46M available from Pyramid

[Stinger177]

Yes, Alter; my Baikal has a one piece cocking lever, rather than the two pieces riveted together on earlier Izhmash pistols.  Is that three rivet pistol a 46 or 46M?

Was wondering the same thing.

My 46M has the three rivets as seen above.

I'm searching for some 46 (non-M) pics to see if they are any different.

 

[Frank in Fairfield]

Another look:

[Frank in Fairfield]

Yes, Alter; my Baikal has a one piece cocking lever, rather than the two pieces riveted together on earlier Izhmash pistols.  Is that three rivet pistol a 46 or 46M?

Was wondering the same thing.

My 46M has the three rivets as seen above.

I'm searching for some 46 (non-M) pics to see if they are any different.

 

Motorhead has a 46
And the 46 had three rivets and a shorter compression tube..

[7624452]

46M, same as previously sold by Pyramyd.  I just noticed that the one currently sold by Krale has the same appearance as the AV-46M, so it might be the same.  The manual at Krale, has the AV logo on it.

[Stinger177]

Another look:

Frank - Those lam grips look awesome!!

Where did you get them?

 

[7624452]

IZH-46

[Stinger177]

IZH-46

Vielen Dank!!


I also found this showing the differences between the Baikal 46 and 46M.

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/11/izh-46m-target-pistol-part-1/


 

[subscriber]

Thanks Alter and Dennis

I am pretty sure the functional inside dimensions are the same for the 46M versions, despite the obvious external differences: 

I modeled my Baikal MP-46M in Solidworks to figure out how it works:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153475.0

Here is the three rivet model taken apart.  I am pretty sure it is identical to my 2+ year old version with the one piece cocking lever:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153388.msg155687765#msg155687765

[Stinger177]

Thanks Alter and Dennis

I am pretty sure the functional inside dimensions are the same for the 46M versions, despite the obvious external differences: 

I modeled my Baikal MP-46M in Solidworks to figure out how it works:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153475.0

Here is the three rivet model taken apart.  I am pretty sure it is identical to my 2+ year old version with the one piece cocking lever:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153388.msg155687765#msg155687765

Thanks Subs,

I have yet to get inside my 46M, nor do I see a need to in the near future, even after 15 years of occasional shooting!!

However, if I ever feel the need to, I know who to contact!!

Nochmals vielen Dank!!

 

[subscriber]

Bitte!

[Stinger177]

Bitte!

Oder vielleicht hätte ich angesichts des Themas einer russischen Pistole sagen sollen

«Большое спасибо» !!

 

[7624452]

I think the one Krale is selling may be from the same source as the AV.  Aren't the ones from the kalashnikov cartel banned from import ?

[Stinger177]

I think the one Krale is selling may be from the same source as the AV.  Aren't the ones from the kalashnikov cartel banned from import ?

Yes. They have been for some years now, which is why the suspicion arises of these new AV's being built from various parts and pieces.

I was totally blindsided by the similarity in the Krale offerings vs. the AV's.

Thank God 7624452 pointed that out.

I literally almost bought one from Krale the other night!!

What was I thinking?? I already have one!!!

 

[subscriber]

I think the one Krale is selling may be from the same source as the AV.  Aren't the ones from the kalashnikov cartel banned from import ?

The AV pistol maker has been mentioned.  Either on this forum, or a PA blog.   It is not Baikal or Izhmash.

Importing the Baikal pistol may be banned directly from Russia.  It may be banned technically from Holland.  Practically, many since mine have arrived in the US without any trouble.  Perhaps Baikals are not banned because they are the sporting gun division of Izhmash:  https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/IZHMEKH

[subscriber]

Sneaky and weird:  PA have hidden the blog about the original 46M.   The link still exists, but has "trashed" as a suffix.  If you search for 46M in PA's main search bar, then select blog posts, you get only the AV version.  However, if you are in blog posts, and search from there you can still find the "trashed" posts.  This is silly marketing strategy, at best...

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/11/__trashed/

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/12/the-av-46m-single-stroke-pneumatic-match-air-pistol-part-3/

[Stinger177]

I think the one Krale is selling may be from the same source as the AV.  Aren't the ones from the kalashnikov cartel banned from import ?

The AV pistol maker has been mentioned.  Either on this forum, or a PA blog.   It is not Baikal or Izhmash.

Importing the Baikal pistol may be banned directly from Russia.  It may be banned technically from Holland.  Practically, many since mine have arrived in the US without any trouble.  Perhaps Baikals are not banned because they are the sporting gun division of Izhmash:  https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/IZHMEKH

Subs - You are too cool for school!

Thank you for that link.

The rumor that I read (somewhere, years ago) was that the reason Baikal airguns were banned from importation was simply that they were made in the same plant as Baikal firearms. Again, that was just what I read.

I don't want to get off-topic here, but there is a certain eBay seller that I have been in frequent contact with. He is located in Baikal and he told me that he used to work in the Baikal plant. He has helped me to find some very hard to find parts for my Russian airguns. Perhaps I will drop him a line and ask what he knows about this topic, however, his English is probably about as good as my Russian, so it may not be so easy.

Anyway, sorry if I got off-topic, but this AV thing is still (to me) a mystery.

до следующего раза, друзья мои,

 

[Stinger177]

Sneaky and weird:  PA have hidden the blog about the original 46M.   The link still exists, but has "trashed" as a suffix.  If you search for 46M in PA's main search bar, then select blog posts, you get only the AV version.  However, if you are in blog posts, and search from there you can still find the "trashed" posts.  This is silly marketing strategy, at best...

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/11/__trashed/

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/12/the-av-46m-single-stroke-pneumatic-match-air-pistol-part-3/

They don't want people buying the better ones on the used market.

 

[Cstar]

Stinger177 I have purchased some items from the Russian eBay seller you mentioned. It would be very interesting to see what he has to say about the AV vs IZH models.

The differences between the cocking arms are noticeable but the latest IZH model has the dog leg version. My original has the new lever

My AV is back in Cleveland being worked on. I’m going to hold off making comments about the old vs new until I get mine back and see how it performs.

[Stinger177]

Stinger177 I have purchased some items from the Russian eBay seller you mentioned. It would be very interesting to see what he has to say about the AV vs IZH models.

The differences between the cocking arms are noticeable but the latest IZH model has the dog leg version. My original has the new lever

My AV is back in Cleveland being worked on. I’m going to hold off making comments about the old vs new until I get mine back and see how it performs.

Corky - There are a couple or more Russian sellers, so just to verify, the person's first name (that I'm referring to) is Mikhail. I'll send him an email and see what he knows about this.

It looks to me like both of those guns in your attached pic have the same style lever. (?)

 

[Cstar]

It looks to me like both of those guns in your attached pic have the same style lever. (?)

They are the same. It is my understanding that the arm was changed for the later models. I don’t know when the change was made. Somewhere I saw that there is a year of manufacture coded in the serial number but I don’t remember where I saw that or what the details were. Duh!

It’s *(&^ to get old. They say your memory is the second thing to go and I can’t remember what the first one is!

Corky