Budget, quiet, super accurate basement and back yard pcp rifle recommendations.

[MDStroup]

I am sorry. I didnt know that it was so heavy or had an extremely small air volume.

[MDStroup]

Michael,

Thank you!  I'm excited!

You can still buy new old stock B50's from the Canadian Airgun Forum Store:

http://www.airgunforum.ca/store/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=98

The prices you see on the website are in Canadian dollars.  Shipping is $40 Canadian the last time I purchased.

Taso

"dang" it. I had to see that after i purchased my maximus! 

[Taso1000]

Michael,

If you can cancel your order or refuse delivery you should be able to not get stuck with the Maximus.  But I will be honest with you.  You will have to go through the B50 because the orings have deteriorated and become brittle.  It may be ok initially, as my 3 had air in them when I got them.  But once you ask the orings to flex with different pressure, shoot down and fill up,, I think that causes them to leak.

But all pcp's leak to a certain extent or will leak.  It's inevitable because orings don't last forever.

They are simple guns to work on though.  Simple designs with no tricks.

Taso

[MDStroup]

Michael,

If you can cancel your order or refuse delivery you should be able to not get stuck with the Maximus.  But I will be honest with you.  You will have to go through the B50 because the orings have deteriorated and become brittle.  It may be ok initially, as my 3 had air in them when I got them.  But once you ask the orings to flex with different pressure, shoot down and fill up,, I think that causes them to leak.

But all pcp's leak to a certain extent or will leak.  It's inevitable because orings don't last forever.

They are simple guns to work on though.  Simple designs with no tricks.

Taso

To late. I have had my maximus for a little bit. I actually had to send the first back because it was completely messed up. The new one looks very nice so far. No leaks either. I plan on doing a full review once i get the problems with my hill mk3 handpump sorted out.

[Ribbonstone]

Over the years, have found detachable tube PCP's easier to work on (when/if work is needed).  The only part that can leak unscrews/detaches, so can work on it in isolation.  ...are pretty much attacking both ends (fill/valve) from the outside rather than having to get to the valve on the inside.  One of the reasons I like Hatsans and AA 200's, although the AA200's have been pretty trouble free over the years.


The oldest is the .22 AA s200 (made in 2003). Have had to go in and fix the fill nipple (the old ones have a great big industrial looking air hose fitting) twice, but the rest of it is still hanging in there (YEAH...I know...the valve end O-rings are 13 years old...but if it don't leak, don't fart with it).

The 200T's usually come with a gauged tube.  That's nice, but you also have to uncrew the tube to fill it from the valve end.  Turns out, I actually like that...just easier to fill the tube off the rifle than it is to lay the rifle down to fill it....so I end up filling BOTH the fill nipple and the gauged tube by detaching and filling from the valve end (which may be one reason the stock finish has lasted so well...it's not been constantly laid on the ground).

The only down side to this is that if you add an LDC, will have to be one skinny enough for the air tube to pass under it, or a specialty flat-bottomed LDC.    Can get the air tube to pass under a 7/8" round LDC, but not a 1" LDC.

[Taso1000]

Michael,

I'm sorry.  Must have misunderstood.

Taso

[MDStroup]

Michael,

I'm sorry.  Must have misunderstood.

Taso

no sorries needed. I just wish i looked harder before i purchased the maximus. I hope you enjoy your t200.

[RayK]

So you can get a B50 from the Canadian supplier, but it is $270 plus $40 shipping?  If so, I see why they have not sold out.  I bought both mine for $180 shipped.

Ray

[Taso1000]

Ray,

Yes but those prices are in Canadian dollars.  You'll have to check the current exchange rate but approximately 3/4 of that total would be in American dollars.

Taso

[mista meener]

Hi,

Does anyone know the seller fourts on Targettalk that Mark and Fred found?  He only has 6 posts.  I'm a little bit of a worry wart so I'd rather pay the $525 and have the vendor support and a factory warranty, just in case.  I need peace of mind.

So is the consensus that the Champion's Choice T200 version has more of what I'm looking for versus the Pyramid Air version?

The T200 are the leaders right now.  2nd place I would put the Disco's R Us Disco FT.  Third I would put the Challenger and 1720T tied.

I'm 99% sure the rifle will stay at 550 fps.  I want this one un altered.  I have other rifles that shoot hot much better anyway. 

I will need to make sure I have the right connectors to fill from a pump.  I'm sure CC or PA can guide me there unless you have some recommendations?

I have plenty of cheap scopes to start with.  Most likely a 4x AO Rex scope I bought from Mike M.  So far they have suited my needs real well.  And if one breaks I won't cry lol.  It most likely will be covered under warranty unless I use it as a hammer lol.

In the next month, if the rifle is not already silent, I'll pick up a TKO or an ldc from David (Rocker1). 

Another tube may be nice and I'll have a backup if one fails.  Can't shoot the rifle with out a tube.  How many more shots will the longer tube give?

Will this rifle at 550 fps benefit from a regulator since it already shoots pretty impressively and at 10m?  A super small es is not necessary at 10m correct?  Obviously it can't hurt.

There was something else I wanted to ask but I can't remember right now.

Thank you All,

Taso

   why would you need a scope at 10 meters. it would get very boring after a short time. if you shoot the sites that come with it more rewarding and easy to learn. be advised the T200 is a small rifle like a kids size

[Taso1000]

I have issues with match sights.  I am nearsighted with astigmatism.  I've never used match sights till I received my CMP refurb 853 about a year ago.  In the past I've always used post and notch type sights with no issues but I never shot for one hole groups.

While I can align everything inside the front sight when shooting at 10 meter bulls at 10 meters, I cannot center the outside of the front sight within the rear peep.  I cannot see clearly all the way around the front sight.  I see basically the profile of a football and it's positioned diagonally when I look through the rear peep.

I don't know if it's my astigmatism or the progressive lenses in my glasses.  So either there is something wrong with my prescription or I'm doing something wrong. 

Right now it's easier to align everything with a scope and thus more enjoyable.  I am not giving up on the open sights so I'll have to find a remedy for my issue.

Thank you All for your help.   

Taso

[Taso1000]

This is what I shot last night.  They are 5 shot groups out of my sandbagged FWB 601 at 10 meters.  Pellets were all wadcutters: H&N Sport, Benjamin Wadcutters, RWS Basic, RWS Hobby and Crosman Super Match.  The black circles are almost 1 3/16th inches across.

I need to find heavier paper to print targets on, since this paper tears so easily, but you can make out most of the impacts.

Thanks,

Taso

[Taso1000]

These are the targets I shot last night.  Same pellets, same distance, same targets.  The difference is that I used my CMP 853 with a BSA 6-24 scope.  It was already on the rifle for pellet testing.  I did shoot at 24 power.

Also, I added 4 clicks up and 4 clicks right after the second target so that is why point of impact changed.

As you can see, if I can see I can shoot well.

Taso

EDIT:  I forgot to mention, I used a plastic election sign as a backer.  It worked better but I have ordered some 60 lb paper to try.  And these are 5 shot groups.

[coljack]

While I can align everything inside the front sight when shooting at 10 meter bulls at 10 meters, I cannot center the outside of the front sight within the rear peep.  I cannot see clearly all the way around the front sight.  I see basically the profile of a football and it's positioned diagonally when I look through the rear peep.

I don't know if it's my astigmatism or the progressive lenses in my glasses.  So either there is something wrong with my prescription or I'm doing something wrong. 

My optometrist told me that a few patients have brought their guns in (with advance notice) when they had their eyes tested. 

He said that helps get a more suitable prescription, but at a certain point with presbyopia there's not much to be done.

Worth a try, though, if you're having problems. 

[Ribbonstone]

IGNORE THE BULLSEYE CENTER...all you need with match sights is to be able to consistently frame the round black bullseye in the center of the front sight's ring.  Eyte is very good at centering a circle in a circle.  So even when you cannot possible see the 10 rignt or the X-ring, if you center the whole bull in the center of the front sight ring, your hols can be very consistent....just have to adjust the sight to allow the pellet to plunk into the middle of the big black bullseye.

BUT...match sights are terrible at these things:

1. Low light.  All the light you get to sight by is whatever passes through that tiny little hole in the rear disk. Works fine in bright light, kind of suxs in dim light.
2. Low contrast targets.  Even in good light, sorting out the fur from the tree bark is much harder with match sights.
3. Irregular shaped objects.  Match sights are made to shoot round bullseyes...anything oblong, irregular, or oddly shaped is going to draw your eye to the fattest part.
4. "guesstimating" hold over or wind hold off. Actually turns out to be really hard to NOT center the bull in the front ring even when you want to.

[Taso1000]

Ribbonstone,

Thank you for the confirmations.  Just to be clear.  I'm not having a problem lining up the black area of the target inside the front sight.  I'm good with that.  The issue I'm having is aligning the outer most circle of the front sight with having equal space around the rear sight hole.  I'm not sure if its called peep or aperture or diopter.  I need to look all these terms up. 

I've attached a picture to explain.  The ring I've marked with a red "1" is the one I'm having trouble with.  The edge marked with a red "2" instead of being nice and crisp as in the picture it is blurry and oval.  It is the only part that is blurry to me.

Taso

[Taso1000]

I forgot to add.  I will shoot one group of H&N Sports tonight with my single vision glasses to see if it helps.  No trifocals.

Taso

EDIT:  The T200 arrived early so no groups tonight.  I'm "shooting" for tomorrow.   

[Taso1000]

Hello All,

The Air Arms T200 was delivered about an hour ago!  Two days earlier than Pyramid Air estimated.  I must be very close to their warehouse.

I took a picture of it next to a new BAM B51.  I thought it would be tiny.  It definitely is not.  I am very glad about that!

I lined up the triggers the best I could to compare dimensions.  Length of pull is very close.  The T200 is about 1/2 inch shorter by my estimations.  Length of pull on the T200 is almost 14 inches measure from the perpendicular part of the trigger straight back to the butt pad while parallel to the barrel.  Measured the same way, the B51 length of pull is a little over 14 1/4 inches. 

I'd like to add to the length of pull because my face is real close to the bolt when mounted and I'd like to add a butt pad that can be adjusted down to raise the comb up so I don't have to scrunch my head down.

While the comparison shows the length of pull is similar, the T200 feels way trimmer/leaner.  It weighs 6.08 pounds as in my picture without the sights.  Now that I have the FWB 601 I doubt I will use them.  I'm sure they will up for sale soon.

I am excited to mount a scope or red dot to shoot it but I want to read the manual first.

From my first impression I am smitten.  I'm thinking another one at the 16 joule level may do the trick for pesting.  But no and back to reality, a .177 B51 in the 20 fpe range will suffice.  But time will tell and all plans have a way of changing.   

Taso

[anuthabubba]

A head up position is my preference and I have adjustable butt plates on several airguns/pb's. Until you can get an adjustable butt plate you might try mounting the rifle with the toe of the butt just under your collar bone at the top of the humerus which will raise the comb of the rifle up closer to your cheek. This could mitigate, to some degree, the short pull of the stock. I do this with the vintage Bens and Dans.

Found a video that shows, at 05:00 to 08:00 minutes, elements of this concept and more.

[Taso1000]

Terry,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I will try that and see how it goes.  I also have a TKO on order. 

Taso