Suggestions for a scout set up...

[mentolio]

  So I'm reading up on the whole "scout/scope" set up thing, and have decided to start looking for a long eye relief scope for use on either my Streak or maybe my 1400. It seems (correct me if you feel differently) that Mac1 is the place to go for the mount. Now how about a scope? Should I be looking for a "pistol scope," or a "regular scope" with long eye relief? I'm not necessarily looking to "stay vintage" with my scope choice, nor to get too speedy. Any suggestions as to what you are using successfully would be appreciated.

[Back_Roads]

 Pistol scopes generally have about a 12" +- eye relief, Rifle scopes do not get much past 4". IMO pistol scope is needed. cheapest pistol scope I have found and purchased is NC Star brand.

[tennx]

Before I went with peeps...I used  center point pistol scope and the Mac 1 mount....ideal setup...good luck

PS mine was 2x20 while adequate for me ,u might look for a little more power such as the edge 2x7x28....

[Back_Roads]

 I agree low magnification is ok at pistol ranges, but when one has the capabilities of a rifle, extra magnification is a plus.

[Yng@hrt]

A Scout set up only works with a pistol scope. A Leopold would be my first choice followed by a Swift & definitely in a variable configuration if a budget allows. If not a 4X32mm is plenty of magnification for hunting etc. I wouldn't skimp on the mount or rings either. The Mac1 mount & Leopold rings are the best out there.

[DevilsLuck]

Having a Ruger Scout Rifle; I have to say the your scope options, even amongst powder burners are very limited. Now transpose that desire onto an air gun; and your options shrink exponentially. If you aren’t using the scope on a springer, and are using it in the scout configuration; you can likely get away with using a powder burner scope. I’ve often thought about doing the same thing. But with my springers. Given the well earned reputation springers have for being scope killers; I’ve never actually attempted to do it.
But I am interested to see what you come up with...

[45flint]

Just came in the house from successfully zeroing in my scout configuration with my Leupold Pistol scope.  I had to shim the back ring.  I used Burris, 1” Rimfire/Airgun rings I already bought several years ago for a Airgun Pistol project.  These Burris rings were not cheap as I remember but it was at a local gun shop.  The Mac-1 Mount is simply the best.  My pistol scope is 2 power probably be happier with 4?  There are specific long relief scout scopes made but I had the pistol scope and Leupolds are awesome quality.  Bought mine used of the bay 10 years ago.  So cost to me given I had the scope and rings in a drawer was the $50 mount from Mac-1.


Changed the relief length but these Leupold Pistol scopes are very forgiving on relief. 

[DevilsLuck]

Looks good! It'd be nice to see some snap shot on paper results to see how well the "scout" concept works on air rifles...

[45flint]

Looks good! It'd be nice to see some snap shot on paper results to see how well the "scout" concept works on air rifles...

It works about as good as the shooter!  .   Mine was dead on but I was at a table with the rifle on my elbow not bags.  I may try this week to maybe use bags to try to really test the system.  But to me I am as much testing the gun.  Can’t really separate the two.  Logic to me is a scout configuration would be no less accurate from a “normal” relief?  But higher magnification would be more practical with a “normal” scope.

Would the Scout Scope set up reduce parallax error? Seems it would?

[Yng@hrt]

Looks good! It'd be nice to see some snap shot on paper results to see how well the "scout" concept works on air rifles...

Sheridan & Benjamin S392P

[45flint]

Looks good! It'd be nice to see some snap shot on paper results to see how well the "scout" concept works on air rifles...

Sheridan & Benjamin S392P

That’s awesome are how are you holding the rifle? Looks like I’m following your lead, except for the shooting part. 

[Yng@hrt]

It's difficult to sum it up in a few words Steve.

Here's what works for me;

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=140500.0

[45flint]

It's difficult to sum it up in a few words Steve.

Here's what works for me;

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=140500.0

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But your on a bag, never done that.

[Yng@hrt]

But I'm on a bag? Of course I'm on a bag. If I wasn't I'd be off somewhere shooting exhibition for money.

[45flint]

But I'm on a bag? Of course I'm on a bag. If I wasn't I'd be off somewhere shooting exhibition for money.

Hey man didn’t mean that in a bad way.  I’m am just a rookie and never really took my shooting seriously.  I’m going to school on your technique and will be interested if this old 108 can get close to your groups.  Since our sighting systems are now similar it might be a interesting comparison for me.

[Yng@hrt]

I know you didn’t mean that in a bad way Steve.
 
Getting these results with a pumper off the bag is hard enough. There is no way I can come close to that off hand. These pumpers are not set up for this type shooting. Too many obstacles to over come.

I’m not sure what the 108 is like but I try to pay particular attention to the trigger pull of each make/model. So far the Sheridan's TP is by far the best (other than my highly modified 880). Half the battle is won or lost there. Practice, practice, practice, teaches you the exact moment the sear is released so there is no guess work or hesitation. Most shots are lost here.

[45flint]

I know you didn’t mean that in a bad way Steve.
 
Getting these results with a pumper off the bag is hard enough. There is no way I can come close to that off hand. These pumpers are not set up for this type shooting. Too many obstacles to over come.

I’m not sure what the 108 is like but I try to pay particular attention to the trigger pull of each make/model. So far the Sheridan's TP is by far the best (other than my highly modified 880). Half the battle is won or lost there. Practice, practice, practice, teaches you the exact moment the sear is released so there is no guess work or hesitation. Most shots are lost here.

I trigger on the 108 was very hard when I got it.  Terry had the same issue with his.  I took his recommendation and replaced the spring with one that was a little weaker and that helped a lot.  Doubt it’s at the level of your Sheridan.  Crosman developed a better trigger in the 60s but ‘I’m stuck in 1949.   

[Yng@hrt]

Changing the spring adds some relief although buffing/polishing the rough edges left behind by the casting of the hammer/sear adds tremendous gains. Not sure if you want to take it to this extreme but it is much easier than one would think & can be accomplished with fine grit sand paper. I would advise using high magnification & pay particular attention to all existing angles. Again, you are ONLY trying to smooth out the casting marks/edges.

[45flint]

Changing the spring adds some relief although buffing/polishing the rough edges left behind by the casting of the hammer/sear adds tremendous gains. Not sure if you want to take it to this extreme but it is much easier than one would think & can be accomplished with fine grit sand paper. I would advise using high magnification & pay particular attention to all existing angles. Again, you are ONLY trying to smooth out the casting marks/edges.

It really is not worth it to me to try anything beyond the spring.  I want to try to keep the gun as stock as possible to 1949.  I have only changed two parts the trigger spring and the front sight pin.  I am keeping both original parts with the gun.  The interesting part for me is preserving the gun as it was but still enjoying it.  And the new spring makes the trigger very workable.

[Habanero69er]

I've got a BSA 2x20 pistol scope on my Silver Streak. A 4x32 Simmons pistol scope on my Steroided Blue Streak, & a 4x32 Swift pistol scope on my Steroided 342. All are scout mounted on a Mac-1 IA scope base. All very accurate at my backyard shooting range of 27yds.
With a scout mounted scope, it makes it easier to pump the rifle because there is room behind the scope for a good hand hold.