PP700 adventure started(Artemis PP700s-a)

[Ozarkairgunner]

Hey guys, thanks for all the info about how your orders were handled.  And to you, CJ, for confirming the same issue with their online order history.

Turns out just this morning got an email from Aceros saying the order has shipped so hopefully it won't get hung up.  I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to put it through the paces but I'm still looking forward to its arrival.

I think you and I ordered on the same day and should be expecting them around the same time.

[WildCJ5]

Got into the trigger today. Cleaned out the original grease and sticky lube and polished the contact spots. It isn't a match trigger but it is night and day better now.

 While I had the grip off I whittled down the notch the breach rotates into. Makes it much easier to load.

[anti-squirrel]

Got into the trigger today. Cleaned out the original grease and sticky lube and polished the contact spots. It isn't a match trigger but it is night and day better now.

 While I had the grip off I whittled down the notch the breach rotates into. Makes it much easier to load.

My trigger was a little stiff/sticky in the first stage, and the second was imprecise, but I never tore into it.  I couldn't leave it alone long enough to dig into (it's the one airgun that I shot just about daily).  Even though SPA claims the pistol is considered a "Match grade" airgun, I was dubious since the trigger is nowhere near as crisp as the one on my P-17 or even the QB-79.  Yeah, mine's the PP700W, but functionally they're the same. 

I intend to order the black pistol grip from MRodAir and do some creative plastic-removal for ease of loading when David wraps up with my pistol.  I like the idea of taking some material off.

 The dollar-to-fun ratio on these pistols is still amazing.  If/when the rifle-version is eventually available one way or another, I'll be buying one.  I think the tilting-block design is just handy as heck for a single-shot hunter.  Keeps the entire action very light, and reloading is a quick evolution. 

[WildCJ5]

The trigger was a simple job, maybe spent a half hour start to finish. The roll pins all dropped out with just a push.

[Rallyshark]

I figured I'd post an update on my PP700S-A, instead of throwing it in other folks' threads.  I swapped out my dot sight for a Simmons 4x32 pistol scope this weekend,  Wow, what a difference a scope makes!  I had another chance to "use" it today, and that scope really makes a huge difference for me.  It is gives so much more precision to the pistol.  I had no problem shooting multiple dime size groups at 30 yards with it.  That was from a rest, of course.

I did everything I could to keep the weight down and get the scope as close to bore as possible.  I tapped the top of the dovetail to mount a proper screw on Weaver rail, which is just a light thin piece of metal really.  That weaver rail also gave me a little more room to move the scope forward to help with eye relief and loading.  I then sourced some Nikon alloy low A mounts, which are very simple and very light weight.  I topped that off with the 8 oz. Simmons fixed scope.  All in all, the weight is very manageable.  Another plus is the low height of the scope.  It pretty much keeps the same POI from 20-30 yards.  I haven't tried it at longer ranges yet. 

 I tried a Sightmark 4X before the Simmons, but it was heavier, and I ran out of windage adjustment trying to get it on target.  The Simmons seems to have a bit more zoom to it as well.  That could also be my imagination though.  The clarity is better on the Simmons too.  The biggest downfall that may bother some is the long eye relief.  It is, without a doubt, a pistol only scope.  If you want to shoot it at half arm length, it ain't the scope for you.  Other than that, I HIGHLY recommend it for it's clarity and low weight.  I really enjoy being able to have this nice little pistol by the door for dealing with pests.  Anywho, there's me update for those that didn't see it elsewhere 

[Frigide]

I want to buy a PP700. But don't know which one.
PP700W (green handle round shroud.) PP700S-A (black handle square shroud)
What are the difference? What er the effects of that difference. (sound, accuracy, recoil, power)

I want to use the gun allround. With a scope.

[Ozarkairgunner]

I want to buy a PP700. But don't know which one.
PP700W (green handle round shroud.) PP700S-A (black handle square shroud)
What are the difference? What er the effects of that difference. (sound, accuracy, recoil, power)

I want to use the gun allround. With a scope.

I never owned the original pp700w (green handle) but the newer pp700sa has a slightly longer barrel and shroud, a longer rail for mounting optics, and from my understanding a more comfortable grip (or at least for folks with smaller hands like myself). Other than that I don't think there are any real differences.

[Frigide]

I want to buy a PP700. But don't know which one.
PP700W (green handle round shroud.) PP700S-A (black handle square shroud)
What are the difference? What er the effects of that difference. (sound, accuracy, recoil, power)

I want to use the gun allround. With a scope.

I never owned the original pp700's (green handle) but the newer pp700sa has a slightly longer barrel and shroud, a longer rail for mounting optics, and from my understanding a more comfortable grip (or at least for folks with smaller hands like myself). Other than that I don't think there are any real differences.

When i look at the picture the shroud are the same length. The barrel is longer?
Doesn't this mean the pp700s is louder because the shroud at the end of the barrel is shorter and stronger stronger because the longer travel of the pellet?

[anti-squirrel]

I want to buy a PP700. But don't know which one.
PP700W (green handle round shroud.) PP700S-A (black handle square shroud)
What are the difference? What er the effects of that difference. (sound, accuracy, recoil, power)

I want to use the gun allround. With a scope.

Same basic gun.  The green-booger is a hair quieter.  The only reason I can see to buy the one with open sights is if you want open sights.  It costs more if ordered from overseas, and I'm a cheap guy.  Aceros-de-Hispania had the black-handled model with open sites longer than they've had the green-booger model, so I ended up buying mine from Krale half a year ago.  Whichever gun your choose, you cannot go wrong, especially since MRodAir now has the black handle-grip for sale separately.  Which means I'd mostly likely buy the green-booger from Krale then buy the grip separately, but that's just me.

Incidentally, mine is only a .177 and it makes very short work of squirrels.  It has a preference for heavier pellets, which makes squirrel headshots that much more entertaining satisfying effective.

[Ozarkairgunner]

Yes the barrel is longer on the black one...barrel on the green is 9.75", black is 10.5". Not much difference

[Wayne52]

Still patiently waiting for my Mrodair one

[Frigide]

I want to buy a PP700. But don't know which one.
PP700W (green handle round shroud.) PP700S-A (black handle square shroud)
What are the difference? What er the effects of that difference. (sound, accuracy, recoil, power)

I want to use the gun allround. With a scope.

Same basic gun.  The green-booger is a hair quieter.  The only reason I can see to buy the one with open sights is if you want open sights.  It costs more if ordered from overseas, and I'm a cheap guy.  Aceros-de-Hispania had the black-handled model with open sites longer than they've had the green-booger model, so I ended up buying mine from Krale half a year ago.  Whichever gun your choose, you cannot go wrong, especially since MRodAir now has the black handle-grip for sale separately.  Which means I'd mostly likely buy the green-booger from Krale then buy the grip separately, but that's just me.

Incidentally, mine is only a .177 and it makes very short work of squirrels.  It has a preference for heavier pellets, which makes squirrel headshots that much more entertaining satisfying effective.

I want a new airgun so my very old Diana .177 can retire. I will use the pistol fot shooting indoors 10 yard, plinken out doors, and shooting starlings (pest control).
Should i buy the .22 or the .177?
Krale has the black one in a few weeks, i like the squere shroud and the black handel. Olso  can i use a differend keep and use the stock korrel?

[wimpanzee]

I've got a black one in .22, doing 40 shots at 13fpe. Perfect for backyard starlings....

[Frigide]

I've got a black one in .22, doing 40 shots at 13fpe. Perfect for backyard starlings....

The PP700S-A .22 it is! Al i need is a good scope. In the Netherlands they are hard to get!

[Rallyshark]

I know a lot of the UK guys have scopes on theirs, but I don't know where they're getting them.  I have a 4X fixed power scope on mine and love it.  Another option, that you probably won't have a problem getting, is a 2X dot sight.  It is a good match for the distances you'll be shooting.  Just make sure and get one with a 2-2.5MOA dot, and you'll have plenty of precision. 

They are great for pesting.  Bone stock they have all the power you'd need for starlings.  I've done some tuning to mine, so it is shooting a bit hotter than it was when it showed up.  My S-A is .177, and I dispatched nutter number 4 with it yesterday.  I have gotten full pass through on them every time   That is with a 7.25 grain pellet moving about 900fps.  If you are really worried about noise, you'll want to get an adapter to install an LDC, regardless of which model you have. 

[Ozarkairgunner]

Mine is in .22 at well, getting 35 shots 14.6fpe  and popping black birds out at 35 yards with a steady rest using a 2x Truglo red dot.

Note: the Truglo is the only red dot that I've seen that has 2x and a 2.5 MOA dot that was under $100

[Ribbonstone]

Don't have the MkII version, still not finding anything to complain about the "bugger grip" version (other than painting the green grip).

They do seem to be the same over all length, so if the barrel is longer and the shroud skinnier, it's going to be louder. From the pixs posted, not really sure if the MkII shroud is "active" or just a housing with no venting at the muzzle. Will freely admit, the black grip/rectangular shroud version is a nicer looking pistol, and if I hadn't already gotten the "bugger grip" MkI version, I'd likely be waiting on the MK II version.

All I can say about the .22 Mk 1 shroud is that it is active, but of a limited volume, and the pistol starts getting a bit loud much past 11-12 foot pounds.  Decently back yard friendly under 11 foot pounds (lets say a 15.9gr. @ 560fps) with the issue shroud....kind of loud much past that point.

[Cathartes]

Mine is in .22 at well, getting 35 shots 14.6fpe  and popping black birds out at 35 yards with a steady rest using a 2x Truglo red dot.

That is really impressive. Any idea how flat of a string you are getting? Any tips on tuning for power?

[TleVta]

 a 7.25 grain pellet moving about 900fps.   

That's what I'm talkin about.

[Ozarkairgunner]

Mine is in .22 at well, getting 35 shots 14.6fpe  and popping black birds out at 35 yards with a steady rest using a 2x Truglo red dot.

That is really impressive. Any idea how flat of a string you are getting? Any tips on tuning for power?

My string is fairly flat now, I've put over 1500 pellets thru mine since receiving it a little over a month ago (3 tins of the CPHPs working on the 4th now lol, along with various other pellets looking for a good one).  For the power on mine I increased hammer spring preload about 3/4 turns and then set and adjusted the regulator setting, inside the trigger gaurd, 1/4 turns cw and shooting 10 shots at a time thru the crony until i started seeing #s i liked. I know I put a little over a hundred shots thru mine while tuning, as I'd get close I'd shot a full string to see how many shots I got and then adjust accordingly. Cw to increase ccw to decrease. Last time I shot cronied, 2 weeks ago, I was sitting at a 680fps average, sd of 2.4fps, es of 9fps over 36 shots then a sharp drop of 17fps less and then 36fps further down.