Prod $230.62

[Buldawg76]

The problem with both UPS and fedlax is when they get the usps involved those package are placed in big bags that sit in the UPS/fedlax hubs until there are enough package in the bag going to a local usps distribution center to warrant it to be loaded on a pallet and placed in their truck to ship to the local usps center so it could be a day or week before it actually leave a UPS/fedlax hub enroute to usps centers.

I had a good friend that worked for fedlax for years and he told me how the smart post system works. I just wish each carrier would deliver there own packages and quits this pass the buck program.

BD

[AThomas]

Fedex and UPS have contracts with the USPS to deliver their smart post and sure post packages. The 7.99 price for shipping at PA is the smart post shipping option. Pay the extra $3-4 dollar and get the fedex or ups home delivery options. Not making excuses for poor handling and delivery but that's the way they do business.

The problem with both UPS and fedlax is when they get the usps involved those package are placed in big bags that sit in the UPS/fedlax hubs until there are enough package in the bag going to a local usps distribution center to warrant it to be loaded on a pallet and placed in their truck to ship to the local usps center so it could be a day or week before it actually leave a UPS/fedlax hub enroute to usps centers.

I had a good friend that worked for fedlax for years and he told me how the smart post system works. I just wish each carrier would deliver there own packages and quits this pass the buck program.



BD

[Buldawg76]

Fedex and UPS have contracts with the USPS to deliver their smart post and sure post packages. The 7.99 price for shipping at PA is the smart post shipping option. Pay the extra $3-4 dollar and get the fedex or ups home delivery options. Not making excuses for poor handling and delivery but that's the way they do business.

The problem with both UPS and fedlax is when they get the usps involved those package are placed in big bags that sit in the UPS/fedlax hubs until there are enough package in the bag going to a local usps distribution center to warrant it to be loaded on a pallet and placed in their truck to ship to the local usps center so it could be a day or week before it actually leave a UPS/fedlax hub enroute to usps centers.

I had a good friend that worked for fedlax for years and he told me how the smart post system works. I just wish each carrier would deliver there own packages and quits this pass the buck program.



BD

Agreed with your statement but its still passing the buck to me. We the consumer pay in good faith for the carrier we choose will deliver the item. It is never clearly stated that it will be handed off to another carrier. Just poor business practice and deception of the consumer IMO.

BD

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

Fedex and UPS have contracts with the USPS to deliver their smart post and sure post packages. The 7.99 price for shipping at PA is the smart post shipping option. Pay the extra $3-4 dollar and get the fedex or ups home delivery options. Not making excuses for poor handling and delivery but that's the way they do business.

The problem with both UPS and fedlax is when they get the usps involved those package are placed in big bags that sit in the UPS/fedlax hubs until there are enough package in the bag going to a local usps distribution center to warrant it to be loaded on a pallet and placed in their truck to ship to the local usps center so it could be a day or week before it actually leave a UPS/fedlax hub enroute to usps centers.

I had a good friend that worked for fedlax for years and he told me how the smart post system works. I just wish each carrier would deliver there own packages and quits this pass the buck program.



BD

Agreed with your statement but its still passing the buck to me. We the consumer pay in good faith for the carrier we choose will deliver the item. It is never clearly stated that it will be handed off to another carrier. Just poor business practice and deception of the consumer IMO.

BD

I see it as both a USPS problem and a problem of our making, and that we know about and the result of us choosing the cheapest method of delivery. When/if we choose those cheaper shipping options, we are telling them that slow is what we choose in order to save a couple of bucks.

It saves FedEx, UPS, and USPS, and they then pass on some of that savings to us, WHEN we choose it!

Now back to the way the USPS handles it. It would be great if USPS just treated all packages in their possession the same, but I am sure they don't want to even create the illusion that "the cheap way" of "sharing transportation of packages with the other carriers is just as good as just shipping with them at a higher cost and greater profit to them. 

I will say it makes sense to me that it cost more for one carrier to transport and deliver all over the place than it does for them to do the bulk movement to a close by USPS facility and the USPS that is likely already out doing a delivery to your house, to finish the shipping by doing the delivery as they drive by your house.
 
Of course, more hands on will lead to a greater chance of problems and the ability to pass the buck if something goes wrong, so choose wisely and what is in accord with you budget, grasshopper!

[FuzzyGrub]

This year, I have had good luck with all carriers, except for a minor local weather related issue with Fedex.   Last year, had allot of issues with UPS, and it was local distribution problems. 

Amazon, UPS, Fedex and others utilize the "last mile" processing with USPS.   Pallets are drop shipped to your local PO.  Unless you have a very large local PO, there will be no sorting equipment.  It is all hand sorted, mostly with barcode hand or ring scanners.  Most of the Amazon drop ships, will arrive in early AM and USPS has to get it out in that days mail.  Others arrive latter in the day, then sorted, and have to go out in next days mail.  I don't mind the "last mile" approach.  Items arrive at a much more consistent time of the day.

There has been collaboration between carriers for many years, even before "last mile".  For obvious reasons, they don't advertise it.  Fedex flys allot of USPS mail, and delivers fuselage shaped containers to specific USPS distribution sites.  Very similar containers to what UPS Worldport uses.   

[screwwork]

Ricky
See if Don has made up the new valve for the Prod? For high power like the disco valve. Let me know if you find anything out ok.
Thanks Randy

Mr. Randy, I missed the Disco valve inquiry.

No, he does not have one for the PROD but he does have one for the Disco--pretty expensive at $120  .

Ricky, no worries.
Yeah, some aftermarket parts can be expensive but worth every penny when you meet your personal goals of power, bling factor, etc.

[only1harry]

I hear ya Mike! I don’t remember UPS having issues like this...but with FedEx it seems ALOT of folks are having this type of issue. I could have paid an extra $6 for a guaranteed delivery yesterday but was in no rush...just didn’t expect this from FedEx changing delivery dates making no sense....

Randall (and everyone) - if it makes you feel better I rarely get delivery on the date FedEx shows on their tracking website when they hand it off to USPS.  A couple of times I got it the day before during non-Holiday or slow periods, but usually it's a day or 2 late and FedEx revises the delivery date or gets it wrong. 
Now because of the busy holiday season where both carriers are handling probably 50x more packages than normal, the delays are going to be worse and human error abundant.  I am not surprised that P/A shipped 10 days ago and I have not received it, and that FedEx sent my package to the wrong USPS office in another county after FedEx had it here in my town in their distribution center 4 miles from my house for a whole day.  I have been through this a few times before, and kind of expect it especially when I order from P/A or any vendor in Nov. & Dec. that uses FedEx Smart Post/delivery. 

It is what it is and we just have to wait longer to play with our new toys.  Some of us can handle it, and a few wait by the door biting their finger nails.  I make it a habit not to trim my finger nails before the holidays 

Harry

[Buldawg76]

I do not have any issue with companies doing what is required to save them dollars and in turn us as well. My issue is no willingness to be accountable for the issues that do arise from said practices. It seems at least for my few problems with shippers that regardless of which you call first its always shifted to the other carrier involved to fix the problem and so the merry go round begins.

I agree its a monster we have created ourselves with the desire to save our dollars as well in todays ever increasing costlier world.

Its one of my pet peeves that my word is my bond and I expect the same from others, sadly that is wishful thinking is this day and age. I guess I will just continue to watch as society and its values erode further into obsolescence.

BD

[ranchibi]

I hear ya Mike! I don’t remember UPS having issues like this...but with FedEx it seems ALOT of folks are having this type of issue. I could have paid an extra $6 for a guaranteed delivery yesterday but was in no rush...just didn’t expect this from FedEx changing delivery dates making no sense....

Randall (and everyone) - if it makes you feel better I rarely get delivery on the date FedEx shows on their tracking website when they hand it off to USPS.  A couple of times I got it the day before during non-Holiday or slow periods, but usually it's a day or 2 late and FedEx revises the delivery date or gets it wrong. 
Now because of the busy holiday season where both carriers are handling probably 50x more packages than normal, the delays are going to be worse and human error abundant.  I am not surprised that P/A shipped 10 days ago and I have not received it, and that FedEx sent my package to the wrong USPS office in another county after FedEx had it here in my town in their distribution center 4 miles from my house for a whole day.  I have been through this a few times before, and kind of expect it especially when I order from P/A or any vendor in Nov. & Dec. that uses FedEx Smart Post/delivery. 

It is what it is and we just have to wait longer to play with our new toys.  Some of us can handle it, and a few wait by the door biting their finger nails.  I make it a habit not to trim my finger nails before the holidays 

Harry

Harry, sigh....I hear ya and my fingers are getting shorter than they already are...LOL! I SHOUlD have opted for guaranteed delivery and paid the up charge just to save my already short digits! Toopid me...😉 LOL!

[ranchibi]

I do not have any issue with companies doing what is required to save them dollars and in turn us as well. My issue is no willingness to be accountable for the issues that do arise from said practices. It seems at least for my few problems with shippers that regardless of which you call first its always shifted to the other carrier involved to fix the problem and so the merry go round begins.

I agree its a monster we have created ourselves with the desire to save our dollars as well in todays ever increasing costlier world.

Its one of my pet peeves that my word is my bond and I expect the same from others, sadly that is wishful thinking is this day and age. I guess I will just continue to watch as society and its values erode further into obsolescence.

BD

Mike, old school respect and caring is non existent to most (very self centered world now)...hang on to yours and never change..it is a small elite club to those in the know! 🤓 He He!

[Buldawg76]

I do not have any issue with companies doing what is required to save them dollars and in turn us as well. My issue is no willingness to be accountable for the issues that do arise from said practices. It seems at least for my few problems with shippers that regardless of which you call first its always shifted to the other carrier involved to fix the problem and so the merry go round begins.

I agree its a monster we have created ourselves with the desire to save our dollars as well in todays ever increasing costlier world.

Its one of my pet peeves that my word is my bond and I expect the same from others, sadly that is wishful thinking is this day and age. I guess I will just continue to watch as society and its values erode further into obsolescence.

BD

Mike, old school respect and caring is non existent to most (very self centered world now)...hang on to yours and never change..it is a small elite club to those in the know! 🤓 He He!

No worries here, Randall as I know there are still some of us left in the Elite club.

BD

[ranchibi]

I do not have any issue with companies doing what is required to save them dollars and in turn us as well. My issue is no willingness to be accountable for the issues that do arise from said practices. It seems at least for my few problems with shippers that regardless of which you call first its always shifted to the other carrier involved to fix the problem and so the merry go round begins.

I agree its a monster we have created ourselves with the desire to save our dollars as well in todays ever increasing costlier world.

Its one of my pet peeves that my word is my bond and I expect the same from others, sadly that is wishful thinking is this day and age. I guess I will just continue to watch as society and its values erode further into obsolescence.

BD

Mike, old school respect and caring is non existent to most (very self centered world now)...hang on to yours and never change..it is a small elite club to those in the know! 🤓 He He!

No worries here, Randall as I know there are still some of us left in the Elite club.

BD

Mike, that’s what I’m talking about! 👏🤓👍

[ranchibi]

Sooooooo....


Whats everyones plans for thier* new Prods?

Skeeter, mine came shooting exactly how I wanted it out of the box ACCURATELY! So....I already had a single shot loader for it, purchased a RAI adapter with UTG stock for it and waiting...waiting patiently for it as it was supposed to be delivered Saturday but...sigh..also ordered a Rocker1 extended shroud with baffles. It is shooting JSB RS 13.34gr @ 675fps perfect for the rattus I’m patiently waiting for to return to accept my well intentioned JSB sleeping pills I want to administer to them! 😉👍

[FuzzyGrub]

Sooooooo....
Whats everyones plans for thier* new Prods?

I am leaving mine, as described in a post in this thread a few back.   At least for a little while.  It might become a 2501P in the future. 

I have plenty of the plastic foregrips.  Just pay for shipping. 

[Techie]

I also ordered a Rocker1 extended shroud, and he says the OD is the same as the PROD shroud.

[screwwork]

Mike,
Yeah, the OD of the Rocker1 Prod shroud is the same OD as the stock shroud.

[ranchibi]

Sooooooo....


Whats everyones plans for thier* new Prods?

Skeeter, mine came shooting exactly how I wanted it out of the box ACCURATELY! So....I already had a single shot loader for it, purchased a RAI adapter with UTG stock for it and waiting...waiting patiently for it as it was supposed to be delivered Saturday but...sigh..also ordered a Rocker1 extended shroud with baffles. It is shooting JSB RS 13.34gr @ 675fps perfect for the rattus I’m patiently waiting for to return to accept my well intentioned JSB sleeping pills I want to administer to them! 😉👍

Nice. If the OD of the shroud extention is the same as the shroud, i definetly want one. A single shot tray is necessary for this gun, otherwise you blow through too much ammo i have a SS valve ordered and should be here in a few months LOL. I need to buy a spare forearm to chop up, i dont wanna mess with the woods walker camo on this one.

Skeeter, Rocker1 shroud is same OD as OEM shroud.

[ranchibi]

Sooooooo....
Whats everyones plans for thier* new Prods?

I am leaving mine, as described in a post in this thread a few back.   At least for a little while.  It might become a 2501P in the future. 

I have plenty of the plastic foregrips.  Just pay for shipping.

John, you wouldn’t happen to have any camo woods walker fore grips laying around would you? 🤓

[joer]

Sounds like its missing a TP seal and blowing air back under the tube into the hammer area. I better make some gen 2 Prod valves.....

Sounds like the supply may be coming soon.

[FuzzyGrub]

Sooooooo....
Whats everyones plans for thier* new Prods?

I am leaving mine, as described in a post in this thread a few back.   At least for a little while.  It might become a 2501P in the future. 

I have plenty of the plastic foregrips.  Just pay for shipping.

John, you wouldn’t happen to have any camo woods walker fore grips laying around would you? 🤓

No, only the standard black.