My new .25 SPA M16 (Air Max Dominator) thread... :-)

[anti-squirrel]

Willing to bet that airtube is just like the P12 and P10's... Titanium.  Would certainly keep a major source of weight down. 

Otherwise, sexy-times Dominator, Steve.  I definitely want!  Of course, I think you should pass that P12 along to me because I'm cool like that   I can only imagine how sweet the P15 is.

[smythsg]

HAHAHA... Sorry Peter I love the P12. It is perfectly balanced for my style of hunting, constantly on the move for several miles in a single hunt. Not to mention that anything out to 100 yards is table fare (except skunk  ) I just hope the M16 can be tuned to be as good as my P12.

[Old Corps]

Congrats on the Dominator Steve! How's the noise? Is it back yard friendly? Thanks!

Ed

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[shultz]

Congrats on the Dominator Steve! How's the noise? Is it back yard friendly? Thanks!

Ed

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Ed,
Steve answered this question in his very first paragraph......

"THE DOMINATOR IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!  Sorry Bill, it's not perfect, but close enough that you will look good in green... 

So, the Dominator arrived right on time, thank you Mike (Happy Birthday Boy) and the Brown truck. The rifle was double boxed, well packed and protected, and arrived in pristine condition. The stock has no flaws, and the machining shows no imperfections that I have found so far. The rifle is 37 inches long without the included LDC, 41.5 inches with the LDC, and weighs exactly 6 lbs according to my digital luggage scale. (and feels lighter than 6 lbs) With the scope attached the rifle total weight is 7.4 lbs so definately lighter than my P12 (9.4 with scope) and M10 (10.4 with Scope). The trigger is surprisingly good, fairly light and crisp. The shot cycle also seems crisp and the gun is backyard friendly quiet at the power level it is currently shooting. (about 39 ft lbs)"

[Mrodair.com]

Glad to see they are making their way to our customers.

This is exactly what we need. Input for any development needed.

I simply tested function and shipped em out. (If I waited any longer, the crowd would have rioted) lol

This week, I'm making some parts for the cp2 stocks ect and diving into a bit of tuning and adjustments on the P-15 and dominator.

As much as I can be unbiased (not entirely possible) I can say I
am a fan of the dominator.

Build quality is impressive for the price, so knowing the "use ability" and reliability of this new design is very important to me, so any tweaks or changes possible can be made at the factory for the future.

Looking into the cocking pin you mentioned, and perhaps upgrading this part is in order.

As many here, looking forward to any input especially any issues we can address to the manufacturer.

Thanks for taking the time to post about it.

[smythsg]

Well, the Dominator can shoot!!!  This target is at a lasered 35 yards in VERY Gusty winds. You are looking at 25 shots, and I think if it were not for the wind it could have done sub dime sized groups. (The scope is a Centerpoint Spectrum FFP 3x9x40, pellets are AA 25.4 gn)  The gun will only get better the more I shoot it 

[Techie]

Wow, that's very impressive for a 25-shot group!  Most people post 5-shot or even 3-shot groups, which of course tend to be much smaller.  A 25-shot group really shows what that gun is capable of.

[solder]

Nice shooting! Did you happen to get any chrony numbers and numbers on regulated shot strings?

[smythsg]

Hi Dennis my original post showed speeds, ft lbs and talked about shot string. I plan to repeat the test tomorrow now that the gun has a hundred or so pellets through it.

[solder]

Found the shot string info.Thanks! With regulator performance like that, adding a HUMA reg would not be a step up in ES! The more I hear the more impressed I am!

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

Holy Moly  Steve...That is Amazing !     Good Gun..Great Shooting...Incredible Shot Group !  35 yards-25 shots- strong gusty winds-- WOW !               Best Wishes. -  Tom

[Old Corps]

Congrats on the Dominator Steve! How's the noise? Is it back yard friendly? Thanks!

Ed

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Ed,
Steve answered this question in his very first paragraph......

"THE DOMINATOR IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!  Sorry Bill, it's not perfect, but close enough that you will look good in green... 

So, the Dominator arrived right on time, thank you Mike (Happy Birthday Boy) and the Brown truck. The rifle was double boxed, well packed and protected, and arrived in pristine condition. The stock has no flaws, and the machining shows no imperfections that I have found so far. The rifle is 37 inches long without the included LDC, 41.5 inches with the LDC, and weighs exactly 6 lbs according to my digital luggage scale. (and feels lighter than 6 lbs) With the scope attached the rifle total weight is 7.4 lbs so definately lighter than my P12 (9.4 with scope) and M10 (10.4 with Scope). The trigger is surprisingly good, fairly light and crisp. The shot cycle also seems crisp and the gun is backyard friendly quiet at the power level it is currently shooting. (about 39 ft lbs)"

Thanks John, I missed it. I plead senility!

Ed

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

Congrats on the Dominator Steve! How's the noise? Is it back yard friendly? Thanks!

Ed

Bump

Ed,
Steve answered this question in his very first paragraph......

"THE DOMINATOR IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!  Sorry Bill, it's not perfect, but close enough that you will look good in green... 

So, the Dominator arrived right on time, thank you Mike (Happy Birthday Boy) and the Brown truck. The rifle was double boxed, well packed and protected, and arrived in pristine condition. The stock has no flaws, and the machining shows no imperfections that I have found so far. The rifle is 37 inches long without the included LDC, 41.5 inches with the LDC, and weighs exactly 6 lbs according to my digital luggage scale. (and feels lighter than 6 lbs) With the scope attached the rifle total weight is 7.4 lbs so definately lighter than my P12 (9.4 with scope) and M10 (10.4 with Scope). The trigger is surprisingly good, fairly light and crisp. The shot cycle also seems crisp and the gun is backyard friendly quiet at the power level it is currently shooting. (about 39 ft lbs)"

Thanks John, I missed it. I plead senility!

Ed

     I Use These !      

[smythsg]

Thanks Tom, the sun, moon, and stars don't line up this well often, and I was trying really hard to wring everything I could out of the Dominator. This one has some great potential, but I really want to extract more power and hope the accuracy stays with it.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yeah, in a .25 you really want North of 50 FPE at least, and close to 60 would be even better

[ackuric]

Yeah, in a .25 you really want North of 50 FPE at least, and close to 60 would be even better

Bullocks. They make a 19.91 gr pellet in 25 cal...have fun shooting that at subsonic speeds to obtain 50+ FPE.

Diablo pellets and their Ballistic Co efficiency generally are peaked around 850~ FPS.

That means..

19.91 gr = 32 FPE @ 850 fps (plenty of hunting power)
25.4 gr =  40 FPE @ 850 fps (common tune for 25.4 gr's)
33.9 gr = 54 FPE @ 850 fps (overkill for most pests, stepping into medium game power..)

Its one thing to have a personal preference in power, but to state .25 cals need to be shooting north of 50 fpe and near 60 fpe is not a great blanket statement.

-Matt

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yeah, in a .25 you really want North of 50 FPE at least, and close to 60 would be even better

Bullocks. They make a 19.91 gr pellet in 25 cal...have fun shooting that at subsonic speeds to obtain 50+ FPE.

Diablo pellets and their Ballistic Co efficiency generally are peaked around 850~ FPS.

That means..

19.91 gr = 32 FPE @ 850 fps (plenty of hunting power)
25.4 gr =  40 FPE @ 850 fps (common tune for 25.4 gr's)
33.9 gr = 54 FPE @ 850 fps (overkill for most pests, stepping into medium game power..)

Its one thing to have a personal preference in power, but to state .25 cals need to be shooting north of 50 fpe and near 60 fpe is not a great blanket statement.

-Matt

Great !!! ...Glad you like your 850 fps,
I prefer 900 and up.

Baracuda Hunters and Benji domes 28gr 900 fps 50 FPE

Baracuda 31 gr 900 fps 56 FPE

JSB 34gr 900 fps 61 FPE


if I want to shoot in the -/+ 40 FPE range I get me a .22

[Gertrude]

I'm curious about how much shorter the barrel on the M16 is compared to the M10 ?
 (not including the shroud or LDC's on either gun).

[smythsg]

Ron, it is a little hard to tell the exact length without taking it off the gun, but it appears to be close enough to call it an 18 inch barrel.

[smythsg]

Matt, I am sure you are correct about the ballistics coefficiency but that is only one of the many things that go into preferences for hunting tuning. I have a .22 cal P12 that is tuned to shoot 18 gn pellets at 36 ft lbs, is deadly accurate, and capable of taking most any small game. I also have a .22 cal M10 shooting 25 gn pellets at 53 ft lbs and is also deadly at 100 yards.

The reason I purchased the .25 cal is to have a gun that goes to that next level and does indeed take me to the medium game capability. I expect it to be as powerful or more so than my M10 so I want it as close to 60 ft lbs as possible, and at greater than 900 fps preferably. I have had a .25 cal Airforce Condor and an Airforce Escape that could hit 90 ft lbs for a few shots so I have a good idea what pellet weight and speed works best for me.

The good news is that I have plenty of the .25 cal Benji Domes and Baracudas so 900 fps gets me right in the mix I am looking for with that ammo.