PP700 adventure started(Artemis PP700s-a)

[Rallyshark]

Mine is in .22 at well, getting 35 shots 14.6fpe  and popping black birds out at 35 yards with a steady rest using a 2x Truglo red dot.

Note: the Truglo is the only red dot that I've seen that has 2x and a 2.5 MOA dot that was under $100

I think Wimpanzee has one too, and likes it.  You are right about the 2.5 MOA and being under $100.  Trust me when I say, I searched A LOT,lol! 

I have a habit of shooting at a lot of stuff that wouldn't be normally considered air pistol range, so I had to move to a scope.  I will tell you I can hit little energy shot bottles at 60 yards almost every time though, and a lot of the time at 80 once I get my holdover right.  These things really are crazy accurate.  With a rest, it'll do dime sized groups at 30 yards.

Don't have the MkII version, still not finding anything to complain about the "bugger grip" version (other than painting the green grip).

They do seem to be the same over all length, so if the barrel is longer and the shroud skinnier, it's going to be louder. From the pixs posted, not really sure if the MkII shroud is "active" or just a housing with no venting at the muzzle. Will freely admit, the black grip/rectangular shroud version is a nicer looking pistol, and if I hadn't already gotten the "bugger grip" MkI version, I'd likely be waiting on the MK II version.

All I can say about the .22 Mk 1 shroud is that it is active, but of a limited volume, and the pistol starts getting a bit loud much past 11-12 foot pounds.  Decently back yard friendly under 11 foot pounds (lets say a 15.9gr. @ 560fps) with the issue shroud....kind of loud much past that point.

You are correct.  The shroud is way more functional on the W model than it is on the S-A.  The shroud is still a shroud on the S-A, and it does have an air stripper on the end of the barrel inside the shroud.  The volume is tiny though.  I would certainly expect the W version to be a little bit quieter.  Either version will do as good as the other I'd think.  I do like the extended dovetail onto the shroud on the S-A, since it gives a bit more flexibility on mounting optics etc.  That is good, if you use a pistol scope with a really long eye relief that you need to move forward, and also lets you get it far enough forward to not be a pain on loading too.

[Cathartes]

Last time I shot cronied, 2 weeks ago, I was sitting at a 680fps average, sd of 2.4fps, es of 9fps over 36 shots then a sharp drop of 17fps less and then 36fps further down.

Awesome! Thanks for the tips! I definitely need to try harder with mine, then. Those are excellent numbers.

[Ozarkairgunner]

Last time I shot cronied, 2 weeks ago, I was sitting at a 680fps average, sd of 2.4fps, es of 9fps over 36 shots then a sharp drop of 17fps less and then 36fps further down.

Awesome! Thanks for the tips! I definitely need to try harder with mine, then. Those are excellent numbers.

Thank you, I wish you the best of luck. I believe a more skilled, or should I say more knowledgeable, person could get even more out of it. This is completely stock, no mods yet. I keep contemplating going in and doing the Hatsan style J.B. weld valve mod that Donny (Rallyshark) did. Just not sure how much it'd change things and if I'd like it, pretty happy with it right now..pretty sure it's my new favorite gun lol

[Rallyshark]

Last time I shot cronied, 2 weeks ago, I was sitting at a 680fps average, sd of 2.4fps, es of 9fps over 36 shots then a sharp drop of 17fps less and then 36fps further down.

Awesome! Thanks for the tips! I definitely need to try harder with mine, then. Those are excellent numbers.

Thank you, I wish you the best of luck. I believe a more skilled, or should I say more knowledgeable, person could get even more out of it. This is completely stock, no mods yet. I keep contemplating going in and doing the Hatsan style J.B. weld valve mod that Donny (Rallyshark) did. Just not sure how much it'd change things and if I'd like it, pretty happy with it right now..pretty sure it's my new favorite gun lol

In most cases "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a good rule to follow!  There is no need to risk messing anything up, if the pistol is doing what you want it to do   In my case, I wanted more power, and wanted to limit efficiency loss as much as I could while doing so.  That is why I modded the valve.  The valve mod alone probably won't really make it much more powerful I don't think, since there is plenty of air coming from those four holes in the stock configuration.  They are very nice pistols in stock form.

However, the modded valve in combination with opening up the valve spring retaining screw, opening up the hole in the transfer block that sits behind the pellet when closed, changing the washer arrangement in the regulator, and hammer spring adjustment certainly did increase the power potential.  I get around 30 shots at 15fpe in .177, which ain't bad for a short barrel and tiny air cylinder.  I'm not sure what the max power is at this point, but it is somewhere near 20fpe.  I think the same mods in a .22 would probably approach 25fpe, but that is just a guess.  The regulator set point is really what is holding it back from even more power potential.  My best guess is that my reg is around 110 bar.  If I could get it up to say 130 bar, who knows what these little hammers would do  

[Frigide]

I'm reading bad things about the O-rings. Zo i want to buy better spare one zo i don't have te wait for them when the gun is leaking. I only find O-ring on Ebay.

Are they any good. Or are there better. When i know the sizes i can oder them at work, food grade compound and thuff.

[Wayne52]

I'm reading bad things about the O-rings. Zo i want to buy better spare one zo i don't have te wait for them when the gun is leaking. I only find O-ring on Ebay.

Are they any good. Or are there better. When i know the sizes i can oder them at work, food grade compound and thuff.

From what I've read the trigger mechanisms also come with cheap grease on them too, I might just completely disassemble mine
when I get it(Mrodair order) and replace all the o rings with some good orings to begin with.

[Ozarkairgunner]

The gun should arrive with spare o-rings, they are cheaper o-rings,  as for the sizes I really don't know. I've heard about the grease issue on the trigger as well, but really haven't had an issue with it. My trigger was a little stiff when I first got it, but after shooting it quite a bit and making some adjustments I like it now, I've pretty much took out all of the first stage travel and is smooth enough for me now. Not really sure the pound setting where it's at now.

[nervoustrigger]

The one I got from Aceros de Hispania has a very smooth trigger with a fairly light (~8oz) first stage.  The second stage is a fairly stiff wall that I estimate to be probably 3 pounds which is bit heavy for my tastes but it breaks clean so it has been easy to put pellets on target.

That may be luck because CJ and I got ours at the same time. 

[wimpanzee]

I picked up some o-rings at lowes, but some were imperial and didn't fit.

Someone else sent me this manifest for a complete o-ring set for the PP700. I was able to get the few I mis-sized from this list, but I didn't order all of them, so I cannot say definitively whether this list is exhaustive, but it should be good:

1.5mm X 4mm Metric Buna-N 70
1.5mm X 5mm Metric Buna-N 70
1.5mm X 8mm Metric Buna-N 70
1.5mm X 9mm Metric Buna-N 70
1.5mm X 11mm Metric Buna-N 70
1.5mm X 12.5mm Metric Buna-N 70
1.5mm X 13mm Metric Buna-N 70
3mm X 21mm Metric Buna-N 70


These can all be had very affordably from http://www.theoringstore.com/

Not a vendor endorsement, but I did order from there and got my order in just a couple days.

[Frigide]

What will be the best compound voor PCP guns?

[nervoustrigger]

Thanks for the O-ring sizes!

By the way, the O-rings on mine are green which suggests they are HNBR (hydrogenated Buna-N).  It is a superior material to standard Buna-N in the areas of abrasion resistance and temperature.  Granted I don't know anything about the quality of these particular O-rings, I'm just saying it's better if all other things are equal.

I'm not sure why they went with it across the board, though.  The only ones that would benefit from it are the breech block O-ring and regulator spool O-rings.  All the rest are static O-rings.  Speaking of the abrasion resistance.  The temperature rating is irrelevant. 

[nervoustrigger]

What will be the best compound voor PCP guns?

For high pressure air, Buna-N is all you need for static O-rings (O-rings that don't move).

For those that move, polyurethane or the aforementioned hydrogenated buna nitrile (HNBR) is preferred.

For CO2, I like silicone for static O-rings and polyurethane for moving ones.  Quality Buna-N O-rings will also work but there are many that will swell due to CO2 permeating the material.

[BTair]

so, anybody hear any updates from Mrodair on the MKii version?  Last I heard he was supposed to be getting them in on the 23rd. Anyone who's ordered from Mrodair before, can I expect a tracking number once it ships, or will it be a surprise when it shows up?

[Ozarkairgunner]

Thanks for the O-ring sizes!

Thanks as well.

Jason, have you got any trigger time with yours yet? I know you've mainly been focusing on your CP-1

[nervoustrigger]

Jason, have you got any trigger time with yours yet?

Just a little.  I've shot it just enough to know it likes the JSB 8.4gr well enough to send them through the ear of a chipmunk at 30 yards.    I haven't done any tinkering with it though.

I got it mainly as a compact squirrel and chipmunk gun that I can grab for targets of opportunity of the singular kind.  Sort of a...one shot, one kill, then everything scatters and stays away for 30 minutes.  For extended hunting and pesting sessions that involves multiple potential targets, I prefer to stick with a rifle for the extended range and quietness.  So I'm trying to resist the urge to put an LDC on it and just enjoy it for its compactness and accuracy in true pistol proportions.

[Frigide]

I read a lot about regulator creep. What is it and can it be fixt?

[nervoustrigger]

You read about creep being a problem with this particular gun?  I haven't heard about it.  I have read about it becoming more consistent after a couple of hundred shots have been run through it.  That could be the regulator but other things can easily contribute.

If you think yours is creeping, chronograph a few shots taken in rapid succession, then a few with 5 or 10 minutes in between.  If the velocity varies a good bit, regulator creep is the likely cause.

Not a lot can be done about it except to make sure the valve seat and seal can mate cleanly.  The rest is up to the geometry of the parts.

[Ozarkairgunner]

Jason, have you got any trigger time with yours yet?

Just a little.  I've shot it just enough to know it likes the JSB 8.4gr well enough to send them through the ear of a chipmunk at 30 yards.    I haven't done any tinkering with it though.

I got it mainly as a compact squirrel and chipmunk gun that I can grab for targets of opportunity of the singular kind.  Sort of a...one shot, one kill, then everything scatters and stays away for 30 minutes.  For extended hunting and pesting sessions that involves multiple potential targets, I prefer to stick with a rifle for the extended range and quietness.  So I'm trying to resist the urge to put an LDC on it and just enjoy it for its compactness and accuracy in true pistol proportions.

Good deal man, I originally bought mine with the intentions of using it for a "tackle box" gun, or just easy carrying, for snake pesto. But after I got it and realized how loud it was and the installing one of David's (Rocker1) LDCs, which works remarkably great (side note:you need the adapter from ttrob), it's way to long for a backpack gun. So I'm currently looking I to option to convert mine into a carbine. Most likely I'll buy a black and make my own stock, a little something to keep me busy until more funds developing the ag account, also should be a pretty unique carbine with a laminated stock.

[Ribbonstone]

Don't see it (even the MkI "bugger grip" version) as a tackle box gun....unless you got a *(&^ of a big tackle box.

This is my 2nd Webley Junior...which you'd have to hunt up used...and as far as I can tell, you'd have to beat on one and  leave it out in the rain to actually kill one past redemption (1st one died in Katrian 2005...12 feet of salty water and a 6 week wait to get back in will do it).

Will fit inside the front pocket of a pair of small sized jeans (I'm kind of slim at 30X34")...not just in the pocket, but down in so that nothing poked out of the pocket....and (wrapped with an oiled rag) will sit in the tackle box with a small tin of pellets without taking up much room.

NOPE...SSP speeds (like 400-406fps) aren't going to make it a long range wonder...but snakes inside of 1015 feet...yep, it will do it.

Not that it can match the energy or accuracy of the PCP....but for having it with you, it rates #1.

Size comparison:

[Wayne52]

so, anybody hear any updates from Mrodair on the MKii version?  Last I heard he was supposed to be getting them in on the 23rd. Anyone who's ordered from Mrodair before, can I expect a tracking number once it ships, or will it be a surprise when it shows up?

He emailed me back and said when they ship them they'll be shipped UPS, he also said they'd be there on the 23rd, if they made it there on the 23rd hopefully they'll be shipped soon, they haven't shipped mine yet because anytime I have a UPS package coming I find out when it's shipped.