Texan

[nielsenammo]

Really glad they shot well for you. One thing when I report results on a non regulated gun I use a regulator to tether the gun. If you tethered your Texan you would get very tight groups.

I tether because I am trying to prove my bullet and not the gun. I have tooling coming to make some other designs as well. Hit me up in a couple of weeks. Will be working on lighter ones too.

[Metnav1]

I also tested the RL 241 gn, the RL 311 gn, and retested the 166 gn from Air Venturi, and HS... They are the same.

First the 166 gn

Below 50 yards, these are very good, but at 100 yards they destabilize and corkscrew to the point they cannot be successfully grouped.

From 3000 PSI fill (reads higher on gun meter)

Shot  1  625.7 fps
        2  619.7
        3  646.2
        4  656.2
        5  715
        6  738.6
        7  812.8
        8  923.4   2450 psi
        9  964.6
      10  946.6
      11  929.5   1950 psi
      12  900.7
      13  886.8
      14  866.4  1450 psi

I'm sure most can see a significant level of valve lock, with the velocity peaking at around 2500 psi.  This I don't see as a problem, and below 50 yards they are very predictable.  Out to 100 yards they are unstable.

Now for the RL 241 gn

Gun filled to 3000 PSI

Shot  1  896.7 fps
        2  872.5
        3  854.4
        4  838.9
        5  805.4

These were very usable with the first 3 staying within a 4" group, which dropped down, and to the right with each consecutive shot.  The 4th shot was erratic each test and would be 6-12" away from the group.  The bullets seemed to start destabilizing at 100 yards, but not to the point they weren't useful

Now the RL 311 gn
3000 PSI fills

Shot  1  823.9 fps
        2  803.1
        3  783.2
        4  758.2

These 4 readings were the average of the 5 times I tried to get a group.  The fps looks great, accuracy was pretty terrible at 100 yards, again a corkscrew flight path opened up to over 3 feet.  I never tested these closer up.

I do not tether my gun, I want to see what it will do in the field.  But even with that proviso, I have only found 1 bullet that I can recommend for very accurate 100 yard shots, and that is from my last test.  Much heavier than I need too.  If these bullets are tethered they'll go down 1 hole at 100 yards.

The RL 241 gn give 3 shots within a 4" group, but they move down and right, with much less predictability.

All these tests are done on my Texan, for my use.  I use a high quality tank gauge for PSI readings, not the guns meter.  I haven't adjusted the guns valve yet, it's as it came from the factory.

These results may differ substantially from your own guns, and I do not exaggerate, or doctor the readings... I would love to see your shot strings.

It's harder to find a good bullet than I thought

George

[nielsenammo]

I also tested the RL 241 gn, the RL 311 gn, and retested the 166 gn from Air Venturi, and HS... They are the same.

First the 166 gn

Below 50 yards, these are very good, but at 100 yards they destabilize and corkscrew to the point they cannot be successfully grouped.

From 3000 PSI fill (reads higher on gun meter)

Shot  1  625.7 fps
        2  619.7
        3  646.2
        4  656.2
        5  715
        6  738.6
        7  812.8
        8  923.4   2450 psi
        9  964.6
      10  946.6
      11  929.5   1950 psi
      12  900.7
      13  886.8
      14  866.4  1450 psi

I'm sure most can see a significant level of valve lock, with the velocity peaking at around 2500 psi.  This I don't see as a problem, and below 50 yards they are very predictable.  Out to 100 yards they are unstable.

Now for the RL 241 gn

Gun filled to 3000 PSI

Shot  1  896.7 fps
        2  872.5
        3  854.4
        4  838.9
        5  805.4

These were very usable with the first 3 staying within a 4" group, which dropped down, and to the right with each consecutive shot.  The 4th shot was erratic each test and would be 6-12" away from the group.  The bullets seemed to start destabilizing at 100 yards, but not to the point they weren't useful

Now the RL 311 gn
3000 PSI fills

Shot  1  823.9 fps
        2  803.1
        3  783.2
        4  758.2

These 4 readings were the average of the 5 times I tried to get a group.  The fps looks great, accuracy was pretty terrible at 100 yards, again a corkscrew flight path opened up to over 3 feet.  I never tested these closer up.

I do not tether my gun, I want to see what it will do in the field.  But even with that proviso, I have only found 1 bullet that I can recommend for very accurate 100 yard shots, and that is from my last test.  Much heavier than I need too.  If these bullets are tethered they'll go down 1 hole at 100 yards.

The RL 241 gn give 3 shots within a 4" group, but they move down and right, with much less predictability.

All these tests are done on my Texan, for my use.  I use a high quality tank gauge for PSI readings, not the guns meter.  I haven't adjusted the guns valve yet, it's as it came from the factory.

These results may differ substantially from your own guns, and I do not exaggerate, or doctor the readings... I would love to see your shot strings.

It's harder to find a good bullet than I thought

George

Good info. Thanks for sharing and giving in depth details. I will work on lighter bullets too.

[Metnav1]

The best bullets had large surface areas in contact with the barrel rifling.  Also the swaged bullets are very consistent in shape and form.  I haven't used swaged bullets before, but these were phenomenal compared to the poured bullets I normally use.

George

[David McAfee]

Well, I said I wasn't going to get one, but I caved and re-ordered. Should be here tomorrow.

I can't help but wonder...I've seen where several people have said the Texan kicks. I can't imagine it kicks much, right? Certainly not as much as my 30-30. Is it about like a .22WMR or a .223? Less? More? Just wondering because I'm not sure what scope to put on it.

Also, will regular 230 grain .45 slugs work in it? If not, can someone direct me to a website where I can order some good pellets/bullets? I ordered some of the Air Venturi stuff, but I'd like a bit of variety to play with.

[nielsenammo]

The Texan kicks like a 30-30 I'd say, never shot both on same day to do a comparison but I think similar.

As far as bullets to purchase I made the swaged pellets mentioned above and will offer them for sale soon. You can see in my signature all the calibers I will have. The picture in my avatar is the machine I have to make them on.

I have plans to make lite bullets for the Texan if we can get them to shoot accurately.  I am waiting for some additional tooling before selling pellets and some more testing.  It will be my full time job once I start.

[Metnav1]

The heavier the bullet, the harder it kicks, to the point I have to adjust the scope for 250-400 gn.

I've been testing bullets, looking for a light, fast, accurate bullet... Most work out to 50 yards, but I've found very few stay stable out to 100 yards. 

I haven't found a light one yet, but the most accurate out to 100 yards is Nick's swaged bullet.  It's a big one though LOL.

I've read many people claiming accuracy on bullets, that I cannot even get close to under field conditions, using the same projectile.

George

Hunting for a Bullet

[nielsenammo]

I think many of the reports people give is shooting at objects and not paper. The testing you did is more scientific and real.

George, I think the Texan twist rate is going to call for a bullet not too short. I am experimenting with different designs next week. When I find (if) a lighter bullet with good accuracy I send you some more and you can see how they do for you.

I would like to get a 250 grain to be accurate or one that will go 900 fps.

[Metnav1]

Nick,
what I noticed is, the more surface area per weight of projectile, that is in contact with the rifling, the more stable the flight path.

Most of the poured bullets have narrow rings around them that contact the rifling.  Your bullet had nearly a third of it's surface directly in contact with the rifling.  Your bullets are extremely consistent between each other in shape and size.  They travel in a very predictable way. They are simple in shape, but very effective.

I have not been very complimentary to most of the bullets I have shot, yours are the only exception up to now.

There are people out there who practice long distance shooting.  I'm sure they should be of help in finding suitable shapes for shooting 100 yards plus with the Texan.

[David McAfee]

FedEx dropped off my Texan a little while ago. I haven't gotten to do more than look at it for a few minutes, but so far the main thing I've noticed is that it feels very light. Much lighter than I thought it would be.

Looking forward to shooting it. Have to wait a few days, though.

[Metnav1]

It was a long wait for some of us LOL... Congrats, and have fun

[Rescue35]

FedEx dropped off my Texan a little while ago. I haven't gotten to do more than look at it for a few minutes, but so far the main thing I've noticed is that it feels very light. Much lighter than I thought it would be.

Looking forward to shooting it. Have to wait a few days, though.

Congrats and keep us updated.

[David McAfee]

Is it just me, or do these things look like they should be firing lasers instead of pellets or bullets? All AF guns look straight out of ScyFy...

[rickjoe11]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents on some chrony readings I got on various bullets I've tried on my new Texan.
My first post so I hope this gets through

[supertech77]

great info guys and congrats on the new Texan, you will enjoy it,gonna be testing mine labor day weekend with all kinds of different bullets and ball,s and pellets,will post the pic,s and results, right now i am really liking the 195gr accurate mold bullets,for out to 75yards and the 385gr bbt's and 340,lee bullets i mold] from 75 yards  in to 15 yards,and i agree that most people's reported accuracy with there bullets are at objects, other than paper,i'll try both,this weekend.but sure is more fun blowing things up with the beast. had some battery issues with the new camera's that i have solve now, so i should be able to get some pic's.

[nielsenammo]

Would love to see all those bullets on paper at 75 yards to narrow down what to use in the texan. A 3 or 5 shot group with those bullets all at 75 yards to see how they group in comparison would be great.

[rickjoe11]

I'll work on the groups on paper. Currently can only safely go out to 62 yards. Need to clear out more trees and place beefier backstop. lol
I'll see what I can do. So far at current 62 yards the 230 grain round nose, 200 grain hollow point and the 350 grain FP have been the most accurate. I don't claim to be a great shot but even I have been able to keep a 5 inch group off a wobbly metal patio table with a sand bag. For more accurate data, I personally will need to pull out the big bench, and my Primos Group Therapy Bench Anchor Adjustable Rest. It's way more stable than current set up.
Current set up works great for my smaller Hatsan BT65 .25 cal, Sumatra 2500 .22 cal and to some extent my Sam Yang 909 Light Hunter .45 cal......but realistically, the 909 and the Texan both have to much kick back to achieve accurate shots off the patio table and simple sand bags.

[Metnav1]

It's great to see more people getting in the game.  I would love to see more of what others are achieving, and let us know which bullets are accurate out to 100 yards.

I only have a 10/25/50 yard range at home... I go to the local range for the 100 yard work.

The Texan does do what they said it would (pretty rare thing), the stumbling block for me is finding the perfect deer bullet that will reach out to at least 100 yards.

I have found one, but it's much heavier than I planned for, so the search goes on LOL

[rintafile]

How a about some pictures of this much talked airgun. 9 page and no pictures...Is this some big secret  Thanks

[Metnav1]

There's a million pictures online, and they all look the same.  Search, Airforce Texan air rifle