NSA .17 slugs

[Motorhead]

In my case of the TJ's i have .. the misunderstanding of bore / land as being vaguely understood is MY OWN ignorance and nothing more.

[KnifeMaker]

We are working on the 177 production.  Our HP pins right now are a problem in the manufacturing process - breaking.  I machined new pins and had them heat treated.  I dropped them off at the grinder and will be a few weeks until I get them back still.  These pins are held to +- .0001 so I can not hold that on my machine and the bottle neck is the grinder.

Once we get them back we will restart our testing.  Results so far looking pretty good, like any ammo, some guns love em and some don't.  Should restart testing mid April but the shutdowns my effect that well.

Nick, Not knowing what material you are using for thee pins, I'm not sure if it is the material of the heat treat. However, if breakage persist, I would suggest S-7 as it has very high impact resistance, and torque resistance. If yo are using any type of stainless what so ever, Don't there is no true stainless hat has superior shock resistance other that the exotics which are not true stainless Steels although marketed as such.


These are 154-cm. ATS-35 154-CPM and Powdered metallurgy D-2 and D-4.


Knife/Mike

[KnifeMaker]

Scott, your knowledge of fine accurate pellet shooters is beyond approach.


If I were searching for  a very accurate combo, you would be #1 on on my list of the people who know exactly what they are talking about thru you vast experience.


It would no doubt strike you a little odd If not down right insulting if  I told you sure Scott, but I have to call JSB to see what the real truth is. LOL!  


Particularly in an application they have no experience in what so ever. this is pretty much where Travis left the conversation. Odd, considering my experience on the subject, and Nicks lack of same. Not disrespecting Nick, he is just now venturing into .177 slugs.


At this time, Tofazfou is the first I would consider consulting on the subject.  Luckily, he and Nick are friends as well as is Dyotat100.       


I will fully admit, the listings of the TJ's can be confusing. There is really no reason you should be up on it as it just isn't what you normally do. (Although it seems you may very well be about to be.)  


For those wanting to shoot the forthcoming NSA .177 offerings in the .172 slug barrel, it is an easy matter to futher size down using the NOE System. Easy-Peasy.   The catch is the twist to length ratio. (not the weight),  Only by testing will we learn the feasibility of them in the actual slug barrels. 

I have simply got to find room for a small lathe. I have a TJ's here in .172 that I need to fit in the Mini.

Knife/Mike 

[anti-squirrel]

I keep re-reading this thread.  I see it becoming a reference document for learning about smallest-bore slug-shooters.

Knife- thanks for sharing your insight.

[nielsenammo]

We are working on the 177 production.  Our HP pins right now are a problem in the manufacturing process - breaking.  I machined new pins and had them heat treated.  I dropped them off at the grinder and will be a few weeks until I get them back still.  These pins are held to +- .0001 so I can not hold that on my machine and the bottle neck is the grinder.

Once we get them back we will restart our testing.  Results so far looking pretty good, like any ammo, some guns love em and some don't.  Should restart testing mid April but the shutdowns my effect that well.

Nick, Not knowing what material you are using for thee pins, I'm not sure if it is the material of the heat treat. However, if breakage persist, I would suggest S-7 as it has very high impact resistance, and torque resistance. If yo are using any type of stainless what so ever, Don't there is no true stainless hat has superior shock resistance other that the exotics which are not true stainless Steels although marketed as such.


These are 154-cm. ATS-35 154-CPM and Powdered metallurgy D-2 and D-4.


Knife/Mike

Normally my pins are A8 but this time I used S7

[nielsenammo]

Scott, your knowledge of fine accurate pellet shooters is beyond approach.


If I were searching for  a very accurate combo, you would be #1 on on my list of the people who know exactly what they are talking about thru you vast experience.


It would no doubt strike you a little odd If not down right insulting if  I told you sure Scott, but I have to call JSB to see what the real truth is. LOL!  


Particularly in an application they have no experience in what so ever. this is pretty much where Travis left the conversation. Odd, considering my experience on the subject, and Nicks lack of same. Not disrespecting Nick, he is just now venturing into .177 slugs.


At this time, Tofazfou is the first I would consider consulting on the subject.  Luckily, he and Nick are friends as well as is Dyotat100.       


I will fully admit, the listings of the TJ's can be confusing. There is really no reason you should be up on it as it just isn't what you normally do. (Although it seems you may very well be about to be.)  


For those wanting to shoot the forthcoming NSA .177 offerings in the .172 slug barrel, it is an easy matter to futher size down using the NOE System. Easy-Peasy.   The catch is the twist to length ratio. (not the weight),  Only by testing will we learn the feasibility of them in the actual slug barrels. 

I have simply got to find room for a small lathe. I have a TJ's here in .172 that I need to fit in the Mini.

Knife/Mike

I have been selling 177 slugs and shooting them since 2016 before this 172 craze ever started

[Motorhead]

Nick,
I know this is not a one on one reach out to you ... but can you please follow up letting us know when the .177 production on the HS machines has us able to purchase bulk cost effective slugs.

Thank you,
Scott

[KnifeMaker]

We are working on the 177 production.  Our HP pins right now are a problem in the manufacturing process - breaking.  I machined new pins and had them heat treated.  I dropped them off at the grinder and will be a few weeks until I get them back still.  These pins are held to +- .0001 so I can not hold that on my machine and the bottle neck is the grinder.

Once we get them back we will restart our testing.  Results so far looking pretty good, like any ammo, some guns love em and some don't.  Should restart testing mid April but the shutdowns my effect that well.

Nick, Not knowing what material you are using for thee pins, I'm not sure if it is the material of the heat treat. However, if breakage persist, I would suggest S-7 as it has very high impact resistance, and torque resistance. If yo are using any type of stainless what so ever, Don't there is no true stainless hat has superior shock resistance other that the exotics which are not true stainless Steels although marketed as such.


These are 154-cm. ATS-35 154-CPM and Powdered metallurgy D-2 and D-4.


Knife/Mike

Normally my pins are A8 but this time I used S7

They should give you much better service Nick.  


I can't help but wonder how baked on Teflon would do for easier release. I would not have thought much about it, however, a mold I recently received has it on the spru plate top surface  and it does indeed release much easier. I was quite skeptical of it. Happily wrong!  [size=78%] [/size]


Knife/Mike

[KnifeMaker]

Scott, your knowledge of fine accurate pellet shooters is beyond approach.


If I were searching for  a very accurate combo, you would be #1 on on my list of the people who know exactly what they are talking about thru you vast experience.


It would no doubt strike you a little odd If not down right insulting if  I told you sure Scott, but I have to call JSB to see what the real truth is. LOL!  


Particularly in an application they have no experience in what so ever. this is pretty much where Travis left the conversation. Odd, considering my experience on the subject, and Nicks lack of same. Not disrespecting Nick, he is just now venturing into .177 slugs.


At this time, Tofazfou is the first I would consider consulting on the subject.  Luckily, he and Nick are friends as well as is Dyotat100.       


I will fully admit, the listings of the TJ's can be confusing. There is really no reason you should be up on it as it just isn't what you normally do. (Although it seems you may very well be about to be.)  


For those wanting to shoot the forthcoming NSA .177 offerings in the .172 slug barrel, it is an easy matter to futher size down using the NOE System. Easy-Peasy.   The catch is the twist to length ratio. (not the weight),  Only by testing will we learn the feasibility of them in the actual slug barrels. 

I have simply got to find room for a small lathe. I have a TJ's here in .172 that I need to fit in the Mini.

Knife/Mike

I have been selling 177 slugs and shooting them since 2016 before this 172 craze ever started

 


Then I stand corrected. Happily!  I didn't start shooting slug until after 2007. LOL but didn't get serious about it until 2011.  Long before Ced. tried the    .172, our plan was to build a .222 or .223. originally, using re-purposed .22 rim fire and or Hornet bbl.s. . Ced. went with the  .257, .338 and the .172, I with the .222, .250 .257 and a few odd ones. Lots to learn!  


I hope in the future TJ's will make a proper shorter slug shooting prpper twist .257. As it, I had to step doen to a .250 to get the proper twist. the L/W barrels ion .25 actually have a twist that works with the .250 shortened slugs most peoples guns can shoot at a decent fps. the TJ's works well for full length .257's but sadly, most AG's do not have the power to use the full length slugs.


Your offerings fit exactly n the midle of the much needed sizes fo rmost guns. We just need to talk TJ or someone else into producing the bbl's.
I am testing liners from Brownells Gun Smithing Supply and am very encouraged with the results with the .22 barrel so far.


Being disabled, I very much appreciate the low cost of them yet high quality as well.  Very smooth bores! 

  Knife/Mike

[Blutroop]

I sure am glad y’all broke trail to slug shooting. Now that I’ve tried it I’m hooked.
I’m considering doing a .177 slug build while my .172 is down mostly for the ease of being able to use oem parts and build simple and quick. When Nick is able to get slugs out cheap then I run out of excuses.

[KnifeMaker]

Of interest is the fact that RoachCreek, (lani 52) was and is a true pioneer of slug shooting at long range with Air. He posted may threads here a few years bac,k on the subject.


Sadly, he was lambasted, made fun of, told he was bringing the world of air gunning to an end. As many forward thinking Pioneers in many fields, he was the butt of many  threads of ridicule and many an attack here back then.


Now with his eye sight failing, he is at least welcomed back. I missed his guidance in  casting here on the forum. We kept in touch by phone for years. His guidance was and is invaluable. We have a lot to thank him for, and his perseverance.


The entire industry has now taken notice. Things are changing at lightning speed. Thanks to people like him.


the neysayers are now pretty much silent on the sky is falling attitude. If anything out there will draw the attention of the authorities here in the U.S., it is the Full Autos. Not the slug shooters. I mean, they have been around sine the 1600's in one forum or another.


Only recently have airguns been treated as child's toys. and mostly that was in the U.S. thanks to companies such as daisy and like companies.  Many Countries have been shooting slug guns in Bench rest competitions for long range for years now.


We were  very far behind. As we have been in Air Gunning in general. This is fast becoming a different story. Baby steps so far. But it is coming. 


KnifeMaker

[nielsenammo]

I have a custom mandrel for 177 for TJ that I will be testing.  NSA plans to offer drop in ready barrels in the upcoming months.  I just gave my friend a custom 25 cal I did for his Impact.  These are all custom mandrels not available from TJ unless your name is Nick Nielsen.  I have a 177, 22 and 25 custom mandrel and test barrels here at my shop.  Starting with 25 cal in the Impact.  Once my cnc machine is programmed I can make barrels pretty easy and my machine will even cut the transfer ports at the same time.  After I get the 25 Impact barrel I will do Impact in the other 2 calibers and I plan to use TJ 30 cal mandrel as well.

I am starting with barrels to shoot pellets and slugs, hopefully, and may buy more mandrels for specific uses depending on the demand.  The picture is my 25 barrel in the Impact using factory shroud and a prototype LDC.

[nielsenammo]

Scott

We expect once we get the punches back we will start testing right away and assuming the punches are not breaking we should be able to be in production in about 1-2 weeks after receiving the punches.  We expect the punches in a week to 10 days from now and then if all goes well about 2 weeks after that.  Could be faster if all comes together but I think those are reasonable times.  We expect pricing to be same as our 22 cal ammo with 400 slugs for 17 grain and below.  We plan on 400 being the max amount per box.  It comes down to the less us of lead per box more time to make them and they start to wash each other out.

[Motorhead]

Thank you sir ... 

[bear air]

Glad to hear your getting it worked out Nick. I'm looking forward to the lower prices on the .177 slugs.

[anti-squirrel]

Knife, every time RoachCreek posts, there's a snippet or tidbit everybody should be paying attention to.  I noticed this about 18 months ago- a gem here, a nugget of gold there.  With all the other hub-bub, I think slugs are my pathway to long range...  I also didn't realize there was a lot of other history there from a few years back.

I still love my wadcutters for short range pesting and have no intention of changing otherwise for "close-in", but slugs offer a lot of other capabilities.

[KnifeMaker]

Now that's what I like to hear! Nick's "ON IT"! We can't let Fredric at FX have all the fun!


He was dead set against it at the first. But then I well remember his saying that he would NEVER build a bull Pup. LOL 


Knife

[Sephroth_I_am]

So I'm new to using springers and I was wondering if I could use the slug in a gamo varmint or are these slugs only for pcps? Thanks for the help.