Texan

[walter zielezinski]

Sorry supertech 77, I attached my post to your quote , chalk it up to old *art syndrome LOL.

[Tofazfou]

George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards.  Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme.  The Extremes are very slow twist.  I think my .408 is 1:22.  I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances.  Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.

The Texan is 1:20 twist. I did some testing on lighter bullets which were ok at short distance (50 yards) but not at 100 yards.

I swaged 370, 320 and 250 grain bullets all the same exact design but shorter to make lighter. The heavier/longer bullets did better in every design.

Nick,

I'm no expert of bullet stability, they either are or aren't stable at longer distances.  I'm certain the twist rate is important for a bullet, but not so sure of it's importance with round balls. 

I've only tested round balls out to 50 yards, but they look very promising, but so did a lot of bullets which I actually saw corkscrewing as they went further out beyond 50 yards.  I've read that they can tumble at longer distances, but I see corkscrewing, I'm not imagining it.

I was hoping round balls didn't suffer from the same gyroscopic effects that are hindering the lighter bullets.  I guess I'll have to wait until the weekend to find out.

Here's hoping Ha Ha

For you guys' FYI, HECK YES Twist rate is super important when shooting RB's.

Slower the better.  1-20" is the FASTEST in many big bore that they can still travel down and remain pretty accurate.  Thats just based on what i've seen in numerous big bores with slow and fast twist rates and many 25 cal pellet shooters with 1-17" twist (not so accurate).

[Metnav1]

The Hornaday Round Balls still made good groups at 100 yards when I tested at that range... about 4" groups of 5 shots, untethered, with a 2500PSI fill.

I was impressed, they were better than many of the bullets I've tested.

[supertech77]

Sorry supertech 77, I attached my post to your quote , chalk it up to old *art syndrome LOL.

  not a problem brother,us ol arts are fully aware of muck ups, just buy a Texan and shoot on brother, you will be in your happy happy, happy place.

[MJP]

So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.

Marko

[rkr]

So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.

Marko

Have a look at the Slayer, it has the features you want and Tom is planning to make a .45 version.

[supertech77]

So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.

Marko

  oh and a lot of power,ya forgot that.

[Monkeydad1969]

So the tex turns out not too interesting anymore, once you see what's inside. Nothing fancy, just another af rifle with a bigger valve.
A bit of a bummer, was hoping that they had a pressure assisted valve and light hammer, just a big valve, heavy spring and heavy hammer, nothing to write home about.

Marko

  oh and a lot of power,ya forgot that.

X2

[MJP]

We'll see about it when the 45 gets out, but it's still butt ugly. And what comes to the tex, the accuracy reports I'm seeing are poor at best. Nothing to do with power if you can't hit a broadside of a barn with it.
And rkr, I have my own valve already at proto stage for my .357, and drawings for the savage and fury valve. Both are assisted valves, try and open 22mm valve with a hammer alone...

Marko

[supertech77]

mjp, don't know how small the barns your shooting at are, lol, don't know where you get your accuracy reports  , but if one can hit a 2 inch square at 97 yards time and time again   , with over 505 fpe out of the muzzle  ,with a 457/385 and a 460/330 then i would be hunter content  ,these guns were not made for shooting paper targets ,they were made to knock the heck out of what ever they hit while hunting  , and leave a wound channel most any animal could not survive  ,so if you want to put down the a/f Texan,if you have actually shot one for anytime,then that's your right, but as for me and most owners whom shoot there's as often as possible,because its fun, its powerful, and they get better with it,and i think mine is beautiful  as for the slayer, top quality ,very accurate and twice as much as a Texan,i will own one of them soon too,not in 45 cal,maybe 357,but thanks for your input.

[Nomadic Pirate]

The Hornaday Round Balls still made good groups at 100 yards when I tested at that range... about 4" groups of 5 shots, untethered, with a 2500PSI fill.

I was impressed, they were better than many of the bullets I've tested.

Roundballs can be a great Airgun round

[Nomadic Pirate]

We'll see about it when the 45 gets out, but it's still butt ugly. And what comes to the tex, the accuracy reports I'm seeing are poor at best. Nothing to do with power if you can't hit a broadside of a barn with it.
And rkr, I have my own valve already at proto stage for my .357, and drawings for the savage and fury valve. Both are assisted valves, try and open 22mm valve with a hammer alone...

Marko

The Slayers will be out in rifle versions too,.....there to please everybody

[walter zielezinski]

The Texan was designed to be a hunter, not a long ranger, not a paper puncher, simply a hunter. My air stripper came in from Neil and I shot my Texan a few times using the 150 epp slug, very quiet, I mean backyard friendly. Shot a 340 grain slug that I turned into a hollow point by drilling it out and shot a water filled milk jug, not so quiet , but that milk jug was destroyed. Say what you want but I think this is a powerhouse of a gun, and using it for what it was designed for should make any hunter smile

[the1stkim]

mjp, don't know how small the barns your shooting at are, lol, don't know where you get your accuracy reports  , but if one can hit a 2 inch square at 97 yards time and time again   , with over 505 fpe out of the muzzle  ,with a 457/385 and a 460/330 then i would be hunter content  ,these guns were not made for shooting paper targets ,they were made to knock the heck out of what ever they hit while hunting  , and leave a wound channel most any animal could not survive  ,so if you want to put down the a/f Texan,if you have actually shot one for anytime,then that's your right, but as for me and most owners whom shoot there's as often as possible,because its fun, its powerful, and they get better with it,and i think mine is beautiful  as for the slayer, top quality ,very accurate and twice as much as a Texan,i will own one of them soon too,not in 45 cal,maybe 357,but thanks for your input.

I wont comment on the slayer as I dont own one yet! But I will. But I seem to be pretty good with this rifle. And all of my rifles for that matter. I think in order to pass judgment one should base such judgment on either facts or after seeing the rifle in competant hands. To each his own! I love mine esp. with the RL shroud.

[Metnav1]

The Texan is very accurate up to (and probably beyond) 100 yards, with the right ammo, and an experienced shooter who does his homework on the gun.  The valve does its job very well, producing great power and air efficiency across the range of bullet sizes.

Just looking at the valve, and seeing it's a simple large valve, does not reveal the engineering and expertize inherently in the mechanism.  "Keep it simple stupid", is the foundation of great engineering, and the Texan is still the most versatile large bore I've ever seen.

Let's face it, many of the large bore contributions are pretty second rate.  The Texan is not.

Reviewing the .45 Slayer as better than the Texan is a little hypothetical, and pointless.  You can't compare it, it doesn't exist yet.  When it does, and works at a 3000PSI or less for fills, and produces accurate multiple large bore shots from a single fill, with great accuracy at 100 yards, we can start comparing reviews.

"That's all for now folks", "Beep beep"

[MJP]

I apologize if I offended anyone, it may be one fine hunting rig, but for me I lost interest with it for founding out what's inside. Was hoping for a fine low recoil hammer system out of it from the pleminery hype of a revolutionary new valve design that was advertised before it came out. So it would have been fine specimen for smaller barrel and long range, but now I don't want one. It's illegal to hunt here with ag.
And everyone speaks for accuracy but where are the groups, and I'm not interested in 100yds. So just another hunting rig, as fine as it may be for that.

And to get slayer to eu, with tightening gun law in here... I do hope Tom makes a fine rifle version, his craftsmanship is good, but pup not my thing.

Marko

[Metnav1]

The Texan valve is revolutionary in performance compared to its competition.  I have found it to be almost self-regulating, producing FPS strings that are unheard of in large caliber big bores.  It may look simple, but it provides a very elegant solution.

Great accuracy at 100 yards is extreme accuracy at 50 yards.

However, it would be really hard to get this gun into Europe legally

[rintafile]

Only thing making it hard to get here Europe or at least in Finland is changed law. Over 6.35mm airguns need licence 12.1.15. Nothing to do with power. We have chaps here who got well over 1000 J airguns here. They just need to report those airguns to official 12.1.15-12.1.16 timeline

[stevrom828]

Hello everyone! Fellow Texan owner here.. Just wanted to chime in and ask a couple questions about the RL Airgun shroud for the Texan. With the hunter arc .457 241 gr without shroud i was getting 4-5" groups at 50yds and when i installed shroud they were 1.5" at 50 yds for 5 shots without refilling. I believe the shroud is stabalizing the barrel better thus providing less barrel whip? I havent this whole thread but i have read a few pages and i must say that im right with those who are impressed with this rifle. With the rl shroud and his 241gr pellet type slug im darn near obliterating crows at 70 yards and like i said, before shroud they grouped horrible. Havent tried much else as far as ammo cause im saving for a .257 rig Josh Porter is building me so im excited to see if anyone else is getting good or even better results with this shroud. I know Neil Clague makes one but im not sure on its performance since its such a simple slip on slip off design without any internal mounting or threading to attach to?

[supertech77]

i just got one of those rlairgun Texan  shroud,s have not got the chance to test it yet,but sure is well built,nice fit, very long,  and mjp,Texan group,s will be in the hunting gate,lol, just look  for some really dead critters and animals, with rather large holes in and out of them,not for the faint of heart,and when ya hit those grows,i bet that was a puff feathers and blood everywhere  ,,as for the shroud i will be testing it soon with some 460/330 gr and some 457/385 gr bbts,will let ya know if there is a difference from before the shroud p.o.i, and heck mjp, were not thin skin, no feelings got hurt,hope i haven't hurt yours , your expressing your opinion i am down with that brother,