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harry palmer · « **on:** July 01, 2011, 08:08:36 PM »

Just thought I`d let you know about quality problems I`ve had with what used to be my favourite airgun brand.

A couple of years back I bought a nice HW35KLS (blue laminate stock) which refused to do no more than 8.5 ft/lbs due to a badly machined transfer port.

next up was my recent purchase a HW99s which first time out got me a silver medal at a club HFT comp.This rifle started galling really badly ,so made up an insert, but then the power went south and the gun became inconsistent,The mainspring had been been roughly cut down with a hacksaw by the british importers to meet our 12 ft/lb limit....without the cut part being tidied up!..so it was bye bye HW99s

Finally I persevered and bought a 0.177 HW30s only to find that when you fired it the barrel flopped loose ,at this point I flipped .I took it back and walked out with a new Hatsan 60s (aka Winchester 850 XS22),Beeman P17 pistol (so far 1700 pellets and no leaks),carrying case and a good supply of 0.177 RWS R10 match pellets/0.22 Hobbies.

I`ve also checked the club HW30s and its barrel lock up could be better.I still have my 20 year old HW35 ,but I`ll be steering clear of new Weihrauchs.seems they are heading back towards these problems. http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?236018-Weihrauch-Engineering-I-m-Disgusted....&s=553fd26a0a00e362e2df63647c6bd387

Regards

Harry

ac12 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2011, 12:46:44 AM »

Well you can't blame the 99's problem on Weihrauch.

Rocker1 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:08:50 AM »

Thats really bad I am glad the american ones are not rated at 12 ft pounds, some one needs to let them know whats happening that is shoody work to say the least for such a expensive ag. Thanks David

ezman604 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:01:42 AM »

If their quality IS going down, I can't imagine owning one of the better models. I recently purchased an HW97K. I am amazed every time I pick her up. I never would have thought you could get this accuracy and consistancy from an out of the box air rifle. Plus the fit and finish is excellent. I have to disagree with your assessment of Weihrauch on a whole, but you seem to have gotten some lemons. And as ac12 said, it doesn't seem to be a factory issue but quality of the butcher that was assigned to lower the power to meet regulations. Sad...
And as David says, Weihrauch needs to know what is happening to their guns after they leave their factory and before they reach the customer.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave

Onebaddj · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:02:52 AM »

Sorry to hear bout ge problems youve had. The hacking of the spring without dressing up the end is horrible. I deff write hw a little letter just lettingthem know about their overall quality and put that exaample in there with as much of the who what when and where of it. I would like to think HW dosnt know somebody is just doing butcher work to their guns and sending them out the door.

Good luck with your future guns. And keep us posteif you do write them.

ezman604 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:20:26 AM »

Definitely contact them...
http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/englisch/e_startseite/e_index.htm

I sent them a message and actually received a reply from the president of the company.

harry palmer · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2011, 12:23:32 PM »

Thanks for the replies,-I think that the special relationship between Dr Beeman and the Weihrauch family could explain why you don`t often get these problems with Beeman R7 s,R9 s and the like (even though Dr Beeman in no longer involved).
As for letting Weihrauch know ,well it`s already been done by various people on the British Airgun BBS and still problem rifles keep popping up.As for me I`ll be saving up for a HW70 pistol (once I get back from my Florida holiday

) , but if I get another new rifle it won`t be a HW!

Take care

Kenny.

miro · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2011, 04:16:34 AM »

My HW95 - rear sight has a inclination. Dovetail and front sight on one line, but rear sight on another line, so for comfort shooting i must use a diopter on dovetail. German handmade, yeah...

bart the fart · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2011, 02:25:41 PM »

Sorry to hear this Harry, although not the first time I've heard of a import hack job on a spring. i cant remember where i saw it last week, but I saw a butchard spring came out of a HW77. If HW knew just how bad of a hack job their importers where doing, you would think HW would have different springs to go to different country's?...like US gets "full" size spring and UK gets a 12 flbs. one,and so on,,not just a "snip and ship" spring? But with all that being said.....if i where in your shoes, I'd still buy HW and plan on buying a quality drop in replacement spring......yeah this not worthy to have to do but HW make GREAT stuff, just wish they had a better importer who "works on" the spring before it goes to the UK......these are my thoughts on a bummer spring...Bart

Kneewalker · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2011, 04:50:12 PM »

FWIW, my San Raphael stamped Beeman HW35EB was re-barreled by Beeman shortly after I got it in 1980 because a burr right at the crown would make a very noticeable scar on a pellet. Interestingly, I never noticed a difference in accuracy.

Paul Stakun · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2011, 12:22:08 AM »

I'm surprised you feel that way. I just bought a HW97K and the quality is every bit as good as my 30 year old R-8. Between all my PCPs and springers, I think my 97 is the most accurate and is a pleasure to shoot.

dimitri · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:46:56 AM »

I don't know how many of you seen this. if not, you must see this to have an understanding that, there is no way, they can compromise the quality as everything is under one room and very well defined process.

here we go.

Bullit · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2011, 05:06:22 PM »

dimitri,
Anyone can make a bad/lesser part.

If it involves more than 1 part it has twice the chance of failure.
With today's bean-counters, it wouldn't surprise me at all, that parts get thrown in, at times, to make the daily till.

I did find it curious that nobody wore safety eye protection, or any shields, at their machines. I found this amusing after the earlier narration ,in the beginning, about the plexglass shields for the protection of the employees.
Steel and eyes don't play well together.

KennyK · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2011, 07:07:32 PM »

Hi!
New on here and this is my first post!
This question on Weihrauchs quality dropping, is at the moment going around the forums over here in the UK as well.
Mostly about internals, but also about cosmetics!
When I was a lad, Weihrach was the name on the top of all airgunners wantz list.
Unfortunatly, its not so any more.
I love them, dont get me wrong, I have two, but reading what I do, I sit and think sometimes if its worth trying out something new.

Ive just purchaced a cheap SMK XS78CO2, my first co2 gun, to see if I can get on without the recoil of my springers, lol.
At the moment it seems ok, accurate, easy to load, etc etc.
Gonna see what Weihrauck has on offer in co2, and compare them.

Mind you, the SMK is on sale over here at 102.00 sterling.

What is the power output allowed over in the States?
Ken

samTN · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2011, 08:24:39 PM »

Hi KennyK and welcome to the GTA.

I do not believe there is a power output limit here in the USA. Many of us love high power air rifles.

KennyK · « **Reply #15 on:** July 11, 2011, 06:57:56 AM »

Hi!
Right, thats made me grumpy now, lol.
We are stuck with 12lbs as you know, and this allows us to shoot rabbits at the most.
Not much poke for anything much bigger.

gene_sc · « **Reply #16 on:** July 11, 2011, 09:33:46 AM »

Harry if the spring was hacked by the importer in England then it is not a HW quality problem. If someone takes any of these guns appart that do not know what they are doing and put them back together you will most likely encounter problems down the line.

Give us your positive report on their accuracy, trigger pull and overall fit and finish. Lets be fair...

harry palmer · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2011, 05:12:14 PM »

Quote from: gene_sc on July 11, 2011, 09:33:46 AM

Harry if the spring was hacked by the importer in England then it is not a HW quality problem. If someone takes any of these guns appart that do not know what they are doing and put them back together you will most likely encounter problems down the line.

Give us your positive report on their accuracy, trigger pull and overall fit and finish. Lets be fair...

Gene I`ve been busy so I`ve not had a chance to think much about this thread.But look at it from my side; I`ve now had 3 lemons in row ,meaning that I,ve spent over a $1000 on defective kit (the nasty severe galling on my HW99s WAS a Factory fault, even if the m/spring wasn`t) ;so how can I be positive?After the HW35kls ,I gave Weihrauch the benefit of the doubt and bought the 99s and the 30s, now I call that fair,but enough is enough.

I got back from Orlando last week and bought a really nice Birmingham made Webley Stingray 0.22 and cleared out my old HW35!

Take care

Kenny.

HWNut · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2011, 06:56:33 PM »

Springs get chopped in the HW factory. I live in Germany and even I get the chewed off 5.5ft/lbs springs. But it isn't a "recent quality drop" they do it for quite some time. But supposedly they have fixed the problem at the beginning of 2011.

To cosmetics I can add these images of a newly bought HW80.

Brown stains on the bluing, inner part of the stock isn't 100% finished, mangled breech bolt...

The stains are on the barrel, breech and cylinder. I would say the bluing pretty much s***s as it comes out of the factory. The stocks are made in Italy though.

harry palmer · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2011, 08:25:05 PM »

Quote from: HWNut on July 29, 2011, 06:56:33 PM

Springs get chopped in the HW factory. I live in Germany and even I get the chewed off 5.5ft/lbs springs. But it isn't a "recent quality drop" they do it for quite some time. But supposedly they have fixed the problem at the beginning of 2011.

To cosmetics I can add these images of a newly bought HW80.

Brown stains on the bluing, inner part of the stock isn't 100% finished, mangled breech bolt...

The stains are on the barrel, breech and cylinder. I would say the bluing pretty much s***s as it comes out of the factory. The stocks are made in Italy though.

Thanks HWnut ,I was beginning to think I was being seen as a nit-picking brit!

Regards

Kenny.

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