Author Topic: NOE 250-27-RF (Read 9320 times))

EdinGa · « **Reply #100 on:** July 20, 2021, 11:19:55 PM »

Quote from: Madd Hatter on July 20, 2021, 11:09:28 PM

I just tried these in my sentry and it's all over the place. To be fair it wasn't bench rested but resting on the rail of the porch with me sitting in a chair. Just the forend resting on the rail.

Same experience I'm having. There's definitely an issue with these molds. I just bought a Lyman dial thermometer off ebay. We'll see if it helps. I don't have much hope because I've been casting for years without one.

Madd Hatter · « **Reply #101 on:** July 20, 2021, 11:31:23 PM »

I used both a pot temp gauge and a mold temp gage. The pot was set at 750f and the mold was up to 330f. The mold just plain isn't right and I think WE need to get ahold of Al and let him know. If I was shooting a.25 cal aspen or avenger it probably would work just fine but other .25 must have a little larger bore. If the mold would've been machined to the drawing dimentions there probably wouldn't be any problem.

EdinGa · « **Reply #102 on:** July 20, 2021, 11:44:02 PM »

Quote from: Madd Hatter on July 20, 2021, 11:31:23 PM

I used both a pot temp gauge and a mold temp gage. The pot was set at 750f and the mold was up to 330f. The mold just plain isn't right and I think WE need to get ahold of Al and let him know. If I was shooting a.25 cal aspen or avenger it probably would work just fine but other .25 must have a little larger bore. If the mold would've been machined to the drawing dimentions there probably wouldn't be any problem.

Looks like there's at least 3 of us with the same problem so far.

Madd Hatter · « **Reply #103 on:** July 21, 2021, 12:01:08 AM »

I'm going to see what my sentry does with some H&N cudas tomarrow. If I don't get shot gun patern then it's definently the mold not machined per the drawing.

brewbear · « **Reply #104 on:** July 21, 2021, 12:30:29 AM »

It seems that at least some of the molds have issues. I'm following the thread and see if Al will respond, hopefully he does.

Nvreloader · « **Reply #105 on:** July 21, 2021, 12:56:44 AM »

Guys

Can I ask a question?

When did you buy your mold?
You can go the NOE site and check on your orders, will have a date when bought etc.

Don

Wayne52 · « **Reply #106 on:** July 21, 2021, 05:33:00 AM »

I bought mine in Sept of 2018 Don.

EdinGa · « **Reply #107 on:** July 21, 2021, 07:43:24 AM »

Quote from: Nvreloader on July 21, 2021, 12:56:44 AM

Guys

Can I ask a question?

When did you buy your mold?
You can go the NOE site and check on your orders, will have a date when bought etc.

Don

I got mine a week ago..

Greg_E · « **Reply #108 on:** July 21, 2021, 10:16:26 AM »

Mine was a week ago.

Madd Hatter · « **Reply #109 on:** July 21, 2021, 12:39:47 PM »

Mine was in the last year

scion19801 · « **Reply #110 on:** July 21, 2021, 02:14:12 PM »

9-18-20 for my second one, 5-11-20 on the first that got messed up

EdinGa · « **Reply #111 on:** July 21, 2021, 03:08:24 PM »

Quote from: scion19801 on July 21, 2021, 02:14:12 PM

9-18-20 for my second one, 5-11-20 on the first that got messed up

This mold was a replacement for another bad mold I got too. I've talked to Al at least once a month since December and I feel like I'm going in circles.

I sat here and measured quite a few. Most are dropping .252 and the biggest I've found is .254

JimD · « **Reply #112 on:** July 21, 2021, 04:16:17 PM »

I got mine two weeks ago. I was out of town all last week so most of what I've done with it has been this week.

I tried increasing the size of the skirts today but did not get much better results. It may have been my crude attempt, however. I cut a 1 inch cube of cherry wood, bored a 13/64 hole for a 1/4 coarse thread bolt, then a 17/64 shallow hole for the pellet so it would protrude about 1/16 inch. I took a 1/4 bolt and cut the head off, ground a taper on one end similar to the skirt inside taper, then cut off about 3/4 inch of the threaded part, cut a slot in the non-tapered end, and turned the resulting pin into the wood block (which was tapped first with 1/4 coarse threads). I can make pellets with skirts at least up to about .260 with this and I did. But none of them shot well. I mostly made pellets with skirts from about .255 to .259 which is similar to what I measured on the FX pellets my Avenger really likes. I tried regulator settings from 2100 to about 2400. I did not measure the velocity but I think it was probably from about 850 to over 900 fps. I tried multiple hammer spring settings. I got occasional 1 inch groups but others were up to 2 inches - at 30 meters.

My ground bolt may be too crude a way to shove the skirts out. The way I am doing it also shortens the pellet slightly and that may be an issue. But the bottom line is it did not work.

I haven't shot them yet at 25 yards but I'm guessing they might group well enough to reliably hit a squirrels head at that distance - maybe. But my gun shoots half inch or better at 30 meters with FX 25.4s or JSB Heavies. I am running out of both, however, and was hoping these cast would shoot well enough to get me by, at least, until I can get more. They don't. But maybe one of you will come up with a fix.

JimD · « **Reply #113 on:** July 22, 2021, 03:44:43 PM »

I called NOE this morning. They agreed 1.5-2 inch groups were not what we should be expecting. They asked me to send them my mold and some pellets which I did. I will post the results of this. I am optimistic I will still get good accuracy out of my cast pellets.

EdinGa · « **Reply #114 on:** July 22, 2021, 04:12:59 PM »

Quote from: JimD on July 22, 2021, 03:44:43 PM

I called NOE this morning. They agreed 1.5-2 inch groups were not what we should be expecting. They asked me to send them my mold and some pellets which I did. I will post the results of this. I am optimistic I will still get good accuracy out of my cast pellets.

He needs to send out a recall on all these molds. I'm getting 4 inch groups if don't flare the skirts and even then I get fliers.

Madd Hatter · « **Reply #115 on:** July 22, 2021, 06:44:28 PM »

Quote from: JimD on July 22, 2021, 03:44:43 PM

I called NOE this morning. They agreed 1.5-2 inch groups were not what we should be expecting. They asked me to send them my mold and some pellets which I did. I will post the results of this. I am optimistic I will still get good accuracy out of my cast pellets.

Thanks 😊 I tested back to back my hunter pellets and my h&n cudas and got the same results. Did some trigger work and will check it out. The shirts are to small of a diamiter.

Greg_E · « **Reply #116 on:** July 30, 2021, 10:26:56 PM »

Finally got some time to cast with this. Had to pressure pour it to get the skirts to fill out... This produces a little bit of a fin around the bottom of the skirts (both cavities). I was casting "pure" lead, might be better with some tin, but tin makes stuff expensive so I was hoping to avoid it. Have to try either 40:1 or 20:1, 20:1 has fixed fill out problems with other molds.

And then the really bad news... Yup most of these have a .250 to .252 skirt, but generally only in one direction, 90 degrees and I get the fin so hard to measure. if anyone has been in touch with Al, and has return info, please post what he wants so that all of us don't need to bug him, I'm guessing I'll want to return mine, same as others.

Ed I was going to send you some, but with these measurements they are not going to be better than what you are casting. I'll see what happens when I mix in some tin and if they get better, I'll get some to you.

Mine is the 2 cavity aluminum version.

EdinGa · « **Reply #117 on:** July 30, 2021, 11:09:02 PM »

Quote from: Greg_E on July 30, 2021, 10:26:56 PM

Finally got some time to cast with this. Had to pressure pour it to get the skirts to fill out... This produces a little bit of a fin around the bottom of the skirts (both cavities). I was casting "pure" lead, might be better with some tin, but tin makes stuff expensive so I was hoping to avoid it. Have to try either 40:1 or 20:1, 20:1 has fixed fill out problems with other molds.

And then the really bad news... Yup most of these have a .250 to .252 skirt, but generally only in one direction, 90 degrees and I get the fin so hard to measure. if anyone has been in touch with Al, and has return info, please post what he wants so that all of us don't need to bug him, I'm guessing I'll want to return mine, same as others.

Ed I was going to send you some, but with these measurements they are not going to be better than what you are casting. I'll see what happens when I mix in some tin and if they get better, I'll get some to you.

Mine is the 2 cavity aluminum version.

I talked to him and he said I was the 3rd one to call with the same issue. He told me to send it back, but I understand now that he's having covid issues with some of his staff, so I'm going to hold off for awhile before I send mine in. I did go ahead and order the 249-39 slug mold so I would at least have something to play with in .25 cal while I wait.

JimD · « **Reply #118 on:** July 31, 2021, 11:59:53 AM »

I thought about bugging him yesterday but held off. I will be helping with the craft part of our vacation bible school next week so I would have limited time to play with my mold if they sent it back. I will probably call late next week.

In the meantime, I ordered some transfer ports for my Prod to play with. I drilled out the original to .1015 thinking I had tried turning the hammer spring all the way up when I really had not. So I will go back to .080 and may try .096 (or whatever drill bit I have in-between). I know I like a velocity of about 750 fps in this gun (9 one shot kills of squirrels and counting) but I am interested to know if I can get there with a .080 transfer port and, if so, shot count and accuracy. Nothing really wrong with .1015 but I find it fun to investigate (i.e. mess around). Discovered just today 5.25 turns shoots smaller groups than 5, 4 4/4 or 5.5 turns. First 1/4 inch group at 33 yards with this gun.

I was disappointed in my Avengers groups with FTT pellets (its a 25) and Grizzly slugs. Then I tried JSB Kings and King heavies. Then I tried FX 25.4 (made by JSB). 1/4 inch groups at 33 yards are now occurring with regularity. FTT are not as bad as my cast were but groups were more like 1 inch. Unfortunately I cannot find more FX or JSB pellets in 25 caliber right now. Really hoping my mold comes back working well. 1 inch groups could be usable in a pinch and if I can cast pellets that shoot into 1/2 inch or smaller groups I will have a greatly reduced interest in buying pellets for this gun.

EdinGa · « **Reply #119 on:** July 31, 2021, 12:09:38 PM »

See if you can find some AA 25.4s. I'm pretty sure they are the same as the JSBs and FXs.

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