Altaros M24 Airgun .22 Prototype 60 FPE!

[Dairyboy]

Having dealt with the Altaros guys before I'm all for them on this. I have no reason to doubt him as there's nothing he can gain from making this up. Give the guy a chance. Stuff is being worked out I'm sure. I see nothing to gain from the trolling on it either. We're all here as airgunners and we should be supportive.

[Deckard1973]

Having dealt with the Altaros guys before I'm all for them on this. I have no reason to doubt him as there's nothing he can gain from making this up. Give the guy a chance. Stuff is being worked out I'm sure. I see nothing to gain from the trolling on it either. We're all here as airgunners and we should be supportive.

Well said.

I like bolt actions, be it PB, or AG. 
Like to get a bigger, beefier bolt handle for my MRod.

[Back_Roads]

 In another post , a member stated that he discovered something to accurize slug guns, no clue what it is, but yet there are many ready t o buy into it even though it has not been thoroughly tested as of yet 

[robertr]

To Nomadic Pirate:
obviously if you no longer have usable arguments so you try to ridicule it, but don't worry at the end of this weekend will be again just you who will be ridiculed, because I will share another  very interesting video.   
Maybe if you bought a proper airrifle instead of the Korean toys, you wouldn't be so angry 

 

[Altaros]

I wonder why I actually did a previous video twice where I showed that the rifle achieves reported power and that it has an airtube for the number of that power shots.  Obviously when someone doesn't want to believe
so they do not believe 

I do not want to browse older posts, but as far as I know, I clearly stated the number of shots per airtube filling. it is approx. 40 shots at 42J or 10 shots at approx. 80J all when airtube is filled to 3600PSI or 250bar.

I said the power, I stated the weight of the bullet, I said filling pressure, caliber. That's what I think is sufficient for a rifle.  Nevertheless, to add one new piece of information and start another dubious one so this 78J power reaches a rifle with a volume of regulated air around the valve with only 12cc (ml).

What I did not mention is the volume of airutbe and I will not do it, because the volume airtube is another clue about the possible position of the airtube and this information you will have to wait until the rifles are ready for sale.

It would be quite enough if most of the local doubters found some information about our products that we have already put on the market and you would see that what the most customers say is the same information, that you find on our website. I really do not know what I would get and why to start after more than 10 years in the market with thousands of satisfied customers.

and again writing what I wrote:  the M24 rifle could be seen at the world championship in HFT Choltice 2018 where the chief designer from JSB Jirka Prazan  shot from this rifle. Do you really think I would put this claim here if it were not true? This forum is also attended by Czech and Slovak users who would have thrown me in the face now, if it were not true.

And now the answer to why this rifle deserves more attention when it's just ".22 bolt action"
The answer is because it is perhaps the currently most accurate .22 airgun system in the world:



here I just copy the text I have already put on the video on youtube and why I think this statement can be true:
"
This is currently one of the most accurate airgun systems in the world. According to physical measurable data, it is probably the most  accurate one as it uses our developed and manufactured .22 bullets with highest BC 0.14 on the market in .22 caliber.
It has the world's best muzzle velocity consistency for .22 when the standard deviation is only 0.19ms (0.63fps) and the total deviation between the slowest and fastest shot was only 0.71ms (2.32fps) for 25 measured unsorted bullets.

Thanks to these parameters can achieve these top shooting results.
The biggest weakness of this airgun system is only my hands and my judgment on the direction and strength of the wind.
"

Perhaps one of you is able to disprove this claim. Just make the same evidence as I did. Thus best scope cam video, consistency measurement, proof of higher BC given bullet. So take LabRadar and do the same measurement as I do.
My contention is currently based on my research on the internet,  where the closest competition is the new FX impact designed for slug ( STX Slug Liner ).  but since the NSA bullet has at .22 lower BC and I haven't found a video where the rifles would have a better consistency, I will stand behind my statement without proof of the opposite.

Maybe Nomadic Pirate will bring this proof, who knows and that's the interesting thing about it 

[Tweeter]

Looks great, any idea on when we will be able to purchase this (M24 and ammo) in the USA?  By the end of the year or sooner?  I'll be honest, I have not much use for an airgun like this but it would be cool to have to shoot long range.

[Atom]

12 cc plenum 

[rsterne]

All I can say is darn good shooting !!!

I looked up that scope, and it is SFP, so assuming it is calibrated at 10X (as most MilDot scopes are), using the reticle specs. on the SWFA website, we can get a close idea of the distance to target (in case you were wondering)…. Assuming the scope is 16X, as claimed by SWFA, we can calculate the approximate range.... The small target disc is ABOUT 0.4 apparent Mils in diameter in that video, and the larger disc is ABOUT 0.7 apparent Mils in diameter.... That is the best estimates I could get by slowing the video to 1/4 speed and then pausing it to guage the sizes....

By definition, 1 Mil is 10 cm at 100 M.... That works out to (205 / 100) x 10 = 20.5 cm at 205 M.... When viewed at 16X instead of 10 X, that works out to (10 / 16) x 20.5 = 12.8 cm per MilDot…. A 10 cm target would appear about 0.78 MilDots in size and a 6 cm target would appear about 0.47 MilDots in size at 16X at 205 M, if the scope reticle is accurately calibrated at 10X.... Considering how hard it is to accurately determine the size of the target, compared to the reticle, in the scope cam view.... and the fact that the reticle calibration is not accurately known.... I think it very likely that the target size and range as claimed by Ondrej is very likely correct and not exaggerated....

Bob

[rsterne]

A 12 cc plenum, while small for the FPE level, should be able to achieve the power claimed (78 J = 58 FPE) with the relatively high regulator setpoint of 160 bar (2320 psi)…. Again, I don't see any claim there that is impossible.... In addition, it is easier to get more FPE with a heavy projectile, and IIRC the bullets used are 40 gr?

Bob

[MJP]

I believe that is fixed 16x swfa scope.

Marko

[oldpro]

I believe that is fixed 16x swfa scope.

Marko

I agree and its nice to see some useful information finally come out of this thread. 

[Altaros]

It is a riflescope with a fixed magnification of 16x, the MilDot for this rifle scope is the same for all only increases or decreases according to the zoom. It is well visible in this video where a 20X42 SWFA that have 20x magnification was used, that is different:
     (the difference is also in the  camera zoom)
Diamand = 1MIL, line 0.5 MIL
When I round it up for better counts, 1MIL has 20cm at 200m, and 6cm / 20cm = 0.3 MIL

And that I not forget so thank you and I am glad that the video is like. Unfortunately, the place where I shoot will be less accessible now.
I will try to make some 100m video in the tunnel shooting range. Unfortunately here is a pretty bad light so I don't know if anything will be useful.

[Altaros]

I will add (this video is already here but on the same page will be better applied than before ).
 This video is made practically in the same place, just from October 2017. The same rifle, but using the JSB 18.1 grain pellets. The difference between pellets and bullets is extreme. 
I was quite proud of this shooting at that time. Today I only come back to pellets for funny shooting at 50m or when I want to relax with my semi auto airgun.

[rsterne]

Marco, you are correct, it is a fixed 16X scope.... I could not find the calibration magnification on the SWFA website, so I assumed the usual 10X.... Having the reticle calibrated for 16X would require a different reticle in every scope, but perhaps SWFA do that?.... If the reticle is indeed true MilDots at 16X, then those targets would be about 150M away, I misstated above and removed that comment.... What the range is depends on the reticle calibration.... 

Sometimes when I try and help I just fuddle it all up.... 

If anyone KNOWS the reticle calibration for that scope, then we can clear it up instantly....

Bob

[Christopher]

According to their website https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-16x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-3.html the mildot spacing on their 16x scope is 1 mil. (Click on the reticle image for details) If I read it correctly hopefully the link works.
Bullet weight, according to the video posted, is 35.5 grains. So that would be pushing the bullet at about 850 FPS at stated power of 78J or about 58 fpe as Bob has already mentioned.

Thanks,
Chris

[rsterne]

I saw that diagram, but since they use that reticle on other scopes, I assumed it would be calibrated at 10X.... You know what happens when I assume…. 

OK, same calculations, but if calibrated at 16X.... Distance between MilDots at 100M would be 10 cm.... The large target appears significanty larger than 1/2 MilDot, about 0.7 MilDots, and the small target appears slightly smaller than 1/2 MilDot, about 0.4 MilDots, on that video.... If the large target is 10 cm and the small one is 6 cm, as stated, then we can estimate the range as follows....

(1 / 0.7) x (10 / 10) x 100 = 143 M

(1 / 0.4) x (6 / 10) x 100 = 150 M

These distances are only as good as my estimate of the target size compared to the MilDot spacing shown in the scope cam, of course.... However, if the reticle is calibrated at 16X, then at 205 M the 10 cm target would be slightly LESS than 1/2 MilDot instead of significantly more.... and the small target would be shorter than the height of the diamonds marking the MilDots on the reticle.... I don't see it that way.... Could be just my eyes, however....

If you guys are sure that the reticle MilDot spacing is correct at 16X, then it would be difficult to believe that the range was over 200M.... Don't shoot the messenger, just using the math.... 

I am more inclined to believe Ondrej than my estimate of the apparent target size on a video where the image is jumping around.... It's not like they are totally out of whack or obviously wrong.... Any way you want to look at it, that is still some darn fine shooting.... 

Bob

[Dairyboy]

Having had many SWFA scopes I believe there all the same reticle. Basically like having a FFP scope. I had 10x,12x and 16x. The 10x was the smallest and finest, then the 12x was definitely alittle bigger, the 16x even bigger as though zooming in with an FFP. Not sure if that makes any difference??

[rsterne]

The 10x was the smallest and finest, then the 12x was definitely alittle bigger, the 16x even bigger as though zooming in with an FFP.

That sounds like the reticle is indeed calibrated for the magnification of the scope.... so 1 MilDot on the reticle would be 20.5 cm at 205 M.... Thanks, Dillon.... The larger, 10 cm target, should therefore be 1/2 MilDot at that range.... and it's "close enough" to that, IMO.... I am satisfied that the video is genuine.... 

Bob

[Altaros]

 so I bring some news.
First, I made further progress towards full production automation bullet on our prototype machine. We are still missing the automatic measurement of every bullet and the automatic logical decision-making process for the discarded bullet, which would be out of production tolerance.
The reason why I was spent a little time around this improvement was to have more time to complete the M24 series production later, since the production of bullets for my own use would be fully automated and therefore in the end I will have more time.

I also add photos of Altaros SA Assassin variant in black stock:

[skorec]

Probably because barrel length is only 485 mm the power and efficiency is not too high but accuracy is really  excellent and also  presentation on Altaros web side is also very good.
It is probably most accurate pellet  bullpup  for distances up to 50 yd and/or no windy condition.


Congratulation - Ondrej
Did you measure   loudness and trigger pool power ?