Weihrauch Quality dip continues

[gene_sc]

Harry it is sad that even HW has lost some quality control and now are falling in the ranks of company's like RWS. I guess myself and allot of others like me have been pretty lucky to get some very prestine air guns from HW. Myself would cry if I had experience what you and HWNut have experienced.

Fair is fair and I guess I will have to be extra weary of my next HW purchase.

[harry palmer]

Thanx Gene, but we have another thread on the BBS started by U.K Neil who makes custom air -strippers,moderator adapters etc and is well respected in the U.K. airgun community,-Weihrauch really need to sort themselves out-     http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?549302-Another-Example-Of-Weihrauch-Quality..................

Take care

Kenny.

[MarcsPanther]

This was a sad momment.
I'm glad I like the Beeman rename of Weihrauch.
It seems they have more control on their quality.
I have never heard anything bad about a German Beeman.

[London177]

Hello all,
For what it's worth I own a HW77K from I think the early to mid' 1980's. I also own a three year old HW80K. Comparing the two I'd say the '77K is a much better finished airgun and reflects something made nearly thirty years ago. However the latter 80K is still nicely made and shoots well and is very consistent with a FPS spread of10FPS over ten shots.
I am very happy with the newer rifle. At the moment I am deciding whether to buy a new Air Arms TX200 or a Weihrauch HW97K. I will of course pay close attention to what you say Kenny.
Good luck,
Alan

[Nightstalker]

I used to own a HW 85 Luxus,,Don't No more.The gun only had 50 shots through it and the barrel dropped due to a bad lockup.Had to tear it down because the liner buckled and almost ruined the compression tube.The trigger screw which I never touched was seized,(As per the 2nd owner),so I tuned it,Vorteked it and got rid of it as fast as I could.It was OK for me after all that,,But the guy that bought it only got a tin through it and the cocking arm started digging the guide.

Air Arms for my next time for a springer,,or a Diana,maybe if they start rifling the barrels on center. Too bad the 2 most popular MFG's have chosen poor QC over their customer's.Thank Goodness I have a 8 groove 350 Vortek'd and a decent 12 groove 34P,(Which I still wish was a 8 groove).Oops,,maybe I shouldn't say that as that will probably cause the all knowing Guru to get upset,lol.

[ezman604]

Well, I can only speak for MY personal experience and I have a fantastic rifle in my HW97K. I bought it a few months ago from AoA and it is the most accurate gun I've ever seen right out of the box. And the fit and finish couldn't be better. But there is also enough chatter about bad quality that I have sent Hans Weihrauch an email with links to both this thread and the one above. He may not be aware of quality issues and I can only hope he will read these and take action. We will see.
I'll be sure to post his response.

[Smaug]

But there is also enough chatter about bad quality that I have sent Hans Weihrauch an email with links to both this thread and the one above. He may not be aware of quality issues and I can only hope he will read these and take action. We will see.[/font][/size]

I bet he will, ezman. His name is on the guns, after all. He may not post about it here, but I bet he will do something. I know I would.

[Nightstalker]

Well Dez,I am Happy the HW 97K you got is a good one.I was actually going to buy one myself,,but after the fiasco with the 85 Luxus,,I think I'll go with the TX if I buy an under lever.I'm sure Happy my 350's a proper 8 groove and she's an all around beautiful rifle,but it seems the T06 Models are suffering from off centered bores and low velocities. Figures,,my 2 favorite MFG's are going south on the QC,,,and then to read  all the negative posts lately, shows they are doing just that.

What I don't understand is,,''Air Arms has rifles that are like they have been tuned right out of the box'',and HW and Diana can't put the same quality out? I'll tell you one thing,,(the prices they want for them),they should be like a tuned rifle out of the box!

Then we've got guy's,(make that singular) telling us we're supposed to be Happy with it, and just shoot it!! Seems that's easy to say when your not paying for it.

Anyway,,Hopefully some of these posts will make them rethink their QC!

JMHO,Thanks

P/S: And btw,,from now on at least for me,,(I think Ed's got the right idea),,Why pay Big Bucks for a brand name rifle that needs to be tuned to be decent,instead pay less than half and tune a Good Chinese rifle and have just as good in the end.

JOMHO

[Firewire]

I just received a HW50S yesterday and it's my first Air Gun since the early 80's when I was a kid and got a plastic pump action Crossman.  So I am not up to speed like a lot of you on here.  But taking a look at mine, my stock isn't completely finished near the inside break action area either (underside of stock) and both trigger guard screws were loose enough to move with my finger nail.  But everything else was pretty quality like my rimfire and centerfire guns.  The red paint on the safety could have been applied a little better though.  

I did however, fully oil the exterior 3 times with Slip2000 http://www.slip2000.com/general_info.html and wiped down then applied a 4th coat and let it soak overnight.  The blueing looks really deep and nice now.  (I double checked on the slip2000 website and it is safe for airguns.)

So for someone like me it was pretty nice for a $380 gun, but from what this thread says I guess quality was even better at one time!

[Nightstalker]

Very nice Firewire.It's nice to hear you've received one in fine shape.It's very hard for me to speak poorly of those 2 mfg's,but I guess it has to be done to ensure they realize exactly what's going on.I do understand things have to be done to help cut the costs of an AG,but I really don't see the sense in cutting QC on two of the finest airguns,(Or at least they used to be),just to save a $,and then leave the customer to bear the brunt.

I hope my next HW turns out OK as the people I buy from gives them the once over,,but sometimes it's what's inside that a person can't see at first glance.

I love this sport way to much to ever give it up on it, so lets hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears.

Anyway,I still have hope that Weihrauch may fix this problem as Dave's HW97 proves that they can still turn out Quality rifles! Lets hope this is just a short term problem,and it's fixed asap,because, I still want my HW97K in .177,so I'm hoping I might be able to hold off on the TX200 and try a 97K yet.

Thanks

 

[Mark 611]

Bandit, if I were you and can afford it I'd get the Pro Sport over the TX JMO, I also hope that theirs no issues with the next batch of HW's that come into the states because I intend to buy a new HW77k! I've had nothing but good luck with HW/Beeman guns! I have about 10 or so I've bought new and have had several used ones and have not had any problems with them at all!

[JimL911]

I have picked up a 30S, 50S, 77 and 95 in the past year. The only problems other than being over lubed and one slightly nicked piston seal; the 30 & 50 have lighter finish in some recessed areas of the inletting. The 30 also has a discoloured 1/4" stripe across the tube. Maybe tape residue when blued or shortly afterward. No other internal or external problems or flaws. These are "tools" not works of art, and as long as they put the pellets where I want(and they do), I can live with these minor flaws.

[Nightstalker]

With All DUE Respect,Perhaps they are tools for you,,But for most of us they are also collectables and it matters to me if they are marred up or nicked here and there.You might not take Pride in what you shoot,,But I know I do,so Please don't Dictate to others what's exceptable,and what's not.
Thanks,,but I've already had one Dictator try and tell me what I'm supposed to be satisfied with when I pay as much as I did for the guns I own.

Some aren't fussy,(And that's their choice)But when I go to sell anything I own,Anyone who knows me personally will buy anything they want that I have to sell.I'm always a bit leary of some,(And I said only some) who hide who they are,their email address's, and don't even share their real name's,(But also their Choice).Opinions can always vary,,but I don't tell anyone what, or what not, is acceptable,so it's a personal choice in my books.

Thanks

P/S: Thanks Mark,,I am going to do just that as it looks like a nice little rifle,but,After hearing what some thinks of the AA's internals,and the problems with their guide rings,,I may have to rethink that choice as well.I just wish Diana and HW would start turning out guns with Quality like my 350 on a regular basis.It's seems the Quality they've always had is becoming a thing of the past,,,and that's just Sad!

[Flounder_Pounder]

I did find it curious that nobody wore safety eye protection, or any shields, at their machines.  I found this amusing after the earlier narration ,in the beginning, about the plexglass shields for the protection of the employees.
Steel and eyes don't play well together.

No eye protection at all is odd for factory setting...

Travis T

[hjets]

I've only owned 1 Weihrauch rifle.  It's the HW97K in stainless.  I don't have a complaint about the rifle as it's extremely accurate after I learned how to shoot a springer.  My mean woman is with their customer service.
I recently sent an email to their Customer service department asking if the adjustable buttplate that's on the wood thumbhole model would fit on my synthetic stock and if there was a parts distributor here in the US.  After 2 weeks without a reply, I resent the original request telling them I had not heard from them and this was a second request for the info.  Within a day, I received a reply from a guy named Maxim Doos in Customer Service saying, AND ONLY SAYING, that they did reply.  No info, nothing other than they did reply.  Naturally, I had to send a follow up telling him in no uncertain terms that he was an idiot and why would I request the same information if I had received it.  Another email from Maxim followed telling me that the buttplate would not fit my synthetic stock but still no information of a distributor of parts here in America.
Another email concerning the HW101, a single shot version PCP rifle, asking when it would be available here in the US has still gone unanswered.
I realize that a big company gets tons of email but reasonable requests for information should be answered.  This type of Customer Service will make me look very hard at a different brand of rifle for my PCP rifle purchase.