DAR poll

[Rick67]

I regret purchasing my .25, wish I had put that money toward something better.

I think the Maximathor was a much better deal.

German vs Chinese for about the same price; the former being on sale for so low a price.

I bought the Rotek and I like the finish very much--my compliments coming from myself who is a staunch critic where finish is concerned.

I do not like the mushy trigger though but I will modify it when I am in the mood, lol!

Never aired mine up, and I just put it back in the box to let it slumber for a century, lol again!

[Bob Pratl]

I regret purchasing my .25, wish I had put that money toward something better.

Brad, just curious, what are the features/quality that turned you off of the DAR?

[SILENT SQUIRREL]

Intrigued by this thread I explored the rifles on the DAR website.
Clicking on the specifications I was surprised to read  "Barrel Profile ...Smooth".

This is not meant to be a criticism of the design
I'm not knowledgeable enough.

Please enlighten me

Thanks
Ed

[Back_Roads]

 Well they are rifled, and not rough like some cheap barrels I have encountered.

[RDB]

What do you think the DAR .22 reg pressure may be set at ?  As it is using 14.3 gr JSB's I'm getting 941 FPS Avg , ES 5.2 and SD 1.00.

Rod is correct about how easy it is to figure out by shooting a long shot string till there is a kink in the sequence. 

Based on my assumed reg pressure for my .177, after applying fuzzy math, your .22 has a reg pressure of 1550 PSI.  Better to shoot a sting and find out...

i,LL hand pump it up tommorow and shot across the chrony.....thanks.

Curious to what you found out.

[crazyhorse1]

Right at 130 Bar...interesting is i took a noise reading with my Dupont MK-3 Dosimeter and it was 80.3 dba. Meter was 6 feet in front of muzzle.

[Ed24]

Have the .177 and for the money its hard to beat. It's light, accurate and quite. The wood stock is also a big plus. The only thing is the .177 out of the box shoots a bit on the hot side with not a lot of adjustment with the stock spring. A few of us are working on a better spring for more range of adjustment. I have mine shooting 10gr jsb at 870fps with good results. I would say it's a keeper!!!

[Dan H]

I regret purchasing my .25, wish I had put that money toward something better.

I think the Maximathor was a much better deal.

German vs Chinese for about the same price; the former being on sale for so low a price.

I bought the Rotek and I like the finish very much--my compliments coming from myself who is a staunch critic where finish is concerned.

I do not like the mushy trigger though but I will modify it when I am in the mood, lol!

Never aired mine up, and I just put it back in the box to let it slumber for a century, lol again!

Yep !   I bought 2 of the Walther's  MaximaThor .25 guns ....1st was $330  ,and 2nd was$310 had to use 2 different discount codes to get it lower than the $388 sale price , and you are of course right , but really the gun is ,and 800 buck gun ,and a darn good one at that price ,and it has that German materials /finish  bluing is 2nd to none , and Italian Menilli stock is very nice ... if you got one on that cyber sale like I did you really lucked out , that was the best buy on this years holiday  sales from what I seen ....

I also have 2 DAR GUNS !  .22 / .25  ...   ... The Dar has a different  nitch , its short light VERY accurate , aluminum mags on the DAR are so much nicer than the plastic ones , you can tell they really refined this gen 2 DAR , and it really checks all the boxes in my mind , to me it's the best out there in the lower price range in design ,and quality ... my brother shot my .22 the next day he ordered 1 ...    1 shooting session he was hooked !   .... .....    it's all my fault ! LOL ! ...  

[BTair]

Brad, just curious, what are the features/quality that turned you off of the DAR?

My biggest compliant is the trigger. I'm not someone who is super picky about triggers (shot plenty of cheap crossman break barrels and got used to those triggers), but this one is borderline ridiculous, making it impossible to get tight groups. The adjustment screw does very little, and I'm hesitant to take it apart without a schematic. There's something weird going on with it though, as when I cock the gun, sometimes it's smooth and almost effortless, and the next time it cocks noticeably harder.

I also had a problem with pellets clipping the end cap. After reinstalling the shroud and baffles, and tightening that internal treaded piece at the end of the baffle stack, it seems to have eliminated that problem, but I still get occasional flyers.

Also not happy with the shot count. Pushing 25g pellets at ~860fps, I feel it should get more than 14-16 good shots.

Overall the gun just feels big and clunky. If I can get the trigger/cocking issue sorted out, I may like it better, but so far wishing I had put that money toward an Air Arms or Daystate, as I'm tired of dealing with cheap guns.

[SILENT SQUIRREL]

Well they are rifled, and not rough like some cheap barrels I have encountered.

Thanks, James
Maybe it's a typo or perhaps the note refers to the exterior of the barrel.
Ed

[crazyhorse1]

The barrels are "heavier" than typical air gun barrels...

[Dan H]

Brad, just curious, what are the features/quality that turned you off of the DAR?

My biggest compliant is the trigger. I'm not someone who is super picky about triggers (shot plenty of cheap crossman break barrels and got used to those triggers), but this one is borderline ridiculous, making it impossible to get tight groups. The adjustment screw does very little, and I'm hesitant to take it apart without a schematic. There's something weird going on with it though, as when I cock the gun, sometimes it's smooth and almost effortless, and the next time it cocks noticeably harder.

I also had a problem with pellets clipping the end cap. After reinstalling the shroud and baffles, and tightening that internal treaded piece at the end of the baffle stack, it seems to have eliminated that problem, but I still get occasional flyers.

Also not happy with the shot count. Pushing 25g pellets at ~860fps, I feel it should get more than 14-16 good shots.

Overall the gun just feels big and clunky. If I can get the trigger/cocking issue sorted out, I may like it better, but so far wishing I had put that money toward an Air Arms or Daystate, as I'm tired of dealing with cheap guns.

I have ,and easy fix for triggers , take the stock off there is a rectangle hole in the back of the trigger housing I will call it , if you use a light so you can see in there , cock the gun and you can see the sear mech in gage into the hammer , if you take a small dab of grease using a long thin allen wrench to reach it ,and put it on that sear engagement piece then work the trigger cocking the gun holding the side lever so the gun does not fire about 200 times or so , then put another very small   dab of synthetic grease on it again  , this will break the 2 surfaces into each other ...

 after this you should have a trigger like what I have which is pretty good on my .25 ,  the .22 has a lighter hammer spring so it will even be a bit better than the .25 ....  here is a pic of the rectangle opening you have to go threw to apply grease ...

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Another tip for the trigger, you can adjust it with the screw accessible through the trigger guard and can get it to where it's very light.  The problem is that screw does not hold it's setting with the vibration from shooting the rifle and will eventually no longer catch.  I backed this adjustment screw out about 4 full turns, added a drop of blue locktite and then set the adjustment again to where I want it, and it's holding good now. 

[Smbob]

I have a DAR Gen II .25  I love it. I would get a Gen II .22 without hesitation.

[Dan H]

Another tip for the trigger, you can adjust it with the screw accessible through the trigger guard and can get it to where it's very light.  The problem is that screw does not hold it's setting with the vibration from shooting the rifle and will eventually no longer catch.  I backed this adjustment screw out about 4 full turns, added a drop of blue locktite and then set the adjustment again to where I want it, and it's holding good now.

Blue locktite works great for stuff like this , I did adjust that screw on the trigger adjustment threw the hole on the trigger guard a bit , clockwise till it stops ,and you can't cock the gun- then 2 1/2 turns counter clockwise at that point the gun clicks /cocks good with a minimum trigger travel ,....

 to start off with i un screwed the trigger screw 5 turns counter clockwise then a drop of blue locktite on the threads then tighten all the way up clockwise then adjusted as mentioned ...

what ever you guys do make sure the cocking lever is shut to the magnet all the way closed , after cocking the gun .... if the gun fires off with the lever pulled back a bit after cocking it can blow the o ring that is in the barrel close to the mag that seals the pellet probe off .... OH ask me how I know this ....    cause playing around with the trigger adjustments today I did just that blew that o ring out ,  over the probe ,

I put a new one back in after not getting the original o ring  back in correctly and tearing it a bit .... so off came the barrel for the second attempt ,and I was successful ,  if you remove the barrel band put a little bit of silicone grease on the shroud and make sure you remove the end cap cause there is a micro size o ring in the barrel band shroud part ....  if you dont lube it all up when taking off or putting it back on it will try to slide out from under the band as you are trying to position the barrel band  .... 

[Duckster]

I'm seriously considering one of these DAR rifles - maybe .177, but more than likely the .22.

There appears to be a threaded cap on the end of the barrel where a moderator could be attached. Is this so ? Has anyone installed a moderator?

[subscriber]

There appears to be a threaded cap on the end of the barrel where a moderator could be attached. Is this so ? Has anyone installed a moderator?

There is a female thread when you unscrew the endcap. For pics of the threads, click on this thread link:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=179804.msg156061611#msg156061611 

I know someone had a custom adaptor made in a DAR thread I viewed recently:

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=179804.0

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146178.0

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=144959.0

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Yep, I added a DonnyFL Tanto and also swapped the baffles for some Rocker! Baffles!  It's super quiet now!

[RDB]

Ordered some 20mm carbon fiber tube. Going to build a shroud an inch or 2 longer and see I can hush it up a little more.

[wendy]

I ordered the 177 DAR and had a few issues right off from the start. The cocking lever screw would not stay tight, after a few times coming loose, I put some blue Loctite on the treads. The second issue I could not figure out why it would not group. Then I got my light and looked into the muzzle. Baffles out of alignment, pellet clipping! I solved that problem and waiting for a shroud adapter for a moderator as I did not want to bore the standard shroud cap. The hole in it is too small I feel. Any way it groups tight now but I'm not finished with it yet. More later but you got to love a cheap gun when improvements can make it better. Sooting the 8.44"s with a standard deviation of 2, 30 yards is all I got room for.