DAR Gen II is now available

[Dan H]

The sad part of this story is that you have an American company trying desperately to put out a good product, but the Chinese manufacturer has let them down twice. I wouldn't blame Aim Sports if they threw in the towel on this one but they have enough integrity that they're still trying to make things right. I hope they can reign in this company's directors and get the QC issues resolved permanently. I'd hate to see another American company get sc--ed over by the Chinese looking for quantity over quality.

  HA ! maybe they should ship the quality o rings to the manufacture to install in their guns , or go to Taiwan for manufacturing , and tell the chines to pound sand is what I would do ...  ....

I bought  a  AEA Challenger .357  so far I like it ... hammer spring is on the heavy side so is the trigger ,as it's breaking in it seems to be getting a bit better trigger wise and bolt is smoothing out more also , now AEA made in China also had problem's with o rings when the Terminator semi auto .357 came , and since they have solved that problem , so far at 3400 psi charge {3600 max fill }  first shot is close to 1000 fps with 81 g JSB , 10 shot is 880 fps , and as you might guess it hits like a sledge hammer , and below 940 fps with those pellets its possible hole threw hole shots at 50 yards tested so far ,,,,

Bin - sig shooter on you tube claims 124 g slug has hit right at 900 fps , and I will be testing my new NOE pellet , and slug .359 molds out sized to .357  going to start out with 88g hollow point / or casted with same mold as flat nose bullet , I am hoping to push those close to 1000 fps or lower pressure lower fps which ever is more accurate ,,, test ! test !      Challenger was 530 bucks shipped to my door ...

Hoping my DAR .22 comes back with new orings and reg set correctly soon , when that gun was holding air it was fantastic cheap shooting fun with CHP 14.3 ammo that I bought 12 tins of for shooting in that gun because it shoots them pin point at 50 yards with no wind ....   

[Firewalker]

Matt and Tom,

I understand the disappointment but these are actually very well made and well crafted. At this point, it's an o ring problem and from all the posts I have read on PCP's across the world, any company can have issues with them at any time.

In my particular case, it's been a poppet issue, the o rings are holding fine for now.

[Insanity]

Replacing orings dont bother me my dar is a gen 2 prerelease. What dose bother me that I had to figure out what orings to use.

[tracker1955]

David, I have no iron in the fire, had a gen one, loved the look and feel of the gun, and was easy to disassemble and work on, but the machining internally on the gen one where the orings sit was so poor that they had to put shim tape under the orings to make them seal. Haven't heard of any having this problem on the gen two but all the oring issues gotta make me wonder. The gun was at a great price and still think the potential is there to have a great shooter.

[avator]

Mine is still functioning as intended.... just putting that out there.
One thing is for sure... those are some of the best mags I've seen with a $300 gun. And price for spares was real good too... unlike the Urban... and for the record... that's about the only complaint I have with the Urban.
 I like the DAR .25... and I like my Avenger. The only thing I like more about the DAR, aside from the mags and wood, is the length of the gun. For me, the Avenger edges it out in all other areas.
That's my opinion... you are more than welcome to yours... I'll respect it.   

BTW... If the urban would have had a full shroud, side lever and came in .25 regulated.. I just might not even own the DAR or the Avenger right now.

[RDB]

Matt and Tom,

I understand the disappointment but these are actually very well made and well crafted. At this point, it's an o ring problem and from all the posts I have read on PCP's across the world, any company can have issues with them at any time.

In my particular case, it's been a poppet issue, the o rings are holding fine for now.

Are you still having  a poppet issue?

[Firewalker]

David, I have no iron in the fire, had a gen one, loved the look and feel of the gun, and was easy to disassemble and work on, but the machining internally on the gen one where the orings sit was so poor that they had to put shim tape under the orings to make them seal. Haven't heard of any having this problem on the gen two but all the oring issues gotta make me wonder. The gun was at a great price and still think the potential is there to have a great shooter.

Looking at the o-rings, they look pretty good to me and they seem to be setting about right in the tubes.

I went ahead and changed out all the ones I had in the bag on the .22 but both .25s are holding firm.

[Firewalker]

Matt and Tom,

I understand the disappointment but these are actually very well made and well crafted. At this point, it's an o ring problem and from all the posts I have read on PCP's across the world, any company can have issues with them at any time.

In my particular case, it's been a poppet issue, the o rings are holding fine for now.

Are you still having  a poppet issue?

Nope! I burnished them with a drill chucked up on the hammer end with air in the tube and ran really slow counterclockwise about a half dozen turns or less and it seated perfectly. 

If I degass it, I do have to use a bottle to air it up and tap the poppet stem a couple times to seat it.

I think it's an issue with the seat but I cannot remove them to polish them.

[Firewalker]

BTW, I am still looking for an accurate pellet/slug for the .25s, they need to group as well as the .22 with CPHPs to be useful.

On magazines: I've said it before and I'll yell it from the mountain tops, these are all aluminium mags, no plastic, no fancy "turn the lid, load the first one backward from the other side then flip it over and try to load the rest without letting the cover over rotate", just load sequentially and done!

10 pellets for the .25!

[singleshotcajun]

I love the DAR mags the only problem I have is when I shoot one or the other(DAR/Mrod style) for a while then switch😳

[NHGuide]

Mine is still functioning as intended.... just putting that out there.
One thing is for sure... those are some of the best mags I've seen with a $300 gun. And price for spares was real good too... unlike the Urban... and for the record... that's about the only complaint I have with the Urban.
 I like the DAR .25... and I like my Avenger. The only thing I like more about the DAR, aside from the mags and wood, is the length of the gun. For me, the Avenger edges it out in all other areas.
That's my opinion... you are more than welcome to yours... I'll respect it.   

BTW... If the urban would have had a full shroud, side lever and came in .25 regulated.. I just might not even own the DAR or the Avenger right now.

Bill,  I share those exact opinions.  I have all three. The Urban is one of the neatest feeling in the hands, the wood  and shorter length on the DAR edges out the Avenger.  My  .25 Avenger and the Urban .22 will both slice a playing card in half at 30 yards with little trouble and I expect my DAR will after I get it on a bench and find the right pellet.
This coming autumn I will rotate them daily for tree squirrels, I imagine.

[Insanity]

I suspect if I tuned the reg found the proper pellet or slug and done my work my dar will be in the NUHY.

[Insanity]

Update on the orings needle has not budged once it settled in with the temp drop from the quick fill.

[Dan H]

I guess I will call AIM sports tomorrow and get ,and update on my leaker .22 .... getting a flat on the DAR is like getting a flat on my corvette ! LOL ! with out air you ain't going no where ...

trouble with the vette is - they tell you to run , run flat tires that cost like crazy but do not perform like the good none run flat tires , since the vette has no spare .... so I keep a small electric pump and a tire plug kit for repair ..... if that doesn't work out then triple AAA  takes over , to bad they can't fix the DAR'S flat fast like they do the car tire .... my .25 DAR is still holding air I think I will pull the trigger on that one tomorrow see how many dime size circles I can kill LOL ! ...     

[Dan H]

Mine is still functioning as intended.... just putting that out there.
One thing is for sure... those are some of the best mags I've seen with a $300 gun. And price for spares was real good too... unlike the Urban... and for the record... that's about the only complaint I have with the Urban.
 I like the DAR .25... and I like my Avenger. The only thing I like more about the DAR, aside from the mags and wood, is the length of the gun. For me, the Avenger edges it out in all other areas.
That's my opinion... you are more than welcome to yours... I'll respect it.   

BTW... If the urban would have had a full shroud, side lever and came in .25 regulated.. I just might not even own the DAR or the Avenger right now.

The mags are fantastic on the DAR ,for 20  bucks you can't beat the aluminum mags ....

AEA challenger I just bought has some very good mags cnc aluminum with a button of metal that is attaches to bottom of the  mag .... a magnet in the action grabs that small metal piece on the mag  ,and there is a spring loaded ball bearing in the action ..that locates it's self on a machined out round spot on the bottom of the mag...  its aliened so good when you cycle the bolt you cant feel it making contact with any thing ... with jsb .357 pellets you cant even feel them make contact with the probe  or go into the barrel...  in fact  it feels like the mag is empty with no resistance .... 

[Dan H]

I just got off the phone with Joe at Aim sports , he said they are going to replace my whole air tube assembly on my .22 ... another thing he said they are having issues with the bleeder screw ball that it seals against , he said when you loosen it to bleed the air pressure down  to just crack that screw open as little as possible to leak the air pressure out of the  gun , because the ball can come out of place ,and get deformed trying to tighten it back up ,....  now my .22 had this issue and it/ little ball was deformed ,and it won't seal properly after that ....  I was able to seal it up with that problem using plumbers  tape ... so just barely open the bleeder screw to make it slow leak the pressure out to avoid this issue ...

[Fred E Krugar]

I just got off the phone with Joe at Aim sports , he said they are going to replace my whole air tube assembly on my .22 ... another thing he said they are having issues with the bleeder screw ball that it seals against , he said when you loosen it to bleed the air pressure down  to just crack that screw open as little as possible to leak the air pressure out of the  gun , because the ball can come out of place ,and get deformed trying to tighten it back up ,....  now my .22 had this issue and it/ little ball was deformed ,and it won't seal properly after that ....  I was able to seal it up with that problem using plumbers  tape ... so just barely open the bleeder screw to make it slow leak the pressure out to avoid this issue ...

Mine did that i just used that itty bitty o-ring in the pack it came with.
Not a problem since.

I do not know where that o-ring goes, but it fits and it works good.
I just dropped the oring in and dropped the little ball on top of it. Don't  have to tighten it very much with the o-ring in.

How long will that last? Don't know,  but i have degagassed it at least a dozen times with the o-ring in.

[Insanity]

Herm ether my ball is missing or it's under the oring. If I need to adjust the reg I'll look.

[Wayne52]

I just got off the phone with Joe at Aim sports , he said they are going to replace my whole air tube assembly on my .22 ... another thing he said they are having issues with the bleeder screw ball that it seals against , he said when you loosen it to bleed the air pressure down  to just crack that screw open as little as possible to leak the air pressure out of the  gun , because the ball can come out of place ,and get deformed trying to tighten it back up ,....  now my .22 had this issue and it/ little ball was deformed ,and it won't seal properly after that ....  I was able to seal it up with that problem using plumbers  tape ... so just barely open the bleeder screw to make it slow leak the pressure out to avoid this issue ...

Yep that's the exact same thing that happened with mine except the screw wouldn't come out and that's the last that I messed with it, I did try an easy out on it but it didn't work.  I was going to try liquid steel on it to seal it up completely but never did.  I'll have to get hold of him and let him know what happened.

[Firewalker]

I just got off the phone with Joe at Aim sports , he said they are going to replace my whole air tube assembly on my .22 ... another thing he said they are having issues with the bleeder screw ball that it seals against , he said when you loosen it to bleed the air pressure down  to just crack that screw open as little as possible to leak the air pressure out of the  gun , because the ball can come out of place ,and get deformed trying to tighten it back up ,....  now my .22 had this issue and it/ little ball was deformed ,and it won't seal properly after that ....  I was able to seal it up with that problem using plumbers  tape ... so just barely open the bleeder screw to make it slow leak the pressure out to avoid this issue ...

Mine did that i just used that itty bitty o-ring in the pack it came with.
Not a problem since.

I do not know where that o-ring goes, but it fits and it works good.
I just dropped the oring in and dropped the little ball on top of it. Don't  have to tighten it very much with the o-ring in.

How long will that last? Don't know,  but i have degagassed it at least a dozen times with the o-ring in.

I followed your lead and fixed mine the same way. What's that little o-ring for anyway?