100 yards: Most accurate PCP?

[Tonykarter]

Took my old college roommate to the Texas Airgun Show.  A frustrated Gamo owner, he shot several of the guns there and is now hooked.  Really hooked.  Former reloader/.222 Swift/7mm Mag target shooter, he recognizes the opportunity to accept the same challenge to stack them in one hole, but now at 25-100 yards in his back yard, without the time investment to go to the range.

He is planning on ordering a Marauder tomorrow.  He asked me a question that I did not have the answer to:  price notwithstanding, if money were no object which PCP is most accurate at 100 yards?

Granted, there are many variables involved in answering this question.  Still, I'd like to give him an answer, or at least give him the consensus top three anyway.  To stack them at 100 yards, what PCP/scope combo would you buy if money were no object?

[Dairyboy]

RAW HM1000X .25 poly or .30, WAR FLEX .30, AAA EVOL .30, FX Crown .25 seem to be the top dogs right now. Heard good things about FX Boss as well.

[Tonykarter]

We held one of AirGun Depot's FX Crown there.  That is an impressive gun.  Too rich for my work till I die reality, but well within his comfortable retirement. 

[KnifeMaker]

The most accurate I have seen, is a long road to get, and even longer to set-up for.

It's the .257 Talon/Dor's by Dyotat100.   And other cal's he builds.

You can go to youtube and look up tofazfou to see the results. 1/4" at 100 yards is doable. and the accuracy holds up for hundreds of yards.

Problem is, they take a while to get, and there is the casting thing. NO factory bullets are really available that can give the desired accuracy.

Doug, (Doytat100) having never shot bench rest before, tried his hand at the extreme.  His down fall was shooting the same target more than once. An easy mistake for a newby. Bottom line, wrong target notwithstanding, he had by a good margin the highest score, if the target had been countable.

The guns accuracy was there. His experience in BR wasn't . But a fantastic showing nonetheless. 

Knife

[KnifeMaker]

I forgot to mention. Everybody and his brother will argue the point as the AF platform is considered the lowly pcp. However, It holds all the long distance records so far.

Knife

[Verminstalker]

All the ones Dairyboy mentioned are definitely the kings of the hill. One gun that is overlooked is the Hatsan BT65 in .25 or .30. They are even more accurate after Bwalton goes through it with one of his tunes. He's got several 100yd. videos on Youtube.

[anti-squirrel]

If money were no object, I'd still just buy either a Cometa Orion rifle in .22 or a SPA P15 in .25, though I'd spend a few cents on some top shelf glass.  Don't know what as I havent kept up with high dollar optics.

Well, I might also get a Taipan Mutant .22

[Gertrude]

Assuming your question refers to a retail sales available type gun,... then my vote would go to the RAW HM1000X.

I do not own one, but I do have a buddy who has a couple of them. I have shot them several times, along side of Daystates, FX, and several other high end and custom builds. We have a great shooting permission on a chicken ranch with a 150yd shooting lane. We get all the old eggs you could ever want for targets.
When he pulls out the RAW, he makes the eggs at 150 disappear faster than the ones I'm shooting at 50-75-100 yds.
 He just sits there and giggles every time he pulls the trigger.

 Heck,.... I swear one of these days when he's not looking, I'm going to bend his barrel and loosen his scope mounts. LOL !

[Nomadic Pirate]

Don't forget the Eastern European guns, Edgun, Cricket, Taipan,....Owners swear by them for real precision.

If I wanted to get a gun for serious 100 Yards precision ( not counting bullet shooters where you need to cast ) ....I would go for a .30 cal, and it would be an American Air Arms EVOL .30

[Straight Shooter]

A RAW HM1000x .25 with polygon barrel shooting JSB heavies and a WAR Flex .30 regulated can shoot 1inch groups  at 90 yards consistently in good weather conditions. These are the only two rifles I have had that can do this level of precision regularly. I'm sure there are others but I have not shot with them.
Most PCP's will shoot fine to 50 yards or even 70 yards. ( As you guys know - It is that little stretch from 70 to 100 that the groups open up disproportionately.) 
This is a picture of nine targets with six shots into each a 90 yards with a HM1000x polygon .25 with pellets. Shots fired in steady succession. No order of targets selected but I did adjust the scope to get on the target a few times. The Smallest group is 3/4 inch, largest with a flyer about  1 1/2 inches.
I'm a Mr average shooter with poor  eye sight and I'm sure a marksman could improve in this.

[Booger]

Guns shooting 100 yards mainly go to .25 & 30 cal, but my little Air Wolf is pretty nice.

[Marc In Iowa]

I'm surprised the FX Impact or FX Crown is not the clear winner in this discussion. The fact that they can be tuned for a particular pellet with barrels for particular calibers and optimized for a particular pellet seem to give a shooter an extraordinary amount of control over the accuracy of the rifle. I'm pretty new to the sport and I've only owned one PCP, the lowly Benjamin Discovery, but from everything I read seems like FX really has the edge on other PCP manufacturers. Must be something I'm missing.



For folks with more PCP experience, I'd appreciate some insight.

[rkr]

I'm surprised the FX Impact or FX Crown is not the clear winner in this discussion. The fact that they can be tuned for a particular pellet with barrels for particular calibers and optimized for a particular pellet seem to give a shooter an extraordinary amount of control over the accuracy of the rifle. I'm pretty new to the sport and I've only owned one PCP, the lowly Benjamin Discovery, but from everything I read seems like FX really has the edge on other PCP manufacturers. Must be something I'm missing.



For folks with more PCP experience, I'd appreciate some insight.

FX guns are not those uber weapons that AOA's EBR make them look. If you look at the results from Dutch 100M comps (they do not have commercial agenda) it's not FX that rules the game http://100mairgun.nl/default.aspx Add to that FX's quality problems for the past two years and I'd be hard pressed to recommend them. Besides, FX guns can not shoot bullets and that's the ticket for 100M accuracy in windy conditions.

[mobilehomer]

Michael Thomas air gun!

http://www.thomasrifles.com/home.html

Look at reply#58, not 100, but 55.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83770.60

[Marc In Iowa]

Assuming your question refers to a retail sales available type gun,... then my vote would go to the RAW HM1000X.

I'm glad to be reading this thread! I haven't been aware of this rifle at all. Still got lots to learn.

[Marc In Iowa]

... FX guns can not shoot bullets and that's the ticket for 100M accuracy in windy conditions.

Well, that's got me thinkin'.

One of the virtues of an air rifle, for me, is shooting pellets that bleed off most of their energy in the first 50 or 60 yards, making it safer to shoot in those distances. If I wanted to shoot a bird or a squirrel up in a tree and I were to miss, I wouldn't want my bullet to travel long distances, potentially endangering other folks.

If someone wants to shoot at 100 yards or 100 meters, why not just shoot a powder burner? I realize people might be air rifle enthusiasts and want to push the envelope as far as possible, but as a practical matter, it seems like powder burners are the right tool for the right job at 100 yards. Just my humble opinion. I'm certainly not opposed to people pushing the envelope to see what's possible.

And ... as a retired engineer, I'm always interested to see what people are doing to push that envelope.

[Straight Shooter]

That why we have more than one gun🙂

[rkr]

... FX guns can not shoot bullets and that's the ticket for 100M accuracy in windy conditions.

Well, that's got me thinkin'.

One of the virtues of an air rifle, for me, is shooting pellets that bleed off most of their energy in the first 50 or 60 yards, making it safer to shoot in those distances. If I wanted to shoot a bird or a squirrel up in a tree and I were to miss, I wouldn't want my bullet to travel long distances, potentially endangering other folks.

If someone wants to shoot at 100 yards or 100 meters, why not just shoot a powder burner? I realize people might be air rifle enthusiasts and want to push the envelope as far as possible, but as a practical matter, it seems like powder burners are the right tool for the right job at 100 yards. Just my humble opinion. I'm certainly not opposed to people pushing the envelope to see what's possible.

And ... as a retired engineer, I'm always interested to see what people are doing to push that envelope.

People are using .224, .25, .257 and .308 bullet shooters to push that envelope. They work well at 200M as well. Of course we could just use powder burners or shoot airgun BR at 25M or 50M but where's the challenge in that?

[kbstingwing]

I wouldn't say any particular brand of air gun, but the air gun that is consistent and a Pellet that is consistent, the combination along with the shooters skills to read the environment and conditions is the key to longer range shooting, or just being lucky like me...............

[Marc In Iowa]

People are using .224, .25, .257 and .308 bullet shooters to push that envelope. They work well at 200M as well. Of course we could just use powder burners or shoot airgun BR at 25M or 50M but where's the challenge in that?

Yes!

I've just been plinking for most of my time with air rifles; shooting 5" metal targets at 20-70+ yards using my Hammerli 850 on COČ. I've gotten good enough at it that it wasn't as challenging or fun as I'd like! Now, I've got an HW30S on order with the notion of shooting aspirin sized targets at 30 yards "just for the fun of it!" We'll see how fun I can make it. :-)