Any one ever heard of the Dynamic PCP air rifle?

[Wayne52]

Paul I flipped a coin to see which gun I packed tomorrow, the DAR177 won over the Prod.  They're both pretty darned quiet too is why I opted for these two to flip on.  I'm going for the stealth mode in the morning, I even have a blind to sit in that's been there for a long time.  I'm thinking it's probably someone's deer blind from a year or two ago, it's even got a chair in it but I'm bringing a bucket to sit on.  I'll be using the JSB 13.43 grain in it.  I made sure the mag is full and I'll keep pellets with me too.  I'm getting about 25fpe with it which will even be capable of a raccoon if I happen to see one.  I haven't used it in quite a while and the pressure is already topped off from the last time I was thinking about using it.

Wayne, I'm going to miss that .177 the most!  If I buy a Gen 2 when they are released, it will probably be the .177.  I'm curious as to what would need to be changed to make it to where you could convert one to different calibers?  I'm thinking maybe just the bolt, barrel and TP, what do you think?

My DAR's are about the only guns I've been using lately, mostly the 25 cal.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

They are tack drivers, I hope the Gen 2 model is essentially the same minus the o-ring issues and stripped grub screws. The design is extremely easy to work on and the power and accuracy are amazing.

[Wolverineshooter]

Now Nova Liberty is here and looks really good with the 4500psi air tube, two level power, adjustable regulated, and my .177 DAR leaks air again.decision, decision.

[deerflyguy]

Well, gents, this is the day I have been waiting for!
The mailman just left my refund checks for the three DARs that I bought!
Aimsport, and Sportsman's Guide both came through for me!
I have only praise for their customer service and how they stood behind the DAR's!
I think everyone involved in this unfortunate episode must have learned a lot from the experience?
Now, I can go on and get myself involved in yet another escapade, hopefully with far less ramifications than the summer of 2018!

[Wolverineshooter]

Emailed Ed of Aimsports the weekend, no response. Called Aimsports yesterday and I was told they will find their airgun guy and get back to me, but nobody ever called back. I called them today several times and reached no one.

Called Sportsmansguide 1-800-888-3006 half an hour ago, discussed my options and we agreed on the following:

I will keep hold of my guns until the new updated version is released, then I will get a label to ship the guns back to the SG to
   1. Either even Exchange for the upgraded guns
   2. Or get refund in case there is no upgrade or if the upgrade is not desirable.

I hope the version 2 will work out and be competitive. The Nova Liberty is very enticing but I think I will hold off on that and wait for the upgrade.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Emailed Ed of Aimsports the weekend, no response. Called Aimsports yesterday and I was told they will find their airgun guy and get back to me, but nobody ever called back. I called them today several times and reached no one.

Called Sportsmansguide 1-800-888-3006 half an hour ago, discussed my options and we agreed on the following:

I will keep hold of my guns until the new updated version is released, then I will get a label to ship the guns back to the SG to
   1. Either even Exchange for the upgraded guns
   2. Or get refund in case there is no upgrade or if the upgrade is not desirable.

I hope the version 2 will work out and be competitive. The Nova Liberty is very enticing but I think I will hold off on that and wait for the upgrade.

Nice!  I wasn't offered the option of holding on to them and shipping them back when the Gen 2 is released!  I hope, for your sake, you got this in writing and got the name of who you spoke to!  The person I spoke to gave me the option of returning for a refund, or being stuck with orphaned air guns! 

Mine were delivered to SG today, so now I wait for the refund.  I'm currently debating what to do.  I may go for one of the Nova Vista Liberty's in .177 and hope it's as accurate as the DAR177 was.  Then part of me says hold off and get a Marauder in .177 and know what you're getting.  Then another part of me says wait and see what JSAR has up their sleeve come December...  Decisions, decisions... 

[Gertrude]

Greg,
I am not sure that SG had given you accurate/correct information.

I have remained in contact with AIM / DAR, and it is my understanding they are currently drafting a letter regarding the recall and full refund offer, that should be made public in the next few days.
 It is my understanding that the refund/exchange offer is going to be limited to a deadline of Dec. 1, 2018.

This would mean that whoever has purchased the DAR rifles will have until Dec. 1, 2018 to decide if they
1- want to send these guns back by Dec 1 2018 for a full refund,
 or,
2- send the guns back by Dec 1 2018 to be put on a list for a replacement upgraded gun once they arrive from the manufacturer.

It will NOT mean there is an option of holding onto the gun(s) you currently have until the upgraded guns arrive.

If SG had told you that, I think they are mistaken.

I will update you all as I hear more.
 

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

This would mean that whoever has purchased the DAR rifles will have until Dec. 1, 2018 to decide if they
1- want to send these guns back now for a full refund,
 or,
2- be put on a list for a replacement upgraded gun once they arrive from the manufacturer.

Well, that just added a 4th option!   

[Gertrude]

This would mean that whoever has purchased the DAR rifles will have until Dec. 1, 2018 to decide if they
1- want to send these guns back now for a full refund,
 or,
2- be put on a list for a replacement upgraded gun once they arrive from the manufacturer.

Well, that just added a 4th option!   

 Paul,
 I do not see where this adds a 4th option (?).
 as far as I have been told and all along from DAR,.. there has been,... and STILL ONLY is,...
   ...the original 2 options.
 This is what I was trying to explain to you in my recent PM to you.

I can understand that some folks have misinterpreted, misunderstood, or simply chosen to ignore what DAR's offer has been.
 The bottom line is this,

 They have stepped up to the plate in an almost unprecedented manner.
  They have accepted that the guns did not perform up to their quality standards, and they have made a open honest attempt to make it right to EVERYONE who has purchased the Gen 1 guns, by offering a basically "no questions asked" 100% refund.
 AND,...They did this in a rather timely manner, WITHOUT outside pressure or leverage.
They taken all of this "on the chin" as an unexpected, unfortunate financial loss on their part.

 What other airgun manufacturer or parts supplier has done this in recent history ? ? ?

Personally, I think they should be APPLAUDED ! ! !

 To me,...that shows a business who is truly committed to their customers,and wont leave them hanging with "Orphaned" guns.
 I have a lot of respect for a company who shows that much interest in their customers, and I for one, will be a repeat customer just for that fact.

 Sure,...I'm disappointed that this happened.
 Sure,... I loved my Gen 1 DAR.
 Sure,... I could have just gone and Fabbed some parts and fixed my personal gun myself and been quite happy with it.
But instead,
 When I saw the initial design (and potential these guns seem to show), I chose to contact them in a friendly and non contesting manner, to see if I could help.
I did not ask them for anything in return. I told them I am an avid airgunner, that I liked their product, and I would be happy to help them make the necessary corrections, so that we ALL could have a impressive budget minded shooter.

When they realized I was for real, and that the PCP community I was representing was greater than they had expected... They wasted No Time accepting the advise and assistance I was offering... As well as demonstrating to me (and ALL of us) that they are not some garage hobbyist that may be here today, and gone tomorrow.

I respect them for that, and I will gladly wait for the upgraded models to arrive.

So to summerize,
There are only TWO options for the recall as I have already explained.
 IMO, They are rather generous options, and everyone has their own chance to either take them up on it, or not.
 It is each of our own choice.

What is NOT our choice (or rights) is to expect, or demand, anything beyond the refund or replacement, as they have offered.
 

[Lastdog]

To me there are only two options. Love or money.
If you love the gun then keep it. For better or worse.
If you don’t. Take the money

Always remember. You can always buy another.

Hobby or addiction? I sure don’t know.

[Wolverineshooter]

SG said they will make a note on this. But who knows, if Aim had a new policy SG may have to oblige. Will see.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Wow!  Ron, I think you may have misinterpreted my post above.  I was referring to my options, not the options offered by Aim!  SG did not give me an option to receive another DAR, not to say that won't change once they receive the letter from Aim, but at the time I spoke to them, they only offered me a refund.  As for the options, that's just me trying to decide what I want to do, i.e.: 

1. Purchase a Nova Vista Liberty in .177;
2. Purchase a Marauder in .177;
3. Wait and see what JSAR is importing next (not to be announced until December), or
4. Wait for the release of the Gen 2 DAR177 and get that. 

Again, SG did not offer me any option other than get a full refund or keep the rifles.  Hopefully, once they receive the letter from Aim, that may change.

As for Aim, I have nothing but praise for how they handled the situation.  Specifically in my case, they went well above and beyond with how they handled my issues!  They definitely have my loyalty and regardless of what I decide in the near future, I definitely plan on owning a Gen 2 DAR, it's just a matter of do I want to wait for a replacement, or purchase something else now and then purchase a DAR when they are released in the future. 

I hope you did not take my comment above as anything negative toward Aim, because it sure wasn't intended that way! 

[Wayne52]

I would have a hard time giving mine up right now, is there anyone else out there still using theirs beside me   I'm just having nothing but a lot of fun with mine, they're about the only guns that I've been hunting with at all since I've bought all three.  My .177 is absolutely trouble free since I replaced the regulator o rings in it, I've had to baby sit my .25 a little but for the last month it's now trouble free, the .22 I simply haven't been messing with it much since the last time I shot it, it did leak out but I'm sure it's probably o rings at fault.

From what others have been saying is that the second generation will not be interchangeable at all, it's hard to see exactly what to expect from them for the GenII if indeed it ever comes out  

Heck I'm seeing those new Crosmans having as much if not more trouble than what I've been having with my DAR's

[Bob Pratl]

I also still have my .25 DAR which I'm still pleased with after I got all of the bugs out. Right now I have no intentions of parting with it unless the GEN II has major improvements and they give me a decent credit towards a upgrade. It's such a clean simple platform with a decent barrel and side lever I can't see a lot of improvements other then MUCH better quality control and premium O-Rings. I don't abuse or force any of my firearms so I expect to get good service out of it and I'm considering a GEN II in .22 if it meets my fancy. My big question is, what are they going to do with all of the returns, recondition, CRUSH or upgrade?

[Wolverineshooter]

If Gen2 is different from Gen1 then hard to see how they they would refurb it and sell.

[Wolverineshooter]

Wow!  Ron, I think you may have misinterpreted my post above.  I was referring to my options, not the options offered by Aim!  SG did not give me an option to receive another DAR, not to say that won't change once they receive the letter from Aim, but at the time I spoke to them, they only offered me a refund.  As for the options, that's just me trying to decide what I want to do, i.e.: 

1. Purchase a Nova Vista Liberty in .177;
2. Purchase a Marauder in .177;
3. Wait and see what JSAR is importing next (not to be announced until December), or
4. Wait for the release of the Gen 2 DAR177 and get that. 

Paul, I was considering the same things. Especially the Nova vista Liberty sounds very atractive to me with its laser accuracy and 4500psi fill. The price is very low considering its features. Still, I would like to keep DAR if it's GEN2 materialize and quality under control. I would keep my current DARs if we still could get parts but that seems not possible now

[Gertrude]

ok guys,
 Regarding the recalled Gen 1 rifles, I just received this letter from DAR Customer Service Dept.
  They asked me to share it here.

on edit - My lack of 'puter skills is showing here, so I'll see if I can get someone to help me out.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Well, gents, this is the day I have been waiting for!
The mailman just left my refund checks for the three DARs that I bought!
Aimsport, and Sportsman's Guide both came through for me!
I have only praise for their customer service and how they stood behind the DAR's!
I think everyone involved in this unfortunate episode must have learned a lot from the experience?
Now, I can go on and get myself involved in yet another escapade, hopefully with far less ramifications than the summer of 2018!

Bill,

How long did it take for SG to get you the refund check?  I received notification of my refunds, one said it would be refunded to the CC used to purchase it within 1 to 2 cycles, whatever that means. The other didn’t give a method in which they were going to refund it.  That was the first purchase.

It will be interesting to see if SG will reach out to anyone and offer a replacement since that wasn’t an option when I spoke to them about returning the 2 I had.

[Gertrude]

It will be interesting to see if SG will reach out to anyone and offer a replacement since that wasn’t an option when I spoke to them about returning the 2 I had.

SG will not be offering a replacement.
 They were only the Retailer.
 They can only offer a refund.
 
 The replacement offer is coming directly from DAR/Aim Customer Service Dept.,
 And, when the new models do come in,... The folks who opted for the replacements will be fulfilled directly by the DAR/Aim Customer Service Dept.

Please see my post above, for the official letter they just sent to me today.
They asked me to share it with the members here.

  (hopefully I did the attachment correctly ?)

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

It will be interesting to see if SG will reach out to anyone and offer a replacement since that wasn’t an option when I spoke to them about returning the 2 I had.

SG will not be offering a replacement.
 They were only the Retailer.
 They can only offer a refund.
 
 The replacement offer is coming directly from DAR/Aim Customer Service Dept.,
 And, when the new models do come in,... The folks who opted for the replacements will be fulfilled directly by the DAR/Aim Customer Service Dept.

Please see my post above, for the official letter they just sent to me today.
They asked me to share it with the members here.

  (hopefully I did the attachment correctly ?)

Ron,

Yep, I read the letter, unfortunately, when I spoke to Joe at Aim, I was told I could only return ithem both to SG, which I did. SG said they would only issue a refund, so both rifles have already been returned and the refunds have already been processed. Also, the letter mentions a 1st letter, which I never saw, and when I questioned Joe about sending the rifles back to Aim to  get a replacement instead of a refund, he said their established procedure was to return them to SG, so that’s what I did.

Essentially, I feel it’s too late now for me to get the replacement, which I would have preferred. I guess I’ll just wait till the Gen 2’s are released and see what my situation is at that point.

Aim was great to a point, but I really feel they let me down with the instruction I was given, just 2 short week ago because it sure wasn’t what was offered in that letter.