NOE 250-27-RF

[Wayne52]

I think they probably are close to the same as JSB, I've never bought any FX pellets so I couldn't say about them. 

[EdinGa]

I think they probably are close to the same as JSB, I've never bought any FX pellets so I couldn't say about them.

My Flashpup sure likes them, so I buy them when I see them. If I can get my mold issues straightened out then I won't have to worry about it anymore.

[Greg_E]

Unless I'm remembering wrong JSB makes FX and AA pellets. They claim alloy and shape are slightly different which makes them different pellets, I have not compared and measured. Most people report different shooting characteristics so that would suggest they are really slightly different.

One thing I like about H&N is that they list power and distance for each pellet. When something is only rated for 35 meters, you can't really expect 100 meter performance. If other manufacturers do this, I've not looked hard enough to see it.

[EdinGa]

My Flashpup shoots the AA 25.4s really well at 100, so figure I'll just stick with them. When I realized how much it liked them, I stocked up. Now I just need mold that will do the same.

[Greg_E]

I measured the head and I'm seeing right around .250 at 4 different points, so it seems just the skirts are out of spec. I guess this deserves a little more inspection to figure out what is happening and why.

[EdinGa]

I measured the head and I'm seeing right around .250 at 4 different points, so it seems just the skirts are out of spec. I guess this deserves a little more inspection to figure out what is happening and why.

Wayne started a thread about the 34 grain mold he has. There is some good discussion in it. Looks like worn tooling on this batch of molds.

[K.O.]

Hi Ed once again I regret we do not live close... I have the 250-34 Mag 2 cavity brass... with not a lot of testing and a visual sort(no weighing) was getting 3/4" groups at 45-50 yards out of one of my Mrods the other did not have leade work and did not like them...It liked every thing decently and was outstanding with JSB kings. both disliked the Benjamin domed until leade work now both like the Benji also (in one a very close second to the JSB Kings)...have to cast and test some more to see if the leade work helped the second with the 250-34 also...  just have not been doing a lot for the last 6-8 months... and the 30g BBT sort of dominated(it's fun when they do well to very well in 5 rifles)...

well point is I have read that some of the Hatsan barrel have benafited from leade work that it is not always up to snuff...With my Mrods I think it was because of no leade just hard edged rifling... it cut into the harder Benji pellets instead of swaging them into the rifling... Think it is the same with the 250-34 they work pretty well out of the barrel with a leade and shot gunned some out of the barrel with no leade... the skirts on mine are a bit thicker/stiffer imo than most pellets... 

Now with the improvement to your groups by expending skirts... well that may contradict that but you never know the leade could be a contributing factor with some pellets...

with the Hatsan barrels being at/close to L.W. spec (254 bore/ 248 groove) well even with small skirts there is good engagement... and at 2000-3000 psi I bet the skirts do blow out a bit..?   I do know a good leade can make a big difference with some pellets... sometime it just helps a little or improves pellet pickiness... have not checked the lead on my AT long .22 yet though..    

Both my Mrods are ~.2497 bore and .252 groove... when Bob was making the design for the BBT I was saying they were .250/252... well now using my sizing dies one is .2497 ish and the other is .250 in conjunction with my caliper... well can call it a tight .250 bore...  point is... sounds like the small skirt just might work in tighter groove barrels like a Mrod .25.. as long as head size was .250 or slightly larger? 

If it were not for our East/West geographical thing...I am pretty sure some collaboration could prove useful and enjoyable...

I got my first Crosman/Benji that did not need leade work this year... took a look at my Maximus .177 when I had to take a look to make sure it was straight... was treated rough in shipping... despite crosman double boxing decently it arrived with the barrel pointing off to the right side and damage to the Maximus box... only thing permanent is it caused a small bit of elongating to the divot for the barrel band grub screw...

Hope things are going well down there... it has literally been an inferno here out west...



 

[K.O.]

Ah wait... small skirt gets cut one side(possibly leaving fins..?)... Expanded skirt gets cut more equally...

 

 

[K.O.]

single load a few and push them back out...see what they look like... not saying the leade is THE problem...just like to cover bases... and brain storm/sprinkle some..

[EdinGa]

Hi Kirby, it's good to hear from you!

I just acquired a lead thermometer, so I'm planning to try my mold again once this heat wave breaks. As it is now, I can't sit outside without sweating profusely, so I dare not fire up the lead pots. I have always run my Lee 10lb pots between 4 and 5 on the dial without any issues. That seems to work well on my 250-22-WC mold, but it is brass and not aluminum like this 4 cavity. We'll see how it goes.

At least one of my cavities seems to be dropping skirts as small as .251 and at last count there seems to be a half dozen or so having the same issues with their new molds. I spoke with Al and he said I was the 3rd person who had called with the same problem.

I'm not opposed to pulling my barrel and working on the leade, but this little bullpup was been a real shooter since I took it out of the box. It shoots slugs and several different brands of pellets well.

[EdinGa]

I just chambered a a couple and pushed them back out. They chambered easily and if the process left any marks at all, I can't see it.

[K.O.]

well sounds like it is probably not a leade prob... but would check on a few with expanded skirts also just to see what I get...

I think would chuck up a piece of .25 dowel in the drill press and then angle the end slightly greater angle than skirt to try expanding skirts consistently that way..?

[EdinGa]

well sounds like it is probably not a leade prob... but would check on a few with expanded skirts also just to see what I get...

I think would chuck up a piece of .25 dowel in the drill press and then angle the end slightly greater angle than skirt to try expanding skirts consistently that way..?

I'm going to use the thermometer and make sure I'm casting around 800 degrees to see if that helps. I've experimented with expanding the skirts and had some success, but I'm still getting crazy fliers. I don't want to give up, but I do have a 249-39 slug mold coming. If they shoot well, I might just send this one back for a refund.

[K.O.]

I just chambered a a couple and pushed them back out. They chambered easily and of the process left any marks at all, I can't see it.

 

wow wonder what land height is... a lot of folks have said the Hatsan barrels are L.W. clones as far as specs... at .248 should have been some marking on the skirt..? Have no Idea what the Hatsan chamber/leade is like could be a long chamber..?

[EdinGa]

Just looking into the chamber I can't see any rifling,but there isn't much room. I should probably pull the barrel. I know it shoots the AA 25.4s very well and the skirts on them are between .258-260.

[K.O.]

If the 249-39 was a .250 or larger(so could size down) would be all over it... if it was available when $ match wants..

on that style of round  my more tightly choked .25 rod likes the H&N Grizzly... they seem to be .0002 under land size .2495"...
that barrel is choked to about .2487 ish the looser choke mrod is about .2493 ...pic of loosly shot groups below... Kings shot highest... Jumbo 34g to the left and best... Grizzly hit lowest and the one to the right is not a flier ... aim point for it was even with horiz bar of cross  under  K in word kings... do not know if it was luck... but that is where I though it would...
 without lube the griz do bad... have to head out for a while to deliver bed frame to son... back in a while...

[EdinGa]

If the 249-39 was a .250 or larger(so could size down) would be all over it... if it was available when $ match wants..

on that style of round  my more tightly choked .25 rod likes the H&N Grizzly... they seem to be .0002 under land size .2495"...
that barrel is choked to about .2487 ish the looser choke mrod is about .2493 ...pic of loosly shot groups below... Kings shot highest... Jumbo 34g to the left and best... Grizzly hit lowest and the one to the right is not a flier ... aim point for it was even with horiz bar of cross  under  K in word kings... do not know if it was luck... but that is where I though it would...
 without lube the griz do bad... have to head out for a while to deliver bed frame to son... back in a while...

I can add some diameter by powder coating them. I'm not sure if it be enough but that's the plan anyway.

[Greg_E]

I was casting at around 800 degrees so that may not help.

[K.O.]

you would think running the griz so loose would not work but sometimes what should not does...even with the naked eye have to get light right to see land marks even fainter on other side... they are that loose...

[EdinGa]

I was casting at around 800 degrees so that may not help.

  I really don't think it will help either. I'm pretty sure this entire run of molds is bad.