My new .25 SPA M16 (Air Max Dominator) thread... :-)

[skorec]

UFF,  I am not able to read  this long  tread.

Can someone compare this gun to Kral Puncher Maxi
I want know mainly  :
1.   Barrel and shroud lengths
2.   Output air pressure of regulator for .177 and .25  and possibility to increase it via  dissasembling .
3.   Trigger weight

[Wayne52]

Pete I don't have the Kral but I can vouch that the Dominator is really a great rifle for hunting.  I've been having a lot of fun with mine out hunting since I bought it.  I'm getting about 70 shots on a fill at about 31fpe but where you're located you might have limits on stuff like that.  I haven't had mine apart yet but I will eventually take it apart I'm sure.  I'd like to be able to make mine worthy of reaching out there for hunting medium sized small game at a distance.  All in all I'm very happy with mine.

[skorec]

Wayne,  Thanks for shoot string  .

I am just locking for best  and cheapest  host  for .177  LW 605mm x 15 mm barrel  for shooting JSB Monster REDSIGNET at 950 FPS.   
That  is the reason why I need output presure about  150bar  and to know all another  detail.

[Wayne52]

I don't think the Dominator can be bought in .177, pretty sure just .22 & .25.

[skorec]

NP, the support would be the air stripper. Heck with it,I'm going in DEEP boys!!!!

Barrel is threaded into the breech and was LOOSE. It rolled cleanly on a flat surface, not bent.

The trigger groups screws LOOSE, one not even snugged down.........

Pic of the reg adjustment.

Pressure gauge was LOOSE. This may be where the air leaked out.

All in all, VERY poor assembly. My gun must have been built by a union man, an hour before quitting time on Friday

John,-  Thanks a loooooot ,
Your PDF diagram , pictures and descriptions have  answered   me a lot of my questions.

Can you let me know  the  length of barrel and barrel  shroud ?
It will be very interesting to  use  77cm  barrel shroud from SPA Artemis M22 equipped already with right UNF thread  !!!

[skorec]

I don't think the Dominator can be bought in .177, pretty sure just .22 & .25.

https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/artemis-m16.html

[Wayne52]

I don't think the Dominator can be bought in .177, pretty sure just .22 & .25.

https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/artemis-m16.html

I couldn't get the the web address you posted here but finally found one address doing a search that I could.  I see that you guys can buy them now too over there across the pond.  The guy that imported them here to the U.S. evidently didn't get any of the .177's but he might if requested by enough people probably.

[skorec]

It seams that only Barrel - #4 and connector - #3 are different  for .177,.22 and .25 calibers.
Perhaps only  drilling a larger elliptical air transfer holes to its can increase FPE for .177

[Dan H]

I was interested in this gun .... did a search ... found this thread .... I would not buy this after looking at the post ... IMO...

[smythsg]

Sorry to hear Dan. This thread goes back to the introduction of this rifle and like any brand new gun, we all have our opinions of what it should be or become. My .25 Dominator has become my goto hunting rifle now that I have learned it's nuances and fixed it's minor issues. It's not an FX Streamline (even though it resembles one    ), and it doesn't have the power of the Rainstorm II (even though it resembles that rifle also) but for the money I paid for the Dominator I couldn't be happier.

[Dan H]

Sorry to hear Dan. This thread goes back to the introduction of this rifle and like any brand new gun, we all have our opinions of what it should be or become. My .25 Dominator has become my goto hunting rifle now that I have learned it's nuances and fixed it's minor issues. It's not an FX Streamline (even though it resembles one    ), and it doesn't have the power of the Rainstorm II (even though it resembles that rifle also) but for the money I paid for the Dominator I couldn't be happier.

how many fps are you getting out of the .25 ... how is the accuracy ?

[Wayne52]

Wow!!!!!! I started to re-read through the posts from the beginning of this thread, it makes me wonder just how many people actually did order this gun It's now my go to gun as well Steve, my .22 now after probably 2500 rounds through it is averaging 32fpe+ for 60 shots now and I just started using JSB18.13's again because they are something else in the accuracy department for this gun.  I can now understand why one guy at the "Chicken Ranch" put a M10 barrel on his Daystate and is more than delighted with it.  This gun is unbelievably accurate IMO and if I miss something it's definitely not the guns fault.  I shot a fox squirrel in motion today, I had to get a follow up shot once I found her because I had broken her back but even shooting her in motion proves to me that this gun is very capable, very light and well worth every penny I paid for it. Since being broken in the action is now silk smooth as is the great trigger that it has.  This gun is still just like it came out of the box except for tiny dings here and there in the stock which is to be expected when the gun has been in and out of my truck and through the woods as much as it has been.  I know now that if I have quarry at 80 yards that this gun is very capable especially if I have something good to rest on.  When I'm out hunting I carry as little as possible and about the only thing that I do carry when I'm out is extra pellets and my camera.  For some of you that read the hunting gate regularly you can probably believe what I say that I'm more than happy with this gun, I hope the rumor that I heard about there being a U.S. major distributor coming in 2018 for all the SPA guns because IMO you ain't ever going to find more value for your money.

[smythsg]

Dan, I am currently shooting only two pellets from my .25 Dominator, the 31 gn Baracuda and the 25.39 grain AA pellets. The Baracudas are shooting right at 830+ fps for about 47.5 ft lbs and and the AA pellets are shooting at about 880 fps for about 44 ft lbs. I have installed a Huma reg in mine and boosted the hammer spring with some washers as spacers ( very easy to do) so it is shooting with a little more power than just out of the box.

The Cudas I have shot many times at a lasered 100 yards braced against a tree and the gun is easily head of squirrel accurate at that distance if I do my part. I have a Tac Vector 3.5x10x44 scope on the rifle and the combo is just deadly. With the AA pellets I have shot three mags into a hole just slightly bigger than a dime at 35 yards on a quite windy day so I know they are equally accurate in the Dominator.

Sadly Wayne, I have not seen too many post about the Dominator other than yours, mine, and Abracken's, and I think Chickie has one also. I like mine well enough that I sold my M10 and my P12 because they were mostly becoming closet queens. For those of us that move a lot on out hunts in woods the Dominator is a very good field gun. While I am not as good at posting pictures as you, ( I do love your pictures and videos) I have taken several squirrels, crows, and other game at anywhere from 40-100 yards and thoroughly enjoy the gun. I don't get quite as many shots per fill as you, but from a full fill I can get three full mags before it falls off the regulater even at almost 48 ft lbs. I know that I could boost the power a little bit more with just a few adjustments, but I am pretty happy with where things are for now.

[Dan H]

WOW !  both of your post are great reviews of this gun ... cool ... 3 mags in .25 is good in my book ,and about what my hatsans do ..as does my tuned mrod ... and from what you guys are saying accuracy is dead on ... maybe with a new high volume seller the price would come down also ...

how is this gun for loudness ?   kral guns are priced close to the same but the parts they are put together with are junk { I was interested in those also }
 
another question= what effect did the new regulator have over the factory 1 ?

thanks for your guys input ...

[Wayne52]

Dan mine isn't really  what I'd consider backyard friendly but doing an indoor chrony test isn't an issue for loudness. Hunting with it isn't bad at all, I really doubt the quarry hear where the shot is coming from due to the loud smack it makes when it hits them.

[smythsg]

Dan, I shoot mine in the yard sometimes, but the neighbors all know me as the crazy air gun guy so pay no attention. Its is actually pretty quiet with the factory moderator but I have a 1/2-20 adaptor if I really wanted to get mouse fart quiet. As for the Huma, I am not convinced it was necessary, but there was just not much information available on adjusting the factory reg and I have now come to the conclusion that boosting the Hammer spring might have made a pretty significant impact on it's own. Adding the Huma without the hammer spring boost really didn't accomplish much, but the combination is working well. I was trying to get to 50 ft lbs, which is not too bad for a Carbine like the Dominator, and I am sure I could get there with just a bit more tweeking. By the way, the metal (machining) and fit is quite good on the Dominator and you won't feel like you have junk at all. As I said before, it ain't perfect, but none of my guns have been perfect. I've owned several Hatsans and still own a BT65 in .25 cal, so I know those guns perform well, but the Dominator is just so much easier to handle in the woods and doesn't wear on me like the Hatsans. ( I am on the North side of 65 now so weight does matter on those long strolls at the WMA  )

[Wayne52]

Steve I took the stock of mine today because it got kinda wet in the rain, a rag with some Hoppes #9  to dry things up was in order and I also checked the screws while I had the stock off.  I did have to tighten up the handle screw for the lever and that was about it.  Eventually I'm going to order a couple extra magazines and a couple of the special transfer ports these guns have.  I'd really like to play around with some extra power and heavy pellets with this gun.  That guy that made three bottled M16's from parts said that he was going to do some modifying in that department but I haven't seen anything new on that thread.

[noobiepcp101]

Anyone know when they'll have the P15 available?

[Dan H]

ya none of use are getting younger .... I could not blame anyone older  for going lighter on a gun ... I hit mid 50's in march    { how did I get this old ?  }  ... I am fighting this by working out 5 days a week sometimes 6 ...swim 1 mile a day for 5......core train 5 days lift weights 3 days a week ... ya I know I am nuts !    25yrs racing stand up jet skis pro class  did this to me !     

i like the way the  way dominator looks , and the washer trick looks like its brought it up closer to 900 fps ...  and i know what youre saying about perfection there is always some thing !  but hey if the gun works good we can over look some minor things , or even fix them if it bothers you/use  that much ... a lot of this is personal preferance .... crazy me likes to check um out ... and buy to many guns !  but you only live it once !     

[Dan H]

Wow!!!!!! I started to re-read through the posts from the beginning of this thread, it makes me wonder just how many people actually did order this gun It's now my go to gun as well Steve, my .22 now after probably 2500 rounds through it is averaging 32fpe+ for 60 shots now and I just started using JSB18.13's again because they are something else in the accuracy department for this gun.  I can now understand why one guy at the "Chicken Ranch" put a M10 barrel on his Daystate and is more than delighted with it.  This gun is unbelievably accurate IMO and if I miss something it's definitely not the guns fault.  I shot a fox squirrel in motion today, I had to get a follow up shot once I found her because I had broken her back but even shooting her in motion proves to me that this gun is very capable, very light and well worth every penny I paid for it. Since being broken in the action is now silk smooth as is the great trigger that it has.  This gun is still just like it came out of the box except for tiny dings here and there in the stock which is to be expected when the gun has been in and out of my truck and through the woods as much as it has been.  I know now that if I have quarry at 80 yards that this gun is very capable especially if I have something good to rest on.  When I'm out hunting I carry as little as possible and about the only thing that I do carry when I'm out is extra pellets and my camera.  For some of you that read the hunting gate regularly you can probably believe what I say that I'm more than happy with this gun, I hope the rumor that I heard about there being a U.S. major distributor coming in 2018 for all the SPA guns because IMO you ain't ever going to find more value for your money.

2500 rounds is a good test.... VERY good test !  60 shots is nice in .22 { it would need a bottle in .25} and its holding up pretty great  mechanically, and very accurate  it sounds like from what you guys are saying .... ive never bought from mrodair ive come close but never pulled the trigger .....they have interesting products ....

is this the same gun ?  I can't understand what he is saying but the gun looks nice .....it looks to be the same as the Diana outlaw that AOA has also...