46M available from Pyramid

[Stinger177]

Now, if you can find me another Baikal MP532, it would be greatly appreciated!!

For sale in India for $1290, unless it is a scam (insist on paypal).  It may be old stock, because it is expensive in a poor country:  https://www.justhunters.pk/BAIKAL-Airgun-MP-532-SPORTING-4.5-Cal.

Here the user manual to whet your appetited:  https://issuu.com/eaacorp/docs/mp-532-manual_9731307933144f

I think I'll pass on that offering. I paid $450 for mine off eBay here in the US about three years ago. Rare chance, and very happy that I lucked onto it.

I buy from some ebay sellers in Russia, and even they say that those rifles are very rare.

I already have that manual, but thanks anyway.

You must have even more time on your hands than I do, LOL!!

Thanks all the same. At least I know what they are worth in India.

Dennis 

[subscriber]

You must have even more time on your hands than I do, LOL!!

Possibly.  I like a challenge.  Also, I am supposed to be working, but I don't feel like it.  No worries; I don't get paid when I am goofing off...

I would not pay $1000+ for one of these rifles.  The manual states they weight over 9 lb.  That puts me right off too.

Considering that the rifle version has a barrel extension tube and is very much just the pistol with the cocking lever on the side, I might be tempted to add a stock to my pistol, similar to the image below.   I would do it in a reversible way that does not even exchange the stock pistol barrel.

[Stinger177]

You must have even more time on your hands than I do, LOL!!

Possibly.  I like a challenge.  Also, I am supposed to be working, but I don't feel like it.  No worries; I don't get paid when I am goofing off...

I would not pay $1000+ for one of these rifles.  The manual states they weight over 9 lb.  That puts me right off too.

Considering that the rifle version has a barrel extension tube and is very much just the pistol with the cocking lever on the side, I might be tempted to add a stock to my pistol, similar to the image below.   I would do it in a reversible way that does not even exchange the stock pistol barrel.

That's very nice, if you can find such a thing.

For me, I would rather have a Rink Formgriffe on my pistol such as this.



I have spoken with Thomas Rink, and IIRC his price was around €290 for that grip style, and for an IZH46M. That quote was from about three years ago I believe.

I have a certain attitude about Russian guns, but I'm not sure I can state it here in this forum.

Maybe this will convey it:

Русские пистолеты похожи на своих женщин. Может, не все они такие красивые, но секс УДИВИТЕЛЬНЫЙ.

 

[Cstar]

I see that the Krale notes “EU countries only”. Will they sell and ship to the USA?

Corky

[Stinger177]

I see that the Krales notes “EU countries only”. Will they sell and ship to the USA?

Corky

I'll have to look at that link again, but I've purchased many Weihrauch from them with no problem. In fact, many of us have here in the US.

 

[Stinger177]

I see that the Krale notes “EU countries only”. Will they sell and ship to the USA?

Corky

Corky - That "EU countries only" pertains to the taxation.

They do not apply taxes to sales to the US so you should have no worries.

Add about $37 (perhaps a bit more) for shipping and you should be good to go.

At least that's how it went down last time I ordered from them.

You will also have it within four days normally, but the Holiday weekend may delay that.

 

[subscriber]

Corky,

I have made 5 purchases from Krale.  The first was my Baikal MP-46M, two years ago.  The most recent was in August this year.   Their displayed prices have in each instance been split between US and Europe.  The latter have additional taxes, that do not apply to US shipments.

Most recently, Krale spit it website by region.  The link I posted has a "us" in it.  Compare that to the "nl" home site -below.  There, only the higher European price is shown:  https://www.krale.shop/nl/baikal-mp-46m/ .  Yet, the system can see one's IP address, so it displays the cost of shipping to the US (for me).  The page will probably come up in Dutch...

Two years ago my 46M cost $503, including shipping.  The price increase reflect a lower dollar exchange rate; probably due to over two trillion in fiat currency being handed out, to all and sundry; thereby diluting the value of the US$...

[Cstar]

Thanks for the updates. It all sounds good.

What about the import restrictions?  I’ve got enough headaches in my life right now without including US customs and the Federal Government!

Corky

[Stinger177]

I have never had an issue with orders from Krale regarding US Customs. Even orders direct from Russia - no issues - yet.

I do have a pistol  (MP53) in transit from Russia as I type this. Will wait and see on that one.

The only time I had an issue with Customs was when they returned an HW silencer back to the UK. I reordered it and it finally arrived to me.

[subscriber]

Corky,

By watching tracking info, it seems orders from Krale sail through US customs.  I believe that if the value is above $800, they start charging duty.

The only delays were at customs in Germany and England.  I had my 46M box opened and taped shut with "customs tape" in Germany.  Ditto for an HW 95 in England.  Don't know if that is a random inspection, since the box is just passing through a hub.

[subscriber]

Tom Gaylords third blog post about this pistol has been posted.  The report is positive enough.  It is a pity that he did not compare the new pistol side by side to the original 46M:
www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/12/the-av-46m-single-stroke-pneumatic-match-air-pistol-part-3/

The link above includes a picture of the AV 46M muzzle, after lots of shooting.  Is it just me or does it look like the crown was swaged into the barrel?  I say that because there appear to be rifling lands and grooves highlighted by the lead dust - below.  If so, that would not be my first choice for a crowning process. 




More likely that the above marks are tool chatter, induced by the interaction between the rifling lands and the number of cutter flutes:  A less than ideal number of flutes allows the tool to "drop in", to all the rifling grooves, all at once; setting up a vibration.  A 5 flute cutter would be better than a 3, 4 or 6 flute cutter, when crowing a 12 groove rifled barrel.  There are also milling cutters and reamers available with uneven flute spacing, precisely to minimize such potential for chatter.  Perhaps this explains the chatter on the breech cone, shown earlier in this thread.

[Frank in Fairfield]

Looking at the screw heads, it looks like a monkey put them together.
Back a couple pages you can see the muzzle on my partner’s AV46 in Kansas.
Screw head all bunged up!

[Stinger177]

Tom Gaylords third blog post about this pistol has been posted.  The report is positive enough.  It is a pity that he did not compare the new pistol side by side to the original 46M:
www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/12/the-av-46m-single-stroke-pneumatic-match-air-pistol-part-3/

The link above includes a picture of the AV 46M muzzle, after lots of shooting.  Is it just me or does it look like the crown was swaged into the barrel?  I say that because there appear to be rifling lands and grooves highlighted by the lead dust - below.  If so, that would not be my first choice for a crowning process. 




More likely that the above marks are tool chatter, induced by the interaction between the rifling lands and the number of cutter flutes:  A less than ideal number of flutes allows the tool to "drop in", to all the rifling grooves, all at once; setting up a vibration.  A 5 flute cutter would be better than a 3, 4 or 6 flute cutter, when crowing a 12 groove rifled barrel.  There are also milling cutters and reamers available with uneven flute spacing, precisely to minimize such potential for chatter.  Perhaps this explains the chatter on the breech cone, shown earlier in this thread.

Subs - Thank you for that update. I'll read B.B.'s blog report more thoroughly when I get home later tonight, but I can tell you right now.........., That AV crown is nowhere near the quality of my original Baikal MP46M, and I will post pics to prove it.

What a sad situation that AV is (apparently) attempting to sell a substandard item in the guise of a superb Russian air pistol!

And, one that can still be purchased freely to the US!!

I just don't get what AV is doing with this marketing venture.

Red laminated grips are like red lipstick on their re-pop AV46M pig.

There is no better barrel than a Baikal forged barrel, at least as far as Russian production, and they ARE some of the best!!

Then again, that's just my humble opinion.

 

[Frank in Fairfield]

Right on target Dennis.
Absolute junk.
PA should be ashamed of themselves and recall/refund immediately.

[Stinger177]

I forgot last night to take a pic of my own Baikal 46M muzzle end, so I stole this pic from another site .

My pistol is identical.

Quite the difference from the AV version.




On that same thread, I found this really interesting method for adjusting the trigger:




 

[Frank in Fairfield]

And...mine:

[7624452]

From the pictures, the older IZH-46m has a different cocking lever than the one currently for sale at Krale.  The AV-46M appears to be the same as Krale's.

[subscriber]

Yes, Alter; my Baikal has a one piece cocking lever, rather than the two pieces riveted together on earlier Izhmash pistols.  Is that three rivet pistol a 46 or 46M?

[Stinger177]

From the pictures, the older IZH-46m has a different cocking lever than the one currently for sale at Krale.  The AV-46M appears to be the same as Krale's.

Good eyes there!! I had not noticed that.

They have obviously done something to change the geometry of the cocking link. I'll have to look into that.

This (finally, some pics) is my own Baikal 46M ca. 2005-ish.





 

[Frank in Fairfield]

My 46M has three rivets: