100 yards: Most accurate PCP?

[wimpanzee]

Supposedly the .308 Texan has some potential as well.

[KnifeMaker]

People are using .224, .25, .257 and .308 bullet shooters to push that envelope. They work well at 200M as well. Of course we could just use powder burners or shoot airgun BR at 25M or 50M but where's the challenge in that?

So in truth, you have answered your own question of "Why not just use a PB?  For the challenge and for the fun of it of course!

Got the same question for years when I was part owner of an Archery Shop and Range. Same answer. That, and it is addicting!!!

Knife

Yes!

I've just been plinking for most of my time with air rifles; shooting 5" metal targets at 20-70+ yards using my Hammerli 850 on CO². I've gotten good enough at it that it wasn't as challenging or fun as I'd like! Now, I've got an HW30S on order with the notion of shooting aspirin sized targets at 30 yards "just for the fun of it!" We'll see how fun I can make it. :-)

[anti-squirrel]

For my sister's property, I use a powderburner at longer ranges.  However, they have nothing behind them for miles.  If I lived on a farm or had a permission for pesting, I'd focus on airguns as pellets travel less and they are considerably less likely to scare off other pests with a shot (given how many higher end guns are shrouded and/or silenced)... Plus between ammo cost and lower likelihood of a pellet to penetrate steel plating/roofing, an airgun is a better choice in many respects.

And for those who made costly mistakes as a youth and cannot legally use firearms, PCP airguns offer them a chance to enjoy power and precision shooting without breaking the law.

[Jman2311]

There really is no one gun most accurate at 100 yards.  Steve at AEAC got 1.2" at 100 yards with a cheif in .22 and 1.18 with the RAW .25 with the poly barrel.  Take a look through the long range club here and see what real people are doing with guns they own.  You'll see that even on some of the high end guns that accuracy isn't a guarantee.  Surprised no one has mentioned this yet.  Scroll to the bottom of the forum list and you'll find the long range club.

[Techie]

I look at the low power of an airgun as the main advantage over a .22 rimfire, in situations where using a PB gives more power than is needed.  Get an airgun up to PB energy levels and it loses that advantage.  Once an airgun is as powerful as a .22 rimfire or where that extra power is needed, it's just a whole lot easier to use the .22 rimfire.  Those big bore pellets end up costing as much as .22 rimfire ammo also.

However, this is all about PLAYING, so I understand we don't have to be totally practical or logical.  A potato cannon is not the best tool for any job either; it's just entertainment and a play thing.

Did I just compare your high-dollar big-bore airgun to a potato cannon?  Sorry!   

[MonsterMaxx]

The FX Crown seems to be getting a lot of attention lately, though it's not even on the top ten of AGD's Long Ranger Competition, which surprises me.
http://www.airgundepot.com/long-rangers.html

Bang for the buck I think you'd be hard pressed to surpass the Streamline .25 at 100 yds, beyond that, it's probably out of gas.  But mine does quite well at 100.

I had no trouble zeroing in on an egg at 160yards w/ a stock out of the box .30 FX Impact.  Though even at max holdover on my Athlon scope, it was not on target and I had to adjust zero - NBD.  I really like this gun and can highly recommend it.

The Huben K1 is getting a lot of chatter seems to be doing very well at longer range shots and is a true semi auto.  Factory pellets look a lot like bullets to me.  Availability is slim at best.  It's a very interesting platform in the $1.6k range...if you could actually get one.  It is a China gun though so don't expect Daystate fit and finish.  Still if performance is what counts, this one can't be overlooked.  Bunches of good threads on it.

Another one w/ long range chatter is the Taipan.  Can't say I've got any direct experience other than reading posts, but it too ought to be considered.

PCP is very addicting, tell your powder burner buddy that it's no cheap hobby either.  He can get a lot more gun in a PB than an airgun for the same $.  These airguns are spendy for sure.

[Marc In Iowa]

AGD's Long Ranger Competition

This is a nice thread about long range!

Here's the summary of the leader board.

AirgunDepot LongRangers Leaderboard
http://www.airgundepot.com/long-rangers.html
Shoot an exploding golf ball at 150+ yards.
Record a video and upload accomplishment.

Yards - air rifle
309 - FX Boss
277 - Kalibrgun Cricket
250 - Taipan Veteran
244 - Huben K1
232 - FX Impact
225 - FX Boss
225 - FX Boss
207 - Kalibrgun Cricket
205 - FX Bobcat
205 - FX Bobcat

[anti-squirrel]

The FX Crown seems to be getting a lot of attention lately, though it's not even on the top ten of AGD's Long Ranger Competition, which surprises me.
http://www.airgundepot.com/long-rangers.html

Bang for the buck I think you'd be hard pressed to surpass the Streamline .25 at 100 yds, beyond that, it's probably out of gas.  But mine does quite well at 100.

I had no trouble zeroing in on an egg at 160yards w/ a stock out of the box .30 FX Impact.  Though even at max holdover on my Athlon scope, it was not on target and I had to adjust zero - NBD.  I really like this gun and can highly recommend it.

The Huben K1 is getting a lot of chatter seems to be doing very well at longer range shots and is a true semi auto.  Factory pellets look a lot like bullets to me.  Availability is slim at best.  It's a very interesting platform in the $1.6k range...if you could actually get one.  It is a China gun though so don't expect Daystate fit and finish.  Still if performance is what counts, this one can't be overlooked.  Bunches of good threads on it.

Another one w/ long range chatter is the Taipan.  Can't say I've got any direct experience other than reading posts, but it too ought to be considered.

PCP is very addicting, tell your powder burner buddy that it's no cheap hobby either.  He can get a lot more gun in a PB than an airgun for the same $.  These airguns are spendy for sure.

FX guns seem to be very good, but I've read too many threads of people having QC and finish issues with them.  A fifteen-hundred-dollar airgun better look really nice and be problem free. 

I'm sure there's a lot of really accurate airguns out there that perform amazing.  But...

A: some people just don't care about the dong-wagging that accompanies long-range competitions.

B: some folks making crazy-long shots might have mundane guns with aftermarket barrels or prep, or perhaps are just phenomenal shots that are blessed with good conditions frequently

C: with all the higher-end guns out there, before worrying about long range shooting, I recommend figuring out what's going to be shot and then base the caliber and budget off that

[aceflier]

AGD's Long Ranger Competition

This is a nice thread about long range!

Here's the summary of the leader board.

AirgunDepot LongRangers Leaderboard
http://www.airgundepot.com/long-rangers.html
Shoot an exploding golf ball at 150+ yards.
Record a video and upload accomplishment.

Yards - air rifle
309 - FX Boss
277 - Kalibrgun Cricket
250 - Taipan Veteran
244 - Huben K1
232 - FX Impact
225 - FX Boss
225 - FX Boss
207 - Kalibrgun Cricket
205 - FX Bobcat
205 - FX Bobcat

I saw a Texan vid that should be the leader. Saw it on here somewhere. Think it was the .357 not sure. It's supposed to be the worst shooter in the Texan line if that tells you anything.

[rintafile]

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130647.msg1301581#msg1301581

[fishinglakes]

My RAW1000X with a polygon barrel that Martin built for me shoots more accurate at 100 yards than anything I have ever shot at that distance. I had Martin push up the power to shoot slugs and with the swaged 38 grain HP slugs from NSA, I couldn't be happier with its performance. Ron was correct in his description of me snickering while shooting eggs at 150. I sight in at 100 yards with cloverleafs. RAW IS THE WAY TO GO, it's the Formula 1 of guns, and one gun I will never sell. But, I'm probably a little biased...

[Pappy]

I can't believe some of the suggestions for this, pretty soon every brand air rifle will be listed.  Sheesh!   
In no particular order, RAW, Daystate, MT, Steyr, & FX.  Stay clear of the FX Crown .... rumors have it they are having some issues with the pellet probe, the O-rings for that "floating" very thin barrel, and contrary to all the hype, some accuracy issues.  It may end up a great rifle, but a word to the wise, wait a year until they work the bugs out.  Have you noticed, all the hype for the Crown has come to a screaming halt?  One last thought ..... put some good glass on a good rifle, so tired of people putting garbage glass on a good rifle, then complaining about it not holding zero, not clear, and all the other issues with junk glass.  You get what you pay for in this hobby, never could understand why people have 10 junk rigs when they could have one great rig?  Have him check out what the real competition shooters are using, both in Field Target and Extreme Benchrest ...... there is good reason why you don't see most of the brands mentioned in this thread.

My $.02

Pappy

[Marc In Iowa]

... pretty soon every brand air rifle will be listed.

Well, when you talk about the most accurate PCP, there's a lot going on ... yes?

Repeatability ... golf ball challenge records just a single hit
Skill ... varies all over the individual map
Variability ... 1 rifle great, next same model, maybe not

I've watched YouTube recordings of Ultimate Benchrest or Gunslynger or Field Target competitions in order to get some sense of which rifles consistently deliver accuracy for their shooters. Not so easy to know!

I found this video instructive:

[Straight Shooter]

Pappy I totally agree with your last comments, good glass has to been a part of the best 100 yard PCP "rigg"

[rkr]

I can't believe some of the suggestions for this, pretty soon every brand air rifle will be listed.  Sheesh!   

No one has suggested BSA yet They have ruled the Dutch series for years, unfortunately they require some power tuning to reach appropriate power levels in .25.

[dyotat100]

... pretty soon every brand air rifle will be listed.

Well, when you talk about the most accurate PCP, there's a lot going on ... yes?

Repeatability ... golf ball challenge records a single hit
Skill ... varies all over the individual map
Variability ... 1 rifle great, next same model, maybe not

I've watched YouTube recordings of Ultimate Benchrest or Gunslynger or Field Target competitions in order to get some sense of which rifles consistently deliver accuracy for their shooters. Not so easy to know!

I found this video instructive:

You can't go buy what he is shooting. He gets stuff that's not available to public. I can almost guarantee what he shot last year was a special barrel in his impact.

FX will do what ever it takes to win at EBR. 2 years ago I had one of them shooting next to me to me and they called time the guy fired over 10 shots after time was called. Then in the finals they talked one of the shooters to shoot a impact. They were helping him after it started and disrupting the shooters. The guy was next to me and finally were told no one past the line except the shooter.

Last year when Ted won, they gave away a impact at the banquet. It just happened to not have a barrel on it and you had to contact AOA to get the barrel.

So FX and EBR is a do what ever it takes to win situation.

[Marc In Iowa]

He [Ted Bier, winner of Extreme Benchrest 2016] gets stuff that's not available to public. I can almost guarantee what he shot last year was a special barrel in his impact.

Just so you know ... I didn't post that video to worship at the feet of Ted Bier or FX. That video highlights practice, varying conditions, studying how a particular rifle shoots a particular pellet at what speed, discipline and probably other aspects I haven't listed.

I don't know if Ted Bier has specially constructed rifles or not. I do know he puts the time in and that's the key aspect of the video. If you want to push the envelope you've got to be willing to invest the time.

[rintafile]

In Netherlands those BR competitions are inside range.... So in my mind results are not compatible... But yes there is Lonestar represented. Here is some results..
http://100mairgun.nl/category/Wedstrijdresultaten.aspx

But because I can't  understand  Flemish language.... There was also other results...Don't know which are right. Sorry  Maybe in this forum is someone from Dutch so he/she can straight things

[Marc In Iowa]

... asked me a question that I did not have the answer to:  price notwithstanding, if money were no object which PCP is most accurate at 100 yards?

I was just looking at the very first post of the thread.

What is the answer?

Maybe ...

"Some of the answer depends on why you're asking the question. Do you want to hunt at 100 yards? Do you want to win competitions at 100 yards? Do you want to hit a reactive target like a can of soda at 100 yards just to see it pop? Do you care if you can do it every single time or just often enough to feel good about your shot?"

I dunno ... interesting thread though.

[keithd]

In Netherlands those BR competitions are inside range.... So in my mind results are not compatible... But yes there is Lonestar represented. Here is some results..
http://100mairgun.nl/category/Wedstrijdresultaten.aspx

But because I can't  understand  Flemish language.... There was also other results...Don't know which are right. Sorry  Maybe in this forum is someone from Dutch so he/she can straight things

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