related to the spin rate imparted by the barrel. M16 was famous for tumbling because of slow twist rate initially used and the short 55gr bullet oringally used.  The bullet didn't explode they wobbled and tumbled.  If you want to see a demonstration of this,  google bullet spinning on ice.  There are several videos showing bullets spinning like tops when shot into a ice surface.  One showed an AK47 bullet spinning on its tip that took over a minute to stop spinning. 

[Yogi]

Charles,

If you browse the Indian fellow's other videos, two things become obvious:

1. He promotes or sells airguns.
2. That muzzle attachment is made for the Indian market.  It takes a "cork" that is loaded with some sort of blank primer and powder, for the purpose of making noise.  The expected use is to shoot it up into the air.  "Why", is a whole other matter.

So, that guy is not abusing his airgun when he shoots it with all that oil in the breech.  He is abusing some future buyer's airgun.  The Indian comments on youtube were "where can I get one"; and "how much does it cost?".  So, the clap and smoke when dieseling are seen as a plus; not "how does one make it less attention grabbing".

The attached screengrab image below provides some insight into Mr Dangi's beliefs about shooting into the air.  He seems to think that shooting straight up into the air is safe.  Also, because shooting at 30 degrees above the horizon is also "shooting into the air"; it too is "safe".

Fictional character, Austin Powers said, "danger is my middle name".  I wonder if Mr Dangi's last name is real, or a pseudonym.

Anyway, us discussing or criticizing a cultural "thing" here is likely to end poorly.  That is also why youtube is not likely to remove the video.  The term "gun safety" does not mean the same thing to all people.  Not even in the US.

Maybe you could convince Mr. Dangi to shoot himself to prove that it is safe and unharmful.

-Y

PS maybe straight down into his sandal clad foot.

[phoebeisis]

Oh-you guys don't think I suggested this was safe??

I was stunned when I saw him let thast shot loose over the park-crazy

And the horizontal velocity might be "just" 50 fps

But he is aiming up-the vertical velocity-terminal velocity-might be well over 50 fps-not that 50 fps from a pointy lead pellet-is harmless in the eye-

It might very well puncture your eye-depending on if it was open or lidded

Kinda puzzled that the fellow-RAKESH- responded and thought it was completely safe??

I get the feeling he is SERIOUS-not just lying to cover up but actually believes that?

The cut below is based on ancient-HATCHER work-if a .30 only gets to 300 fps-pellet will be much less-maybe just 50 fps-but 50fps-in a kids eye-open eye-enough to damage it


As a result of these obstacles, the experimental results are mixed. Hatcher calculated that his .30-caliber rifle bullets reached terminal velocity—the speed at which air resistance balances the accelerating force of gravity—at 300 feet per second. You might die from a bullet moving at that speed, but it’s unlikely. Lighter bullets, like those fired from a 9mm handgun, max out at even lower speeds, between 150 and 250 feet per second, according to computer models.