Daystate Regal XL questions

[RDB]

Good deal Justin! I knew if he had one you'd get it for a good price. Im lucky enough to live 40 minutes from his shop. I get to handle the new hardware that comes out and grab JSB's off the shelf. Jim and Nancy are super people to do business with.

[ranchibi]

Have you called Jim at Precision about a shroud? He had one a year or so ago....just the shroud no bilita. I gave it to him. May still be on the parts shelf.

I got an email from Jim and he said he had a spare shroud that he had taken off a personal gun (maybe the one you gave him?) for $39 plus shipping.  Yes please!  A good deal considering it comes with 1/2" unf end cap and set screws.  Thanks for the heads up RDB, Jim was a very nice guy to  talk to and Nancy as well.

Thanks Randall, I haven't done any accuracy testing for real yet but by the looks of things it should be very accurate lol.  Yes that was with Jsb 18.1's but this regal used to be the 40fpe version I guess and the original owner put a Huma in it and used a shorter bushing for less hammer spring tension.  I don't think it is as efficient as it could be but I can squeeze 30 shots out of a 200bar fill (more obviously if I fill to 230bar) so I'm cool with that for now.

Justin, sounds like the previous owner wanted more linear shots. You’ll get her to shoot where you want soon! I’m curious, does yours have the Harper Sling Shot system?

[Tweeter]

Only in spirit lol.  It says it on the breech but no slingshot hammer which might be the reason I'm not getting as many shots as some other huma regged Regals.

[Sfttailrdr46]

Tweeter, a few things.

Before trying drilling out the set screws, try this, use star bit drivers. They will often grab where an allen key cannot in a rounded fastener. Before turning anti clockwise, to loosen their set, give the handle a sharp tap with a mallet or hammer while putting pressure Clockwise then pressure anti clockwise and hit it again. This will often break the seal. To seat a set screw, tightly, without a huge amount of torque, turn until hand tight, then tap as before and give it a little 1 eights twist clockwise again. You will feel it set solidly like magic and you have a good solid connection, without the fear of stripping. A great thread saver!    This works for just about all fasteners. gunsmiths have been using this technique for a very long time. Particularly for mounting scope base rails  to rifles.


Mike

That is what I did with my Evanix Air Speed when I did the pellet probe spring upgrade. The one small Allen head screw head was slightly stripped out so with my little Jewelers hammer  I took a small Torx driver and tapped it into the head of the hex screw than did as described above. It works on seized steel bolts and screws on motorcycles aluminum part removal. The corrosion that happens when you mix aluminum parts with steel fasteners welds the parts and fasteners together in a very short time unless you use an anti seize compound during thee assembly process.

[ranchibi]

Only in spirit lol.  It says it on the breech but no slingshot hammer which might be the reason I'm not getting as many shots as some other huma regged Regals.

That’s probably correct as the Daystates and Brococks sporting the Harper SS’s are very efficient even with smallish air reservoirs....

[Sfttailrdr46]

It sounds like you may have an older Huntsman. Perhaps check the serial # to determine date of manufacture. Mine was purchased roughly three years ago and had the slingshot hammer. I am not certain when it came out but my .25 had a good shot count all things considered and was not regulated. IN fact all I ever did was clean and shoot mine when I had it.

[Tweeter]

Only in spirit lol.  It says it on the breech but no slingshot hammer which might be the reason I'm not getting as many shots as some other huma regged Regals.

That’s probably correct as the Daystates and Brococks sporting the Harper SS’s are very efficient even with smallish air reservoirs....

I guess it gets 36 shots on the reg from a full fill according to the ad and prob. could take a few more as it drops off the reg.  That isn't too bad or at least I'm happy with that.  Those with the un regged regals that have the slingshot hammer get 40-50 shots tops but with what ES?  I'm sure a good airgunsmith could get a lot more than 36 shots out of a regged gun with the slingshot hammer though.

Don, it was purchased new January of 2018 so it can't be that old.  As I understand it the 40fpe versions didn't come with the Harper slingshot.  I didn't look at the hammer when I had the action off and wouldn't know what to look for.

AOA emailed back today and said that they have a used shroud for $60 (not sure if that includes shipping or what condition it is in) or they could get me a new shroud direct from daystate for a mere $120 lol (not sure if THAT includes shipping).  $120 for an aluminum tube?  Yikes!  Thankfully I got one from Jim for $39 with the end cap included.

[AlanMcD]

Justin,

Since you don't have the slingshot hammer, I thought I would share a post I made on an SSG that I made and installed in my Air Ranger - the hammer systems are probably pretty similar, so it could probably work for you: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152423.0

My Air Ranger is a 50 FPE .22 cal model, but I have it tuned down to run about 28-30 FPE, depending on pellet weight (900 fps with AA 26 grain pellets).  With the lower hammer energy, I only fill to 2000 psi and shoot down from there, as the gun is not regulated.

Alan

[Tweeter]

Sweet thanks Alan, I will check it out.

[ranchibi]

Justin, from a 225bar fill down to 120bar, it starts at about 870 climbs to a little over 900 then back down to around 860 with (15.89gr) through 40-45 shots....can stretch it to 50 but I don’t punch paper with that many shots....POI does not drop at my range of 20yds max.

[Tweeter]

Justin, from a 225bar fill down to 120bar, it starts at about 870 climbs to a little over 900 then back down to around 860 with (15.89gr) through 40-45 shots....can stretch it to 50 but I don’t punch paper with that many shots....POI does not drop at my range of 20yds max.

That is still very good for not being regulated.  Unlike the s510 tdr I had recently (and sold QUICKLY), that thing got 12-13 shpts within a 30fps spread on high power.  I want to say it has nearly the same reservoir size as the regal xl too but the barrel was a bit shorter.  I've always been satisfied if I can get 30 shots at least per fill.  Imagine what them guys in the UK think.  They only refill their guns after they shoot a 500ct tin of pellets lol.

[ranchibi]

Justin, from a 225bar fill down to 120bar, it starts at about 870 climbs to a little over 900 then back down to around 860 with (15.89gr) through 40-45 shots....can stretch it to 50 but I don’t punch paper with that many shots....POI does not drop at my range of 20yds max.

That is still very good for not being regulated.  Unlike the s510 tdr I had recently (and sold QUICKLY), that thing got 12-13 shpts within a 30fps spread on high power.  I want to say it has nearly the same reservoir size as the regal xl too but the barrel was a bit shorter.  I've always been satisfied if I can get 30 shots at least per fill.  Imagine what them guys in the UK think.  They only refill their guns after they shoot a 500ct tin of pellets lol.

LOL! That is true Justin, one fill one tin of pellets...but at under 12 ft/lbs! I’m sure you will find it’s sweet spot...sounds like you’re getting close . I just haven’t shot any pcp that rivals the Regals trigger and accuracy at their price point....the mechanical sound is very addicting too...crisp and fast.

[ssbn617]

Are 12 ftlb Regals available in the US?
Mitch

[Tweeter]

Justin, from a 225bar fill down to 120bar, it starts at about 870 climbs to a little over 900 then back down to around 860 with (15.89gr) through 40-45 shots....can stretch it to 50 but I don’t punch paper with that many shots....POI does not drop at my range of 20yds max.

That is still very good for not being regulated.  Unlike the s510 tdr I had recently (and sold QUICKLY), that thing got 12-13 shpts within a 30fps spread on high power.  I want to say it has nearly the same reservoir size as the regal xl too but the barrel was a bit shorter.  I've always been satisfied if I can get 30 shots at least per fill.  Imagine what them guys in the UK think.  They only refill their guns after they shoot a 500ct tin of pellets lol.

LOL! That is true Justin, one fill one tin of pellets...but at under 12 ft/lbs! I’m sure you will find it’s sweet spot...sounds like you’re getting close . I just haven’t shot any pcp that rivals the Regals trigger and accuracy at their price point....the mechanical sound is very addicting too...crisp and fast.

I agree with the trigger.  Honestly it feels identical to the Taipan Mutant and Vet I had.  I actually had to look in my manual to get directions on how to add some weight to it because it was so light it was scary haha!  VERY smooth as well.  Wonder why the gun went off with the bolt open, all I did was tap it with my finger when my hand went by lol.

Are 12 ftlb Regals available in the US?
Mitch

I'm not sure Mitch, if not then maybe Krale has one for sale or AOA might be able to get one.  This would be one smooth shooter in 12fpe I'm sure of that.

Hey RDB, just got my new replacement shroud and it is in perfect shape.  And look, oem screws haha!  Looks like it is a complete shroud with tuning fork and 1/2" unf end cap so I have some spares now.  I never asked why you got rid of your shroud and what you replaced it with?  A hugget?

[RDB]

Self inflicted fubar of the airstream trying to get it off the shroud.   Mine is an older non regged model. They had those things super glued on with no hope of separation. Jim had a spare so i gave him my shroud which survived the ordeal.

[Tweeter]

Oh I see, it happens lol.  If this is your shroud then it most def. survived.  Not a mark on it and in perfect condition.  I hate that they glue the moderators on there, just forget the moderator and we can pick our own later.  Just make sure there are 1/2-20 unf threads

[Tweeter]

Got a couple jam nuts in the mail today.  Mail lady knocked on my door with a huge box and I thought what is that?  Really?  For two half inch nuts lol...  Donny also sent me one of his knurled 1/2-20 thread protectors that I can use as a jam nut if I don't like the way this works.

Just waiting on the Tanto which should be here monday and I also ordered another CF tube on ebay that is shipping from California.  This one is matte finish (which looks awesome I think) and only 15mm OD.  That should be here end of next week so it's all coming together.  I think it will look really good all put together and no shroud issues like rattling around and poi shift. 

I also swapped the cheesy flat head breech screws with some nice stainless allen head screws.  The head was slightly too large so I chucked it in the drill press and used a flat file and sandpaper to knock some off.  Fit perfectly now, but the was a problem...  And now I know why (I think) Daystate uses these crappy screws.  Because a magnet will stick to them!  Lol, I admired my work and how nice it will be to not use a flat head screw driver on a $1000 gun until I dropped the SS tray in and it fell right back out.  The magnets wont stick to these stainless screws apparently haha.  So much for that, I put the oem screws back in.  It would be a good mod for someone that only uses the magazine and easier on the eyes IMO.  M3x12 is the size if anyone cares to swap theirs.

Haven't decided whether or not to keep the barrel band since it won't be doing anything.  The 15mm cf tube should not even come close to touching the band but it doesn't really look bad.  Will look okay when the shiny barrel is covered I think. 





 

[Tweeter]

Seems like a lot of work just to eliminate the shroud but it has been fun 

I have to say that I'm glad in a way that the gun showed up with a couple problems that prompted me to mess with it (I would've been happy with a gun that had no issues as well).  And the fact that I haven't even hardly shot it yet strangely doesn't bother me.  It'll be another story though if it shoots 12" groups at 50 yards when I put it all together lol.   

[T3PRanch]

.25's in the XL model never had the slingshot hammer to the best of my knowledge (at least not the 40 ft/lb models).

[ranchibi]

Justin, she is coming around nicely! You sure are a very patient person . The magazines and OEM single shot loaders use a magnetic system to hold them in place...the Rowan Engineering single shot loader does not use magnets. You have a beautiful Regal! I bet the carbon fiber shroud will look fabulous! Pics please when finished.