700 yds on Steel-Noe 83 gr

[rifle50]

Carl,

Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com.  I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.

Cedric................I sent you an e-mail as per above request................Carl

[rifle50]

Thanks Rifle50 for the response and the info. I am shooting a Condor with Dougs valve and a TJ 257 barrel and maddog stock and carbon bottle. Some days the gun and i will get along real good the next day just can not get it down to what I like. I have never shot tethered and would imagine that it could help out to keep each shoot close  without the drop after 5-6 shoots. May give this a try and see what would change.Again thanks.

My gun is somewhat same......Shoot very well then shoot bad groups..........DID LOT'S of work and is way better but the  very good groups i posted, can start shooting 1.25" groups at 100 yds and nothing changed except size of group....

I have many molds and differing wts of bullets and size dies but doesn't seem to make much difference....I am beginning to THINK that all this attention to exact everyhing in sizing and wt is a waste of effort and time....I got a 90 gr mold.....in fact my WORLD RECORD 700 yd head shot i posted as the first shot hit and ram fell over.....Anyway won't mention mold maker publicly, but bullets were .002" out of round at base...100 yd testing shot very well at 3500 psi....I made several hundred and at 700 yds shot as good as the NOE 83 i made last video with..How can this BE.....002" out of round??  I have the NEW REPLACED MOLD BACK as of yesterday, and haven't cast yet.... Mold maker wrote back with the new mold and said a spindle bearing adjustment was loose and my mold WAS BAD but he replaced, as he requested it sent back and some cast bullets and i complied..... POINT IS at sub sonic speed some of the things we deem all important and i am of this thinking too, doesn't make a lot of difference shot real LOW SPEEDS???  In the opposite camp have shot PERFECT or close to bullets CAST and see no increase of BETTER?

NOW shooting my 6mm DASHER at 1000 yds the more perfect everything is, better chance of being competitive if read conditions well.......Imperfect bullet at 3000+ fps disaster for sure.......So the imperfect 90 lead bullet confuses me for sure......I will cast up some with new mold this weekend and test to see if I NOTICE DIFFERENCE at long range......

Carl

[rifle50]

Group i forgot about done recently at 100 yds with NEW NOE 62 gr fb..Bumped air 50# and average above 1100 fps.......Carl

[rifle50]

Thanks for posting the pictures of your groups along with the information on bullet weight.  That's very helpful to those of us that are thinking about going to the .257 as well.

In your video I see the regulator you are tethered to.  Can you post where you bought it from?

You are welcome.............Yes. a regulator is a MUST...Mine is from Joe Brancato and I also have his Great White Tank and armour package........Good Luck..................Carl

[rintafile]

rifle50

Great shooting! Can I ask... Is that NOE's mold PB or GC and which alloy You are using? Thanks

[LeadBreakfast]

This is absolutely bonkers, and extremely impressive. I understand the physics and ballistic considerations when dealing with an AG, and I really can't wrap my head around shooting that far with anything but a PB. Keep up the good work!

[SniperM]

Iam going to post I got my range out to 250yds so decide to give it a try this is the longest I have shot with the 257 Condor. This is  with the 82gr FP on the Bipod and bag in the rear. The fill was 3400 and shot a three shot group. Its nothing great as compared to Rifle50 for sure hats off to him he is the man for sure. By doing this I found its really fun challenging and more in the future. Everything has to right  each time. I had a wind coming in the SE at 12mph which is coming in about 60 degrees to my target  also figured in. Anyway try not to laugh to hard I will work on this more and have alot learn about sub-sonic rounds for sure and tuning as well. I see a regulator in my near future as well and a adjustable front rest as well.

[Tater]

Even if you never shot at 700 yards again, I bet shooting a few groups at the distance has already made you a better shooter at 100 - 300 ranges.
Great shooting sir.

[Tofazfou]

Carl,

Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com.  I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.

Cedric................I sent you an e-mail as per above request................Carl

Thanks Carl.............got it!

[rifle50]

rifle50

Great shooting! Can I ask... Is that NOE's mold PB or GC and which alloy You are using? Thanks

The 83 grain NOE is PB.............20/1 lead to tin, and thanks for compliment............Carl

[rifle50]

This is absolutely bonkers, and extremely impressive. I understand the physics and ballistic considerations when dealing with an AG, and I really can't wrap my head around shooting that far with anything but a PB. Keep up the good work!

Thank You and will keep stretching it couple more times at least?  I did do 800 yds same morning as this video was made...Used another lighter bullet and didn't have to remove scope and elevate the mount...Only had one hit on the steel and THOUGHT A LOT of the shots were high, but watching the video i could HEAR the thud of round hitting in grass SHORT and skidding into bank and kicking dirt i could see at the gun....I thought i was HIGH but was LOW.....Have to work on that and learning curve is really getting STEEP NOW out that far.....I need a backstop/bank a lot higher than maybe the 3' berm height??That is ONLY area to see the HITS, Low or over berm and in grass and NO DIRT/DUST of strike visible...................Thanks for jumping in....................Carl   

[rifle50]

Carl,

Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com.  I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.

Cedric................I sent you an e-mail as per above request................Carl

Thanks Carl.............got it!

I sent a number of pictures as you asked. Please send me a link to the project when you add it.....Thanks........Carl

[rifle50]

Iam going to post I got my range out to 250yds so decide to give it a try this is the longest I have shot with the 257 Condor. This is  with the 82gr FP on the Bipod and bag in the rear. The fill was 3400 and shot a three shot group. Its nothing great as compared to Rifle50 for sure hats off to him he is the man for sure. By doing this I found its really fun challenging and more in the future. Everything has to right  each time. I had a wind coming in the SE at 12mph which is coming in about 60 degrees to my target  also figured in. Anyway try not to laugh to hard I will work on this more and have alot learn about sub-sonic rounds for sure and tuning as well. I see a regulator in my near future as well and a adjustable front rest as well.

With 12 mph wind i have had groups bigger than yours. We don't have specific 200 yds but the back rail is 220 yds and i shoot there if not at 100 yd range.........With an 83 gr bullet, wind drift at 200 yds and 10 mph  is 11.1".  Wind is difficult to deal with but lots of practice helps............CHALLENGING WITH AIR is correct....But fun.....WOrk at it and have fun........GOOD LUCK...............Carl

[rifle50]

Just kinda chiming in here that for those that don't fully understand this, shooting this far is extremely hard.  EXTREMELY!  I don't and have never shot 1000 yard competition and this gentleman does.  And he has said how hard this is.  For me, shooting out to 400-500 yards is hard so i can ONLY imagine how much harder 200-300 ADDITONAL yards is.

Its funny too that, cause i shoot out to 400 yards often, im extremely comfortable shooting and hitting things at 200-300.  And i don't mean POT SHOOTING or LOBBING.  I mean doing it accurately.  Eggs on golf tees at 200 yards accurate.  At those ranges, the wind plays a big role.  When you get to 400 yards +- with airguns, then wind is more punishing.  And this plays on you mentally.  PUSHING OUT TO 700 YARDS wind must make it seem like the targets are doing the "MATRIX" as the bullets whizzzzz by......lol!

I give Carl and Bluethunder much Kudos for even attempting these feats...........................

Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you..........

"Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you.........."

Cedric, do you have a decent place in the desert to see the HITS @ 700 yds?? :When have that and then the necessary elevation on the scope, you are there.......GOOD LUCK................Carl

[rifle50]

Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):



I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.

Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.

Approximately HOW MUCH did all the investment in assorted fittings, and the  booster cost to get it like your picture??   Thanks ......Carl

[TPL]

Approximately HOW MUCH did all the investment in assorted fittings, and the  booster cost to get it like your picture??   Thanks ......Carl

Quite impossible to tell exactly but my approximation would be about 1200 euros. That includes booster, about 700, "welding regulator" about 200 euros and automation parts - valve, limit switches, fittings etc - about 150. Plus that other hoses, fittings etc. about 150. Own work doesn't count.

You know the price for tanks, my 200 bar working pressure tank is my own very old scuba tank, I used to dive younger. Booster is purchased from US, I think you know the price level there. I must pay a lot more due to freight and VAT plus customs. My HP regulator could be the same as yours, also from US, I paid about 750 euros for it.

It all costs and I have put a lot of money there, still think it have been worth it. Yet no money can buy hits on long range. I just thought shooters like you could benefit even much more than me of ability to take a lot more shots with so limited amount of air that we can carry along.

As I have it now, I would compare booster necessity to regulator. How could I ever game along without it 

[TPL]

My gun is somewhat same......Shoot very well then shoot bad groups..........

I have noticed the same. Thats my gun too. Or then its me, bullets, planets, whatever...

This summer I shot once 12 oz cans at 300 meters, 3 in a row, one miss, fourth, one miss and fifth. Next day, nothing, everything was very hard. No groups to mention about. I've been thinking that a lot, is it me (could be), is it the gun (maybe), bullets, I don't know. Planets - I don't believe that kind of rubbish, but have thinking that often. Wish I knew.

[rifle50]

Approximately HOW MUCH did all the investment in assorted fittings, and the  booster cost to get it like your picture??   Thanks ......Carl

Quite impossible to tell exactly but my approximation would be about 1200 euros. That includes booster, about 700, "welding regulator" about 200 euros and automation parts - valve, limit switches, fittings etc - about 150. Plus that other hoses, fittings etc. about 150. Own work doesn't count.

You know the price for tanks, my 200 bar working pressure tank is my own very old scuba tank, I used to dive younger. Booster is purchased from US, I think you know the price level there. I must pay a lot more due to freight and VAT plus customs. My HP regulator could be the same as yours, also from US, I paid about 750 euros for it.

It all costs and I have put a lot of money there, still think it have been worth it. Yet no money can buy hits on long range. I just thought shooters like you could benefit even much more than me of ability to take a lot more shots with so limited amount of air that we can carry along.

As I have it now, I would compare booster necessity to regulator. How could I ever game along without it 

TPL-Thanks for the  info.....Yes you have TIME AND MONEY in that BOOSTER set-up.........Impressive....I USUALLY shoot at around 3500 psi and out of my 97 cu ft tank, i can easily get over 150 shots and since i am usually DONE with all that shooting, I estimate i COULD GET around 200 shots......IF plinking with 62 gr slugs and 3250 psi for around 1100 fps don't know how many shots then? (Maybe 225?) Point is, i am done for the day with just a single tank of air...When shooting at really long range i have to go to range that is 70 mi from home and feel comfortable that i have enough AIR to shoot all i want that day and head home...Only time i haven't had enough air is when O ring leaked......At home while unloading all my equipment, I put Tank on my compressor and it will give me 100 psi per minute and is full at 10-15 min depending how much draw down, and I pump tank to 5000 psi........For me just targets a booster not needed but for those who go out of state prairie dog shooting it would be great......Have an INVERTOR and BOOST where ever?

Thanks for posting.............Carl

[Rattus58]

Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.

It looks to me that he is set up to keep his pressures at maximum or a targeted set shot to shot.. very nice actually in my opinion.