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Airguns by Make and Model => AirForce Airguns => Topic started by: supertech77 on July 18, 2015, 02:30:27 PM
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waiting on my new Texan to come in today,,,,, hope its worth the wait, made a bunch of 340gr/457 slugs and 195/458 gr, to try out,that 195 was recommended to me by accurate mold for my evanix sniper 45,to fit the magazine ,it does just right,but were sized down to 454,for it,will see,come on Texan. ;D
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Congratulations on the Texan.
I hope it gets there soon, look forward to your review on it.
Dave
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got it 4pm, drove 100 miles to cabin,rained most the way, got to cabin 715pm Saturday,assembled tank onto texan, and scope,and by-pod,left ldc off,once i figured out how to install tank properly,and tighten with spanner wrench,charged tank,3k, loaded 340 grain bullet/slug into chamber,smooth lever,and easy loading,pushed safety off and aimed at 6 inch pine tree to see if i was vertical straight with scope, at 20 yards shot center tree,went threw tree knocked down 2inch tree be hind 6 inch tree, then 6 inch tree fell,wow, Sunday 10 am,rained all night and early morning,when rain stopped, set up big box 40 yards reading on range finder,aimed at center, shot 7 inch high 1/2 inch right, second shot went in same hole as first from center of box,adjusted scope as far as would go, shot again, now is only 4 inches high at 40 yards,need smaller height rings ,dove tail, need to remove the weaver to 11 mm adapter, and use dove tail 30 mm low profile
rings should be perfect,did not crony yet,not sunny today,over all, shot some can,s out to 75 yards with both the 340 gr/457 and the 195 gr,both are very accurate,this gun is all 5 star as far as i am concerned,will crony next weekend weather permitting, got no shades for my crony, so its a sunny day crony only now,shot the 909,s and evanix sniper,too, but by far the Texan is way easier to shoot, is quieter than both with out the ldc,way more powerful,and loads so smooth ans easy,i thought that big cocking arm was gonna be strange, but its not, and it is very easy to open,and shut,and loads fast,have not messed with the power/bullet adjuster yet,next time, when i get some lower rings,gun is all it was claimed to be .IMO, even more so.its light as my yang,48 inches long, but not really a dis comfort,well worth the price,well built.
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The Texan sounds great.
I enjoyed reading your post and look forward to reading more on your review of the Texan.
Dave
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Very interested in your report and comparison to other .45 you have!
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So even being longer it handles better than a 909?
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i don,t know if handle,s better would be what i would say, handle,s different, have not carried it in the woods,yet,gonna look into a sling,i will say, it loads and shoots so much smoother,i can load and shoot it much faster than i can a 909,kick is so much less,that could be from length,is lighter than my 909,or balanced better ,anyway,this air gun is more fun to shoot than all my other air guns,can't put my finger on why, maybe because its new to me,but i think its {over all the way the feels shoots,loads,and its not as loud as my 909's my evanix 45,sniper,from the bench and shooting tri-pod you can leave the gun at your shoulder and reload with out loosing down range site of target,one hand operation to reload,there,s no doubt weather the breach is closed, its rock solid and easy,gun is quite, shake it there's no rattle of anything,now lee, i love my 909, and all my big bore's,this is my first air force air gun,other than the high rise of the breach rail,i like the product a lot, now for sure time and use of the gun will seal the deal ,my 909, have proved there worth and value ,over time,the evanix is still in progress,but so far very impressed ,though it,s use is limited, its heavy,and not as powerful as a 909 [stock],but is a great bench gun,all i can say is in order to understand the the Texan,s attraction ,you need to shoot one,now for the funny part, as i was at my cabin, installing the tank on the Texan,on the porch of my cabin, i see something move out the corner of my eye, i turn my head and not 15 feet from me walk 2 large deer look at me as there walking by like, whats up dude, and walk right on buy go to my feeder, kick it and just eat away,i was like, really,kinda just laughed and kept working on the gun,my pay back was once i got it all charge up and loaded,and shot the tree 20 yards away, they like froze looked at me then at one another,and bolted [flagged me off],,
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lol.. Thinking bout one of those.. Thinking that I could just keep using the .457 ammo that I use on My Yanger..
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lol.. Thinking bout one of those.. Thinking that I could just keep using the .457 ammo that I use on My Yanger..
for sure,
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Howdy from Texas! And congrats on the Texan!!!
I think you will find that you will want to stick with high rings on it. Sounds like you need to try and switch the rings around, and possibly shim them. Simply putting lower rings (apx. 1/8") isn't going to change POI in any noticeable amount.
The shaded are for the sunny days. Not the cloudy days LOL! The chrony should do just fine in overcast conditions. It's bright sun light that gives them fits.
How's the trigger? May be they have made improvements. The AF Guns can be made to be stellar performers. Waiting for them to offer the Texan in a smaller cal. 45 is just too big for anything I or most shooters could use it for. Perhaps more States will eventually see the light and allow us to use the AG's in the Deer woods.
Once again, a Big Congrats!!!
Knife
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thank KnifeMaker, the trigger is nice, compared to all my other guns.and it was not the height of the rings, but the combined height with the weaver to dovetail together, once i removed that and used 1 inch high rings,now is much more comfortable for me with a better line of sight picture,,and it looks better,will see next time i go to my land and shoot it.
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Pictures brother, Pictures :)
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yeah i know, next time i get to shoot it, i was just excited to shoot it and was running out of time,i am still learning this smarter than me cell phone, but i think i got it figured out,i want to video it while i crony it and shoot some stuff down range,this gun is awesome manny,i know your not a air force fan, but i wish you could do a review on one of these,the sheer power is like WOW :o, :o its not as loud as the rainstorm or the sniper,just a bit above a my m-rod,but i will get some pic,s/video,,even if i gotta buy a gopro.
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yeah i know, next time i get to shoot it, i was just excited to shoot it and was running out of time,i am still learning this smarter than me cell phone, but i think i got it figured out,i want to video it while i crony it and shoot some stuff down range,this gun is awesome manny,i know your not a air force fan, but i wish you could do a review on one of these,the sheer power is like WOW :o, :o its not as loud as the rainstorm or the sniper,just a bit above a my m-rod,but i will get some pic,s/video,,even if i gotta buy a gopro.
Really, it's that quiet? I'm loving all the talk about this gun!
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I'm loving all the talk about this gun!
Yup, me too. I especially appreciate the fact, as with Manny's reviews, you can create a comparitive analysis.
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yeah i know, next time i get to shoot it, i was just excited to shoot it and was running out of time,i am still learning this smarter than me cell phone, but i think i got it figured out,i want to video it while i crony it and shoot some stuff down range,this gun is awesome manny,i know your not a air force fan, but i wish you could do a review on one of these,the sheer power is like WOW :o, :o its not as loud as the rainstorm or the sniper,just a bit above a my m-rod,but i will get some pic,s/video,,even if i gotta buy a gopro.
Really, it's that quiet? I'm loving all the talk about this gun!
with 195 gr and 340 grain it is that quite, usually i wear ear phones but this time i didn't, the yang hurt my ears,the sniper did as well, but not the Texan, nor the rainstorm,but could tell it was louder,as also with the 201 fire,louder than the Texan. can.t wait to hear what it sounds like with the lcd,got it but have not tried it,
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How long will it be with the ldc?
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48 + length of LDC,mine is 11 inches long,I probably will not use one on it,
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Pictures, my good man. We need pictures
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I have had my Texan for about 2 months now and love it. It has so much power and is very accurate. I made up some 385 grain boat-tails that shot great at 100 yards. I chrono'd at 745 fps. It is loud and kicks like a firearm, but that is the fun of this gun. I have a Hawke tactical 6-20x44 on it which is a great combo.
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Yeah, pictures! Specially from the valve and breach area. ;)
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There is on guy from Finland who is getting that Texas maybe he will let You take a quick peak at inside ;D
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Let's hope so. I'm picking up my lw 45-70 900mm barrel blank today would be fun to build my version of the tex, as I did of the condor.
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Well finally You get it. Hope You get it build for this season...
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I ordered a 385.45
8 bbt mold from accurate mold,so its real loud with them?cause its not real loud to me with 340 gr,compared to my other 45 cal pcp
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Would be very interesting to see velocity numbers on those slugs.
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yep me too MJP, will find out this weekend and post the results,pic,s too if i can figure out how to down load them from this smarter than me phone.. ;D
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well shot the Texan today, i stand corrected. its not loud,if you don't move it off its weakest setting, but when you do, wow, its loud, it kicks, i shot this cannon over 200 times today ;D and unless my crony is messed up, its shooting 340gr bullets at 911 fps :o [ that,s a ironic number huh] was the highest reading i got,playing with the bullet adjuster, they stayed in 885,range,down to 779 on the 8th to 1 k,wow,this monster is powerful, and accurate,i took some video on it while i was cronying it but it is not downloading for me,i know there must be a way to do this, also still waiting for the bbt,s 385 gr from accurate mold to come in,the 195 gr were hitting 1038 fps down to 965 and getting 15 shots,in that range, till it got to 1k pressure, am out of air, need to go to dive shop tomorrow and refill my 2 92 cu ft c/f tanks,i had a ball shooting this rifle, busting beer cans at 125 yards with 340gr bullets,get 8 good shots with the 340 gr,down to 1k pressure,from 911 :o down to 779 :o on the 8th shot.i am still learning this gun,and the working of the bullet adjuster,once i figger out at what settings gives the best fps as per which bullet i am using,there is no 1 setting fits all, once i dialed in the 340 gr, the 195 gr suffered a 100 fps lose, and when i got the 195 gr up to 1038 fps the 340 gr lose 150 fps,,can't wait to try bob's boattail 385 gr,,i drilled out on a drill press about 25 hollow points,,just to see what kind of damage it would do on a 50 gallon old rusted drum, well it puts 1 455 cal hole on one side and a 3 inch hole thru the seam,or beveled part as it turned it over,i was looking at the fpe on 911 x340.gr, that is 626 fpe down to 468 fpe on it,s 8th shot, that is totally different readings from other readings i have read on this gun,so that can't be right, right?this guns only rated at 500+ fpe, and my crony is 30 feet from my shooting station,and it is fully laid out, no shades, once i get the bbts,385gr and some more air, i,ll redo the readings, hopefully i can down load the footage i took, so everyone don't think i am telling fishing story,s, now i will say this i did not buy this gun new, its # 70 and i bought it from a guy on the yellow,i don't think he has messed with it, but if he did, well all righty then,it works, ;D, i paid way under what it is selling for new,,i haggled him down, glad i did,got a scope, a by-pod, a lcd,and a case.he is a tuner, and sells qb78 big bores 457, so he may of played with it,don't know just trying to figure out why its as powerful as its seems.great gun, fun as heck to shoot, and accurate, very powerful, light, and i like the look of it, well that's my story and for now i am sticking to it,,,,get yourself one of these great guns, it has for sure become my favorite rifle.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Holy cow.. That's getting on 45 LC power!! With the heavy lead that thing is ready for black bear..
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yep its got some real power for sure, but as i said i am not sure about my crony yet,those are unheard of #,s on a stock Texan ,still trying to get the hang of the bullet adjuster,tom was supposed to do a follow up article on using the adjuster ,have not seen it yet,man i hope those #,s are right,cause it is powerful,i got a circuit judge 45 lc,but have never put anything heavier than 250 gr, and it did not do the damage this horse does, [go figure] :-\
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Do a recheck over chrono with a fresh battery.
These are some big numbers.
Since slayer got postponed again. I might try a Texan.
Get us some more info. I want to go hunting and I really don't have a bigbore yet.
Was thinking might even try a Benjamin again and live with 50-75 yards.
Or even brace it so that it might have a chance to shoot proper.
Benjamin says trigger is like 3-4 pounds but on the one I had felt more like 7. If all the Bulldogs are same as one I had, I can see some work to improve on them.
How is trigger on Texan?
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I own the Texan and the bulldog. The Texan is a much better gun if you are looking for accuracy and power. The bulldog has the advantage of a 5 round magazine.
I will say the I don't like to target shoot the texan too long because of the kick and amount of air it takes. The bulldog is nicer to target shoot.
My guns chrono numbers support the 500 fpe but it is only around 700 fps to get that power. Shoot lighter bullets to get flatter trajectory with lower fpe.
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You may have hit the nail on the head,I have not changed the battery since I bought it ,the trigger on the Texan is smooth first stage, and crisp second stage,maybe 2lb,the gun is easy to load and shoot,very accurate, and regardless of the crony numbers,this beast is powerful, I recommend you read tom Gaylor, s articles,on the Texan, at p.a website. And as soon as I can get a chance to go to my property. I will post again.
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Please do!
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When the battery gets weak on my chrono, it will throw out some wierd numbers.
So when ever I have post a fps number in here I always checked the battery 1st.
If you ever get a confusing read out or err pops up a few times, throw a new batt in.
I know when mine gets low, it will read err when I check shot stats and fps readings will not be true.
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I talked to Randy at R&L today, I just got a TalonP from him --- and living in the same state makes it way easy, ordered Thursday and got on Friday. He was testing the Texan and says that he has been stretching it to 175yds, no problem. He is also making a shroud for it. I may have to make another visit real soon.
Joe
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jaraxel1zx i had that very problem it read erra about 5 times when i was shooting thru it, never thought about it be to be a worn battery,i must say i never thought the readings to be accurate, wish they were, so i as stated will retest with a new battery. also just got a pm, from tom at accurate mold, my 385 gr, bbt's mold won't be ready till next week some time.i thank al;l whom have posted, and i will say again, if they ever come available , buy yourself one of these Texans, they are truly a awesome , powerful, fun to shoot, easy to load and shoot, accurate,very powerful air gun.imo the best bang for the buck,period.IMO ;D
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jaraxel1zx i had that very problem it read erra about 5 times when i was shooting thru it, never thought about it be to be a worn battery,i must say i never thought the readings to be accurate, wish they were, so i as stated will retest with a new battery. also just got a pm, from tom at accurate mold, my 385 gr, bbt's mold won't be ready till next week some time.i thank al;l whom have posted, and i will say again, if they ever come available , buy yourself one of these Texans, they are truly a awesome , powerful, fun to shoot, easy to load and shoot, accurate,very powerful air gun.imo the best bang for the buck,period.IMO ;D
Sorry forgot to mention that Randy of R&L has 2 Texans for sale right now.
Joe
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there you go joe, a shroud, for the texan, that would be great, doe,s it extend the length as the lcd?, and i agree with the 175 yard test, with what this beast has shown me, 250 yards with a 195gr is very doable , once one figures out the bullet adjuster, there is a lot of potential, for long range accuracy, and power to get the job done, think about this it does the power with only a 3k charge, that says a lot i think,and it is so much fun and easy to shoot,i like this gun so much i am seriously thinking about selling my other big bore air rifles,it is that good.i will give it time and lots of testing before i do, ;D
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if its doable joe, buy one,you will not regret it. ;D
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I will eventually. I have to finish 4 builds, then build a .30 and .357. I am looking to see if Beeman is going to release their .40 and for how much. Say it will be an affordable big bore. The Texan will fall into place somewhere in that list.
Joe
P.S. Kinda hard to finish my builds if I keep buying new projects...lol!
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i hear ya joe, don't worry once you shoot a Texan, you will sell the other guns you think ya want now..lol, its that good.you just can,t match its power , smoothness and accuracy with a 3k charge on any other air gun,you.ll see. :P
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What are you averaging on shot count at your current power level?
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Joe, that depends on gr, of slug i am shooting, i get maybe 15 to 20 shots with the 195 gr, 457 slugs and about 8 of the 340 gr 357, that is all i have tested so far, am waiting on a 385 bbt mold from accurate mold,not really interested in the 405 or heavier that give max fpe, i know form shooting my 909, tuned that the Texan is way over 400 fpe with 340 gr bullets,and that the 195 gr are over 300 or more with out the crony just from the damage it does,i don.t care about shot count, although it seems good,i am for the power with accuracy and over all fun of shooting, i am molding some 195 gr 457 bullets tonight, as a fact i am waiting for the lead to get soft for poring, it too is a accurate 4 bullet mold.that i can down size to 454 to shoot out of the evanix sniper, they load threw the mag like butter, buts its way more fun with the Texan.
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Joe, that depends on gr, of slug i am shooting, i get maybe 15 to 20 shots with the 195 gr, 457 slugs and about 8 of the 340 gr 357, that is all i have tested so far,
That is pretty darn good for shot count. Man, looking better to me more and more.
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yeah it is all about the bullet adjuster ,that take,s a while to understand and get the hang of ,least for me, less means more kinda thingy,once i master that ,count and power will get to max output.to me,its not to bad carrying the 48 inch rifle in the woods,it is not heavy,or fat,its long and lean,just like i like my women,lol and oh the power,hits the wow factor everytime... :o :o :o
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We want pictures man! ;)
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when i get to my property next and do some shooting, i will post pic,s,i ordered a go-pro,so i can take some pic,s , should be here next week,as so should my 385 bbt mold, hope i can figure out how to get them down loaded,any info on how too is appreciated , also i am hoping that other Texan owners, will join the post, and one of you Texan owners,tried helium in one yet?that would be :o , something,for sure..
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when i get to my property next and do some shooting, i will post pic,s,i ordered a go-pro,so i can take some pic,s , should be here next week,as so should my 385 bbt mold, hope i can figure out how to get them down loaded,any info on how too is appreciated , also i am hoping that other Texan owners, will join the post, and one of you Texan owners,tried helium in one yet?that would be :o , something,for sure..
Use Photobucket. An account is free and you can PM me for help loading them up.
Joe
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This post is making me want a Texan more and more.
Dave
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This post is making me want a Texan more and more.
Dave
I know, me too. ;)
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Then one or both of you---better if you both do---buy a Texan now, and I'll will visit and shoot them for you...I mean with you, yes---with you. 8)
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Then one or both of you---better if you both do---buy a Texan now, and I'll will visit and shoot them for you...I mean with you, yes---with you. 8)
Joe my friend, why don't you buy a Texan first and we will visit and we can shoot it with you?
I'll even buy you lunch ( as long as its on the dollar menu of course lol)
Dave
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Dave, Dave, Dave...I already bought a TalonP and now I will need to invest more for a shroud---dang loud. So I will be in need of you to make the purchase first.
Joe
P.S. Aren't you on vacation?
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Joe i will probably do just that,not good on computer stuff, also guys, look at my avatar list of guns,this is now my favorite one to shoot,and i keep hearing things like the a/f frames are weak,don,t know about the other a/f guns, but this beast is sturdy, and yeah it has a lifetime warranty,kinda takes the dah, and risk out of getting one,i look at it this way, it is capable of 500+ fpe,enough to drop about any thing with shot placement and proper bullet selection, and that's on hpa 3k charge, and much more fpe on helium,should one venture that way, but for me where i hunt and what i hunt ,i only need maybe 1/2 that fpe really,but i like to plink,and shoot as far out as i can,and when i hit my target i like to put big holes in it,and i know this gun can easily do all i want,it,s not as heavy as my evanix sniper,or as loud and kick as much as my 365+fpe 909,and it is easier to cock and load, has better trigger than all my other pcp,s, and since i mold my on bullets,it is not that expensive to just shoot,i use tanks,and don't pump,and i have not been able to empty 2 92 cu ft c/f tanks yet from 4500 psi down to 2600 psi in a weekend of shooting, and i shoot so much on my land, the tree,s are suffering from lead poisoning,lol, there are a lot of other much more expensive air rifles out there most need more psi fill,,but none with the power off a 3k charge of the Texan,and its built in the USA. has a lifetime warranty,that i have not heard of from other big bore manufacturers,maybe you have,yes i have .357,201 fire that can shoot a 110gr bbt at 200+ fpe way out there, and i seen you tube video,s of long distance shoots with heavier gr,357, i am no ballistic's guru ,but if i shoot the same gr bullet out of a 45 cal Texan,i would not only have more fpe, but mass as well,least that is how i see it, might be wrong,but pound for pound the best bang for the buck is a Texan,don't need tuning,deadly right out of the box,long and lean, powerful and mean,get some..
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Texan is calling my name...but it will have to wait. Gotta get my builds done first.
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guys as my x told me so many time,s when she wanted more bling,[it,s only money "you'll make more...] :o] you hear that joeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, buy the texan,joeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee buy the texan,,,,,its calling you from the shelf joeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..lol
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I swear, you and dcorvino must be related...or...the same person. lol
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I swear, you and dcorvino must be related...or...the same person. lol
Joe we are just trying to help you find happiness , and besides great minds think alike or is that devious minds? I always gey they confused LOL
Ha ha
Dave
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Me too.
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Awe.... c'mon Joe! Didn't you hear it calling your name? You HAVE to get it, once it knows your name! Lol
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Awe.... c'mon Joe! Didn't you hear it calling your name? You HAVE to get it, once it knows your name! Lol
See Joe the Texan is calling your name, just give in to your destiny lol
Dave
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The Darkside is strong within this one. So maybe the Darkside will buy the Texan for me.
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The Darkside is strong within this one. So maybe the Darkside will buy the Texan for me.
Joe we all know your making a fortune off of selling praire dog pelts to the fashion designers ok we know lol
So you can buy everyone a Texan
Dsve
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Joe, look you buy a Texan, put helium in it 'hit god knows what fpe level' and make us all nvu.,,come on joe,u can do it...buy the texan,joeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you know you need one, the force be with you brother,air-force Texan that is, lol,
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joe for you joe, from the force,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Joe, look you buy a Texan, put helium in it 'hit god knows what fpe level' and make us all nvu.,,come on joe,u can do it...buy the texan,joeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you know you need one, the force be with you brother,air-force Texan that is, lol,
Joe use the force
Let yourself go Joe and give in to the force... Joe
You know you want to
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But I just bought a baby Talon...I must resist and finish all other projects. Still want a .40 Beeman and .357 Sumatra (if they ever come out). Way to many influences...we are (big) bore, resistance is futile.
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But I just bought a baby Talon...I must resist and finish all other projects. Still want a .40 Beeman and .357 Sumatra (if they ever come out). Way to many influences...we are (big) bore, resistance is futile.
joe is that talon a big bore?does it make little holes, or great big gushing holes,can it hit a raccoon so bad that the raccoon next to it falls over dead from stress? from fear,can it drop a 200 lb deer at 75 yards,or more,my friend the force be with you with a Texan,now do you want the FORCE,or the force[[[ Texan + joe= happy,happy,happy, ah the things that go bang......lol
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But I just bought a baby Talon...I must resist and finish all other projects. Still want a .40 Beeman and .357 Sumatra (if they ever come out). Way to many influences...we are (big) bore, resistance is futile.
joe is that talon a big bore?does it make little holes, or great big gushing holes,can it hit a raccoon so bad that the raccoon next to it falls over dead from stress? from fear,can it drop a 200 lb deer at 75 yards,or more,my friend the force be with you with a Texan,now do you want the FORCE,or the force[[[ Texan + joe= happy,happy,happy, ah the things that go bang......lol
Joe my friend
We are just trying to help you find true happiness.
Think back to when you were 10 and life was full of hope and joy and you were in your happy place.
Well Joe we are trying to bring you back to you childhood and make you happy.
Embrace the force Joe get the Texan
Make your inner child happy
Sincerely Dave the enabler instigator what's the difference LOL
P.S Eddie Haskill says you should get one and he never steered anyone wrong
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Eddie Haskill pic is great! LOL!!!
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I just ordered a Texan today, along with a scope, rings, and a few other accessories. This thread just makes me even more anxious for it to get here.
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AAARRRGGHHHHHH!!!!! Now I gotta have one!
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AAARRRGGHHHHHH!!!!! Now I gotta have one!
The Darkside is strong in you Joe give into the Darkside
So when you placing your order lol
Dave
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Boy do I want one of these things...big bore AG hunting is not (yet) legal in MN, but when it is you can bet I'll be in line for one. Just thinking of the money I have into my Condor makes me cringe, then I think about the Texan being another $450 above what I paid for my factory "blemish" gun...woof!
I will find a way to justify one when they become legal here...and after I pick up a CCP gun, an AR, and build another muzzleloader....the force is STRONG!
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Ah, crud. I'll probably have to cancel mine. Just checked, and in TN air rifles are only legal to use on small game. Seems like mad overkill to use a Texan on small game. Much as I'd like to own one, it's awful expensive for just a range toy.
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Ah, crud. I'll probably have to cancel mine. Just checked, and in TN air rifles are only legal to use on small game. Seems like mad overkill to use a Texan on small game. Much as I'd like to own one, it's awful expensive for just a range toy.
Yeah, even coyote max out at .25. Its not well thought out.
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well guys still no go-pro yet, so did the next best thing, invited a gta member chad2 to join me at my property,he had a good crony, the beast shoots 340 grain at 789fps on minimum bullet adjustment giving 470 fpe,and the 195 gr, were at 906 fps=355 fpe, i must have shot over 300 times,i am getting 15 power shots with the 340,ending at 659fps down to 800psi,from 3300psi, and only 18 shots with the 195gr,thats because its set up for max power on the smaller bullets,i hope chad will post in here, he was shooting his cricket 25 cal,and that is a very nice airgun, very quite, very accurate, he took 3 nutters at 75yards,one head shot, one heart and lung shot and one center body shot,we were shooting long weed stems with the Texan and the cricket, one inch at a time,i love my Texan,i just can't explain just how much fun it is to shoot this cannon,oh and i don't eat nutters so i did not kill any,almost shot my tanks to below 3k, one at 2k other still got 3400 psi,and we shot all my big bores, get this, the evanix sniper with 195 gr, bullets gets 201 fpe, 15 feet from crony,[the Texan first 2 shots are not as powerful as the 3 and 4 shots,then it plains for 8 shots till it begins to drop at 1k to 800 psi,they sure knew what they were doing with this gun, it is well built,and not one problem with it,if you can afford one and can find one, get it' you will be very pleased,something tells me the Texan price may go up,the guns that good,also after shooting my first bull-pup,i may see a slayer 357 in my near future, only thing i did not like about the cricket bull-pup was the right hand bolt,which being a lefty,was uncomfortable"the bolt and release for it sticks into my jaw as i look threw the scope, the slayer is on the left side so yeah,as for the Texan, its a tree slayer for sure, the damage this beast does to a tree with either bullet is severe,the gun loads fast,and i was able to keep up near shot for shot with the cricket,and it has a 12 round mag,ummmmm joeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee you really need to get ya one of these,as long as it is, as loud as it is, as accurate as it is, it will become your go to air rifle,its boring accurate,but excitingly fun when it hits anything,limbs fall ,tree,s quiver,cans fly off 20 feet with big holes in them,.its super powerful, and pleasantly plinkable,[my new word]plinkable.. so i am wore out from a whole day of shooting bliss.heck, if my x was as much fun as my Texan,i'd still be married....lol
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See Joe
If these kind words about the Texan don't convince you to buy one I don't know what will.
But if I win PA's promotion of CEO for a day I'll get you one.
( then take it back just kidding would i do that to my buddy Joe LOL)
Dave
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See Joe
If these kind words about the Texan don't convince you to buy one I don't know what will.
But if I win PA's promotion of CEO for a day I'll get you one.
( then take it back just kidding would i do that to my buddy Joe LOL)
Dave
...you might Dave...you might...
supertech77, you and your witchy ways.
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See Joe
If these kind words about the Texan don't convince you to buy one I don't know what will.
But if I win PA's promotion of CEO for a day I'll get you one.
( then take it back just kidding would i do that to my buddy Joe LOL)
Dave
...you might Dave...you might...
supertech77, you and your witchy ways.
Joe Supertech77 is only looking out for your best interests.
He only wants you to be happy Joe.
As for myself Joe I would never do that to you.
I might send the gun to you one piece at a time that way you would appreciate all the work tha went into the rifle. And it would also give you something to look forward to the next delivery
So Joe we care and want you to be happy, is that so wrong joe ?
Dave
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No respect...I'm telling you.
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See Joe
If these kind words about the Texan don't convince you to buy one I don't know what will.
But if I win PA's promotion of CEO for a day I'll get you one.
( then take it back just kidding would i do that to my buddy Joe LOL)
Dave
...you might Dave...you might...
supertech77, you and your witchy ways.
oh oh telaga joe
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Speaking of the texan! That thing, for a lack of better words, is bad @$$!! ;D. The texan was literally turning trees into shrapnel. Mick you have every mans dream out there! With that texan it wont be long until you have a 200 yard range infront of your cabin. ;D. It is amazing how many shots you get and how quickly and easy that thing is to reload and shoot. If that thing was as guite as my cricket nothing would be living on your land :).
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for sure chad, that cricket is the quietest air rifle i have ever heard and how ya hear this puff and then a hard impact,very accurate bull-pup ,what amazed me was with us shooting all day long,from early morning until late evening all the animals,even turkey just walk right on in with the Texan and the sniper and the 909 yang noise , don't think they even heard the cricket 25 at all,maybe i made them deaf ,you just made um dead...lol that was some fine shooting young man,we will do that again real soon,and [Joe] :o, you hear that, the force,is a calling you, saying JOE you gotta get one of these,then the force will be with you,and you'll be in your happy ;D ;D ;D place,you can walk softly and carry a big Texan...lol ;D
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I don't hear you...lalalalalalalalalalalalala!
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Ah, crud. I'll probably have to cancel mine. Just checked, and in TN air rifles are only legal to use on small game. Seems like mad overkill to use a Texan on small game. Much as I'd like to own one, it's awful expensive for just a range toy.
Yeah, even coyote max out at .25. Its not well thought out.
Nope. Sad, too. I'd love to have one, but I really can't justify the expense for it if I can't use it. Cancelled the order today.
On the plus side, I might grab an Escape to use on coyote.
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I don't hear you...lalalalalalalalalalalalala!
TEXAN
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Sounds like a great hunter...I would love to own one
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I shot a texan today,very powerful.the lever is great,way loud.not sure if I would want to carry it around all day,3shots before refill.
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Folks having a no disclosure agreement with AF for no pictures?
Marko
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Folks having a no disclosure agreement with AF for no pictures?
Marko
LOL ;D
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I shot a texan today,very powerful.the lever is great,way loud.not sure if I would want to carry it around all day,3shots before refill.
Is it 3 shots before refill or "a bunch"? I've heard conflicting info on this. Are there any shot strings for this gun?
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not my gun,I think it was on high,something was said about lighter grains increases the shot count
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I shot a texan today,very powerful.the lever is great,way loud.not sure if I would want to carry it around all day,3shots before refill.
what gr bullet were you shooting, and was it from a full charge, i shoot 340gr and i get 15 shots before it drops below 1k,
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I shot a texan today,very powerful.the lever is great,way loud.not sure if I would want to carry it around all day,3shots before refill.
Is it 3 shots before refill or "a bunch"? I've heard conflicting info on this. Are there any shot strings for this gun?
15 with 340 gr,18 195gr , i just got a 458/385gr mold and that,s my next bullet to test.also count has a lot to do on what the bullet adjuster is set at,mines at 2nd notch,which gives me good fps on both bullets,i could probably get more fps with it set near the last notch with the 340gr, but the 195 gr only get 410fps,least that,s what chad2 s crony said, it was a week shot so i put it back to 2 notch
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I think they were 250 gr.
4th shot dropped a few inches at 50 yds
full fill, whatever that was
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Sounds like a great hunter...I would love to own one
you will enjoy it ,when you do,it is awesome ,
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I think they were 250 gr.
4th shot dropped a few inches at 50 yds
full fill, whatever that was
must be the setting on the bullet adjuster,my Texan get,s its most power at 3rd shot and 4th, with the 340 gr, i fill mine to 3300psi,as i do all my pcp guns except my b-50s,there 2400psi max.
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Sounds like a great hunter...I would love to own one
you will enjoy it ,when you do,it is awesome ,Ah, crud. I'll probably have to cancel mine. Just checked, and in TN air rifles are only legal to use on small game. Seems like mad overkill to use a Texan on small game. Much as I'd like to own one, it's awful expensive for just a range toy.
Yeah, even coyote max out at .25. Its not well thought out.
Nope. Sad, too. I'd love to have one, but I really can't justify the expense for it if I can't use it. Cancelled the order today.
On the plus side, I might grab an Escape to use on coyote.
i feel for ya man, that's gotta not so good,for sure,maybe they will change there rules someday soon, these a real nice big bores,and for the power there cheap in price.but sad but true,ya gotta go with whats usable for you,
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Folks having a no disclosure agreement with AF for no pictures?
Marko
yeah,yeah , i know] lol ,there coming when my camera get,s hear, already got the 32 gb cards for it, i would really love to show this beast off for you all so you can see, i hope chad2 can down load the pictures when i take them, cause i gave up trying too,he knows what a beast of power the gun is and how many shots and at what power it shoots at,he shot it and was very impressed,
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I shot a texan today,very powerful.the lever is great,way loud.not sure if I would want to carry it around all day,3shots before refill.
Is it 3 shots before refill or "a bunch"? I've heard conflicting info on this. Are there any shot strings for this gun?
Where the power wheel is set at and the weight of the slug has everything to do with the amount of shots you get. Generally youd test with each weight of buullet untill you have a general idea where it shoots best for you at. I have gotten 15 shots with roundball but that would mean nothing to a guy that want to shoot 405 grain. Personally I thing the extreme bullets are a waiste. Dont sit around hunting coons and cayotes with 400 grains. The 180's are perfect and youll get a complete pass throuugh and a gaping wound channel even if you shoot the bones. The wound channel will just have big bone fragments in it.
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Totally agree with that accessment.
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Maybe you should rent the Texan to Joe for the weekend?
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What bullet weight will the Texan shoot in the low-mid 900s?.... IMO that is what I would use.... providing you can find one that is accurate, of course....
For my Hayabusa, that is around 216 gr. at about 430 FPE....
Bob
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Old Timer,
166 gr shoots at about 975 fps, and a 147 gr about 1015 fps... I will be testing some 185 gr hollow points tomorrow, I think they'll be about where you want. They'll be Mr. Hollowpoints brand. I'll post the results.
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My Texan arrived 3 days ago:
I unpacked it, assembled it with a scope and bipod.
I used 166 gr Air venture semi wadcutters to sight it in, I was on the bull by my sixth shot. Tested at 50 yards with 2 inch groups of 6 shots being the normal performance.
The first shot at 3000 psi in every group was 100 fps slower than the second shot, which was the fastest of the groups at about 990 fps.
It has valve lock at 3000 psi, but I assume a minor valve adjustment will fix this. I'm not adjusting the valve during my initial tests with different projectile weights. I just thought I'd see how it'd behave without messing with the valve, and give it a chance to loosen up.
My first fill on the gun went straight out the barrel, jiggled the valve, problem disappeared
My first refill, the bottle valve refused to close when releasing the air pressure and vented through the pressure release valve. I topped up the gun to 3000 psi, and released the pressure with greater speed, and the bottle valve sealed.
No more filling problems after that, It's just new Ha Ha
It is quieter than I expected from other reviews, my 909s is much louder. It has more kick than the 909s, but can easily be contained.
It is much better built than the 909s. The engineering, and quality of materials are absolutely top notch!!! It is great value for money, and does exactly what reviewers said it will do. It has overcome every problem I've found on other guns in this class, up to now.
It's still early days, and I'm still learning it.
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Great early review Metnav1.
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My Texan arrived 3 days ago:
I unpacked it, assembled it with a scope and bipod.
I used 166 gr Air venture semi wadcutters to sight it in, I was on the bull by my sixth shot. Tested at 50 yards with 2 inch groups of 6 shots being the normal performance.
The first shot at 3000 psi in every group was 100 fps slower than the second shot, which was the fastest of the groups at about 990 fps.
It has valve lock at 3000 psi, but I assume a minor valve adjustment will fix this. I'm not adjusting the valve during my initial tests with different projectile weights. I just thought I'd see how it'd behave without messing with the valve, and give it a chance to loosen up.
My first fill on the gun went straight out the barrel, jiggled the valve, problem disappeared
My first refill, the bottle valve refused to close when releasing the air pressure and vented through the pressure release valve. I topped up the gun to 3000 psi, and released the pressure with greater speed, and the bottle valve sealed.
No more filling problems after that, It's just new Ha Ha
It is quieter than I expected from other reviews, my 909s is much louder. It has more kick than the 909s, but can easily be contained.
It is much better built than the 909s. The engineering, and quality of materials are absolutely top notch!!! It is great value for money, and does exactly what reviewers said it will do. It has overcome every problem I've found on other guns in this class, up to now.
It's still early days, and I'm still learning it.
How does it handle compared to the 909? I have a 909 and am considering a Texan but my son will be shooting too so it must fit a young person.
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Maybe you should rent the Texan to Joe for the weekend?
I got no problems with that.
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Lee,
The 909s is lighter and smaller, but cocking it is tough, and pulling the trigger will require both hands for a youngster. I found the 909s trigger and bolt setup both unacceptable.
The 909s will fit a smaller frame but the gun is generally awful to use.
The Texan was built for an adult, and pretty much unadjustable size wise.
So, I don't think either gun will work for a youngster.
I had a similar problem with my daughter, she is 5 feet even, and couldn't fit the guns I had, so I made one for her.
A Marauder pistol, custom air tube, regulated, 18 inch hammer forged barrel, upgraded valve, and an AR stock... 24 shots @ 25 ftlbs
A great squirrel gun
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So, I don't think either gun will work for a youngster.
I had a similar problem with my daughter, she is 5 feet even, and couldn't fit the guns I had, so I made one for her.
A Marauder pistol, custom air tube, regulated, 18 inch hammer forged barrel, upgraded valve... 24 shots @ 25 ftlbs
A great squirrel gun
Good comparison of the 909 and Texan.
Interesting that you didn't pick a Discovery for your daughter with those specs. Pretty close specs to what you built, and a nice rifle for a young person that size....
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Wwonka,
She is 16, and not getting any bigger... Same size as mom. She regularly beat her two brothers shooting the pistol with the Crosman stock, but it was OEM.
She already liked the pistol with the stock attached, and I already had the pistol, so I improved the entire gun to make it beat the marauders
The boys were shooting 40ftlb marauder .22s, both guns very modified, and she couldn't get the stock to her shoulder and reach the trigger.
Her Modified pistol was very light, but still more accurate over 50 yards than the other 2 marauder rifles, due mostly to the high quality barrel.
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Congratulations on your new Texan,,I fill mine to 3300,with no problems,
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Wwonka,
She is 16, and not getting any bigger... Same size as mom. She regularly beat her two brothers shooting the pistol with the Crosman stock, but it was OEM.
She already liked the pistol with the stock attached, and I already had the pistol, so I improved the entire gun to make it beat the marauders
The boys were shooting 40ftlb marauder .22s, both guns very modified, and she couldn't get the stock to her shoulder and reach the trigger.
Her Modified pistol was very light, but still more accurate over 50 yards than the other 2 marauder rifles, due mostly to the high quality barrel.
Nice. Your daughter's lucky. Good to show her she can do what anyone else can, or better.
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Supertech,
I'm sure if I adjusted my valve spring I wouldn't get valve lock symptoms at 3000psi. I haven't made any valve spring adjustments, just recorded what I get as it came out of the box. I don't have a feel for this valve, and will learn it once I've seen how projectile weight affects it.
I could fill to 2900 psi, and avoid the symptoms. What I found interesting is the 100 fps difference between 3000 psi and 2900 psi, and after 2900psi is reached the shot string is very flat with only 10 psi between shots in the group.
I'm pretty sure that at 3300 psi I would have complete valve lock, and the gun wouldn't fire at all without increasing the valve spring tension.
Lots to absorb before I understand it completely
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Maybe you should rent the Texan to Joe for the weekend?
I got no problems with that.
Joe my friend you do know you'll have to return it in a few days right ?
It wouldn't get lost in shipping now would it?? LOL
Dave
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I promised some shot strings:
185 gr Hollow Points
Fill: 3000 PSI Shot 1 641.3 FPS
2800 2 942.0
2600 3 925.7
2500 4 912.2
2350 5 886.4
2300 6 867.8
2200 7 846.4
200 gr Hollow Points
Fill: 3000 PSI Shot 1 948.2
2850 2 911
2650 3 888.1
2450 4 879.7
2250 5 852.4
2050 6 840
1900 7 809.5
These were Mr. Hollow Point brand. They claimed .457" but were a tight fit. The 200 gr had higher readings than I expected, and I believe that's probably due to the extra length of the projectile providing a better barrel seal. The low reading for shot 1 on the 185 gr has been typical for the first shot on the 147 gr and 166 gr projectiles at 3000 psi, but didn't occur on the 200 gr
Gives me more food for thought on the valve characteristics.
I ran a second 200 gr string, and the results were pretty much the same.
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Remember all these readings have been taken without any adjustment to the valve setting, and I'm sure better results are obtainable if the valve is adjusted correctly to enhance a particular projectile.
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the grains were 340@800 fps,3000 to 1500 psi,three shots
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Just one more string: Air Venturi 166 gr Semi Wadcutters:
Fill: 3000 PSI Shot 1 843.6 FPS
2 995.6
2600 3 987.1
4 975.6
2350 5 955.1
6 943.1
2000 7 924.3
1800 8 898.5
Not bad if we ignore shot 1, start at 2900 PSI, or make a valve adjustment Ha Ha!
That's about 340 ftlbs average for the string, 250 ftlbs @ 100 yards, and only about a 4" drop at 100 yards when sighted in for 80 yards
Good light weight deer killer
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got a love those a/f Texans,there the bees knees in opinion,metnav1 ;D
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What bullet weight will the Texan shoot in the low-mid 900s?.... IMO that is what I would use.... providing you can find one that is accurate, of course....
For my Hayabusa, that is around 216 gr. at about 430 FPE....
Bob
These 200 gr will get to mid 900's. I know everyone is gonna scream about this but I love chootin these 166 grain HS.
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Kim,
I like the looks of the 166gr on paper too. I intend to check accuracy out to 100 yards today with them, and compare the 185 and 200gr to them to see how good they really are.
Most of my work up to now was looking at the valve behavior and velocities. Now I'll play with the valve a little, and check accuracy at 100 yards. I'd be real pleased with 3-4" groupings.
Off to the range... (Backyards only good for 70 yards, and I have to put the dogs up for that)
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If you are shooting the right ammo you should be able to get 1 inch groupings at 100 yards. I have only shot heavies in my Texan, 340 and 380 grains which both shot great.
I did not chrono my 340 grain but the 380 we're about 725 fps. I have left my gun at factory settings.
I need to do some testing with ammo I swaged for the Texan but my Omega compressor took a dump so I am waiting for a rebuild.
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Those 340 gr should crony in at 789 average, least they did in mine.and if you play with the bullet adjuster you might get more.
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Looks like 4 good shots at ~350 FPE with the 166 gr. (4% ES).... Nothing wrong with that....
Bob
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Nick,
I don't shoot good enough to get 1" groups, Ha Ha... I'm pretty proud of my 4" groups at 100 yards. 4" groups at 100 yards was good enough with a 50cal sniper rifle to get me an expert marksmanship ribbon in the military
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I notice my groups are better with the Texan if I hold the gun much tighter than I do my other air guns. 1 inch groups is a rested shooting position as well.
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got to try the 458/385 gr bobs boat tail bullets i molded from the accurate mold spec's bob worked up.hope too next weekend,hope the camera get here before then. ;D
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Us too!
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I spent yesterday at the range... I shot 166gr Air Venturis, and Mr. Hollow points 185gr at 100 yards.
The best I could achieve was about 6" groups of 3 shots. They were repeatable, using air pressures of about 2500PSI down to 2000PSI. I did have one group at about 4" using the 185gr.
I going to try again today with 200gn, and a lot more knowledge.
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George if you want to try some swaged pellets I will send you some and see if your groups tighten up. I have a Texan and I make all my own custom ammo for it and many other guns too. Send me a PM and we can exchange info.
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Your website seems inoperative....
Bob
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Not tried to sell any pellets. We are doing testing on pellet desings/twist/fps etc. I have sending test pellets to gather data. I am also waiting on some tooling from Corbin to complete all the punches I need. I have most but not all punches and waiting for a few more calibers to arrive as well.
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Your website seems inoperative....
Bob
Who,s website you talking about Bob?
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THE TEXAN IS LOOKING GOOOOOODDDDDD!!!!!!!! :P
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Your website seems inoperative....
Bob
Who,s website you talking about Bob?
http://nielsenspecialtyammo.com (http://nielsenspecialtyammo.com)
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Joe;;; oh JOE, yeah you :o, you really need to get a Texan,put the toy talon away and get a real gun, a Texan, lol, 8) remember joe Texan = ;D, talon = :( :-[ okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk then
bob those .458/385 gr boat tail bullets you designed look awesome.can't wait to try them,molded 200 the other day.....will try them in the Texan and in the tuned 909 and see what they do, will video and group test them at 40/50/75 yards further if i can,thank's again for your design work on these bullets, ;D METNAV1 great testing and thanks for your info,keep it up,I will get some testing in hopefully this Saturday on multiple bullets i have made from accurate made molds and some lee molds. but one thing i just got to say after shooting the Texan,
JOE you need to get sum,these guns are awesome,in my opinion, best bang for the buck power wise on a 3k charge out there. :P nielsenammo, have you tested the bullets you make in your Texan, and with what results are you getting,,and yes, pepegraves[these gun's are GREATTTTTTTTTT,going to the property this Saturday, hint, ;D
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ALRIGHT supertech77---I HEARD YOU THE FIRST TWENTY TIMES!!!!! LOL!!!! ;)
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ALRIGHT supertech77---I HEARD YOU THE FIRST TWENTY TIMES!!!!! LOL!!!! ;)
Joe my friend I will remain silent on this issue and let others guide you to your happy place.
For I have faith that you will get there.
No pressure from me sir.
Dave
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Faith in the Light of the Everlasting Lead! Amen, brother D, amen!
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Thank you Reverand Joe for your kind words.
We will all find are way on the path to the everlasting Lead.
Amen
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yeah though i walk threw the woods on the land that i hunt, i shall fear no predator,or critter be it in air, on land or over head canopy ,for i shall carry loaded one very powerful scoped TEXAN big bore air rifle, and whoa be unto the unfortunate target i choose' for large projectiles from my mighty air stick shall blast it to purgatory,can i get a amen brothers and sisters,and fellow TEXAN owners,and yeah joe too,lol ;D
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Amen, brother supertech77, amen. Now if we all turn our books to page 666, verse 10 of AirForce...let the mighty big bore of Texan do justice upon all meager, yet legally hunted game upon the land of Virginia.
Amen.
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Preach on Brother Supertech,
Amen Reverand Joe
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I couldn't get to the range Monday, I had car trouble, and it looks like my turbo is packing up.
To test at 100 yards I have to use a shooting range nearby. My backyard range is only good for 70 yards. My local range opens Friday through Monday, so I'll try to get out on Friday and get some more work done.
I'm after a deer bullet that is fast, and accurate.
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Just looking over targets from 100yards with the 166 grain from HS not Air Venturi and I am just over 1.3 inches at 100. But I know I had slightly worse groups, not anywhere near 4"though. Its too dang hot now so Im working on tuning the MROD
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the1stkim,
I worked with 166 gr Air Venturi for several hours today in my Texan. Any air pressure above 2000 psi causes cork screwing.
On a 20-30 yard target they're dead on, beyond that they corkscrew. I don't know why, but they do. Below 2000 psi I can get reasonable groups of 2 or 3, but they drop about 6" after each group.
What make are your 166 gr, and where do you get them. I'd love to give them a try
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got the cam's guys so i will video my testing of the 195gr, 340,gr and 385gr bbts,this weekend,video not a problem figured that out, got the go pro, and the hand cam all figured out, all i got to worry about is how to down load the 32 gb cards to the GTA site, info is appreciated, going down to my 22 acres tomorrow morning, gonna set up a new generator, and set up the tiki torch's get some cold miller lite, and just chill this weekend at the cabin on my property, and of coarse fill my feeders, get set up for deer season,right around the corner,last time at the [get away,] chad2 and i shot from 8am or so until 530 pm, till my air got low,he took 3 squirrels,home for dinner, and we were invaded by 5 turkey as well all at the feeders around 4 pm, we took no turkeys, [yet] there not in season, so this weekend its just me,so i will show crony and group test my bullet results, at different yard markers for you guy,s,then just maybe, maybe, [Joe] aka monkeydad1969 will see the light and buy himself a Texan thunder stick, and reap the rewards of hunting bliss,for then he too can walk thru the woods with the almighty power from the big bore gods of a Texan 45, and send his quarry to there happy place, as he shall be the envy of all who shall know of his new found power of the Texan thunder stick,and shall follow the hunting adventure,s of JOE, the thunder stick master.lol
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Brother supertech77 is truly a master of the almighty word...blessed be to all who worship the lead.
Amen!
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the1stkim,
I worked with 166 gr Air Venturi for several hours today in my Texan. Any air pressure above 2000 psi causes cork screwing.
On a 20-30 yard target they're dead on, beyond that they corkscrew. I don't know why, but they do. Below 2000 psi I can get reasonable groups of 2 or 3, but they drop about 6" after each group.
What make are your 166 gr, and where do you get them. I'd love to give them a try
Im using hunters supply 166gr .457
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Has anyone tried the Hunter Arc 241 grslugs from RL Airgun supply? They are made just for the Texan
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the1stkim.
I just ordered a box of the 241 and a box of the 311s.
I can't find a 166 gr .457/8 bullet at Hunters Supply?
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http://hunters-supply.com/shop/air-gun-pellets-c-27.html?page=2&sort=3a (http://hunters-supply.com/shop/air-gun-pellets-c-27.html?page=2&sort=3a)
Go to airgun pellets then to second page. Or just cut and paste. Gotta make sure you guys are using soft lead.
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http://hunters-supply.com/shop/air-457-cal-166-p-706.html (http://hunters-supply.com/shop/air-457-cal-166-p-706.html)
This takes you straight to em
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I'm gonna order 50 of the rl 241 gr
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Got a box on order
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I received a box of Hunters Supply 166 gn Semi Wadcutters. They are exactly the same as Air Venturis' bullet that I have already tested.
Look like the same manufacturer, but I will test them anyway.
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If you are shooting the right ammo you should be able to get 1 inch groupings at 100 yards. I have only shot heavies in my Texan, 340 and 380 grains which both shot great.
I did not chrono my 340 grain but the 380 we're about 725 fps. I have left my gun at factory settings.
I need to do some testing with ammo I swaged for the Texan but my Omega compressor took a dump so I am waiting for a rebuild.
I tested your 340 gn today:
They are the most accurate I've tested in the Texan:
From a 3000 PSI fill:
shot 1 758 fps
shot 2 744 fps
shot 3 695 fps
Shot 1 is 1" higher than shot 2 at 100 yards
Shot 2 is about 4 " lower than shot 2
Vertically they are placed exactly the same: These I can work with and replicate their performance, which I did 5 times in a row.
If I only shot at 3000 psi, they'd all be in the same hole.
I have a 1" group of 2 bullets, and a backup within 5" of these vertically identical.
Only problem is I need to move my scope. With heavy ammo, it kicks harder and the scope smacks you in the head.
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Really glad they shot well for you. One thing when I report results on a non regulated gun I use a regulator to tether the gun. If you tethered your Texan you would get very tight groups.
I tether because I am trying to prove my bullet and not the gun. I have tooling coming to make some other designs as well. Hit me up in a couple of weeks. Will be working on lighter ones too.
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I also tested the RL 241 gn, the RL 311 gn, and retested the 166 gn from Air Venturi, and HS... They are the same.
First the 166 gn
Below 50 yards, these are very good, but at 100 yards they destabilize and corkscrew to the point they cannot be successfully grouped.
From 3000 PSI fill (reads higher on gun meter)
Shot 1 625.7 fps
2 619.7
3 646.2
4 656.2
5 715
6 738.6
7 812.8
8 923.4 2450 psi
9 964.6
10 946.6
11 929.5 1950 psi
12 900.7
13 886.8
14 866.4 1450 psi
I'm sure most can see a significant level of valve lock, with the velocity peaking at around 2500 psi. This I don't see as a problem, and below 50 yards they are very predictable. Out to 100 yards they are unstable.
Now for the RL 241 gn
Gun filled to 3000 PSI
Shot 1 896.7 fps
2 872.5
3 854.4
4 838.9
5 805.4
These were very usable with the first 3 staying within a 4" group, which dropped down, and to the right with each consecutive shot. The 4th shot was erratic each test and would be 6-12" away from the group. The bullets seemed to start destabilizing at 100 yards, but not to the point they weren't useful
Now the RL 311 gn
3000 PSI fills
Shot 1 823.9 fps
2 803.1
3 783.2
4 758.2
These 4 readings were the average of the 5 times I tried to get a group. The fps looks great, accuracy was pretty terrible at 100 yards, again a corkscrew flight path opened up to over 3 feet. I never tested these closer up.
I do not tether my gun, I want to see what it will do in the field. But even with that proviso, I have only found 1 bullet that I can recommend for very accurate 100 yard shots, and that is from my last test. Much heavier than I need too. If these bullets are tethered they'll go down 1 hole at 100 yards.
The RL 241 gn give 3 shots within a 4" group, but they move down and right, with much less predictability.
All these tests are done on my Texan, for my use. I use a high quality tank gauge for PSI readings, not the guns meter. I haven't adjusted the guns valve yet, it's as it came from the factory.
These results may differ substantially from your own guns, and I do not exaggerate, or doctor the readings... I would love to see your shot strings.
It's harder to find a good bullet than I thought
George
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I also tested the RL 241 gn, the RL 311 gn, and retested the 166 gn from Air Venturi, and HS... They are the same.
First the 166 gn
Below 50 yards, these are very good, but at 100 yards they destabilize and corkscrew to the point they cannot be successfully grouped.
From 3000 PSI fill (reads higher on gun meter)
Shot 1 625.7 fps
2 619.7
3 646.2
4 656.2
5 715
6 738.6
7 812.8
8 923.4 2450 psi
9 964.6
10 946.6
11 929.5 1950 psi
12 900.7
13 886.8
14 866.4 1450 psi
I'm sure most can see a significant level of valve lock, with the velocity peaking at around 2500 psi. This I don't see as a problem, and below 50 yards they are very predictable. Out to 100 yards they are unstable.
Now for the RL 241 gn
Gun filled to 3000 PSI
Shot 1 896.7 fps
2 872.5
3 854.4
4 838.9
5 805.4
These were very usable with the first 3 staying within a 4" group, which dropped down, and to the right with each consecutive shot. The 4th shot was erratic each test and would be 6-12" away from the group. The bullets seemed to start destabilizing at 100 yards, but not to the point they weren't useful
Now the RL 311 gn
3000 PSI fills
Shot 1 823.9 fps
2 803.1
3 783.2
4 758.2
These 4 readings were the average of the 5 times I tried to get a group. The fps looks great, accuracy was pretty terrible at 100 yards, again a corkscrew flight path opened up to over 3 feet. I never tested these closer up.
I do not tether my gun, I want to see what it will do in the field. But even with that proviso, I have only found 1 bullet that I can recommend for very accurate 100 yard shots, and that is from my last test. Much heavier than I need too. If these bullets are tethered they'll go down 1 hole at 100 yards.
The RL 241 gn give 3 shots within a 4" group, but they move down and right, with much less predictability.
All these tests are done on my Texan, for my use. I use a high quality tank gauge for PSI readings, not the guns meter. I haven't adjusted the guns valve yet, it's as it came from the factory.
These results may differ substantially from your own guns, and I do not exaggerate, or doctor the readings... I would love to see your shot strings.
It's harder to find a good bullet than I thought
George
Good info. Thanks for sharing and giving in depth details. I will work on lighter bullets too.
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The best bullets had large surface areas in contact with the barrel rifling. Also the swaged bullets are very consistent in shape and form. I haven't used swaged bullets before, but these were phenomenal compared to the poured bullets I normally use.
George
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Well, I said I wasn't going to get one, but I caved and re-ordered. Should be here tomorrow.
I can't help but wonder...I've seen where several people have said the Texan kicks. I can't imagine it kicks much, right? Certainly not as much as my 30-30. Is it about like a .22WMR or a .223? Less? More? Just wondering because I'm not sure what scope to put on it.
Also, will regular 230 grain .45 slugs work in it? If not, can someone direct me to a website where I can order some good pellets/bullets? I ordered some of the Air Venturi stuff, but I'd like a bit of variety to play with.
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The Texan kicks like a 30-30 I'd say, never shot both on same day to do a comparison but I think similar.
As far as bullets to purchase I made the swaged pellets mentioned above and will offer them for sale soon. You can see in my signature all the calibers I will have. The picture in my avatar is the machine I have to make them on.
I have plans to make lite bullets for the Texan if we can get them to shoot accurately. I am waiting for some additional tooling before selling pellets and some more testing. It will be my full time job once I start.
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The heavier the bullet, the harder it kicks, to the point I have to adjust the scope for 250-400 gn.
I've been testing bullets, looking for a light, fast, accurate bullet... Most work out to 50 yards, but I've found very few stay stable out to 100 yards.
I haven't found a light one yet, but the most accurate out to 100 yards is Nick's swaged bullet. It's a big one though LOL.
I've read many people claiming accuracy on bullets, that I cannot even get close to under field conditions, using the same projectile.
George
Hunting for a Bullet
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I think many of the reports people give is shooting at objects and not paper. The testing you did is more scientific and real.
George, I think the Texan twist rate is going to call for a bullet not too short. I am experimenting with different designs next week. When I find (if) a lighter bullet with good accuracy I send you some more and you can see how they do for you.
I would like to get a 250 grain to be accurate or one that will go 900 fps.
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Nick,
what I noticed is, the more surface area per weight of projectile, that is in contact with the rifling, the more stable the flight path.
Most of the poured bullets have narrow rings around them that contact the rifling. Your bullet had nearly a third of it's surface directly in contact with the rifling. Your bullets are extremely consistent between each other in shape and size. They travel in a very predictable way. They are simple in shape, but very effective.
I have not been very complimentary to most of the bullets I have shot, yours are the only exception up to now.
There are people out there who practice long distance shooting. I'm sure they should be of help in finding suitable shapes for shooting 100 yards plus with the Texan.
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FedEx dropped off my Texan a little while ago. I haven't gotten to do more than look at it for a few minutes, but so far the main thing I've noticed is that it feels very light. Much lighter than I thought it would be.
Looking forward to shooting it. Have to wait a few days, though.
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It was a long wait for some of us LOL... Congrats, and have fun
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FedEx dropped off my Texan a little while ago. I haven't gotten to do more than look at it for a few minutes, but so far the main thing I've noticed is that it feels very light. Much lighter than I thought it would be.
Looking forward to shooting it. Have to wait a few days, though.
Congrats and keep us updated.
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Is it just me, or do these things look like they should be firing lasers instead of pellets or bullets? All AF guns look straight out of ScyFy...
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Just wanted to add my 2 cents on some chrony readings I got on various bullets I've tried on my new Texan.
My first post so I hope this gets through
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great info guys and congrats on the new Texan, you will enjoy it,gonna be testing mine labor day weekend with all kinds of different bullets and ball,s and pellets,will post the pic,s and results, ;D right now i am really liking the 195gr accurate mold bullets,for out to 75yards and the 385gr bbt's and 340,lee bullets i mold] from 75 yards in to 15 yards,and i agree that most people's reported accuracy with there bullets are at objects, other than paper,i'll try both,this weekend.but sure is more fun blowing things up with the beast. ;D had some battery issues with the new camera's that i have solve now, so i should be able to get some pic's. ;D
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Would love to see all those bullets on paper at 75 yards to narrow down what to use in the texan. A 3 or 5 shot group with those bullets all at 75 yards to see how they group in comparison would be great.
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I'll work on the groups on paper. Currently can only safely go out to 62 yards. Need to clear out more trees and place beefier backstop. lol
I'll see what I can do. So far at current 62 yards the 230 grain round nose, 200 grain hollow point and the 350 grain FP have been the most accurate. I don't claim to be a great shot but even I have been able to keep a 5 inch group off a wobbly metal patio table with a sand bag. For more accurate data, I personally will need to pull out the big bench, and my Primos Group Therapy Bench Anchor Adjustable Rest. It's way more stable than current set up.
Current set up works great for my smaller Hatsan BT65 .25 cal, Sumatra 2500 .22 cal and to some extent my Sam Yang 909 Light Hunter .45 cal......but realistically, the 909 and the Texan both have to much kick back to achieve accurate shots off the patio table and simple sand bags.
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It's great to see more people getting in the game. I would love to see more of what others are achieving, and let us know which bullets are accurate out to 100 yards.
I only have a 10/25/50 yard range at home... I go to the local range for the 100 yard work.
The Texan does do what they said it would (pretty rare thing), the stumbling block for me is finding the perfect deer bullet that will reach out to at least 100 yards.
I have found one, but it's much heavier than I planned for, so the search goes on LOL
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How a about some pictures of this much talked airgun. 9 page and no pictures...Is this some big secret :o Thanks
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There's a million pictures online, and they all look the same. Search, Airforce Texan air rifle
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Yeah I've seen those pictures, but just wondering if someone is taking a peek inside that gun...
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I only have a pic of it in the box...
(https://mcafeeland.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/20150901_131510.jpg?w=1312)
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aim small miss small
"THE PATRIOT"
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Here's 1 for ya.
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Well, I said I wasn't going to get one, but I caved and re-ordered. Should be here tomorrow.
I can't help but wonder...I've seen where several people have said the Texan kicks. I can't imagine it kicks much, right? Certainly not as much as my 30-30. Is it about like a .22WMR or a .223? Less? More? Just wondering because I'm not sure what scope to put on it.
Also, will regular 230 grain .45 slugs work in it? If not, can someone direct me to a website where I can order some good pellets/bullets? I ordered some of the Air Venturi stuff, but I'd like a bit of variety to play with.
Yes they work fine. I ordered 1000 from Sinclairintl.com 100-012-828WS (In Stock)
Cast Lead Bullets, 45 CAL (.452") 230 GR RN .............1000 rounds were $104.98 Not bad for plinking testing and such. Acyually not a bad round for accuracy either. Still doing tests, and time has NOT been on my side.
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man i thought i saw a naked Texan IN A BOX lol,don't look ethel :o
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Here's 1 for ya.
rick i share the addiction,nice air gun collection,really like that big black one on the table lol
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yep
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Good stuff supertech77
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i forgot the beast,it's on a file to big to down load,but i will get the pics up i take this weekend,downloading them might be a challenge,lol ;D
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Well thanks for pictures...
Cast Lead Bullets, 45 CAL (.452") 230 GR RN .............1000 rounds were $104.98 Not bad for plinking testing and such. Acyually not a bad round for accuracy either. Still doing tests, and time has NOT been on my side.
I thought Texan shoots .457 diameter bullet?
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Yeah, atleast that is what is on af website 34 inch .457 LW barrel.
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That's true, it IS chambered at .457...but in the testing of the lead I have on hand it has shot the .457, .454, AND the .452's very well. Granted the .452 is not a snug fit, but shoots groups I can't argue with.
Heck, my 909 is chambered at .454 but shoots .457 best and most accurate...........go figure?
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Well that is what makes these airguns interested. You never know until You try Your self...
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My local WM sells boxes of .452 FMJ slugs for reloading. They aren't expensive, either. Think I'll grab a box just to test them out.
I still want to get some of the .457 pellets from nielson, though.
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My local WM sells boxes of .452 FMJ slugs for reloading. They aren't expensive, either. Think I'll grab a box just to test them out.
I still want to get some of the .457 pellets from nielson, though.
I will post when I get my die back. I sent back to get an adjustment, too tight of a fit. Should have next week.
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My local WM sells boxes of .452 FMJ slugs for reloading. They aren't expensive, either. Think I'll grab a box just to test them out.
Well You can try but what I've been heard those FMJ bullets won't work on airguns
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My local WM sells boxes of .452 FMJ slugs for reloading. They aren't expensive, either. Think I'll grab a box just to test them out.
Well You can try but what I've been heard those FMJ bullets won't work on airguns
Oh, right. The ones the guy was talking about earlier probably weren't FMJ....
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How a about some pictures of this much talked airgun. 9 page and no pictures...Is this some big secret :o Thanks
Thought I would post a pic of my Texan. I have been shooting it with a Hawke 6.5-20x44 and just mounted a 8-32x56 Hawke Sidewinder. Have not shot with the new scope yet, I plan on some longer range testing and I want a bit more zoom to do it with.
We are doing some 100 and possibly 150 yard testing if my shooting skills will cooperate.
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my Texan loose,s a lot of fps with the 457 roundball, but shoots everything else well,even 452,255 gr,and for a scope i use a 4x16x50 ffp vector paladin scope with side focus, i love it,i think if you use unsized pure lead 45 cal bullets,they just work well, and my 909 is most accurate with 457 too,its only pushing 400 fps,but is a whole lot louder than and kicks harder than does the Texan at 500 fpe.i bet that nice setup you got there with the 8x32x56mm hawke scope on your Texan will reach out there a ways,for sure,let us know how it works out, ;D
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With that round ball being so light you MAY need to adjust your power wheel. I was getting over 1000 fps with the 143 RB with NO adjustments????
I have a question of a different subject...........Has anyone found a decent CASE for this beast yet that will comfortably fit scope and bipod. I picked up one at Cabela's and length was fine, but zipper was awfully snug around the scope. Not really wanting to spend a lot as it won't be traveling much.
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drag bag isn't a case,but same function, all wrapped up,.50 cal bmg one should be long enough
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Air Force still have plans on making a ldc?
I'm really thinking about getting one of these, yall seem to be having good luck with it.
And my guitar hobbie really has lightened my wallet, so this gun is looking real good for the price.
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Has anyone tested the effective range of the Texan yet?
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David,
I've been working on trying to find an effective bullet at 100 yards... Most bullets tested destabilize past 50 yards, and start to corkscrew.
Nielsenammo here on this forum sent me some test ammo, it was heavy ammo, but it was very accurate out to 100 yards. I haven't tested the gun past 100 yards, but based on theorectical measurements it should easily make 150 yards, with the right bullet
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Any idea what kind of punch they have at that range? I can't use mine for hunting in TN (yet), but I'm curious as to what kind of game you could take at 100 yards.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with for that 150 yard bullet.
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David,
The only bullet I've tested that was likely to be good at 150 yards was a 340 gn from nielsenammo (on this forum)
It Chronied at about 750 fps, at 425 ftlbs, at 100 yards it should be 340 ftlbs (6" drop sighted in at 80 yards), and at 150 yards 305 ftlbs with a 36" drop. These are the theoretical figures, but I expect they're pretty close to actual.
I use theoretical measurements to get me close when actually testing reality. Theory is close, at least in the ball park of reality.
With 305 ftlbs still left at 150 yards, it will kill what it hits... The problem is knowing the actual drop, and allowing for the wind drift at 150 yards which in theory is about 6" for a 5 mph side wind
So, if you sight your gun for zero at 80 yards, at 150 yards there is a 36" drop, and 6" drift at 5 mph wind speed crosswind.
I test my bullet, and record the data on a small card that I carry with me when hunting... Sometimes I need it LOL
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I use a flambue hard case ,all fits nice and snug, with bipod, 50mm scope,light,and wasn't very expensive,
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Excellent info. Thanks.
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The one thing to remember compressed air will only go so far. When you reach bullets weights of over 350grs you know your yardage is going to be short. With that said it turns more toward using bowhunting ranges for game they will never compete against PBs at long distances. Reading and searching all calibers it seems that once you get past 30cal your range goings down considerably. So as long as you intend to use the weapons for 75 yds or less you are good past that and will it will take alot of during to get it done.
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For me the problem with range in a pellet, air rifle, etc is the speed they fly. We can accurately shoot 200 yards so if bench rest we can set the gun up for it. I am setting my Texan up for some long range testing. We will see if my skills will be of a level for meaningful testing.
However, for hunting this is not practical. Your scope does not have enough range to cover 200 yards with a bullet flying 700-800 fps.
I did a quick chairgun calc with a 100 yard zero and a 200 yard target. The additional drop is 67 inches depending on BC and other factors. These are lobbying in like a rainbow. Trying to make this kind of an adjustment in the field and take a shot on game does not seem likely to me.
Using the factors in chairgun, 175 yard target drop is about 44 inches from a 100 yard zero. That is 2 feet with a 25 yard estimation error at 200 yards. Same factors, 10 yard error at 200 yards makes a 10 inch difference in drop. This based on 750 fps.
900 fps with all factors the same factors the 67 inches goes to 47 inches. Compared to a fast powder burner at 3000 fps the drop is around 4 inches compared to 67 from 100 to 200 yards.
Did not mean to make so long. Trying to show with slow moving pellets there is a limit to range for field use. It is not due to accuracy but to extreme drop and importance of range estimation and limits of a scope.
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Well put Nick,
George
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The one thing to remember compressed air will only go so far. When you reach bullets weights of over 350grs you know your yardage is going to be short. With that said it turns more toward using bowhunting ranges for game they will never compete against PBs at long distances. Reading and searching all calibers it seems that once you get past 30cal your range goings down considerably. So as long as you intend to use the weapons for 75 yds or less you are good past that and will it will take alot of during to get it done.
though i too believe that 75 yards or less is the best and most humane kill zone with air guns with power of the Texan and higher, if that is as good as you can shoot your big bore air gun comfortably ' than yes that is the best range for ones that don't feel comfortable passed that,if you have a big bore air gun that is putting out 350+ fpe at 150 yards, and you can keep 5 shots on your test at that range inside of 3 inches time and time again,,then i see no reason not to use that range,but if 1 or 2 in 5 go in the paper or test target, forget it, and stick to the range where the 5 will stay 3 inch,s or less,IMO,personally, i won't shoot at a animal past 75 yards,because i normally shoot 75 yards or less, and can easily 2 inch wide a hole at that range or less with my Texan or my 909 using 340, 385 bbt, 195 grain bullets,and if your gonna hunt with a big bore, or a bow or a crossbow, or a p/b USE A RANGE FINDER, please,and know your weapon of choice at the range your gonna shoot well,practice as often as you can,know your bullet well too, what it does at what range,under similar conditions,well any who that's my 2 cents worth .
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For me the problem with range in a pellet, air rifle, etc is the speed they fly. We can accurately shoot 200 yards so if bench rest we can set the gun up for it. I am setting my Texan up for some long range testing. We will see if my skills will be of a level for meaningful testing.
However, for hunting this is not practical. Your scope does not have enough range to cover 200 yards with a bullet flying 700-800 fps.
I did a quick chairgun calc with a 100 yard zero and a 200 yard target. The additional drop is 67 inches depending on BC and other factors. These are lobbying in like a rainbow. Trying to make this kind of an adjustment in the field and take a shot on game does not seem likely to me.
Using the factors in chairgun, 175 yard target drop is about 44 inches from a 100 yard zero. That is 2 feet with a 25 yard estimation error at 200 yards. Same factors, 10 yard error at 200 yards makes a 10 inch difference in drop. This based on 750 fps.
900 fps with all factors the same factors the 67 inches goes to 47 inches. Compared to a fast powder burner at 3000 fps the drop is around 4 inches compared to 67 from 100 to 200 yards.
Did not mean to make so long. Trying to show with slow moving pellets there is a limit to range for field use. It is not due to accuracy but to extreme drop and importance of range estimation and limits of a scope.
totally agree with what i think your saying, but what grain bullet are you using to calculate your drop?and what if you got a bullet that is right at 1k fps and less that 195 gr,the trajectory would flatten more right?i am no ballistic guru, just a question, you seem to know a lot about ballistic.s ,please explain ?
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The grain would not matter for calculating drop, it would be the the fps and BC mainly. In my Texan that fps would be around 350 grain. However in my Sam yang it would half that for the same fps, therfore the same drop (roughly).
Yes 1000 fps would give flatter trajectory, but, you need a bullet that is accurate at range that is that short. A 200 grain bullet that is .457 is very short. Reports I have seen so far is no long range accuracy with them, even past 30 yards.
The Texan barrel with my estimation needs a fairly long bullet. However, I am going to be testing some lighter bullets to see what flys best at lighter weights.
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Give you an idea of size of a bullet when you start bringing the grains down. This is with a long nose, but all bullets in pictures are with the same base and same bullet nose.
The 210 grain bullet falls onto the nose when laid on it's side because the bullet is so short.
The bullets in the pictures are 210, 275 and 370 grains and are .454 out of the die.
I just made them up real quick to give an idea of lengths versus grains of same designed bullets.
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The one thing to remember compressed air will only go so far. When you reach bullets weights of over 350grs you know your yardage is going to be short. With that said it turns more toward using bowhunting ranges for game they will never compete against PBs at long distances. Reading and searching all calibers it seems that once you get past 30cal your range goings down considerably. So as long as you intend to use the weapons for 75 yds or less you are good past that and will it will take alot of during to get it done.
though i too believe that 75 yards or less is the best and most humane kill zone with air guns with power of the Texan and higher, if that is as good as you can shoot your big bore air gun comfortably ' than yes that is the best range for ones that don't feel comfortable passed that,if you have a big bore air gun that is putting out 350+ fpe at 150 yards, and you can keep 5 shots on your test at that range inside of 3 inches time and time again,,then i see no reason not to use that range,but if 1 or 2 in 5 go in the paper or test target, forget it, and stick to the range where the 5 will stay 3 inch,s or less,IMO,personally, i won't shoot at a animal past 75 yards,because i normally shoot 75 yards or less, and can easily 2 inch wide a hole at that range or less with my Texan or my 909 using 340, 385 bbt, 195 grain bullets,and if your gonna hunt with a big bore, or a bow or a crossbow, or a p/b USE A RANGE FINDER, please,and know your weapon of choice at the range your gonna shoot well,practice as often as you can,know your bullet well too, what it does at what range,under similar conditions,well any who that's my 2 cents worth .
Valid points for sure. I think if you have the ability of say 150 yards and you are in a blind or somewhere you know your shot will be roughly 150 yards the gun is certainly capable of it. The problem is many times we do not know the range we will take our shot from.
So to have an air gun set up for shooting both a 25 yard shot and a 150 yard shot is a real challenge. There is just so much drop between the two variables. I believe you to be accurate at both short and long ranges, but can you adjust that in the field to take a shot on game? If you can then no issue, I do not believe I have the skill set for that.
I am setting my Texan up for long range testing and I adjusted my scope and FX rings to account for the range, and at shorter range I will put them back. FX rings allow you to raise the back mount. I can't do that in the field.
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i get what your saying, and how would that come to play in a 357,cal,less mass, flatter trajectory , and less grain than a 45 cal, :-\ say like the slayer ?
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i get what your saying, and how would that come to play in a 357,cal,less mass, flatter trajectory , and less grain than a 45 cal, :-\ say like the slayer ?
From what johninthecamper has told me, the Slayer is a beast. I believe John makes a 125 or 139 grain bullet that flys great out the Slayer. However, the same factors will still apply.
I think those bullets go about 950 fps, don't quote me, out that gun. In another gun, like my Bulldog, they will go much slower.
Remember it is not the weight of the bullet that makes it drop, it is the speed. Gravity is what makes it drop and it is a constant rate. The difference is a faster bullet travels further in the time it takes gravity to pull the bullet down. A bullet with a high BC retains it's speed longer so will have less drop.
Myth Busters did a video of firing a pistol bullet in level flight and simultaneously dropping a bullet straight down from the same height. With their high speed cameras they showed both bullets hitting the ground at the same time.
Using Chairgun again with 950 fps (before I used my phone app and some setting may be a tiny bit different, now using computer version), .15 BC and 125 grain bullet:
100 yard zero and 200 yard target the drop is about 45 inches.
with a BC of .15 pellet is still going 790 fps and the energy is 173 ft pounds at 200 yards.
most people zero around 50 yards:
All other factors the same
200 yard target with a 50 yard zero is 63 inches of drop, (5 feet)
total drop from where you are shooting to 200 yards at 950 fps is about 88 inches.
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I only know this, 125 gr sighted in at 20&85 yrds,is half inch hold under st 50 and about 36inches past 85 poi at 200
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More Bullet Testing: At 50 yard range
2850 psi Fill, 50 yards... I have better results across the board at 2850 psi
Nielsenammo: 340gn, Shot 1, 2, and 3 in the same hole, approx. 3/4 inch group... Did not use Chrony... Repeated 3 times
RL 311gn Would not group
RL 240gn 3" group for shot 2-4
HS 165gn 4" groups for 4 shots. Actually shot 10 shots and picked best group of 4 consecutive shots, very accurate at 30 yards or less
Mr. HollowPoints 185gn 3 shot 3" groups
" 200gn 3 shot 3" groups
Think I should test some of them round balls
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More Bullet Testing: At 50 yard range
2850 psi Fill, 50 yards... I have better results across the board at 2850 psi
Nielsenammo: 340gn, Shot 1, 2, and 3 in the same hole, approx. 3/4 inch group... Did not use Chrony... Repeated 3 times
RL 311gn Would not group
RL 240gn 3" group for shot 2-4
HS 165gn 4" groups for 4 shots. Actually shot 10 shots and picked best group of 4 consecutive shots, very accurate at 30 yards or less
Mr. HollowPoints 185gn 3 shot 3" groups
" 200gn 3 shot 3" groups
Think I should test some of them round balls
I will send you some options to see how they do.
I have a package from Corbin coming today and if it has the correct tooling i will be making some new texan bullet designs.
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Nick,
I'd truly appreciate another batch... I have none of the big ones left, and they've been the standard for comparisons
George
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Nick,
I'd truly appreciate another batch... I have none of the big ones left, and they've been the standard for comparisons
George
Post office did not deliver my package so I won't get it until tuesday
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I've been without a phone for a week due to, "Being lost in transit". So I know how it feels LOL
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Hello George. Im new on GTA and just recently purchased a Texan. Im looking for some accurate ammo that is around or under 200gr. A little heavier would be ok but i want to find a slug that i can get used to shooting at 50 to 200 yds. I have lots of deer and coyote on my property. I can get the fox up to 50yds with my .25 mrod but the dogs are skiddish and i cant get them closer than about 120 yards. So i need a good bullet that performs. Any info from anyone who's been shooting the Texan would be greatly appreciated.
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Hello George. Im new on GTA and just recently purchased a Texan. Im looking for some accurate ammo that is around or under 200gr. A little heavier would be ok but i want to find a slug that i can get used to shooting at 50 to 200 yds. I have lots of deer and coyote on my property. I can get the fox up to 50yds with my .25 mrod but the dogs are skiddish and i cant get them closer than about 120 yards. So i need a good bullet that performs. Any info from anyone who's been shooting the Texan would be greatly appreciated.
Stevrom828,
Welcome to GTA, I'm pretty new on this forum too.
I've been testing bullets out to 100 yards... I've only found one bullet, up to now, that is accurate out to 100 yards. Most of the bullets I have tested destabilize and start to corkscrew past 50 yards. The bullet I found was either 340 or 350gn, heavy enough for Bison or Elk. It was made by nielsenammo.com, and he is just setting up his operation.
His bullets are swaged, not poured. He uses a powerful press to push the bullets to shape by squeezing them into a mold.(my understanding) The result is very uniform bullets without any air pockets or malformations.
Anyway, I don't know if it's his process, or the specific bullet design I tested, but his worked great.
I like you, and probably the majority of folks, want a bullet that performs as well as his big bullet, but smaller.
He is working on it, and should have some test samples ready in a few days. He's waiting on molds/parts, and the shipment won't be in until Tuesday... It's a long weekend Ha Ha.
Anyway I'm looking forward to testing them.
As far as shooting 200 yards, well that's a pretty difficult feat in the field with an air rifle. Sure the gun has killing power beyond 100 yards, but even a hundred yards is challenging, and is the maximum range I have chosen to shoot from. Even with a light bullet, the rate of drop is significant, with large corrections in aim having to be made. The light bullets are also more affected by wind, complicating the problem further.
It's a new gun, and we all need to see how it performs in the field as a hunting tool. There's a lot to be learned from each other.
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i found on my texan that with .457, 340 gr that i made from a lee bullet mold ,one hole at 75 yards with 1st 3 shots,then it drops and then rise,s,doe,s the same with lighter 195gr, bullets as well,only there off to the left,under 75 yards all go straight, thus i think cork screwing on the 195 gr, the 385 bbt bullets were by far most accurate at 50 yards, and like the 340 gr first 2 shots, not 3 on this bullet at 75 yards was 1 hole,also shot some 245 gr bullets that at 75 yards were 3 in one hole,then dropped and rose over next 10 shots, ;D so i spent $20.00 on the lee .457 340 mold on ebay ,and $158.00 on the accurate 5 hole mold of .457 385 bbts, and 128.00 for a 3 hole .457 195 gr accurate mold, though the accurate mold is by far better quality, the lee 2 hole mold will work just fine, the 245 gr bullets which i am testing for a fellow,is my favorite,although they are pellet type, they are very well made and real accurate, that,s all i can say about the mystery 245 gr , ;D
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i found on my texan that with .457, 340 gr that i made from a lee bullet mold ,one hole at 75 yards with 1st 3 shots,then it drops and then rise,s,doe,s the same with lighter 195gr, bullets as well,only there off to the left,under 75 yards all go straight, thus i think cork screwing on the 195 gr, the 385 bbt bullets were by far most accurate at 50 yards, and like the 340 gr first 2 shots, not 3 on this bullet at 75 yards was 1 hole,also shot some 245 gr bullets that at 75 yards were 3 in one hole,then dropped and rose over next 10 shots, ;D so i spent $20.00 on the lee .457 340 mold on ebay ,and $158.00 on the accurate 5 hole mold of .457 385 bbts, and 128.00 for a 3 hole .457 195 gr accurate mold, though the accurate mold is by far better quality, the lee 2 hole mold will work just fine, the 245 gr bullets which i am testing for a fellow,is my favorite,although they are pellet type, they are very well made and real accurate, that,s all i can say about the mystery 245 gr , ;D
Thanks for your results: We all have an aim in mind for the gun, and testing it up to the limits we want to use it, is necessary.
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yep pretty sure if i top off after 3 shots, all 5 would go in same hole,or 6 ;D Texan is a fine air rifle for sure,i am glad i purchased one,i am still learning this gun and the bullets that it shoots the best,i can't count the number of 45 cal bullets i have still to test, i got a lot of Mr hollow point bullets,at different gr.s and diameters yet to try..so i'll keep testing. ;D i have found my deer bullet out to 75 yards,and i am confident of making a head shot at that range with it,i hunt for meat,not trophy,and head shots are quick and clean kill,s and animals seldom move from where there shot.and no meat get messed up. ;D
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What kind of scopes are you guys usung? I bundled my Texan with an Air Force scope but I'm not sold on it. Its huge, for one thing. Seems like way more glass than I would need for the gun. Thinking of sending it back and replacing it with a 3-9×40. Probably a Leupold VX-1. That should be plenty given the rifle's range, right?
I'm pretty new at this, so still trying to figure stuff out.
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What kind of scopes are you guys usung? I bundled my Texan with an Air Force scope but I'm not sold on it. Its huge, for one thing. Seems like way more glass than I would need for the gun. Thinking of sending it back and replacing it with a 3-9×40. Probably a Leupold VX-1. That should be plenty given the rifle's range, right?
I'm pretty new at this, so still trying to figure stuff out.
Big Scopes are the Air Gun way... We always had to place shots due to low ftlbs... This is a new critter, but for marketing they kept the big scope for Air Gunners.
The Texan would be fine with a 3-9 x 40
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I have a Hawke 8-32×56 right now which is awesome. I had a 6.5-20×44 which was great too. I will probably move scopes around again but Hawke scopes are really nice for me.
3-9 good for hunting but I like more zoom for target. Maybe scope depends on what you using it for.
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Well I thought the other day, I should test some round balls in my Texan. I had a box of Hornaday .457 143gn been in my drawer for over a year.
Hornaday .457 143gn Fill at 3000psi
Shot 1 603 fps
2 611
3 642 2850psi
4 649.4
5 697 2725psi
6 747.5
7 811.4 2600psi
8 914.8 2550psi
9 985.3 2450psi
10 972.6
11 965
12 948.7
13 929
14 910.5
15 884.8
There's my curve, 2500psi Fill, 50 yard target... 8 shots 3" group... Ignoring first and last shot, 6 shots 1.25" group
Much better than most of the bullets did in testing, even the bullets from RL that were "Made for the Texan"
Need to test them out to 100 yards, that's what I need the bullets for.
What does that tell us about the majority of bullets being made for the Texan???
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i use a vector ffp paladin 4x16x50mm on mine, love it once i figured out the new style reticle very well made scope, ;D
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I have not read all 12 pages on this post so this may have been mentioned but for what it's worth here's a tip on accurate ammo. I had a .457 Extreme and tried lots and lots of bullets. The most accurate was the 250 grain Lee REAL. Then my 45 Ranger loved the 200 grain REAL. The REAL molds are only about $18 each from MidSouth Shooters. They drop about .460 but easily size to .457 with a Lee sizing die. I would bet that these bullets would shoot very well in the Texan.
One other note. I have now have a 257 Condor and a 408 Extreme and both are mounted with a Simmons 44 Mag scope, 4-12x44. It has side focus and dials down to less than 15 yards for parallax. Good glass for about $100 on ebay.
Love my Condor so much may have to add a Texan to the collection in the coming year.
Happy Shooting
Ray
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I have not read all 12 pages on this post so this may have been mentioned but for what it's worth here's a tip on accurate ammo. I had a .457 Extreme and tried lots and lots of bullets. The most accurate was the 250 grain Lee REAL. Then my 45 Ranger loved the 200 grain REAL. The REAL molds are only about $18 each from MidSouth Shooters. They drop about .460 but easily size to .457 with a Lee sizing die. I would bet that these bullets would shoot very well in the Texan.
One other note. I have now have a 257 Condor and a 408 Extreme and both are mounted with a Simmons 44 Mag scope, 4-12x44. It has side focus and dials down to less than 15 yards for parallax. Good glass for about $100 on ebay.
Love my Condor so much may have to add a Texan to the collection in the coming year.
Happy Shooting
Ray
Ray,
What distance were you shooting, I have found many bullets accurate at 30 yards, but few that stay stable out to 100 yards.
I like my 4-16 scope, that way when I'm at the range I can see my target holes from 100 yards. I first used my 4-12 scope but couldn't make out the holes in the dark areas around the bulls eye. Both UTC 30mm tubes with side focus wheels, that focus down to 10 yards.
The Texan is something special
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3-9 good for hunting but I like more zoom for target. Maybe scope depends on what you using it for.
I can't hunt with it. Not legal in TN.
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George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards. Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme. The Extremes are very slow twist. I think my .408 is 1:22. I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances. Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.
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George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards. Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme. The Extremes are very slow twist. I think my .408 is 1:22. I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances. Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.
The Texan is 1:20 twist. I did some testing on lighter bullets which were ok at short distance (50 yards) but not at 100 yards.
I swaged 370, 320 and 250 grain bullets all the same exact design but shorter to make lighter. The heavier/longer bullets did better in every design.
Getting more tooling today and if it has the right punches in this package I will try some new designs. I have tried some ammo people said they are shooting 1 hole groups with and can not repeat those claims. Each bullet makes 1 hole but not the same hole as the last one.
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George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards. Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme. The Extremes are very slow twist. I think my .408 is 1:22. I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances. Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.
The Texan is 1:20 twist. I did some testing on lighter bullets which were ok at short distance (50 yards) but not at 100 yards.
I swaged 370, 320 and 250 grain bullets all the same exact design but shorter to make lighter. The heavier/longer bullets did better in every design.
Nick,
I'm no expert of bullet stability, they either are or aren't stable at longer distances. I'm certain the twist rate is important for a bullet, but not so sure of it's importance with round balls.
I've only tested round balls out to 50 yards, but they look very promising, but so did a lot of bullets which I actually saw corkscrewing as they went further out beyond 50 yards. I've read that they can tumble at longer distances, but I see corkscrewing, I'm not imagining it.
I was hoping round balls didn't suffer from the same gyroscopic effects that are hindering the lighter bullets. I guess I'll have to wait until the weekend to find out.
Here's hoping Ha Ha
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Round ball is pretty accurate and cheap to shoot. My machine can make round ball with no flat spot but the tooling is expensive and already so cheap to buy I don't make it.
Problem with round ball for me is the BC is low so long range bullet it may not be.I don't waste that air per shot and noise and kick to not reap the benefits down range.
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How thick is the barrel wall? Do you think a CF sleeve would help with accuracy? According to another post, R&L sells a shroud. Not sure if that would reduce groups or not. Kinda thinking out loud.
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what do you mean by corkscrewing, I remember when I first shot my AA 510, 22 cal at 50 yards and noticed through the scope that every pellet would corkscrew. yet every pellet would fly through the same hole all day long at 50 yards. I think that maybe a natural phenomenon for air gun pellets. not exactly sure about air gun bullets
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Have you guys tried any Keith types for lighter ammo? I'm thinking the rearward CG would play better with the 1:20 barrel twist.
Tom
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I have a Keith design and it does good, maybe the most accurate I have made so far. The cork screwing will give repeatable results at a given range. Problem is when you change yardage you do not know where the bullet will land.
Cork screw goes around like a clock. The further it gets from the muzzle the wider the circle becomes. So at 50 yards the bullet may hit at 3 o'clock but at 65 yards it may be at 8 o'clock and the circle gets wider as it travels.
The other problem also comes into BC of the bullet. If the bullet is Cork screwing it is traveling much further to go the same 100 yards. That means more drop and less energy retention on top of loss of accuracy.
I have held off selling pellets to further work out these problems. I target shoot on paper all my designs in different guns and twists. Much harder to do than I expected but I have learned a ton about how bullets, twists, speeds and chamber work together.
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How thick is the barrel wall? Do you think a CF sleeve would help with accuracy? According to another post, R&L sells a shroud. Not sure if that would reduce groups or not. Kinda thinking out loud.
I ordered a shroud this morning and will report back when I get it and test it. I am in high hopes it does not impact POI and really tames the noise.
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A shroud that works would be helpful... Looking forward to your results.
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How thick is the barrel wall? Do you think a CF sleeve would help with accuracy? According to another post, R&L sells a shroud. Not sure if that would reduce groups or not. Kinda thinking out loud.
I ordered a shroud this morning and will report back when I get it and test it. I am in high hopes it does not impact POI and really tames the noise.
Just got my suppressed Texan back from Neil C. and my God what an amazing difference! He did an outstanding job! The shroud extends 10" past the muzzle and now the hammer strike is noticeably LOUDER than any report. (He tried 8" first but he wasn't happy with that.) I asked about a CF shroud but he made it clear the pressures would be far too great, so it's steel only. I can't speak to POI shifts since I haven't had a chance to shoot it enough to even sight it in.
Quiet or not, it's a beast! ;D
Rock
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How thick is the barrel wall? Do you think a CF sleeve would help with accuracy? According to another post, R&L sells a shroud. Not sure if that would reduce groups or not. Kinda thinking out loud.
I ordered a shroud this morning and will report back when I get it and test it. I am in high hopes it does not impact POI and really tames the noise.
Just got my suppressed Texan back from Neil C. and my God what an amazing difference! He did an outstanding job! The shroud extends 10" past the muzzle and now the hammer strike is noticeably LOUDER than any report. (He tried 8" first but he wasn't happy with that.) I asked about a CF shroud but he made it clear the pressures would be far too great, so it's steel only. I can't speak to POI shifts since I haven't had a chance to shoot it enough to even sight it in.
Quiet or not, it's a beast! ;D
Rock
Look forward to hearing more about this mod. How much $$$ if you don't mind me asking. Please let us know if accuracy was affected because of shroud. Also PICTURES.
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Just ordered some HIGH ARC HUNTER .457 SLUGS in both 315 gr. and 241 gr. from RL Airgun Supply 241 gr. Look forward to doing some tests in my Texan and my 909 Light Hunter
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rickjoe11 let us know how they work out,i like the 241 gr,looks good, not sure how far out they are accurate being so short though. ;D as too the 315gr.] my testing with 245 gr,was great at 75yards,as was the 340gr,and the 195gr, and the 385gr bbts.75 yards out there one hole capable for me if i top off to 3300 psi after 3rd shot.
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Will do supertech77. My guess is they won't arrive for nearly a week....We'll see.
Thought it was BAD to fill Texan above 3000psi???
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not mine, it seems cause that,s what i been filling it at since i got it,not one problem yet, except i use a lot of air.lol never got a lockup,and it rips them at first and sec, and 3 shots,those are my hunting shots, don't got the curve figured out yet, with the many different gr bullets i am shooting,have not pickled a one and only yet,but for what i do, i got some great candidates.
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not mine, it seems cause that,s what i been filling it at since i got it,not one problem yet, except i use a lot of air.lol never got a lockup,and it rips them at first and sec, and 3 shots,those are my hunting shots, don't got the curve figured out yet, with the many different gr bullets i am shooting,have not pickled a one and only yet,but for what i do, i got some great candidates.
I accidently filled mine to 4000psi, and the gun was happy to be dry fired back to 3000psi, without complete valve lock. However, my shot strings on lighter grain ammo display valve lock.
The 165gn Semiwadcutters have their highest velocity when the fill is 2500psi, as does the 147gn roundballs.
I haven't found a bullet yet that obtained it's highest velocity at 3000psi, and normally the second shot is fastest even with the heavy ammo.
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Not mine,not yet,maybe when I get the hang of the bullet adjuster,I could mayget valve lock,lol,I also have not shot 165gr bullets either,I tried a round ball once,did not adjust for it and it was at to low volocity,most often the lightest gr I shoot is
457/195, I guess different guns perform different. Lol
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Just ordered some HIGH ARC HUNTER .457 SLUGS in both 315 gr. and 241 gr. from RL Airgun Supply 241 gr. Look forward to doing some tests in my Texan and my 909 Light Hunter
Hey if you have any success out at 100yards with the Texan let me know. I couldn't get any kind of group on the 315gn, and the 241gn were a little erratic too. I didn't really test them below 100yards, but they corkscrewed past the 50yard mark.
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Just ordered some HIGH ARC HUNTER .457 SLUGS in both 315 gr. and 241 gr. from RL Airgun Supply 241 gr. Look forward to doing some tests in my Texan and my 909 Light Hunter
Hey if you have any success out at 100yards with the Texan let me know. I couldn't get any kind of group on the 315gn, and the 241gn were a little erratic too. I didn't really test them below 100yards, but they corkscrewed past the 50yard mark.
So you have tried these already Metnav1??? Need a full report. lol Currently I can only test out to 62 yards.
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Just ordered some HIGH ARC HUNTER .457 SLUGS in both 315 gr. and 241 gr. from RL Airgun Supply 241 gr. Look forward to doing some tests in my Texan and my 909 Light Hunter
Hey if you have any success out at 100yards with the Texan let me know. I couldn't get any kind of group on the 315gn, and the 241gn were a little erratic too. I didn't really test them below 100yards, but they corkscrewed past the 50yard mark.
So you have tried these already Metnav1??? Need a full report. lol Currently I can only test out to 62 yards.
I know RL said they were made for the Texan, and they might be great closer in, but I've been testing everything at 100yards because I think the Texans' maximum range should be 100yards. The only problem I've had is finding ammo that's stable that far out.
Nielsonammo.com has some swaged bullets at 340-50gn, that are stable, but they are heavier than what I was looking for. He's working on some lighter bullets that might work... He makes swaged bullets, they are cold pressed into shape, are more consistent in weight, and linear in construction. The type I tested were great, I'm just hoping some of his lighter bullets will be as stable.
Tomorrow I'm going to test round balls at 100yards... I have a 25yard, and 50yard range at home, but for the 100yard testing I use my local range, and Monday they are open, and not too busy.
The round balls are quieter, less kick, and perform really well with a 2500psi fill out to 50yards... They're also cheap Ha Ha
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I know what you mean with the lighter bullets. Especially since most of my shooting is done, whether hunting or target shooting, between 40 and 75 yards. (Just my comfort zone for safe humane kills) BigBoreAirgunAmmo.com has a Ballistic Tip 325 gr .457/.458 that is reported by some to shoot VERY well at longer distances. I thing Rick Ward "The Urban Airgunner" has a You Tube video up where he is shooting it.
Rick
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yeah i just purchased a condor and having it fitted with a 257 barrel and valve work done.that will be my long range gun, ;D
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yeah i just purchased a condor and having it fitted with a 257 barrel and valve work done.that will be my long range gun, ;D
Dang...I need to hurry up and catch up to you.
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couldn't help myself, had to feed the addiction,ya know ;D
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Well today I tested round balls, .457, 147gn at 100yards
2500PSI Fill
5 shot 4" group from single fill... Looking Good, about 18" less drop compared to the 311gn, and about 12" less drop than the 241gn and uses a lot less air per shot.
I retested RL Air 311gn... I refilled after second shot each time
6 shots 3 refills to 2900PSI 4" group
I also retested the RL Air 241gn, refilling after second shot from 2900PSI fill
6 shots 3 refills to 2900PSI 6" group
All tests were repeated 3 times and averaged.
I have found that the first shot from a 3000PSI fill is unpredictable.
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found out why my gun is acting different than others, the guy i bought it from is a gun tuner, and has done some polishing of certain parts which he want tell me,but i really enjoy the work he did,and if he doe,s as good a job on my condor .257 hot rod build, i will be pleased.now i got to get a good long range bullet, and a mold to make more,any idea's bob? ;D
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Just got the pellet style slugs in from RL Airgun and my first testing at 50 yrds produced decent groups from the Texan but better groups from my Sam Yang 909 Light Hunter. Only took 5 shots with each gun with each pellet/bullet and my worst group was 2" out of either gun. I had to run two sets of 5 of the 241 gr through the 909 though because it was difficult to get them seated evenly in the breech. Each time I put one in and pressed in on it, it would cock sideways and was a bear to get out to try and reseat.
The groups from the Texan 241gr was 2" center to center (ALL 5 shot groups) on the 311gr was 1 5/8" center to center. You could follow the shot count straight down...1 was highest 2 was just below 3 was bulleye 4 & 5 were just above 3 though.
Best I could get with the short session out of the 909 with the 241gr was a 2" group ctc, but with the 311gr I achieved a real nice tight group of 1". So as a first impression on a short session I am confident that any of the above would have taken out large game UP TO said 50 yrds.
Actually I could kick myself because I could have put the chrony on them at the same time, but I didn't even think about it till I was done and had to get things done around the house and yard before the rain. I'll run more tests as soon as I get a little more free time.
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I shot them as well yesterday to see how they did. They did fine at 50 yards but 100 yards they opened up way too much. These are an OK pellet at 50 - 60 yards IMO.
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shot the .460/330 gr arsenal mold, i just purchased,my strings from 1st 828,2nd 798,down no up to the strings,average 768 threw out 7 shots,but, they are my most accurate bullets yet, out to 97 yards,couldn't squeeze 3 more feet, the 1 st shot is over 500 fpe,key here is. 460 pure lead,kick like Texas mule, bullet adjuster set to 3/4, found out how to get valve lock at 3300 psi, set bullet adjuster at 3/4 and shoot 457/250 gr. bullets, put it back to 1/2 and at 3300 psi fill, no more valve lock,i lose 11 fps on the 460/340 but heck who cares,from now on when i buy any mold for the Texan, i'm going .460 and using pure lead.i was worried using .460 as a diameter might not do to good, nope, got more power and the accuracy is great now the 457/250 gr i molded from a accurate made mold were good too, but not as tight a 3 shot group as the 460.340 at 97 yards,there best fps was 878, 1st shot, for 428 fpe. still drop just about any thing you hit with it, and accurate enough at 97 yards for a heart/lung shot, the 460.330. head shot accurate for me from shooting stix, and a safety bar on the 2 man fat man tree stand. i don't shoot from a bench,never found one in the woods to shoot from,lol nielsenammo you make bullet molds? try a .460 diameter mold with pure led, see what you get, i shot 330 gr, it,s not the gr, its the diameter that i think works better, least in mine it doe's.all i can say is WOW.to the 460/330 , also i zero'd my gun at 97 yards,and at 50 i aim under my target 4 dots,try it.is all i can say.you will be [wow]d too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I don't make bullet molds I swage the pellets from cold lead and it is pressed with my hydraulic press. The machine is my picture on my profile.
I will have a new tool I need to make better ammo for the texan. I have some super accurate ammo for 25 that we are wrapping up testing on and then will offer them for sale. Texan ammo is about a month out depending when I get my tooling.
Do you have pics of your groups?
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I think he doesn't have a camera. ;)
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I think he doesn't have a camera. ;)
got camera,s but did not use it this time out, could not down load what i video,d last time out said it was to big a down load,wasn't out to get groupings this time cause did not know if .460/330 bullets would even shoot out of the gun,my shooting property i/e [the getaway]is 100 miles from my home,and i go there 2 to 3 times a month,use up all my air and well this time 275 shots or so,and then drive back home,,once i figure out how my video camera shoots still pic's i will post them for you guys,the Texan really work's well with .460 diameter bullets,guess the tighter fit seals better, all i know is when i buy a mold now for the Texan,it will be a .460,and i don't size my bullets at all.
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Was not doubting your shooting. Just no closeups of the breech and valve yet.
Marko
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shot the .460/330 gr arsenal mold, i just purchased,my strings from 1st 828,2nd 798,down no up to the strings,average 768 threw out 7 shots,but, they are my most accurate bullets yet, out to 97 yards,couldn't squeeze 3 more feet, the 1 st shot is over 500 fpe,key here is. 460 pure lead,kick like Texas mule, bullet adjuster set to 3/4, found out how to get valve lock at 3300 psi, set bullet adjuster at 3/4 and shoot 457/250 gr. bullets, put it back to 1/2 and at 3300 psi fill, no more valve lock,i lose 11 fps on the 460/340 but heck who cares,from now on when i buy any mold for the Texan, i'm going .460 and using pure lead.i was worried using .460 as a diameter might not do to good, nope, got more power and the accuracy is great now the 457/250 gr i molded from a accurate made mold were good too, but not as tight a 3 shot group as the 460.340 at 97 yards,there best fps was 878, 1st shot, for 428 fpe. still drop just about any thing you hit with it, and accurate enough at 97 yards for a heart/lung shot, the 460.330. head shot accurate for me from shooting stix, and a safety bar on the 2 man fat man tree stand. i don't shoot from a bench,never found one in the woods to shoot from,lol nielsenammo you make bullet molds? try a .460 diameter mold with pure led, see what you get, i shot 330 gr, it,s not the gr, its the diameter that i think works better, least in mine it doe's.all i can say is WOW.to the 460/330 , also i zero'd my gun at 97 yards,and at 50 i aim under my target 4 dots,try it.is all i can say.you will be [wow]d too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Every time I read what you're doing with the Texan, I get more and more pumped up for deer season
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Is anyone noticing any POI shifts from day to day or from hold techniques like there little brothers are known for?
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Is anyone noticing any POI shifts from day to day or from hold techniques like there little brothers are known for?
Nope
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Is anyone noticing any POI shifts from day to day or from hold techniques like there little brothers are known for?
Also,
When shooting over about 300gn projectiles, it kicks like a 30/30, not like a PCP. Hold it firmly, and keep a good distance from the scope.
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TX00501, Guess that makes me part of the Texan club. Need some odds and ends and then off to Western Maryland for some fun. Keep you posted.
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TX00501, Guess that makes me part of the Texan club. Need some odds and ends and then off to Western Maryland for some fun. Keep you posted.
Let us know how it goes. I'm very interested .
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congrats Walter,your gonna have a ball,if you get a chance try a 460/330 gr bullet in the Texan, there shooting 505 fpe in mine and very accurate,head shot accurate out to 97 yards,also learn the bullet adjuster, i set mine at 1/2, and that works well with 195 gr up to 340 gr bullets, ;D
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congrats Walter,your gonna have a ball,if you get a chance try a 460/330 gr bullet in the Texan, there shooting 505 fpe in mine and very accurate,head shot accurate out to 97 yards,also learn the bullet adjuster, i set mine at 1/2, and that works well with 195 gr up to 340 gr bullets, ;D
quote The .460/330 got my attention, going try it, if I can hit a pellet tin @87 yards then I'm golden. Lots of critters to tame so the turkey population may increase, wish me luck and I will let you all know which bullet shoot best out of my Texan.
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Sorry supertech 77, I attached my post to your quote , chalk it up to old *art syndrome LOL.
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George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards. Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme. The Extremes are very slow twist. I think my .408 is 1:22. I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances. Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.
The Texan is 1:20 twist. I did some testing on lighter bullets which were ok at short distance (50 yards) but not at 100 yards.
I swaged 370, 320 and 250 grain bullets all the same exact design but shorter to make lighter. The heavier/longer bullets did better in every design.
Nick,
I'm no expert of bullet stability, they either are or aren't stable at longer distances. I'm certain the twist rate is important for a bullet, but not so sure of it's importance with round balls.
I've only tested round balls out to 50 yards, but they look very promising, but so did a lot of bullets which I actually saw corkscrewing as they went further out beyond 50 yards. I've read that they can tumble at longer distances, but I see corkscrewing, I'm not imagining it.
I was hoping round balls didn't suffer from the same gyroscopic effects that are hindering the lighter bullets. I guess I'll have to wait until the weekend to find out.
Here's hoping Ha Ha
For you guys' FYI, HECK YES Twist rate is super important when shooting RB's.
Slower the better. 1-20" is the FASTEST in many big bore that they can still travel down and remain pretty accurate. Thats just based on what i've seen in numerous big bores with slow and fast twist rates and many 25 cal pellet shooters with 1-17" twist (not so accurate).
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The Hornaday Round Balls still made good groups at 100 yards when I tested at that range... about 4" groups of 5 shots, untethered, with a 2500PSI fill.
I was impressed, they were better than many of the bullets I've tested.
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Sorry supertech 77, I attached my post to your quote , chalk it up to old *art syndrome LOL.
not a problem brother,us ol arts are fully aware of muck ups, just buy a Texan and shoot on brother, you will be in your happy happy, happy place.
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So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.
Marko
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So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.
Marko
Have a look at the Slayer, it has the features you want and Tom is planning to make a .45 version.
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So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.
Marko
oh and a lot of power,ya forgot that.
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So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.
Marko
oh and a lot of power,ya forgot that.
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We'll see about it when the 45 gets out, but it's still butt ugly. And what comes to the tex, the accuracy reports I'm seeing are poor at best. Nothing to do with power if you can't hit a broadside of a barn with it.
And rkr, I have my own valve already at proto stage for my .357, and drawings for the savage and fury valve. Both are assisted valves, try and open 22mm valve with a hammer alone...
Marko
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mjp, don't know how small the barns your shooting at are, lol, don't know where you get your accuracy reports :o, but if one can hit a 2 inch square at 97 yards time and time again ;D, with over 505 fpe out of the muzzle :o ,with a 457/385 and a 460/330 then i would be hunter content 8),these guns were not made for shooting paper targets ??? ,they were made to knock the heck out of what ever they hit while hunting :o, and leave a wound channel most any animal could not survive :( ,so if you want to put down the a/f Texan,if you have actually shot one for anytime,then that's your right, but as for me and most owners whom shoot there's as often as possible,because its fun, its powerful, and they get better with it,and i think mine is beautiful :'( as for the slayer, top quality ,very accurate and twice as much as a Texan,i will own one of them soon too,not in 45 cal,maybe 357,but thanks for your input. ;D
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The Hornaday Round Balls still made good groups at 100 yards when I tested at that range... about 4" groups of 5 shots, untethered, with a 2500PSI fill.
I was impressed, they were better than many of the bullets I've tested.
Roundballs can be a great Airgun round
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We'll see about it when the 45 gets out, but it's still butt ugly. And what comes to the tex, the accuracy reports I'm seeing are poor at best. Nothing to do with power if you can't hit a broadside of a barn with it.
And rkr, I have my own valve already at proto stage for my .357, and drawings for the savage and fury valve. Both are assisted valves, try and open 22mm valve with a hammer alone...
Marko
The Slayers will be out in rifle versions too,.....there to please everybody :)
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The Texan was designed to be a hunter, not a long ranger, not a paper puncher, simply a hunter. My air stripper came in from Neil and I shot my Texan a few times using the 150 epp slug, very quiet, I mean backyard friendly. Shot a 340 grain slug that I turned into a hollow point by drilling it out and shot a water filled milk jug, not so quiet , but that milk jug was destroyed. Say what you want but I think this is a powerhouse of a gun, and using it for what it was designed for should make any hunter smile
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mjp, don't know how small the barns your shooting at are, lol, don't know where you get your accuracy reports :o, but if one can hit a 2 inch square at 97 yards time and time again ;D, with over 505 fpe out of the muzzle :o ,with a 457/385 and a 460/330 then i would be hunter content 8),these guns were not made for shooting paper targets ??? ,they were made to knock the heck out of what ever they hit while hunting :o, and leave a wound channel most any animal could not survive :( ,so if you want to put down the a/f Texan,if you have actually shot one for anytime,then that's your right, but as for me and most owners whom shoot there's as often as possible,because its fun, its powerful, and they get better with it,and i think mine is beautiful :'( as for the slayer, top quality ,very accurate and twice as much as a Texan,i will own one of them soon too,not in 45 cal,maybe 357,but thanks for your input. ;D
I wont comment on the slayer as I dont own one yet! But I will. But I seem to be pretty good with this rifle. And all of my rifles for that matter. I think in order to pass judgment one should base such judgment on either facts or after seeing the rifle in competant hands. To each his own! I love mine esp. with the RL shroud.
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The Texan is very accurate up to (and probably beyond) 100 yards, with the right ammo, and an experienced shooter who does his homework on the gun. The valve does its job very well, producing great power and air efficiency across the range of bullet sizes.
Just looking at the valve, and seeing it's a simple large valve, does not reveal the engineering and expertize inherently in the mechanism. "Keep it simple stupid", is the foundation of great engineering, and the Texan is still the most versatile large bore I've ever seen.
Let's face it, many of the large bore contributions are pretty second rate. The Texan is not.
Reviewing the .45 Slayer as better than the Texan is a little hypothetical, and pointless. You can't compare it, it doesn't exist yet. When it does, and works at a 3000PSI or less for fills, and produces accurate multiple large bore shots from a single fill, with great accuracy at 100 yards, we can start comparing reviews.
"That's all for now folks", "Beep beep"
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I apologize if I offended anyone, it may be one fine hunting rig, but for me I lost interest with it for founding out what's inside. Was hoping for a fine low recoil hammer system out of it from the pleminery hype of a revolutionary new valve design that was advertised before it came out. So it would have been fine specimen for smaller barrel and long range, but now I don't want one. It's illegal to hunt here with ag.
And everyone speaks for accuracy but where are the groups, and I'm not interested in 100yds. So just another hunting rig, as fine as it may be for that.
And to get slayer to eu, with tightening gun law in here... I do hope Tom makes a fine rifle version, his craftsmanship is good, but pup not my thing.
Marko
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The Texan valve is revolutionary in performance compared to its competition. I have found it to be almost self-regulating, producing FPS strings that are unheard of in large caliber big bores. It may look simple, but it provides a very elegant solution.
Great accuracy at 100 yards is extreme accuracy at 50 yards.
However, it would be really hard to get this gun into Europe legally
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Only thing making it hard to get here Europe or at least in Finland is changed law. Over 6.35mm airguns need licence 12.1.15. Nothing to do with power. We have chaps here who got well over 1000 J airguns here. They just need to report those airguns to official 12.1.15-12.1.16 timeline
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Hello everyone! Fellow Texan owner here.. Just wanted to chime in and ask a couple questions about the RL Airgun shroud for the Texan. With the hunter arc .457 241 gr without shroud i was getting 4-5" groups at 50yds and when i installed shroud they were 1.5" at 50 yds for 5 shots without refilling. I believe the shroud is stabalizing the barrel better thus providing less barrel whip? I havent this whole thread but i have read a few pages and i must say that im right with those who are impressed with this rifle. With the rl shroud and his 241gr pellet type slug im darn near obliterating crows at 70 yards and like i said, before shroud they grouped horrible. Havent tried much else as far as ammo cause im saving for a .257 rig Josh Porter is building me so im excited to see if anyone else is getting good or even better results with this shroud. I know Neil Clague makes one but im not sure on its performance since its such a simple slip on slip off design without any internal mounting or threading to attach to?
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i just got one of those rlairgun Texan shroud,s have not got the chance to test it yet,but sure is well built,nice fit, very long, and mjp,Texan group,s will be in the hunting gate,lol, just look :o for some really dead critters and animals, with rather large holes in and out of them,not for the faint of heart,and when ya hit those grows,i bet that was a puff feathers and blood everywhere :o,,as for the shroud i will be testing it soon with some 460/330 gr and some 457/385 gr bbts,will let ya know if there is a difference from before the shroud p.o.i, and heck mjp, were not thin skin, no feelings got hurt,hope i haven't hurt yours , your expressing your opinion i am down with that brother, ;D
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Sad as it is to admit, I have had my Texan for over a month and still have yet to shoot the darn thing. So looking forward to breaking it in, just gotta find the time.
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Sad as it is to admit, I have had my Texan for over a month and still have yet to shoot the darn thing. So looking forward to breaking it in, just gotta find the time.
So sad. You better get to it...or send it to me and I will break it in for you. :)
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Sad as it is to admit, I have had my Texan for over a month and still have yet to shoot the darn thing. So looking forward to breaking it in, just gotta find the time.
you got to be as restless as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs,dude,gets some gun[Texan] time,its a sanity thing, lol
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Dave, if you have time for a cup of coffee you have time to pop off a shot. I wanted to shoot mine so bad I took it out on the deck and shot a round into the ground at half power then, tried to dig the bullet up, never did find it. I know it's not sighting in or shooting at targets but there is great satisfaction in pulling the trigger. ;) Do it!
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I have put a couple hundred 156 gr. RB, 200 gr maxi, 405 gr 45/70 slug hollow base lee mold. The RB shoots the best out to 50 yards , which is all I've tried so far. at 25 yds they group in a cluster at 50 about 1 1/3 inch. This could be me and the scope as I have a 1-4 power scope with heavy duplex crosshairs. The 200 gr is the next best at both 25&50. I used a taper tool and opened up the last band in the lee die to .460 so when I cast it is larger then the rest at .454. Then I size it to .457 on a lube/sizer this allows a tight seal. The .405 slug shoots ok and cast large enough to size to .457 barely. All are cast with soft lead , unknown if pure but very soft.
These .405 gr. slug, shoots low even at 25 yds. But OH what a kabow they make. I hung a flak jacket from the DRMO on my pellet back stop in order to avoid shoot thru. And because the slugs catch in the front Kevlar panel I get most all the lead back to remelt . Have not done the chrono so can't tell the fps but I am sure it will knock a deer A over Tea kettle. no problems at all except it does use a lot of air.
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I spoke with Corbin who is making my dies for .457 and he told me they were working on them, that was on 10/11/15 so I am hoping they will be coming next week. He should be sending me most calibers I have ordered next week.
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I spoke with Corbin who is making my dies for .457 and he told me they were working on them, that was on 10/11/15 so I am hoping they will be coming next week. He should be sending me most calibers I have ordered next week.
Oh, yeah! .217's for me to play with!
Joe
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I spoke with Corbin who is making my dies for .457 and he told me they were working on them, that was on 10/11/15 so I am hoping they will be coming next week. He should be sending me most calibers I have ordered next week.
Oh, yeah! .217's for me to play with!
Joe
Wow it's all about you Joe!!
Lol
Dave
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I spoke with Corbin who is making my dies for .457 and he told me they were working on them, that was on 10/11/15 so I am hoping they will be coming next week. He should be sending me most calibers I have ordered next week.
Looking forward to your products in .457
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Dave, if you have time for a cup of coffee you have time to pop off a shot. I wanted to shoot mine so bad I took it out on the deck and shot a round into the ground at half power then, tried to dig the bullet up, never did find it. I know it's not sighting in or shooting at targets but there is great satisfaction in pulling the trigger. ;) Do it!
My concern is the volume. I live in a quiet subdivision. How loud is the Texan, really? If it sounds anything at all like a firearm, I'd rather not shoot it in my neighborhood.
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My .257 sounds much like a .38 special without the LDC in place. MUCH louder than a .22 Long Rifle. If that helps at all.
Knife
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I remember when we bought ram springers, look where you are now. LMBO this is an addiction, I am right behind you... Quit buying airguns LMBO.
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Dave, if you have time for a cup of coffee you have time to pop off a shot. I wanted to shoot mine so bad I took it out on the deck and shot a round into the ground at half power then, tried to dig the bullet up, never did find it. I know it's not sighting in or shooting at targets but there is great satisfaction in pulling the trigger. ;) Do it!
My concern is the volume. I live in a quiet subdivision. How loud is the Texan, really? If it sounds anything at all like a firearm, I'd rather not shoot it in my neighborhood.
It's very loud
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On the plus side, I got my new Air Venturi CF tank today. That will help. Might get it filled this weekend and finally take the Texan out for a spin.
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David, with The LDC attached shooting 150 grain slugs my neighbors cannot hear the gun fire 25 feet away, actually I cannot hear it , I can hear the slug slam into the dirt and feel the earth shake. The LDC I'm using was made by Neil Cl ague and weighs a few ounces and adds 10 inches to the gun, very cool. 8)
Dave, if you have time for a cup of coffee you have time to pop off a shot. I wanted to shoot mine so bad I took it out on the deck and shot a round into the ground at half power then, tried to dig the bullet up, never did find it. I know it's not sighting in or shooting at targets but there is great satisfaction in pulling the trigger. ;) Do it!
My concern is the volume. I live in a quiet subdivision. How loud is the Texan, really? If it sounds anything at all like a firearm, I'd rather not shoot it in my neighborhood.
It's very loud
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Do you have a link where I could go to check it out?
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yep, got to shoot mine with the rlairguns shroud, your absolutely right, groups tighten up, is very quite with the 460/330 gr and has picked up 65 fps,must be the length of the shroud helping keep more air in barrel longer,i totally love this gun, more and more i was shooting the lid to a aspirin bottle at 75 yards that i tied onto a piece or mono-filament 50 lb test line ,hit twice in the center still shot,and off to the right while it was spinning and it was in piece's,yeah its accurate,very accurate,recoil was less too with the shroud,still after owning this gun for a while now and shooting it a lot, it still WOW,s me..get sum joe.
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yep, got to shoot mine with the rlairguns shroud, your absolutely right, groups tighten up, is very quite with the 460/330 gr and has picked up 65 fps,must be the length of the shroud helping keep more air in barrel longer,i totally love this gun, more and more i was shooting the lid to a aspirin bottle at 75 yards that i tied onto a piece or mono-filament 50 lb test line ,hit twice in the center still shot,and off to the right while it was spinning and it was in piece's,yeah its accurate,very accurate,recoil was less too with the shroud,still after owning this gun for a while now and shooting it a lot, it still WOW,s me..get sum joe.
Gosh Darn it! I will get sum...next year...just rub some more salt and vinegar on that open, festering wound!
Joe---Texan bound next year...to be continued...
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well then, that's good for Joe, because Joe will find bliss in his happy place after all,and i will give you a secret when you do finally get one,that will make your shooting of the Texan,unbelievably accurate,and fun, :o
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Do you have a link where I could go to check it out?
http://petersoncorner.com/clague/gallery.htm (http://petersoncorner.com/clague/gallery.htm)
I use this one and its great--- http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/texan-shroud/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/texan-shroud/) this design helps stabilize the barrel
you may try these gents out as well--- http://www.tko22.com/index.html (http://www.tko22.com/index.html)
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well then, that's good for Joe, because Joe will find bliss in his happy place after all,and i will give you a secret when you do finally get one,that will make your shooting of the Texan,unbelievably accurate,and fun, :o
Oh, thank you, honorable one.
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well then, that's good for Joe, because Joe will find bliss in his happy place after all,and i will give you a secret when you do finally get one,that will make your shooting of the Texan,unbelievably accurate,and fun, :o
Oh, thank you, honorable one.
welcome brother joe
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Hey guys, can anyone tell me how Neils shroud or R&L's shroud fit over the Texan? Is it user friendly or need to be sent out. Wife wanting to get shrouds for my 909 AND Texan. GOD I love her!!! I think I have a keeper. lol
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come's with instruction's and is so easy to install,basically all you need is a Allen wrench,and make's a big difference accuracy wise and sound wise,to the good. also if you go for a neil ldc for your 909,if it is a single tube, you will need to use the factory fill set up, not the foster,or you will have to remove the ldc to fill the gun,twin tube,s no problem.
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Thanks for the reply Supertech77. Instructions from Neil on Texan? My 909 is a twin tube 290cc not the 500cc. I'm guessing I'll get both from Neil. He needs me to verify 5/8-18 or 16mm thread. He said they made it in both. Need to make a trip to hardware store with cap to verify for sure.
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Thanks for the reply Supertech77. Instructions from Neil on Texan? My 909 is a twin tube 290cc not the 500cc. I'm guessing I'll get both from Neil. He needs me to verify 5/8-18 or 16mm thread. He said they made it in both. Need to make a trip to hardware store with cap to verify for sure.
don't know about a Neil shroud for the Texan, i have the r&l airguns one for my Texan, and it fits perfect,make's the gun even longer,but soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo quite and more accurate,with a fps increase,
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I have the R&L shroud as does my friend and we both like it so far. I have shot so much different ammo I can not tell you if it is more accurate with or without it, but it seems at a minimum the accuracy is as good with it as it is without it.
It does make it very long but it really reduces the noise a lot.
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I'll give an update with Neils LDC when it arrives. ;) ...........just ordered, should be a couple weeks maybe 3-4 with shipping and payment verification blah blah blah. STOKED. Look forward to a more quiet Texan and 909 Twin tube 45 Yanger
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I do not have a Texan, it does look like one great rifle. However, when folks talk about shooting them in a neighborhood, I tend to cringe. I know there are all kinds of neighborhoods, but please consider that you are firing a round equivalent to a .45 LC and could be approaching a .45/70. Things can go wrong and accidents happen. I do not think the police would consider the Texan as a BB rifle.
It would seem a shooting range would be a better place.
Sorry, my NRA Range Safety training kicking in.
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Hey Rayc384, just so you are aware, my personal shooting done on my property involves living in the country with acres of wooded land with my nearest neighbor being a quarter mile away and I utilize targets, hills, trees for safe fire. I appreciate your concern regarding an airgun with the power of the Texan, but I would like to think those that can afford to purchase these guns would reflect on their education to enable them the means to be able to shoot them responsibly. Best regards.
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Hey Rayc384, just so you are aware, my personal shooting done on my property involves living in the country with acres of wooded land with my nearest neighbor being a quarter mile away and I utilize targets, hills, trees for safe fire. I appreciate your concern regarding an airgun with the power of the Texan, but I would like to think those that can afford to purchase these guns would reflect on their education to enable them the means to be able to shoot them responsibly. Best regards.
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Tried a few bullets today, Real 220 grain EPP-UG 150 grain and a Lee 405 grain and all I can say is WOW! My first target was an old discarded street sign made of aluminum shot @ 50 yards. and it stopped the 220 real bullet. Next up Lee 405 grain. Let me tell you my thoughts were a little negative of the Texans performance with the Real 220 grain bullet but when I saw daylight through the sign after firing the Lee 405 grain bullet I thought H-ll yeah Texas hog hunt on tap!! Next up EPP-UG 150 grain shot @47 yards into a log and again very impressed , fired two shots and they were kissing each other. Tomorrow is my 65 birthday and I feel like I shaved about 40 years off my life with the Texan today, WA-HOO!!!
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Tried a few bullets today, Real 220 grain EPP-UG 150 grain and a Lee 405 grain and all I can say is WOW! My first target was an old discarded street sign made of aluminum shot @ 50 yards. and it stopped the 220 real bullet. Next up Lee 405 grain. Let me tell you my thoughts were a little negative of the Texans performance with the Real 220 grain bullet but when I saw daylight through the sign after firing the Lee 405 grain bullet I thought H-ll yeah Texas hog hunt on tap!! Next up EPP-UG 150 grain shot @47 yards into a log and again very impressed , fired two shots and they were kissing each other. Tomorrow is my 65 birthday and I feel like I shaved about 40 years off my life with the Texan today, WA-HOO!!!
Happy Birthday to you Walter! Now stay home and shoot up more signs and get that Texas hunt all planned out.
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The EPP is good shooter out of the Texan. I Have tried many rounds through my Texan and it mainly likes heavy slugs if you go past 50 yards. The Epp is the only slug that meets my standards for a light slug.
I have some ammo coming for this gun that should ready to sell at the end of the year. Tooling takes forever to get.
I was out shooting my Texan today at a gun range and let some guys who never knew air guns had this kind of power shoot it. I think they were surprised to see an air gun do what the Texan could. I let everyone from the Boy Scout camp who wanted to shoot give it a try. They all shot the EPP slug.
I told them to check out GTA so maybe we will see them here and become air gunners.
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yeah happy birthday Walter,and with the 220 real bullets did you crank the bullet adjuster towards the butt end, it is the only way i can get light bullets to have power is to crank it in, then back it to 1/2 for heaver slugs,gun really loves .460/330 gr pure lead bullets,and even more so with the r&l shroud ;D and congrats on your Texan..
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Thanks for the B-day wishes guys much appreciated. I have not fooled with the bullet adjuster other then setting it in the middle position, this is where I have been shooting. I cast the bullets with 100% soft lead using my molds, and man do they flatten out. I don't think you could tell the difference between a hollow point and one of these soft lead bullets after being fired out of the Texan, a lot of energy being transferred.
As for getting some new blood into the air gun game I have some hard core PB guys in mind and the Texan may make them think a little differently, we shall see.
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walter i mold my own bullets as well, i also only use pure lead, i got a 460/330[45/70] mold from arsenal bullet mold, on ebay and it is now my go to bullet period,it gets over 505 fpe with this bullet without the shroud,and more with it, and is accurate so far to 97 yards,and i bet much more,and it can be made for 2 to 3 hollow points as well, but like you i am satisfied with solid soft lead bullets,, ;D
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Supertech77, I'll be heading to my buddies place in a few days to wring out the Texan. The last time I was there I started to make a 100 yard range so I want to complete that. There are places to shoot from 0-400 yards but a dedicated 100 yard range would be nice for his muzzleloader friends to sight in, doing improvements on the "farm" keeps me in good graces. I really want to see how the 340 and 405 grain bullets group before I go buying another mold and if they don't work out then the .460 dia. 330 grain will be on my hit list. The 400 yard target is a steel plate located down the hill and to the rear of a field and can be shot from the deck of the house, I know the Texan isn't a long range gun but being elevated gives an advantage to the shooter. My air source has no limits now that my Bauer air compressor is up and running and bullets are no problem either sooo.... shoot em' up.
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My buddy and I both have Texans. I cast some bullets in .460 and sized down to .457, .454 and .452. At 100 yards the .457 sized bullets dropped about 2 inches lower than the bullets I sized to .454. In both of our guns the .457 bullets are too tight, although the .457 were accurate.
Of the three sizes (all from the same mold), the .454 bullet was the most accurate and least amount of drop. The .452 had less drop than the .457 but was a little less accurate. The .457 was almost as accurate as the .454 (very close) but significant drop compared to the exact same bullet out the same mold, just sized to .454.
I do not doubt the larger diameters are shooting accurate, but you may be loosing significant power from the gun by not sizing. Plus tighter bullets will most like lead the barrel faster. I have .451, .452, .453, .454, .455, .456, .457, .458, .459 and .460 sizers. I will do more testing on the sizes I skipped but I do this for all calibers and guns I test to see what is optimal for each gun.
All I did to test was shoot at the same horizontal line and see where the bullet landed. The .457 sized bullets had noticeable drop compared to .454/.452.
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Nick, good info on sizing. the more input we get the faster the "best" bullet is found. What grain bullet did you use for your testing?
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My molds are 405 and 310 grain, .460. I had same results with both bullets and both guns. I have tried lighter bullets but none shot well past 40 yards.
I am working on lighter bullets and I think I will have some options by the end of the year. So far, .454 seems like the likely diameter I will most likely push based on test results. The picture is the 405 if I remember but the 310 grain looks just like it except shorter. The 405 was much slower but more accurate.
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Took the Texan to the hills for some bullet testing on the 62 , 87 , and 100 yard ranges, bullets that I tried out were the Lee 340 and 150 grain EPP-UG sized to 457. All shots were taken tethered and the regulator was set at 2700 psi. Since the gun was sighted in for 30 yards on a prior trip I went right to the 62 yard mark, first shot was about two and one half inches low, the next 340 grain slug went down range a full mil dot higher and landed a little high so the hold over was now at a half mil dot. Shot three landed a little left so an adjustment was made and the next six shots were in the same hole but each shot made the hole slightly larger, was using sheet metal as a target. The 87 yard target was also sheet metal and took seven shots to hit four bulls, by now I was smiling. For the one hundred yard target I used cardboard with white dots sprayed on it, this target proved to be the most difficult to see therefore harder to hit the bulls. After shooting nine or ten shots I could see a hole in a dot which was now my aim point and was able to put three more shots in the paint. As for groups at 100 yards only two shots were touching each other and the other two shots were about an inch to an inch and a half apart. The air was starting to go down so I decided to just have fun plinking with the EPP-UG's. As for the Texan it's a keeper in my book, loved shooting it!
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I have been casting and shooting EPP slugs and they do well out of the Texan and my 909. I am also working on developing a 45 caliber diabolo pellet that I hope will be ready by the end of the year. The diabolo will be around 170-175 grains and a 50 cal diabolo around 185 grains.
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Either dirt e harry needs a new chrony or I need the texan http://www.topairgun.com/45-air-force-texan-big-bore-air-rifle (http://www.topairgun.com/45-air-force-texan-big-bore-air-rifle)
2800fps / 7000fpe :o is this guy serious?
LOL
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He's repeating it so I think he is...
"the world's most powerful production air rifle"... heck, yeah!
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Hmmm, the last bullet I fired out of the Texan was on Fri. Nov. 20 at about 9:00 AM, my guess is it should have just gone by Hawaii and heading for Japan according to Dirty Harry!!! ;D
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Either dirt e harry needs a new chrony or I need the texan http://www.topairgun.com/45-air-force-texan-big-bore-air-rifle (http://www.topairgun.com/45-air-force-texan-big-bore-air-rifle)
2800fps / 7000fpe :o is this guy serious?
LOL
the BS is traveling maybe at 2800 psi, but the bullet 's not much past 850 fps if its a 405 grain,if that,Texans are powerful,but 2800 psi? maybe its supercharged helium he's using,don't know' but harry's normally right on the mark on his statements,this one's a tall one.just saying,
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There was a vid on his YouTube channel, and the first shot knocked the plastic front off his chrony, I bet it knocked the crony more than that. But he should really think is this for real before advertising it like that.
Surpassing many powder burners with those figures.
Marko
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Either dirt e harry needs a new chrony or I need the texan http://www.topairgun.com/45-air-force-texan-big-bore-air-rifle (http://www.topairgun.com/45-air-force-texan-big-bore-air-rifle)
2800fps / 7000fpe :o is this guy serious?
LOL
I'm thinking 2800psi and 700fpe, but that of course depends on the slug used and setup of the rifle. Wouldn't be the first time someone posted after a few drinks (I certainly never have!😄)
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He's arguing on his youtube channel with people who have pointed out his readings can't be right ::)
Actually there are not very many center fire cartridges to surpass that energy, i.e. .338 LM stays far back. It takes something like .408 Chey Tac or .416 barrett to be even slightly more efficient. That would be over half of .50 BMG.
That guy is not thinking.
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He must be clueless then. Not knowing what is practical for a airgun or any gun.
Some people believe any number that a chrony produces.
I get numbers from people all the time. Not that far there out but enough to know that it's not right. Especially when I know what the valves can produce because I made them.
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So he is intellectually challenged.
I check and recheck my readings every time before posting any numbers to be sure. But that's so much off that even a blind man can see it with a stick. 2860..2800something960... And so on. And then he checked the bottle gauge, oh must be pressure being low for only ~900fps or that asumption I got from the vid.
Marko
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Just be sure your chrony is far enough from muzzle with serious big bore.
I think that is the reason for faulty reading, no matter if it could be slightly damaged already. If you can't measure relative speed from 3 - 5 meters then it must be wrong.
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He must be clueless then. Not knowing what is practical for a airgun or any gun.
Some people believe any number that a chrony produces.
I get numbers from people all the time. Not that far there out but enough to know that it's not right. Especially when I know what the valves can produce because I made them.
dude clear your messages,can't leave you the info you wanted,and yes you do make a great powerful valve..
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He must be clueless then. Not knowing what is practical for a airgun or any gun.
Some people believe any number that a chrony produces.
I get numbers from people all the time. Not that far there out but enough to know that it's not right. Especially when I know what the valves can produce because I made them.
So what work have you done to the Texan? :D
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He must be clueless then. Not knowing what is practical for a airgun or any gun.
Some people believe any number that a chrony produces.
I get numbers from people all the time. Not that far there out but enough to know that it's not right. Especially when I know what the valves can produce because I made them.
So what work have you done to the Texan? :D
don't know what work he's done to a Texan, but he make,s one heck of a quality built valve for a condor, and my 257 hot rod,and one of the best hammers i have seen yet,i think he built Cedric.s 257 talondor too,i hope he can make a even stronger Texan valve and hammer set up,as if the beast needs anymore power,but hey if its doable,so be it,got ta get one Joe, the Texan is a great air gun period.and the 257 condor of mine is being rebuilt by me, and using doug's valve, and hammer setup,and monster spring,trying to get him to make me some barrel bushings,the ones the butcher [ troy manny] made are a joke, as was his other work on the gun, 600.00 down the drain, that was just for the build,not the condor,i purchased the condor from a brother member here on the gta, and it was sweet,,oh well like the x,s always said, its only money honey,,,,you'll make more, lol
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Nothing for Texan. I was sent a tank from Carl to check out. Took it apart and looked it over. I see why it needs a side lever to cock. Dont know why they built the valve the way they did. Maybe for ease of making and so they could use there valve body.
Without a gun I don't know what can be done though.
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yeah i don't dare to open it up yet,i would guess with a heavier hammer and spring and one of tony's bottles filled to 3625 psi it may get a boost in fps and fpe,but why,it does great at 3k psi and 500+ fpe, except for dirty harry's that he swares gets 2700fps with a 405gr bullet,all i can say is,[if you gotta be a bear],[be a Kodiak bear]lol ;D
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I've seen readings of just under 2700 feet per second on my crony when shooting the Texan and it is because the chrony is TOO CLOSE TO THE MUZZLE. Out of the box I tested my Texan with the chrony about five or six feet out in front (surely that's enough, right?). First shot. 2800 pound fill. Had such a blast of air it up ended the crony in slow motion an I was able to grab the tripod before it hit the ground. What was the reading? 2680 f/s. Huh? No friggin way! I set up about 12 feet behind the chrongraph and found I was shooting 300 grain slugs at 770,748, and 717 feet per second on a three string shot. Now THAT'S what I was expecting. I think the chronograph is picking up the condensation blast when placed that close. His setup on YouTube has the end of the barrel closer than five feet to his crony for sure. I will say this, that Texan is still a BEAST. I took a decent buck (275 lb, 8 point) on opening morning at 90 yards and the slug was just contained in the opposite side hide after penetrating a rib on each side and demolishing (detaching) a lung. Have adjusted the valve toward the rear by one index mark and will be testing the 143 round balls for power/accuracy in the near future.
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congrats on the buck flatpicker,was it shot with a hollow point?
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Just sized three different slugs from .457 to .454., 20 each, for testing. We'll see how that goes. I was wondering if any of you Texan shooters lube your bullets and if so what were your results? Thanks.
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I have started coating my bullets which works great and if I don't coat them I lube them. I don't see any difference lubed or unlubed, I lube in an effort to make it slicker and maybe less leading. Coating the bullets there is no leading.
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I have started coating my bullets which works great and if I don't coat them I lube them. I don't see any difference lubed or unlubed, I lube in an effort to make it slicker and maybe less leading. Coating the bullets there is no leading.
Coat them with WHAT..........THANKS............Carl
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I coat with hi tek coating. Little time to do but works well.
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I coat with hi tek coating. Little time to do but works well.
>I was hoping something else........Read on it and that drying in an oven bypasses me........Thanks.........Was hoping something that didn't require this step...................Carl
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I wonder if a 4500 carbon fiber bottle with a reg at 2900 would be possible. Maybe jdsairman can chime in
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Regs only work on pellet guns because of the size the regged chamber needs to be. I have a 20 ci chamber on my .257. Then the problem is the regs don't like to work set that high. I had a JDS reg on my setup and it won't refill fast enough. And as pressure drops in tank it won't fill to set pressure.
Forgot to say that a Texan tank is 29 ci. My chamber is fed by a 68 ci 4500 psi bottle. Right now I made a reg blank so I just have a 88 ci tank that I can fill to 4500 psi if I wanted to.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Been wondering
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congrats on the buck flatpicker,was it shot with a hollow point?
Nope. 300 gr Air Venturi round nose flat point made by Tinn Starr out of Texas.
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Flatpicker I'm having issues with my chrony at the moment but plan to get some of those.Any way you could post a pick of your power wheel position to help speed me along? Im almost positive I'm just too close to the chrony but I'm testing at a range and the distances that they are letting me place the chrony are just too close.
BTW anyone close to Houston know of a location to shoot
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My picture posting ability not worthy... But I can tell you my power wheel setting was smack dab in the middle...on the center index mark. That was the factory setting and since I got the rifle so close to deer opener, I didn't do any tuning. I just shot to see where I was and left it at that. I had talked with Mr. Hill at Tinn Starr and he told me his 300 grainers needed to have a muzzle velocity close to 800 fps to really expand well. I figured 770 was at the low end, but after seeing what it was doing to a 1/4" steel plate at 150 yards, it would be plenty of power. I had heard (as a general rule) a 400+ grain bullet would require the adjuster to be nearly full forward and a round ball (143 grain) would be close to the rearmost position. I haven't shot any round balls over the chrony yet, but I have rolled "rearwards" one index mark from center and can tell you those friggin' round balls are haulin' @$$ compared to the more forward setting I had used on the 300 grain slugs. I'm in the process of finishing out my man cave/airgun room out in the barn and just haven't had the time to mess with the chrony. Hope to do that this weekend. I'll let you know.
If you're in the market for a new chrony, Midway has the Caldwell on sale for about $115.00 with the tripod, shades and IR lights. I've had really good results with mine
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I'll give an update with Neils LDC when it arrives. ;) ...........just ordered, should be a couple weeks maybe 3-4 with shipping and payment verification blah blah blah. STOKED. Look forward to a more quiet Texan and 909 Twin tube 45 Yanger
Received both LDC's from Neil and have been doing quite a bit of shooting and gracious they are SO QUIET. Slugs hitting target is actually louder than report from guns themselves. During a hunt, made a kill and other prey did a quick startle jump but didn't bolt.... if I had wanted to I could have made another kill. Awesome investment. I will HIGHLY recommend Neils LDC's for those looking.
Supertech77, as a side note....you had said that with the 909 single tube I would have to use original probe for refills but with the twin tubes it would be ok...........WELL my 909 290cc tank requires me to remove the LDC for refills, but that's ok because I get a good 10 full power shots between fills and I'm good with that.
Shhhhhhhh, be berwy berwy qwiet.....I'm hunting ______(fill in the blank) lol
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i was talking about the 500 cc 909, since it has a thicker tube the ldc clears the fill,nipple,also if you use the factory probe on you 290, or single 909, you won't have to remove the ldc, every time you remove it the p.o.i usually will be different, ;D
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Oh, ok supertec. Now I understand what you meant. Getting a little slower in my......older age. I had not noticed any real poi changes but I can't say I have really done many changes/refills since the installation. I will definitely keep track of those changes. Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it won't be a dramatic difference.
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Oh, ok supertec. Now I understand what you meant. Getting a little slower in my......older age. I had not noticed any real poi changes but I can't say I have really done many changes/refills since the installation. I will definitely keep track of those changes. Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it won't be a dramatic difference.
as are we all,lol and the African air ordnance kit is a real good kit,and add,s a lot of power to the 500 cc 909 i got am sure i can get 400+fpe out of it,will see on my next trip to the cabin,with my new croney,hope not to shoot this one,lol
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i was talking about the 500 cc 909, since it has a thicker tube the ldc clears the fill,nipple,also if you use the factory probe on you 290, or single 909, you won't have to remove the ldc, every time you remove it the p.o.i usually will be different, ;D
I'm not sure about on air rifles, but on powder burners, it can help POI shift by indexing it the same each time. I'd put a line on the suppressor that lined up on the barrel or QD mount and it seemed to make things more consistent. It wouldn't eliminate POI shift, just make it shift to the same spot each time.
I had a question about the Texan and hopefully I can get the answer here. What is the max effective range with the Texan? Are 200yd shots doable? If so, with what kind of accuracy?.
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Its doable.. You just need to find the right bullet that will be accurate at that range. I can hit two cinder blocks side by side 4 out of 5 shots with Josh Porters 314gr hp's at 220yds.. I wouldn't take any game at that range though.
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Using a 255gr bullet traveling at 880 fps from my Texan I have been able to consistently hit a 18"x18" box at 300yrds once I figured out the hold over. FYI it was 63 moa. At 300yrd the bullet still had 285 ftlbs of energy.
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Using a 255gr bullet traveling at 880 fps from my Texan I have been able to consistently hit a 18"x18" box at 300yrds once I figured out the hold over. FYI it was 63 moa. At 300yrd the bullet still had 285 ftlbs of energy.
What bullet are you using?
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The 225 gr bullets I was using I had purchased for my Ruger Old Army, they are .454 that I got from Moyer's cast bullets.
He has very good prices. moyerscastbullets.com.
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The 225 gr bullets I was using I had purchased for my Ruger Old Army, they are .454 that I got from Moyer's cast bullets.
He has very good prices. moyerscastbullets.com.
Awesome, thanks. Have you tried any others? Just got mine this week, still figuring it out, such as why folks are getting good results with .454???
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I owned a .457 Extreme. The outside barrel diameter was .625" inches (5/8's of an inch). If you subtract the .457" inch bore size from .625" inch outside diameter you get .168" inches of metal left. Divide that by 2 and you come up with the thickness of the barrel wall which was .084" inches. If this were a 45-70 a barrel that thin would be called a straw -- not a barrel. This rifle made a fine 50 yard hunter but the barrel harmonics were just plain poor. It was never going to be an accurate 100 yard rifle. I placed two sets of shims between the air tube and the barrel and then cranked them down tight with a leather wrap and worm screw clamps. Accuracy greatly improved. Finally getting to about 3" inch reliable 5 shot groups at 100 yards. I abandon the .457 caliber for a custom heavy barrel .800" inch .30 cal. Shillen for a long range air rifle. When I saw the Texan's long skinny tube I had a lot of skepticism after what I went through with the Extreme.
What is the outside diameter of the Texan barrel?
Does the RL shroud work like a harmonics stabilizer?
The Texan looks like it would benefit from a thick carbon fiber sleeve that needs to be epoxyed in place. Is any one experimenting with this concept?
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Rapid Air Weapons HM1000 has a carbon fiber sleeve on it. That's not a bad idea. IIRC Green Mountain does that with some of their lightweight .22 barrels. My only concern would be heat build up. That probably wouldn't be an issue with an air rifle barrel.
As far as epoxy is concerned, you might not even need it if done right. You could have a shoulder for it to seat up against in front of the receiver(or as part of the receiver) and have a part of the barrel sticking out the muzzle end. That muzzle end could be threaded and a capture nut, the same diameter of CF tube, could be used to hold the tube on the barrel. There could be more thread exposed for suppressor use. Epoxy should be avoided in the endeavor IMO
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Blackdiesel had that done to his Carnivore, with the LDC securing the sleeve at the muzzle. I think rsterne may habe done something similar with the washer set up. The barrel on the Texan is secured via the bushings and not into a breech block receiver so I assume the CF sleeve would need to end at the muzzle end bushing? I think Tofazfou has done it to his .257.
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What is the outside diameter of the Texan barrel?
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What is the outside diameter of the Texan barrel?
.715 is what I got.
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They do vary from gun to gun. The sizes that have been measured by NC vary from 0.701 to 0.705. Mine is 0.704
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Thanks for the measurement. That should leave the barrel's walls about .123" inches thick. About 50% thicker than the barrel walls on the Extreme. That should be a big help with barrel harmonics. And sleeving with carbon fiber would help even more.
Rickjoe11 let me know if you'd like to do an air rifle shoot as I'm also from Ohio. Of course the weather has to break first. I'm from the Circleville area (about 20 miles south of Columbus).
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Sounds good bluethunder. I'm just east of Cincinnati. I travel up to Columbus frequently. PM me whenever you want to go shoot. Let us know how this project works out.
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Did anyone receive smaller caliber Texans? Yet to see any posts on initial performance and the release date was 05/31. Looking just now see it was either pushed back or a second shipment is 06/14.
Anxiously awaiting some data on the .358.
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Did anyone receive smaller caliber Texans? Yet to see any posts on initial performance and the release date was 05/31. Looking just now see it was either pushed back or a second shipment is 06/14.
Anxiously awaiting some data on the .358.
Looks like 6/14/16 now on PA and AG.
Joe
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I realize this post is a bit old, but thought I would respond. I got the .357 Texan and it is going to be primarily my hunting rifle. Here is Michigan I have never taken a shot over 50 yards so long range wasn't a goal, but now that I have it I am interested in how far I can push this thing out with accuracy. Still seeking the right pellet / cast bullet.
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JSB's are always a "first choice" in pellets, at least for me. They are just very accurate in nearly all of my guns. I recommend you shoot Bob V. of Mr. Hollowpoint a message for some EXCELLENT ammo and advise. He will steer you in the right direction. Google him and find his website. I get ALL of my best hunting ammo from him. A little pricey.....but you DEFINITELY get what you pay for.
Rick
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JSB's are always a "first choice" in pellets, at least for me. They are just very accurate in nearly all of my guns. I recommend you shoot Bob V. of Mr. Hollowpoint a message for some EXCELLENT ammo and advise. He will steer you in the right direction. Google him and find his website. I get ALL of my best hunting ammo from him. A little pricey.....but you DEFINITELY get what you pay for.
Rick
I will definitely check his ammo out for sure. I have watched his Texan .357 review video about a dozen times now. Love that he shows the mushroom for each of his rounds in the .357. Man do those things expand! I have gone through 2 tins of JSBs and I just can't get them to group. This gun isn't liking lighter ammo. Nick from Neilson Specialty Ammo says the twist rate is wrong in the Texan for that lighter ammo at 1:16 - hmmmm...... In other posts I saw he was on the war path to even petition AirForce to change their twist rates to 1:20 or 1:24. I wonder where all that conversation ended up?
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I think you'll find that if you turn the power wheel down...quite a bit....you'll see that the pellets group quite well. Also if you want to keep the power all the way up and still use pellets the JSB XXXheavy 243grain pellets work EXTREMELY WELL......Sorry, that is for the .45 cal version but man those things are MONEY!!!!! (again accurate but also pricey) You may also consider the Benjamin eXTREME by Nosler .357 Cal, 145 gr - 25 ct at $20 per 25 count are great hunters also. At least they are in my Rex .357 and my Sam Yang .357. I will ALWAYS spend the extra with Mr. Hollowpoint though for hunting.
Rick
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I own the Texan 357 and the gun is mediocre for accuracy. I got the gun in trade because the guy who had it was so frustrated with the gun. My 45 Texan is much more accurate. Mr Hollowpoint has lots of good ammo so if you have ammo from him that works that what I would stick with. My ammo is made from a machine cast that can make them 5 times as fast with no quality difference of his ammo and is half the price because of it.
My swage ammo is a much higher quality slug than ANY cast bullet and is still cheaper because I invested in equipment to allow me to do so.
I rebarreled my 357 Texan and is more accurate than stock. I am going to rebarrel again because I am trying some different barrels to see what gives the best accuracy. I went from a 1:16 to a 1:26. As for the conversation with AF, they seemed to lose interest. Their loss, you can see Airgun Depot is now selling their guns for $835 instead of the usual $999. Tells me people are not interested and the guns are not selling.
I plan to put the stock barrel in and try my new swage die I have for 357, it has proven to be super accurate in a lot of 35 caliber guns.
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New slug coming for 45 Texan - 220 grains - very accurate
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