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Hi All,
Went to Coalinga Ca yesterday on their 1000 yd range, 8/17/15...Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases ;D. Had 12, hits but new video camera SHUTS down AUTOMATICALLY so have only 6 hits on video captured, with couple shots in dirt. Turn camera on, get in car and drive the 700 yds back, get on gun, shoot test shots way right to see that NOT COMING CLOSE to camera and carbon tripod.....Anyway i run out of time camera runs before AUTO OFF....SETTINGS show nothing how to change...Have inquiry to canon to see if possible even....Include a still pic of the 12 hits....Actually on VIDEO the 3rd hit didn't leave a black mark but skimmed belly with a ding but skidded into dirt....Bullets shattered and pic is them completely compressed as still enough energy at 700 yds..Recovered the thin hit and it halved bullet length wise...It is 11 o'clock in bullet pic.
On video's click low right corner to view FULL SCREEN and turn sound up to hear the CRACK of that bullet energy STILL AT 700 yds.
1 min video 700 yds https://youtu.be/sxg32JlVSTI (https://youtu.be/sxg32JlVSTI)
World Record 700 yd shot done 2 weeks ago= 16 sec VIDEO... Ram fell down first hit and battery dead so no more that day https://youtu.be/zdE2lYjtM3c (https://youtu.be/zdE2lYjtM3c)
Zoomed 700 yd distance of RAM 1 min VIDEO https://youtu.be/ffKxKQUhtxM (https://youtu.be/ffKxKQUhtxM)
Some bullet fragments were found 25 ft away, back towards gun..WOW what impact. This gun keeps surprising me 8)
Thanks for watching and inquries welcome.............Carl
Bottom pic is looking at 1000 yds number boards....At 200 yd line in middle barely see white ram, 800 yds away..
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Hi All,
Went to Coalinga Ca yesterday on their 1000 yd range, 8/17/15...Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases ;D.
I'm confused by that...were you shooting at 300 yds or 700 yds actual range? ???
Al
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Hi All,
Went to Coalinga Ca yesterday on their 1000 yd range, 8/17/15...Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases ;D.
I'm confused by that...were you shooting at 300 yds or 700 yds actual range? ???
Al
Sorry for confusion...On a 1000 yd range, there are shooting berms/lines starting CLOSEST TO TARGET/PITS. 100, 200, 300, 500, 600, 800, 900, 1000 yds. I am set up at the full 1000 yd range and my target is set on the 300 yd shooting line/berm ...From my shooting position, target is 700 yds away....Notice in the video the LARGE PLYWOOD shooting position markers at the PITS, is 300 yds BEHIND the RAM TARGET..........Watch the zoom video and see just how far the target is away from the gun............thanks for watching................Carl
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Great shooting Sir.
What rifle did you use, and any idea how fast the slug was going when it hit?
I look forward to seeing more of your long distance videos
Dave
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I too have shot 2 outings at 700 yards. One was semi successful the other was a dismal failure. On the successful outing I used my .30 cal. 165 gr. RCBS Silhouette bullet that has been modified by modified by Mr.Ohlen to remove the gas check shank and he increased the rear driving band by .002" inches. This bullet shoots pretty good. I have set my new 300 ten shot record group with this bullet at 5.1" inches. My muzzle velocity is only 860 fps. So to reach 700 yards I needed 192 minutes of angle dialed into the Cold Shot scope base. The Cold Shot elevates the rear of the scope so as the rear of the scope lifts up the front of the scope points lower. It was so bad at 192 MOA that I was seeing my own air stripper in the field of view. I had to remove the air stripper to even see my target. My best outing struck my 45" X 45" target board 8 out of 10 shots. Spotting at Rayner's range can be really difficult due to grass that just swallows up bullets. Although I have little problem spotting high power bullets flying through the air I have had little success spotting air rifle bullets in the air. I'm not sure why? The other issue that is unavoidable is the incredible effect of the wind on the low velocity, low ballistic coefficient bullets. My wind drift at 700 yards is a whopping 93" inches of wind drift with a 10 mph cross wind. Even an undetectable 1 mph change in wind velocity at 700 yards moves my bullet 9.3 inches. So unless we are shooting in a vacuum, long range with air rifles is always going to be dictated by the luck of the wind that you encounter on any particular day. In Ohio, the wind can change in both direction and velocity by significant amounts in the same shot string! This makes tight groups impossible. But like Charlie Brown, I'm sure I'll try again.
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Great shooting Sir.
What rifle did you use, and any idea how fast the slug was going when it hit?
I look forward to seeing more of your long distance videos
Dave
Rifle is my custom .257 CONDOR..ONLY FRAME and BREACH is a stock part, and trigger...All else is custom....Search my other posts and i have pics posted of it it on some of them.....I also explained the parts ordered and all..........Main power is the DYOTAT VALVE...Without that it is just an airgun......The Noe 83 start around 1000 fps and the charts say at 700 yds, 586 fps, using MY calculated B.C. of .168. NOE estimates .188 but was lower for me.........Carl
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GREAT SHOOTING CARL. You estimated BC and retained speed just might be pretty much correct. Looking at the bullet fragments, they say that when lead hits a target and it remains flattened but WHOLE, the impact speed is roughly 600 FPS! Any faster and they fragment. I don't know the exact speed this happens but i've tested it and it appears to be true.........
Keep up the fantastic work.
And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed? And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol! ARRRRRRRRRGH! This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)
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I too have shot 2 outings at 700 yards. One was semi successful the other was a dismal failure. On the successful outing I used my .30 cal. 165 gr. RCBS Silhouette bullet that has been modified by modified by Mr.Ohlen to remove the gas check shank and he increased the rear driving band by .002" inches. This bullet shoots pretty good. I have set my new 300 ten shot record group with this bullet at 5.1" inches. My muzzle velocity is only 860 fps. So to reach 700 yards I needed 192 minutes of angle dialed into the Cold Shot scope base. The Cold Shot elevates the rear of the scope so as the rear of the scope lifts up the front of the scope points lower. It was so bad at 192 MOA that I was seeing my own air stripper in the field of view. I had to remove the air stripper to even see my target. My best outing struck my 45" X 45" target board 8 out of 10 shots. Spotting at Rayner's range can be really difficult due to grass that just swallows up bullets. Although I have little problem spotting high power bullets flying through the air I have had little success spotting air rifle bullets in the air. I'm not sure why? The other issue that is unavoidable is the incredible effect of the wind on the low velocity, low ballistic coefficient bullets. My wind drift at 700 yards is a whopping 93" inches of wind drift with a 10 mph cross wind. Even an undetectable 1 mph change in wind velocity at 700 yards moves my bullet 9.3 inches. So unless we are shooting in a vacuum, long range with air rifles is always going to be dictated by the luck of the wind that you encounter on any particular day. In Ohio, the wind can change in both direction and velocity by significant amounts in the same shot string! This makes tight groups impossible. But like Charlie Brown, I'm sure I'll try again.
I have shot 700 yds 3 different times now over 3+ weeks.......I know how the increased scope rail tilt can be a problem...I didn't spend the $400 for the Cold Shot MOA RAIL...I use a HAWKE for $22 that does the same thing except you have to remove scope to increase...But is easy and i can do for the range wanted that day in 5 min now. I have measurements of screw protrusion so get in area quickly for needed range.........I am close to seeing the air stripper but not yet.
That ram meant for 500 meters is getting smaller as i keep moving it further... It is 13" high, belly to back. 30" wide, chest to butt............Elevation inconsistency is the hardest thing right now. I need a taller target, really 8)......I shot yesterday at 800 yds too, with the Lyman 71 grain and only needed 158 moa at 800 yds, while the Noe on Video needed 160 moa at 700 yds....I need a little larger target to see the elevation shot to shot changes? Only got one on steel and looking at the video a LOT of shots hear hit behind the camera and skip into the bank HIGH.. So on the gun i aimed lower or bottom of RAM and couldn't see where hits were as low and high not much room bare dirt and as you, weeds eat up shot....So then i raise up TO MUCH and over the bank and don't know where they hit either....There is a really tall cut out mountain for the backstop at 1000 yd range of alkali...But it is 1050 yds from the bench and i don't want to lay prone on 800 yd line...Also don't want to get a solid pipe leg sturdy bench portable and set up that way but i COULD SEE the strikes on dry dirt??? When i get to where scope rail sees muzzle i will quit extending the distance as i WON'T build a really raised high mount to get more elevation as the airgun at this range is not really good for anything....To hit anything have to know EXACT DISTANCE and anything a few yards fore or aft will be a LARGE MISS.......GOOD LUCK in your endevours.....................Carl
I totally understand the need to see bullets HIT and kick dust.....They DON'T have the speed/energy of POWDER LOADS and much more difficult to find.......Also the WIND DOES BLOW in CA TOO!!
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GREAT SHOOTING CARL. You estimated BC and retained speed just might be pretty much correct. Looking at the bullet fragments, they say that when lead hits a target and it remains flattened but WHOLE, the impact speed is roughly 600 FPS! Any faster and they fragment. I don't know the exact speed this happens but i've tested it and it appears to be true.........
Keep up the fantastic work.
And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed? And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol! ARRRRRRRRRGH! This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)
Thanks Cedric....Before up to 600 yds all i found were TINY SHINY SPECS of bullets as they fragmented to almost DUST....700 yds were the first yesterday to find mushroomed fragments as pictured........So your figures mentioned seem to fit?
The B.C. I used were from shooting at muzzle and 50 yds a week or so ago and input figures into the B.C. Calculator... Noe on their diagrams for bullet give estimate of .188... My average of 6 or 7 shots of several bullets lowered that figure to .168 in actual shooting.
I did hear back this afternoon from Canon..They say camera will shut off when 4 gb of data are loaded...MODE was FULL HD at 1920 resolution so stacked up fast..I lowered it to 1280 HD just now, and will probably give me enough time MAYBE to get a decent string on VIDEO? If not Tech said to lower rez to 640 and get over 1 hr of continuous recording. Good info the book didn't explain............Next time out will have MORE TIME to get better storage of hits on target, OR NOT :( Had the dozen yesterday and camera OFF >:(
I explained in above answer to BlueThunder i DID extend to 800 yds yesterday....Will send to DOUG but have it on PRIVATE for youtube as not ready for publish as yet that video...But gun will kick up DIRT at 800 yds and still hits ....Will send link to Doug now, so he can access the private file.......He can send it to you but don't want public yet. Want a better one...........Later Cedric..................Carl
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BC changes with velocity, unless your bullet matches the G1 drag model perfectly (highly unlikely).... Unless you know what velocity NOE measured their BC at, you are comparing apples and oranges.... Both numbers could be correct if they were determined at different velocities....
Bob
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And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed? And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol! ARRRRRRRRRGH! This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)
I did hear back this afternoon from Canon..They say camera will shut off when 4 gb of data are loaded...MODE was FULL HD at 1920 resolution so stacked up fast..I lowered it to 1280 HD just now, and will probably give me enough time MAYBE to get a decent string on VIDEO? If not Tech said to lower rez to 640 and get over 1 hr of continuous recording. Good info the book didn't explain............Next time out will have MORE TIME to get better storage of hits on target, OR NOT :( Had the dozen yesterday and camera OFF >:(
Hey.. Awesome as usual.. That distance is getting to be extreme.. Call Guinness!!
If uploading to U tube.. Use 1080, or 720, as that's usually as much as people use nowadays..
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Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.
I'm not quite following this. So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct? This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?
That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away. In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards? No it isn't.
Take note of what Cedric is shooting. He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.
If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance. I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.
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What He is saying is the target is 300yds from the 1000yds targets. His is on the firing line of the 1000yds targets.
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What He is saying is the target is 300yds from the 1000yds targets. His is on the firing line of the 1000yds targets.
Then I stand corrected. I'm still confused for some reason. Maybe it's the way he describes it. Even on the video he states; "I have a 500 meter ram set at 700 yards. It's on the 300 yard berm at the 1000 yard range." I can see on the video that the berm he's talking about is closer to the target line . Thanks for clearly this up.
Very impressive shooting.
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Hitting that ram at 700 yards with an airgun is just crazy. Excellent long distance air rifle build. Awesome shooting.
Its hard to believe how far airguns have come in the last few years.
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BC changes with velocity, unless your bullet matches the G1 drag model perfectly (highly unlikely).... Unless you know what velocity NOE measured their BC at, you are comparing apples and oranges.... Both numbers could be correct if they were determined at different velocities....
Bob
I understand that BOB. Cedric responded to me with my estimated B.C. and i said i actually chronoed at 50 yds and inputed to the JBM, and it calculated that NOE on that day at speed i shot it at to be .168 BC.. I just mentioned Noe estimate. I am ONLY concerned what it is DOING for me at any given moment at the speed I SHOOT. Thanks........Carl
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And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed? And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol! ARRRRRRRRRGH! This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)
I did hear back this afternoon from Canon..They say camera will shut off when 4 gb of data are loaded...MODE was FULL HD at 1920 resolution so stacked up fast..I lowered it to 1280 HD just now, and will probably give me enough time MAYBE to get a decent string on VIDEO? If not Tech said to lower rez to 640 and get over 1 hr of continuous recording. Good info the book didn't explain............Next time out will have MORE TIME to get better storage of hits on target, OR NOT :( Had the dozen yesterday and camera OFF >:(
Hey.. Awesome as usual.. That distance is getting to be extreme.. Call Guinness!!
If uploading to U tube.. Use 1080, or 720, as that's usually as much as people use nowadays..
My camera will ONLY record in 1920, 1280, 640 resolution.........It was in 1920 and to much info filling card......I downsized to 1280 and will probably give a good relay and time.....If not will reduce to 640......Carl
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Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.
I'm not quite following this. So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct? This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?
That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away. In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards? No it isn't.
Take note of what Cedric is shooting. He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.
If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance. I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.
The SHOT WAS posted at the TRUE SHOOTING DISTANCE...700 yds......If you would READ the first poster GIPPETO was confused and i explained in DETAIL what a 1000 yd range WAS and the berm placing starting at the 100 yd all way back to 1000 yard benches. SIXSHOOTERTEXAN then explained it to you again....It is NOT A REDUCE SIZE RAM.....It is the 500 meter FULL SIZED RAM but when shooting it at 700 yds it is same size, but the increased DISTANCE MAKES IT LOOK SMALLER from the gun...My title is correct...Shooting from the 1000 yd benches and target placed upon the 300 yd berm, that is 700 yds TO THAT BERM......I also placed RAM on the 200 yd berm which is 800 yds from the gun....Obviously you don't shoot long range and don't understand what one looks like???? .........I shoot F-Class with Powder to 1000 yds and these ranges are quite simple....If you also looked at the ZOOMED VIDEO showing gun and OUT TO THE RAM and you would see how far it really is.................Anyway it is way out there.....Go back and read my post to GIPPETO and quite clear to me anyway...........Thanks for replying...........Carl
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Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.
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Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.
I'm not quite following this. So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct? This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?
That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away. In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards? No it isn't.
Take note of what Cedric is shooting. He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.
If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance. I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.
The SHOT WAS posted at the TRUE SHOOTING DISTANCE...700 yds......If you would READ the first poster GIPPETO was confused and i explained in DETAIL what a 1000 yd range WAS and the berm placing starting at the 100 yd all way back to 1000 yard benches. SIXSHOOTERTEXAN then explained it to you again....It is NOT A REDUCE SIZE RAM.....It is the 500 meter FULL SIZED RAM but when shooting it at 700 yds it is same size, but the increased DISTANCE MAKES IT LOOK SMALLER from the gun...My title is correct...Shooting from the 1000 yd benches and target placed upon the 300 yd berm, that is 700 yds TO THAT BERM......I also placed RAM on the 200 yd berm which is 800 yds from the gun....Obviously you don't shoot long range and don't understand what one looks like???? .........I shoot F-Class with Powder to 1000 yds and these ranges are quite simple....If you also looked at the ZOOMED VIDEO showing gun and OUT TO THE RAM and you would see how far it really is.................Anyway it is way out there.....Go back and read my post to GIPPETO and quite clear to me anyway...........Thanks for replying...........Carl
You are correct. I was confused when I read it. Don't get your panties in a wad.
That was excellent marksman ship. I doubt if I could make the shot.
Are you going to try for the 1000 yd mark anytime soon. What were your wind conditions at the time.
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Just kinda chiming in here that for those that don't fully understand this, shooting this far is extremely hard. EXTREMELY! I don't and have never shot 1000 yard competition and this gentleman does. And he has said how hard this is. For me, shooting out to 400-500 yards is hard so i can ONLY imagine how much harder 200-300 ADDITONAL yards is.
Its funny too that, cause i shoot out to 400 yards often, im extremely comfortable shooting and hitting things at 200-300. And i don't mean POT SHOOTING or LOBBING. I mean doing it accurately. Eggs on golf tees at 200 yards accurate. At those ranges, the wind plays a big role. When you get to 400 yards +- with airguns, then wind is more punishing. And this plays on you mentally. PUSHING OUT TO 700 YARDS wind must make it seem like the targets are doing the "MATRIX" as the bullets whizzzzz by......lol!
I give Carl and Bluethunder much Kudos for even attempting these feats...........................
Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you..........
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Hitting that ram at 700 yards with an airgun is just crazy. Excellent long distance air rifle build. Awesome shooting.
Its hard to believe how far airguns have come in the last few years.
Thanks on GUN compliment. It was a labor of love. The distance i keep pushing to just find out how far it can go boggles my mind and is what keeps me pushing the distance to just see....>I have shot for almost 65 years but NEW to AIRGUNS since Feb of this year........What i read and have learned DOING, the advancement that i see of what The gun is capable of belongs to DOUG NOBLE...Without his inventiveness and capabilities to make HIS VALVE, this super distance with air would not be possible with a CONDOR anyway....His VALVE gives the necessary volume of HP air to send the heavy lead bullets at their best flight, just short of supersonic..........IMO anyway...........Thanks.............Carl
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Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.
Yeah I too would like to see some groups at 100-200 yds. Great shooting!
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Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.
I fill from 3200 with 62 gr, 3450 for 71 gr, 3500 and 3700 for 83 & 90 grain bullets. Have gone to 4000 psi but accuracy goes bad....I don't have a shot count as i ALWAYS shoot tethered and regulated so until my big tank runs down ??? At around 3400 psi I can shoot over 200 shots....When first started and 3400 psi, i got around 6 shots before dropped to bad and with a 53 cu in tank on other gun, same type build, i have in ULTIMA STOCK, i had nice curve and 8-10 GOOD SHOT CURVE. Gun is strictly built for BENCH.........Below I included some decent 100 yd pics of different bullets and dates.. It CAN SHOOT but won't do this on every time out......But it SHOOTS, and i have better than MOA at 220 yds too posted on another thread.........One with aspirin tablet was 7 shots. First one was RIGHT and then 6 with 2 into one hole that seen easily on original target..Then below that some at my ranges far rail at 220 yards........CARL
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Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.
I'm not quite following this. So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct? This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?
That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away. In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards? No it isn't.
Take note of what Cedric is shooting. He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.
If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance. I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.
The SHOT WAS posted at the TRUE SHOOTING DISTANCE...700 yds......If you would READ the first poster GIPPETO was confused and i explained in DETAIL what a 1000 yd range WAS and the berm placing starting at the 100 yd all way back to 1000 yard benches. SIXSHOOTERTEXAN then explained it to you again....It is NOT A REDUCE SIZE RAM.....It is the 500 meter FULL SIZED RAM but when shooting it at 700 yds it is same size, but the increased DISTANCE MAKES IT LOOK SMALLER from the gun...My title is correct...Shooting from the 1000 yd benches and target placed upon the 300 yd berm, that is 700 yds TO THAT BERM......I also placed RAM on the 200 yd berm which is 800 yds from the gun....Obviously you don't shoot long range and don't understand what one looks like???? .........I shoot F-Class with Powder to 1000 yds and these ranges are quite simple....If you also looked at the ZOOMED VIDEO showing gun and OUT TO THE RAM and you would see how far it really is.................Anyway it is way out there.....Go back and read my post to GIPPETO and quite clear to me anyway...........Thanks for replying...........Carl
You are correct. I was confused when I read it. Don't get your panties in a wad.
That was excellent marksman ship. I doubt if I could make the shot.
Are you going to try for the 1000 yd mark anytime soon. What were your wind conditions at the time.
Glad you understand NOW.....My panties do NOT get in a wad, as i understood perfectly ;D Thanks for compliment but anyone with any long range ability with my bench set up tools could make the shots...It is NOT easy with AIR at distances no one has experience shooting at and is a LOT more difficult than my 1000 yd built custom F-CLASS guns for sure.....Wind was fairly calm as i set up before sun up and was as good a day as could be for first couple hrs...I was real lucky as wind CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT at Coalinga...Have shot long range there since Mid Nineties........
Although the computer sheets say bullet will still be about 550 fps with Lyman 71 grain at 1000 yds, the MOA needed would be over 200, and without a special riser made tilted with this in it, I would see end of barrel in scope from the tilt forward....So the gun will shoot that far but accuracy would be a mess and i really don't plan on much beyond 800 if at all.......Already shot 800 yds, but need some adjustments and get a better video for that..........Cheers, thanks for your participation..............Carl
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Just kinda chiming in here that for those that don't fully understand this, shooting this far is extremely hard. EXTREMELY! I don't and have never shot 1000 yard competition and this gentleman does. And he has said how hard this is. For me, shooting out to 400-500 yards is hard so i can ONLY imagine how much harder 200-300 ADDITONAL yards is.
Its funny too that, cause i shoot out to 400 yards often, im extremely comfortable shooting and hitting things at 200-300. And i don't mean POT SHOOTING or LOBBING. I mean doing it accurately. Eggs on golf tees at 200 yards accurate. At those ranges, the wind plays a big role. When you get to 400 yards +- with airguns, then wind is more punishing. And this plays on you mentally. PUSHING OUT TO 700 YARDS wind must make it seem like the targets are doing the "MATRIX" as the bullets whizzzzz by......lol!
I give Carl and Bluethunder much Kudos for even attempting these feats...........................
Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you..........
Thanks for jumping in, AnyTIME...........Your guns will reach out there now...........Difficult with getting the MOA needed....Also with energy being a lot less than powder the hits don't explode dust easily and need a good sized bare spot to spot WHERE THE ELEVATION is to spot the shots........That alone is inhibiting me.......I could change the end zone which would be nice but then would have to lay prone and that is why i am not shooting F-Class now...Crippled in back, bad hips and painful to lay PRONE.....Next OPTION is a portable, sturdy shooting bench but cheapest SOLID one i found is $450 and don't want to spend that to just shoot the CONDOR 2-3 times to find MY MAXIMUM DISTANCE?? Once i find what that is for my rifle, i will be DONE doing it.......Then it will be just at the regular range and no more than 220 yds. It is convenient an local range...Coalinga is 140 miles round trip each time and it isn't all that fun aft er you have done it??
Carl
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Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.
Yeah I too would like to see some groups at 100-200 yds. Great shooting!
See response to sniperM as i post about 7 pics of groups at 100 and 220 yds............Thanks...........Carl
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Thanks for jumping in, AnyTIME...........Your guns will reach out there now...........Difficult with getting the MOA needed....Also with energy being a lot less than powder the hits don't explode dust easily and need a good sized bare spot to spot WHERE THE ELEVATION is to spot the shots
Carl
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Yep, thats why my next purchase is some adjustable scope rings for the TD257. Then i will start playing more long range games.
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Thanks for posting the pictures of your groups along with the information on bullet weight. That's very helpful to those of us that are thinking about going to the .257 as well.
In your video I see the regulator you are tethered to. Can you post where you bought it from?
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Thanks Rifle50 for the response and the info. I am shooting a Condor with Dougs valve and a TJ 257 barrel and maddog stock and carbon bottle. Some days the gun and i will get along real good the next day just can not get it down to what I like. I have never shot tethered and would imagine that it could help out to keep each shoot close without the drop after 5-6 shoots. May give this a try and see what would change.Again thanks.
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Thanks Rifle50 for the response and the info. I am shooting a Condor with Dougs valve and a TJ 257 barrel and maddog stock and carbon bottle. Some days the gun and i will get along real good the next day just can not get it down to what I like. I have never shot tethered and would imagine that it could help out to keep each shoot close without the drop after 5-6 shoots. May give this a try and see what would change.Again thanks.
Guys,
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY. Same regs at both places. Its gold and black.
SniperM, YES SIR a regulator is really required. let me tell you from experience. I've had the gun tuned at 900 fps then about 975 then 1010 fps. I also had the OEM AF tank when the gun was at 900 fps and i only got 5 shots from a fill. Once you get into high 900's or 1000s fps, you need a regulator. I have a 868ci tank on my gun and i can get 10 good shots before things get into the lower mildots but the gun will actually continue to shoot forever believe it or not. The lower the pressure in my tank, the faster the valve opens and closes due to rebounding. But back to the point. With a reg shooting tethered, you should NOT have any more OFF days with your gun. Well, unless you are the one thats just off that day.......lol! With my power settings (speeds) and weight sorted bullets, and hooked up to a CF tank via the reg, my shoots hover between 1007-1012 fps and thats with bullets that are weight sorted between 70.0-70.9 grs. If i sort down to .5 grain weights, then the extreme spread is even less. If you anal, you can really get down to some small groups and small fps spreads by sorting slugs to the exact same weight. But that's a little tedious. .5 a grain is a much as i can tolerate and its good enough for me. Within 1 grain is what i do mostly and gets me through any adventure................
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Carl,
Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com. I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.
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Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY. Same regs at both places. Its gold and black.
I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay. But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay. Any idea of the website or company name?
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Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):
(http://i60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx_th.jpg) (http://oi60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx.jpg)
I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.
Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.
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Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):
(http://i60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx_th.jpg) (http://oi60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx.jpg)
I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.
Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.
Booster would be cool and I WANT ONE but yet again, its more stuff to spend more money on that i don't have.
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Hey Cedric I sent you an email.
Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):
(http://i60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx_th.jpg) (http://oi60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx.jpg)
I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.
Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.
Booster would be cool and I WANT ONE but yet again, its more stuff to spend more money on that i don't have.
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Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY. Same regs at both places. Its gold and black.
I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay. But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay. Any idea of the website or company name?
You have to search SCBA Regulators and not SCUBA regulators on Ebay.
Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f)
I already had the hoses and fitting also. JB is more expensive cause his comes with hoses and is fully complete and ready to go. the one on ebay isn't 100% set up. I bought off ebay
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Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY. Same regs at both places. Its gold and black.
I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay. But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay. Any idea of the website or company name?
You have to search SCBA Regulators and not SCUBA regulators on Ebay.
Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f)
I already had the hoses and fitting also. JB is more expensive cause his comes with hoses and is fully complete and ready to go. the one on ebay isn't 100% set up. I bought off ebay
HEY GUYS.....That one Cedric linked to is NOT WHAT YOU WANT.....LOOK CAREFULLY at bottom and scroll down to specs....It is for air TOOLS and such on OUTPUT.......It will take the pressure on the intake side but the OUT PUT is 0-400 psi MAX............
I use the BRANCATO REGULATOR and tank and yes NOT CHEAP but good quality....If you want $120 less this i found after i got mine http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/high-pressure-air-clamps-hoses-and-parts/high-pressure-fill-station-regulated-adjustable/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/high-pressure-air-clamps-hoses-and-parts/high-pressure-fill-station-regulated-adjustable/)
Carl
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Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY. Same regs at both places. Its gold and black.
I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay. But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay. Any idea of the website or company name?
You have to search SCBA Regulators and not SCUBA regulators on Ebay.
Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f)
I already had the hoses and fitting also. JB is more expensive cause his comes with hoses and is fully complete and ready to go. the one on ebay isn't 100% set up. I bought off ebay
HEY GUYS.....That one Cedric linked to is NOT WHAT YOU WANT.....LOOK CAREFULLY at bottom and scroll down to specs....It is for air TOOLS and such on OUTPUT.......It will take the pressure on the intake side but the OUT PUT is 0-400 psi MAX............
I use the BRANCATO REGULATOR and tank and yes NOT CHEAP but good quality....If you want $120 less this i found after i got mine http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/high-pressure-air-clamps-hoses-and-parts/high-pressure-fill-station-regulated-adjustable/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/high-pressure-air-clamps-hoses-and-parts/high-pressure-fill-station-regulated-adjustable/)
Carl
Good catch Carl. Still, the right reg on EBAY is the same as Joe B's. Same quality. Joes just comes COMPLETE with gauges and fitting and hoses.
Try this one then sirs. And if this 1 AINT it, then you guys can do your own googling.................lol!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Pressure-Regulator-6000-psi-paintball-scuba-scba-compressor-cng-415-6000-/171478252231?hash=item27ece67ac7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Pressure-Regulator-6000-psi-paintball-scuba-scba-compressor-cng-415-6000-/171478252231?hash=item27ece67ac7)
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Carl,
Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com. I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.
Cedric................I sent you an e-mail as per above request................Carl
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Thanks Rifle50 for the response and the info. I am shooting a Condor with Dougs valve and a TJ 257 barrel and maddog stock and carbon bottle. Some days the gun and i will get along real good the next day just can not get it down to what I like. I have never shot tethered and would imagine that it could help out to keep each shoot close without the drop after 5-6 shoots. May give this a try and see what would change.Again thanks.
My gun is somewhat same......Shoot very well then shoot bad groups..........DID LOT'S of work and is way better but the very good groups i posted, can start shooting 1.25" groups at 100 yds and nothing changed except size of group....
I have many molds and differing wts of bullets and size dies but doesn't seem to make much difference....I am beginning to THINK that all this attention to exact everyhing in sizing and wt is a waste of effort and time....I got a 90 gr mold.....in fact my WORLD RECORD 700 yd head shot i posted as the first shot hit and ram fell over.....Anyway won't mention mold maker publicly, but bullets were .002" out of round at base...100 yd testing shot very well at 3500 psi....I made several hundred and at 700 yds shot as good as the NOE 83 i made last video with..How can this BE.....002" out of round?? I have the NEW REPLACED MOLD BACK as of yesterday, and haven't cast yet.... Mold maker wrote back with the new mold and said a spindle bearing adjustment was loose and my mold WAS BAD but he replaced, as he requested it sent back and some cast bullets and i complied..... POINT IS at sub sonic speed some of the things we deem all important and i am of this thinking too, doesn't make a lot of difference shot real LOW SPEEDS??? In the opposite camp have shot PERFECT or close to bullets CAST and see no increase of BETTER????
NOW shooting my 6mm DASHER at 1000 yds the more perfect everything is, better chance of being competitive if read conditions well.......Imperfect bullet at 3000+ fps disaster for sure.......So the imperfect 90 lead bullet confuses me for sure......I will cast up some with new mold this weekend and test to see if I NOTICE DIFFERENCE at long range......
Carl
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Group i forgot about done recently at 100 yds with NEW NOE 62 gr fb..Bumped air 50# and average above 1100 fps.......Carl
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Thanks for posting the pictures of your groups along with the information on bullet weight. That's very helpful to those of us that are thinking about going to the .257 as well.
In your video I see the regulator you are tethered to. Can you post where you bought it from?
You are welcome.............Yes. a regulator is a MUST...Mine is from Joe Brancato and I also have his Great White Tank and armour package........Good Luck..................Carl
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rifle50
Great shooting! Can I ask... Is that NOE's mold PB or GC and which alloy You are using? Thanks
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This is absolutely bonkers, and extremely impressive. I understand the physics and ballistic considerations when dealing with an AG, and I really can't wrap my head around shooting that far with anything but a PB. Keep up the good work!
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Iam going to post I got my range out to 250yds so decide to give it a try this is the longest I have shot with the 257 Condor. This is with the 82gr FP on the Bipod and bag in the rear. The fill was 3400 and shot a three shot group. Its nothing great as compared to Rifle50 for sure hats off to him he is the man for sure. By doing this I found its really fun challenging and more in the future. Everything has to right each time. I had a wind coming in the SE at 12mph which is coming in about 60 degrees to my target also figured in. Anyway try not to laugh to hard I will work on this more and have alot learn about sub-sonic rounds for sure and tuning as well. I see a regulator in my near future as well and a adjustable front rest as well.
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Even if you never shot at 700 yards again, I bet shooting a few groups at the distance has already made you a better shooter at 100 - 300 ranges.
Great shooting sir.
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Carl,
Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com. I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.
Cedric................I sent you an e-mail as per above request................Carl
Thanks Carl.............got it!
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rifle50
Great shooting! Can I ask... Is that NOE's mold PB or GC and which alloy You are using? Thanks
The 83 grain NOE is PB.............20/1 lead to tin, and thanks for compliment............Carl
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This is absolutely bonkers, and extremely impressive. I understand the physics and ballistic considerations when dealing with an AG, and I really can't wrap my head around shooting that far with anything but a PB. Keep up the good work!
Thank You and will keep stretching it couple more times at least? I did do 800 yds same morning as this video was made...Used another lighter bullet and didn't have to remove scope and elevate the mount...Only had one hit on the steel and THOUGHT A LOT of the shots were high, but watching the video i could HEAR the thud of round hitting in grass SHORT and skidding into bank and kicking dirt i could see at the gun....I thought i was HIGH but was LOW.....Have to work on that and learning curve is really getting STEEP NOW out that far.....I need a backstop/bank a lot higher than maybe the 3' berm height?????That is ONLY area to see the HITS, Low or over berm and in grass and NO DIRT/DUST of strike visible...................Thanks for jumping in....................Carl
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Carl,
Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com. I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.
Cedric................I sent you an e-mail as per above request................Carl
Thanks Carl.............got it!
I sent a number of pictures as you asked. Please send me a link to the project when you add it.....Thanks........Carl
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Iam going to post I got my range out to 250yds so decide to give it a try this is the longest I have shot with the 257 Condor. This is with the 82gr FP on the Bipod and bag in the rear. The fill was 3400 and shot a three shot group. Its nothing great as compared to Rifle50 for sure hats off to him he is the man for sure. By doing this I found its really fun challenging and more in the future. Everything has to right each time. I had a wind coming in the SE at 12mph which is coming in about 60 degrees to my target also figured in. Anyway try not to laugh to hard I will work on this more and have alot learn about sub-sonic rounds for sure and tuning as well. I see a regulator in my near future as well and a adjustable front rest as well.
With 12 mph wind i have had groups bigger than yours. We don't have specific 200 yds but the back rail is 220 yds and i shoot there if not at 100 yd range.........With an 83 gr bullet, wind drift at 200 yds and 10 mph is 11.1". Wind is difficult to deal with but lots of practice helps............CHALLENGING WITH AIR is correct....But fun.....WOrk at it and have fun........GOOD LUCK...............Carl
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Just kinda chiming in here that for those that don't fully understand this, shooting this far is extremely hard. EXTREMELY! I don't and have never shot 1000 yard competition and this gentleman does. And he has said how hard this is. For me, shooting out to 400-500 yards is hard so i can ONLY imagine how much harder 200-300 ADDITONAL yards is.
Its funny too that, cause i shoot out to 400 yards often, im extremely comfortable shooting and hitting things at 200-300. And i don't mean POT SHOOTING or LOBBING. I mean doing it accurately. Eggs on golf tees at 200 yards accurate. At those ranges, the wind plays a big role. When you get to 400 yards +- with airguns, then wind is more punishing. And this plays on you mentally. PUSHING OUT TO 700 YARDS wind must make it seem like the targets are doing the "MATRIX" as the bullets whizzzzz by......lol!
I give Carl and Bluethunder much Kudos for even attempting these feats...........................
Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you..........
"Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you.........."
Cedric, do you have a decent place in the desert to see the HITS @ 700 yds?? :When have that and then the necessary elevation on the scope, you are there.......GOOD LUCK................Carl
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Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):
(http://i60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx_th.jpg) (http://oi60.tinypic.com/9ao6dx.jpg)
I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.
Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.
Approximately HOW MUCH did all the investment in assorted fittings, and the booster cost to get it like your picture?? Thanks ......Carl
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Approximately HOW MUCH did all the investment in assorted fittings, and the booster cost to get it like your picture?? Thanks ......Carl
Quite impossible to tell exactly but my approximation would be about 1200 euros. That includes booster, about 700, "welding regulator" about 200 euros and automation parts - valve, limit switches, fittings etc - about 150. Plus that other hoses, fittings etc. about 150. Own work doesn't count.
You know the price for tanks, my 200 bar working pressure tank is my own very old scuba tank, I used to dive younger. Booster is purchased from US, I think you know the price level there. I must pay a lot more due to freight and VAT plus customs. My HP regulator could be the same as yours, also from US, I paid about 750 euros for it.
It all costs and I have put a lot of money there, still think it have been worth it. Yet no money can buy hits on long range. I just thought shooters like you could benefit even much more than me of ability to take a lot more shots with so limited amount of air that we can carry along.
As I have it now, I would compare booster necessity to regulator. How could I ever game along without it ;D
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My gun is somewhat same......Shoot very well then shoot bad groups..........
I have noticed the same. Thats my gun too. Or then its me, bullets, planets, whatever...
This summer I shot once 12 oz cans at 300 meters, 3 in a row, one miss, fourth, one miss and fifth. Next day, nothing, everything was very hard. No groups to mention about. I've been thinking that a lot, is it me (could be), is it the gun (maybe), bullets, I don't know. Planets - I don't believe that kind of rubbish, but have thinking that often. Wish I knew.
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Approximately HOW MUCH did all the investment in assorted fittings, and the booster cost to get it like your picture?? Thanks ......Carl
Quite impossible to tell exactly but my approximation would be about 1200 euros. That includes booster, about 700, "welding regulator" about 200 euros and automation parts - valve, limit switches, fittings etc - about 150. Plus that other hoses, fittings etc. about 150. Own work doesn't count.
You know the price for tanks, my 200 bar working pressure tank is my own very old scuba tank, I used to dive younger. Booster is purchased from US, I think you know the price level there. I must pay a lot more due to freight and VAT plus customs. My HP regulator could be the same as yours, also from US, I paid about 750 euros for it.
It all costs and I have put a lot of money there, still think it have been worth it. Yet no money can buy hits on long range. I just thought shooters like you could benefit even much more than me of ability to take a lot more shots with so limited amount of air that we can carry along.
As I have it now, I would compare booster necessity to regulator. How could I ever game along without it ;D
TPL-Thanks for the info.....Yes you have TIME AND MONEY in that BOOSTER set-up.........Impressive....I USUALLY shoot at around 3500 psi and out of my 97 cu ft tank, i can easily get over 150 shots and since i am usually DONE with all that shooting, I estimate i COULD GET around 200 shots......IF plinking with 62 gr slugs and 3250 psi for around 1100 fps don't know how many shots then? (Maybe 225?) Point is, i am done for the day with just a single tank of air...When shooting at really long range i have to go to range that is 70 mi from home and feel comfortable that i have enough AIR to shoot all i want that day and head home...Only time i haven't had enough air is when O ring leaked......At home while unloading all my equipment, I put Tank on my compressor and it will give me 100 psi per minute and is full at 10-15 min depending how much draw down, and I pump tank to 5000 psi........For me just targets a booster not needed but for those who go out of state prairie dog shooting it would be great......Have an INVERTOR and BOOST where ever?
Thanks for posting.............Carl
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Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.
It looks to me that he is set up to keep his pressures at maximum or a targeted set shot to shot.. very nice actually in my opinion. ;D