Darkside decision?

[crispybacon]

The best part of hand pumping is trying to hold your crosshairs on target when all the pumping is done. Makes me appreciate the biathlon.

[jaraxle1zx]

We wander...

Start of this post was about a 2K Disco/Maxi/Beeman Chief/ or 3K QB79HPA.  Refilling the 13CI HPA bottles can be a pain (more like 150-170 pump strokes), but the other three will fill from bottom to top of a typical shot session in about 40-ish pump strokes.

Most times the disco/max/ other small guns are a gateway drug and you end up with higher power guns before you know what hit ya....lol

[Ribbonstone]

Are a few who try PCP and go back to springers...won't find them on this section of the forum, but it happens.

[RAJOD]

We wander...

Start of this post was about a 2K Disco/Maxi/Beeman Chief/ or 3K QB79HPA.  Refilling the 13CI HPA bottles can be a pain (more like 150-170 pump strokes), but the other three will fill from bottom to top of a typical shot session in about 40-ish pump strokes.

Most times the disco/max/ other small guns are a gateway drug and you end up with higher power guns before you know what hit ya....lol

I ended up going backwards in power from 30fpe to 21 fpe.   30 seems to be about all I need, if I need more I go to powder burners.   If I did 100 yard bench competition then yea I might go to larger caliber like .25 and heavier pellet.   

[Hoosier Daddy]

We wander...

Start of this post was about a 2K Disco/Maxi/Beeman Chief/ or 3K QB79HPA.  Refilling the 13CI HPA bottles can be a pain (more like 150-170 pump strokes), but the other three will fill from bottom to top of a typical shot session in about 40-ish pump strokes.

I did originally state that it would be with a hand pump. So its discussion is valuable input.
To me, being 54 and not in the best physical condition, the 40-50 pumps would be do-able I should think. And since 2000 psi should be a pressure of least effort, to me this sounds like another reason to go with the Beeman Chief instead of a Ninja Bottled / regulated QB.
 
Now I have also been researching Hand Pumps. I would like to hold out for a Hill, but am looking hard at a Winbest by Barska. I have seen many reports where it is better than the Benjamin.

[RAJOD]

We wander...

Start of this post was about a 2K Disco/Maxi/Beeman Chief/ or 3K QB79HPA.  Refilling the 13CI HPA bottles can be a pain (more like 150-170 pump strokes), but the other three will fill from bottom to top of a typical shot session in about 40-ish pump strokes.

I did originally state that it would be with a hand pump. So its discussion is valuable input.
To me, being 54 and not in the best physical condition, the 40-50 pumps would be do-able I should think. And since 2000 psi should be a pressure of least effort, to me this sounds like another reason to go with the Beeman Chief instead of a Ninja Bottled / regulated QB.
 
Now I have also been researching Hand Pumps. I would like to hold out for a Hill, but am looking hard at a Winbest by Barska. I have seen many reports where it is better than the Benjamin.

The Hill pump "a real one" is better.   And they are $300.00.   I think the air venturi is much less and its faster and better than the Benjamin pump.   The hill has a clear bottle of descant hooked to it so the air you pump in has less moisture.   

Take a look at this video, they compare pumping using a Benjamin pump vs Air Venturi.  And also a preview of the Maxiumus gun.


If you get the Maximus and don't like the harder trigger pull you don't really need to buy the brass trigger like I did.   The real issue is the spring is too thick.   I could have taken a spring from a ball point pen and put it in for free and did 90 percent of what the brass trigger did.

   

Don't agonize over it too long.  You will be happy with any of the guns. 

[enazle]

Myself have never owned a pump. Bought a used scuba off craigslist to fill a Disco then moved up to a 60 min scba when I moved up to 3000 psi rifles. I paid 75$ for the scuba and 125$ for the scba that had about 4 years left. 

I do have a question, can you front load a pump off a 150 psi air compressor to shorten the amount of strokes needed to fill?

[RAJOD]

Myself have never owned a pump. Bought a used scuba off craigslist to fill a Disco then moved up to a 60 min scba when I moved up to 3000 psi rifles. I paid 75$ for the scuba and 125$ for the scba that had about 4 years left. 

I do have a question, can you front load a pump off a 150 psi air compressor to shorten the amount of strokes needed to fill?

Good question and I am sure someone on this forum has tried it, not much they have not tried.   

It would lessen the amount of strokes some but not the amount of work.    Its going to be harder to push that pump down if it already has 150 psi in it.   Each stroke would get more air in the gun but you would work a little hard to push it down.   Could be a wash in the end.    But would be curious on how it worked out for the modders that tried it.

[Atomic Powered Gruds]

Everything I have read about using a compressor to boost a pump says its marginally harder to use well being much quicker taking many fewer strokes. I want to try this personally when I get a pump though I know only a few of the pumps can be hooked up without extra work. Another down side is the air has much more moisture to deal with but both down sides are manageable and situational. There is probably more to consider but this is as I  recall it.

[RAJOD]

Airgun Depot just had a shootout

Head to Head: Beeman QB Chief vs. Benjamin Maximus

http://www.airgundepot.com/head-to-head-beeman-qb-chief-vs-benjamin-maximus-article.html?trk_msg=MF856UA3JUU436GBK04K6OUUJO&trk_contact=LM4AI0DF5OUPQSTES0HUQ1QLDO&trk_sid=FI6D7UIMKVFG52CCDLJL9BBHSO&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Beeman+QB+Chief+vs+Benjamin+Maximus&utm_campaign=Head+to+Head&utm_content=Chief+vs+Maximus

[aceflier]

I should bring the mrod up and let you squeeze a few off. I can bring the Tex also if you want to get serious  lol. I'd be looking into a maximus .22 if I were going to start with a pump again. 3k is not bad to pump but it is work. My tuned .25 mrod only needs 2100psi to get 16 shots at 42-44 fpe unregulated.

[39M]

Airgun Depot just had a shootout

Head to Head: Beeman QB Chief vs. Benjamin Maximus

http://www.airgundepot.com/head-to-head-beeman-qb-chief-vs-benjamin-maximus-article.html?trk_msg=MF856UA3JUU436GBK04K6OUUJO&trk_contact=LM4AI0DF5OUPQSTES0HUQ1QLDO&trk_sid=FI6D7UIMKVFG52CCDLJL9BBHSO&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Beeman+QB+Chief+vs+Benjamin+Maximus&utm_campaign=Head+to+Head&utm_content=Chief+vs+Maximus

I do like a metal trigger and a wood stock to some extent. But the difference in weight would be huge for me as I'd view these entry level rifles with relatively low shot count as a carrying/hunting type rifle. 8 pounds unscoped is a heavy gun to me.

I'd have to look at the xs60c if I had to have wood. Or the Varminter.

[Hoosier Daddy]

I should bring the mrod up and let you squeeze a few off. I can bring the Tex also if you want to get serious  lol.

YES... Yes you should!
Maybe not, I have drooled over Airforce Guns way too long. A Texan would push me into the poor house.   

[aceflier]

I should bring the mrod up and let you squeeze a few off. I can bring the Tex also if you want to get serious  lol.

YES... Yes you should!
Maybe not, I have drooled over Airforce Guns way too long. A Texan would push me into the poor house.   

Nothing wrong with a little fun.

[RAJOD]

Airgun Depot just had a shootout

Head to Head: Beeman QB Chief vs. Benjamin Maximus

http://www.airgundepot.com/head-to-head-beeman-qb-chief-vs-benjamin-maximus-article.html?trk_msg=MF856UA3JUU436GBK04K6OUUJO&trk_contact=LM4AI0DF5OUPQSTES0HUQ1QLDO&trk_sid=FI6D7UIMKVFG52CCDLJL9BBHSO&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Beeman+QB+Chief+vs+Benjamin+Maximus&utm_campaign=Head+to+Head&utm_content=Chief+vs+Maximus

I do like a metal trigger and a wood stock to some extent. But the difference in weight would be huge for me as I'd view these entry level rifles with relatively low shot count as a carrying/hunting type rifle. 8 pounds unscoped is a heavy gun to me.

I'd have to look at the xs60c if I had to have wood. Or the Varminter.

If you want a light wood hunting gun get the Daystate Regal or the Brocock S6 Elite.  Both tack drivers and super light 6.25 pounds and you wont find a better trigger.   But the Maximus wins the weight battle at 4.xx pounds, 5 at most.

[39M]

Airgun Depot just had a shootout

Head to Head: Beeman QB Chief vs. Benjamin Maximus

http://www.airgundepot.com/head-to-head-beeman-qb-chief-vs-benjamin-maximus-article.html?trk_msg=MF856UA3JUU436GBK04K6OUUJO&trk_contact=LM4AI0DF5OUPQSTES0HUQ1QLDO&trk_sid=FI6D7UIMKVFG52CCDLJL9BBHSO&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Beeman+QB+Chief+vs+Benjamin+Maximus&utm_campaign=Head+to+Head&utm_content=Chief+vs+Maximus

I do like a metal trigger and a wood stock to some extent. But the difference in weight would be huge for me as I'd view these entry level rifles with relatively low shot count as a carrying/hunting type rifle. 8 pounds unscoped is a heavy gun to me.

I'd have to look at the xs60c if I had to have wood. Or the Varminter.

If you want a light wood hunting gun get the Daystate Regal or the Brocock S6 Elite.  Both tack drivers and super light 6.25 pounds and you wont find a better trigger.   But the Maximus wins the weight battle at 4.xx pounds, 5 at most.

To be honest....
I like the look of the Brocock Contour G6....and the Airforce Talon SS. And the P-rod...
And not a splinter of wood to be found on any of them.

But I thought this thread was about entry-level (least expensive) rifles with lower pressure so they'd be easily pumpable.
And I was just offering a different option in wood.

But the OP may not be planning on long treks through the forest and briar patch anyway.

[Mole2017]

...But the Maximus wins the weight battle at 4.xx pounds, 5 at most.

Wow...I weighed my R10 and Gamo the other night. I was comparing the two, so I forget the Gamo's weight, but the R10 was 10 pounds with the big scope on it. Less than 5 would be something!

[RAJOD]

I should bring the mrod up and let you squeeze a few off. I can bring the Tex also if you want to get serious  lol.

YES... Yes you should!
Maybe not, I have drooled over Airforce Guns way too long. A Texan would push me into the poor house.   

Buy a Tex 3 shot 300FPE gun with a benjamin pump.   I give you 2 days before you buy a Carbon Fiber tank

[RAJOD]

Airgun Depot just had a shootout

Head to Head: Beeman QB Chief vs. Benjamin Maximus

http://www.airgundepot.com/head-to-head-beeman-qb-chief-vs-benjamin-maximus-article.html?trk_msg=MF856UA3JUU436GBK04K6OUUJO&trk_contact=LM4AI0DF5OUPQSTES0HUQ1QLDO&trk_sid=FI6D7UIMKVFG52CCDLJL9BBHSO&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Beeman+QB+Chief+vs+Benjamin+Maximus&utm_campaign=Head+to+Head&utm_content=Chief+vs+Maximus

I do like a metal trigger and a wood stock to some extent. But the difference in weight would be huge for me as I'd view these entry level rifles with relatively low shot count as a carrying/hunting type rifle. 8 pounds unscoped is a heavy gun to me.

I'd have to look at the xs60c if I had to have wood. Or the Varminter.

If you want a light wood hunting gun get the Daystate Regal or the Brocock S6 Elite.  Both tack drivers and super light 6.25 pounds and you wont find a better trigger.   But the Maximus wins the weight battle at 4.xx pounds, 5 at most.

To be honest....
I like the look of the Brocock Contour G6....and the Airforce Talon SS. And the P-rod...
And not a splinter of wood to be found on any of them.

But I thought this thread was about entry-level (least expensive) rifles with lower pressure so they'd be easily pumpable.
And I was just offering a different option in wood.

But the OP may not be planning on long treks through the forest and briar patch anyway.

Exactly, at the low price point I would concentrate on accuracy and weight and 2000 psi.   The wood is actually a downgrade because MOST wood guns (Except a few that I listed) just add weight and cost.   

I'm voting Maximus, you don't know what light is until you have used one.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Funny you should mention "Maximus".
One of our fine Members PM'ed me he had an extra one that he is willing to part with. Proven good shooter, only 100 shots so like new, and in the Price range I was looking for.
 "ABOUT FACE!"
Took me totally by surprise... I have since done a little research on that AG now and so far like what I see.
I can get that kind of Funds in short order, and maybe get the Hand Pump for Fathers Day if I tell all the kids I want ebay gift cards. (somebody will get me a tie)
In preparation to the darkside I think I'll start shooting with a welding helmet on. 

This place is friggin awesome.