700 yds on Steel-Noe 83 gr

[rifle50]

Hi All,

Went to Coalinga Ca yesterday on their 1000 yd range, 8/17/15...Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases . Had 12, hits but new video camera SHUTS down AUTOMATICALLY so have only 6 hits on video captured, with couple shots in dirt. Turn camera on, get in car and drive the 700 yds back, get on gun, shoot test shots way right to see that NOT COMING CLOSE to camera and carbon tripod.....Anyway i run out of time camera runs before AUTO OFF....SETTINGS show nothing how to change...Have inquiry to canon to see if possible even....Include a still pic of the 12 hits....Actually on VIDEO the 3rd hit didn't leave a black mark but skimmed belly with a ding but skidded into dirt....Bullets shattered and pic is them completely compressed as still enough energy at 700 yds..Recovered the thin hit and it halved bullet length wise...It is 11 o'clock in bullet pic.
On video's click low right corner to view FULL SCREEN and turn sound up to hear the CRACK of that bullet energy STILL AT 700 yds.

1 min video 700 yds

World Record 700 yd shot done 2 weeks ago= 16 sec VIDEO... Ram fell down first hit and battery dead so no more that day

Zoomed 700 yd distance of RAM 1 min VIDEO

Some bullet fragments were found 25 ft away, back towards gun..WOW what impact. This gun keeps surprising me

Thanks for watching and inquries welcome.............Carl

Bottom pic is looking at 1000 yds number boards....At 200 yd  line in middle barely see white ram, 800 yds away..

[Gippeto]

Hi All,

Went to Coalinga Ca yesterday on their 1000 yd range, 8/17/15...Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases .

I'm confused by that...were you shooting at 300 yds or 700 yds actual range?

Al

[rifle50]

Hi All,

Went to Coalinga Ca yesterday on their 1000 yd range, 8/17/15...Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases .

I'm confused by that...were you shooting at 300 yds or 700 yds actual range?

Al

Sorry for confusion...On a 1000 yd range, there are shooting berms/lines starting CLOSEST TO TARGET/PITS. 100, 200, 300, 500, 600, 800, 900, 1000 yds. I am set up at the full 1000 yd range and my target is set on the 300 yd shooting line/berm ...From my shooting position, target is 700 yds away....Notice in the video the LARGE PLYWOOD shooting position markers at the PITS, is 300 yds BEHIND the RAM TARGET..........Watch the zoom video and see  just how far the target is away from the gun............thanks for watching................Carl

[dcorvino]

Great shooting Sir.
What rifle did you use, and any idea how fast the slug was going when it hit?
I look forward to seeing more of your long distance videos

Dave

[bluethunder]

I too have shot 2 outings at 700 yards. One was semi successful the other was a dismal failure. On the successful outing I used my .30 cal. 165 gr. RCBS Silhouette bullet that has been modified by modified by Mr.Ohlen to remove the gas check shank and he increased the rear driving band by .002" inches. This bullet shoots pretty good. I have set my new 300 ten shot record group with this bullet at 5.1" inches. My muzzle velocity is only 860 fps. So to reach 700 yards I needed 192 minutes of angle dialed into the Cold Shot scope base. The Cold Shot elevates the rear of the scope so as the rear of the scope lifts up the front of the scope points lower. It was so bad at 192 MOA that I was seeing my own air stripper in the field of view. I had to remove the air stripper to even see my target. My best outing struck my 45" X 45" target board 8 out of 10 shots. Spotting at Rayner's range can be really difficult due to grass that just swallows up bullets. Although I have little problem spotting high power bullets flying through the air I have had little success spotting air rifle bullets in the air. I'm not sure why? The other issue that is unavoidable is the incredible effect of the wind on the low velocity, low ballistic coefficient bullets. My wind drift at 700 yards is a whopping 93" inches of wind drift with a 10 mph cross wind. Even an undetectable 1 mph change in wind velocity at 700 yards moves my bullet 9.3 inches. So unless we are shooting in a vacuum, long range with air rifles is always going to be dictated by the luck of the wind that you encounter on any particular day. In Ohio, the wind can change in both direction and velocity by significant amounts in the same shot string! This makes tight groups impossible. But like Charlie Brown, I'm sure I'll try again.

[rifle50]

Great shooting Sir.
What rifle did you use, and any idea how fast the slug was going when it hit?
I look forward to seeing more of your long distance videos

Dave

Rifle is my custom .257 CONDOR..ONLY FRAME and BREACH is a stock part, and trigger...All else is custom....Search my other posts and i have pics posted of it it on some of them.....I also explained the parts ordered and  all..........Main power is the DYOTAT VALVE...Without that it is just an airgun......The Noe 83 start around 1000 fps and the charts say at 700 yds, 586 fps, using MY calculated B.C. of .168. NOE estimates .188 but  was lower for me.........Carl

[Tofazfou]

GREAT SHOOTING CARL.  You estimated BC and retained speed just might be pretty much correct.  Looking at the bullet fragments, they say that when lead hits a target and it remains flattened but WHOLE, the impact speed is roughly 600 FPS!  Any faster and they fragment.  I don't know the exact speed this happens but i've tested it and it appears to be true.........

Keep up the fantastic work.

And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed?  And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol!  ARRRRRRRRRGH!  This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)

[rifle50]

I too have shot 2 outings at 700 yards. One was semi successful the other was a dismal failure. On the successful outing I used my .30 cal. 165 gr. RCBS Silhouette bullet that has been modified by modified by Mr.Ohlen to remove the gas check shank and he increased the rear driving band by .002" inches. This bullet shoots pretty good. I have set my new 300 ten shot record group with this bullet at 5.1" inches. My muzzle velocity is only 860 fps. So to reach 700 yards I needed 192 minutes of angle dialed into the Cold Shot scope base. The Cold Shot elevates the rear of the scope so as the rear of the scope lifts up the front of the scope points lower. It was so bad at 192 MOA that I was seeing my own air stripper in the field of view. I had to remove the air stripper to even see my target. My best outing struck my 45" X 45" target board 8 out of 10 shots. Spotting at Rayner's range can be really difficult due to grass that just swallows up bullets. Although I have little problem spotting high power bullets flying through the air I have had little success spotting air rifle bullets in the air. I'm not sure why? The other issue that is unavoidable is the incredible effect of the wind on the low velocity, low ballistic coefficient bullets. My wind drift at 700 yards is a whopping 93" inches of wind drift with a 10 mph cross wind. Even an undetectable 1 mph change in wind velocity at 700 yards moves my bullet 9.3 inches. So unless we are shooting in a vacuum, long range with air rifles is always going to be dictated by the luck of the wind that you encounter on any particular day. In Ohio, the wind can change in both direction and velocity by significant amounts in the same shot string! This makes tight groups impossible. But like Charlie Brown, I'm sure I'll try again.

I have shot 700 yds 3 different times now over 3+ weeks.......I know how the increased scope rail tilt can be a problem...I didn't spend the $400 for the Cold Shot MOA RAIL...I use a HAWKE for $22 that does the same thing except you have to remove scope to increase...But is easy and i can do for the range wanted that day in 5 min now. I have measurements of screw protrusion so get in area quickly for needed range.........I am close to seeing the air stripper but not yet.

That ram meant for 500 meters is getting smaller as i keep moving it further... It is 13" high, belly to back. 30" wide, chest to butt............Elevation inconsistency is the hardest thing right now. I need a taller target, really ......I shot yesterday at 800 yds too,  with the Lyman 71 grain and only needed 158 moa at 800 yds, while the Noe on Video needed 160 moa at 700 yds....I need a little larger target to see the elevation shot to shot changes? Only got one on steel and looking at the video a LOT of shots hear hit behind the camera and skip into the bank HIGH.. So on the gun i aimed lower or bottom of RAM and couldn't see where hits were as low and high not much room bare dirt and as you, weeds eat up shot....So then i raise up TO MUCH and over the bank and don't know where they hit either....There is a really tall cut out mountain for the backstop at 1000 yd range of alkali...But it is 1050 yds from the bench and i don't want to lay prone on  800 yd line...Also don't want to get a solid pipe leg sturdy bench portable and set up that way but i COULD SEE the strikes on dry  dirt??? When i get to where scope rail sees muzzle i will quit extending the distance as i WON'T build a really  raised high mount to get more elevation as the airgun at this range is not really good for anything....To hit anything have to know EXACT DISTANCE and anything a few yards fore or aft will be a LARGE MISS.......GOOD LUCK in your endevours.....................Carl

I totally understand the need to see bullets HIT and  kick dust.....They DON'T have the speed/energy of POWDER LOADS and much more difficult to find.......Also the WIND DOES BLOW in CA TOO!!

[rifle50]

GREAT SHOOTING CARL.  You estimated BC and retained speed just might be pretty much correct.  Looking at the bullet fragments, they say that when lead hits a target and it remains flattened but WHOLE, the impact speed is roughly 600 FPS!  Any faster and they fragment.  I don't know the exact speed this happens but i've tested it and it appears to be true.........

Keep up the fantastic work.

And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed?  And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol!  ARRRRRRRRRGH!  This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)

Thanks Cedric....Before up to 600 yds all i found were TINY SHINY SPECS of bullets as they fragmented to almost DUST....700 yds were the first yesterday to find mushroomed fragments as pictured........So your figures mentioned seem to fit?

The B.C. I used were from shooting at muzzle and 50 yds a week or so ago and input figures into the B.C. Calculator... Noe on their diagrams for bullet give estimate of .188... My average of 6 or 7 shots of several bullets lowered that figure to .168 in actual shooting.

I did hear back this afternoon from Canon..They say camera will shut off when 4 gb of data are loaded...MODE was FULL HD at 1920 resolution  so stacked up fast..I lowered it to 1280 HD just now, and will probably give me enough time MAYBE to get a decent string on VIDEO?  If not Tech said to lower rez to 640 and get over 1 hr of continuous recording. Good info the book didn't explain............Next time out will have MORE TIME to get better storage of hits on target, OR NOT  Had the dozen yesterday and camera OFF

I explained in above answer to BlueThunder i DID extend to 800 yds yesterday....Will send to DOUG but have it on PRIVATE for youtube as not ready for publish as yet that video...But gun will kick up DIRT at 800 yds and still hits ....Will send link to Doug now, so he can access the private file.......He can send it to you but don't want public yet. Want a better one...........Later Cedric..................Carl

[sixshootertexan]

Speechless.

[rsterne]

BC changes with velocity, unless your bullet matches the G1 drag model perfectly (highly unlikely).... Unless you know what velocity NOE measured their BC at, you are comparing apples and oranges.... Both numbers could be correct if they were determined at different velocities....

Bob

[ToRmEnToR]

And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed?  And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol!  ARRRRRRRRRGH!  This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)

I did hear back this afternoon from Canon..They say camera will shut off when 4 gb of data are loaded...MODE was FULL HD at 1920 resolution  so stacked up fast..I lowered it to 1280 HD just now, and will probably give me enough time MAYBE to get a decent string on VIDEO?  If not Tech said to lower rez to 640 and get over 1 hr of continuous recording. Good info the book didn't explain............Next time out will have MORE TIME to get better storage of hits on target, OR NOT  Had the dozen yesterday and camera OFF

Hey.. Awesome as usual.. That distance is getting to be extreme.. Call Guinness!!

If uploading to U tube.. Use 1080, or 720, as that's usually as much as people use nowadays..

[jimreed1948]

Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.

I'm not quite following this.  So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct?  This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?

That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away.  In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards?  No it isn't.

Take note of what Cedric is shooting.  He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.

If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance.  I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.

[sixshootertexan]

What He is saying is the target is 300yds from the 1000yds targets. His is on the firing line of the 1000yds targets.

[jimreed1948]

What He is saying is the target is 300yds from the 1000yds targets. His is on the firing line of the 1000yds targets.

Then I stand corrected.  I'm still confused for some reason.  Maybe it's the way he describes it.  Even on the video he states; "I have a 500 meter ram set at 700 yards.  It's on the 300 yard berm at the 1000 yard range."  I can see on the video that the berm he's talking about is closer to the target line .  Thanks for clearly this up.
Very impressive shooting.

[ancient1one]

Hitting that ram at 700 yards with an airgun is just crazy. Excellent long distance air rifle build. Awesome shooting.

Its hard to believe how far airguns have come in the last few years.

[rifle50]

BC changes with velocity, unless your bullet matches the G1 drag model perfectly (highly unlikely).... Unless you know what velocity NOE measured their BC at, you are comparing apples and oranges.... Both numbers could be correct if they were determined at different velocities....

Bob

I understand that BOB. Cedric responded to me with my estimated B.C. and i said i actually chronoed at 50 yds and inputed to the JBM, and it calculated that NOE on that day at speed i shot it at to be .168 BC.. I just mentioned Noe estimate. I am ONLY concerned what it is DOING for me at any given moment at the speed I SHOOT.  Thanks........Carl

[rifle50]

And yeah, dontcha just hate when you do all that driving or walking out to distance, starting the camera, do some great shooting and the "dang" friggen camera turns off cause too much time has lapsed?  And you don't find out till you either REview it on the camera or like me, WHEN YOU GET HOME THAT NIGHT.......lol!  ARRRRRRRRRGH!  This part really not worthy about long range shooting (camera dying during filming\shooting)

I did hear back this afternoon from Canon..They say camera will shut off when 4 gb of data are loaded...MODE was FULL HD at 1920 resolution  so stacked up fast..I lowered it to 1280 HD just now, and will probably give me enough time MAYBE to get a decent string on VIDEO?  If not Tech said to lower rez to 640 and get over 1 hr of continuous recording. Good info the book didn't explain............Next time out will have MORE TIME to get better storage of hits on target, OR NOT  Had the dozen yesterday and camera OFF

Hey.. Awesome as usual.. That distance is getting to be extreme.. Call Guinness!!

If uploading to U tube.. Use 1080, or 720, as that's usually as much as people use nowadays..

My camera will ONLY record in 1920, 1280, 640 resolution.........It was in  1920 and to much info filling card......I downsized to 1280 and will probably give a good relay and time.....If not will reduce to 640......Carl

[rifle50]

Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.

I'm not quite following this.  So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct?  This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?

That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away.  In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards?  No it isn't.

Take note of what Cedric is shooting.  He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.

If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance.  I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.

The SHOT WAS posted at the TRUE SHOOTING DISTANCE...700 yds......If you would READ the first poster GIPPETO was confused and i explained in DETAIL what a 1000 yd range WAS and the berm placing starting at the 100 yd all way back to 1000 yard benches. SIXSHOOTERTEXAN then explained it to you again....It is NOT A REDUCE SIZE RAM.....It is the 500 meter FULL SIZED RAM but when shooting it at 700 yds it is same size, but the increased DISTANCE MAKES IT LOOK SMALLER from the gun...My title is correct...Shooting from the 1000 yd benches and target placed upon the 300 yd berm, that is 700 yds TO THAT BERM......I also placed RAM on the 200 yd berm which is 800 yds from the gun....Obviously you don't shoot long range and don't understand what one looks like? .........I shoot F-Class with Powder to 1000 yds and these ranges are quite simple....If you also looked at the ZOOMED VIDEO showing gun and OUT TO THE RAM and you would see how far it really is.................Anyway it is way out there.....Go back and read my post to GIPPETO and quite clear to me anyway...........Thanks for replying...........Carl 

[SniperM]

Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.