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Airguns by Make and Model => AirForce Airguns => Topic started by: LEE IN VA. on January 19, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
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I think they might have a winner here.
http://www.airforceairguns.com/The-Texan-by-AirForce-Airguns-s/118.htm (http://www.airforceairguns.com/The-Texan-by-AirForce-Airguns-s/118.htm)
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Now THAT looks cool ;D
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wow, Big Bore stuff is a big thing nowadays, everybody coming out with one or more :)
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oooohhhhhh daddy likeee :)
i wonder if the sell just the barrel/breech etc.... so i can just swap it into my condor :)
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Looks like a different system, it has a Sidelever.
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wow, Big Bore stuff is a big thing nowadays, everybody coming out with one or more :)
Only this one, with 500 FPE on tap will be able to reach well into the 900's, even with 300 gr slugs. Does not say if it is .452 or .458....hopefully the former, as there is lots more medium weight pistol molds in.452...:)
cheers,
Douglas
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Meh... just have a new barrel made, using the stock one as the pattern... Oh the possibilities!! Too bad AF is still lagging a few YEARS behind what the guys on the TAG have been able to do w/the platform!
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Ok... for those of you seeking more power;
http://www.airforceairguns.com/The-Texan-by-AirForce-Airguns-s/118.htm (http://www.airforceairguns.com/The-Texan-by-AirForce-Airguns-s/118.htm)
look out squirrels :o
this is not your daddy's air gun ;D
they skipped right over those puny calibers :D
... 500 fpe ?
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Wow, I wonder how many shots you'd get off that thing? You'd better not shoot a squirrel with it...if you want any squirrel left!
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...the Texan .45---500fpe at 1000fps:
http://www.airforceairguns.com/Articles.asp?ID=307 (http://www.airforceairguns.com/Articles.asp?ID=307)
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WOW!!! Looks like there is a new big dog in town to me. David
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Okay folks, we have had three people start the "announcement" thread already.
:)
I'm combining all of them.....
Continue and discuss away. Let's keep them together though.
Check unread posts.
LOL
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Now thats what im talking about! keep the fps up there thru all bores!
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Okay folks, we have had three people start the "announcement" thread already.
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I'm combining all of them.....
Continue and discuss away. Let's keep them together though.
Check unread posts.
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Yeah, sorry Dave. I didn't see the other posts. Thanks for moving mine over.
Joe
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Now thats what im talking about! keep the fps up there thru all bores!
Yo, B! You gonna buy the Texan instead of the Carnivore now? You won't even have to do any machining and it's a side lever. You should totally get that, brother man. 8) I'm just saying...
Joe
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Those North GA elephant squirrels are in trouble now. ;) :D ;D
Airforce Airguns 500 ft lbs at 6.75 lbs... Hatsan BT65 at...13 lbs?
Come on Hatsan, Airforce has shown the way!!!
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Now thats what im talking about! keep the fps up there thru all bores!
Yo, B! You gonna buy the Texan instead of the Carnivore now? You won't even have to do any machining and it's a side lever. You should totally get that, brother man. 8) I'm just saying...
Joe
Joe you know be better then I know myself ;D No I am still going to get the Hatsan .30cal because I know that I can get 950fps out of her, but I am going to bypass the Hatsan .357 a take a long look at test results on the Texan, I do not like that it is a single shot and the platform, would much rather have a gun stock of some kind. But I will wait and see who catches up with the texans power. I'm sure this is only the beginning of this big bore craze.
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I think the term 'production' is being defined in a rather special fashion. Certianly the Ranger XP and many of the Extreme stable can top 500 FPE. This one does do it from a 3000 psi fill...but I'd not bet too heavily on a shot string more than about 4 long at that energy...and more likely only three. Guess we need some of the bigger tanks put on...:)
cheers,
Douglas
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I assume the 1000 fps is with roundball.... My Hayabusa hits 1100 with those, and 550 FPE with 336 gr., so that would make sense.... Got to give them credit for doing it with 3000 psi (I used 3600) but the 34" barrel would help.... The most impressive thing is the weight.... I wonder if they beefed up the frame?.... It will be interesting when these hit the public, for sure....
Bob
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I assume the 1000 fps is with roundball.... My Hayabusa hits 1100 with those, and 550 FPE with 336 gr., so that would make sense.... Got to give them credit for doing it with 3000 psi (I used 3600) but the 34" barrel would help.... The most impressive thing is the weight.... I wonder if they beefed up the frame?.... It will be interesting when these hit the public, for sure....
Bob
Absolutely interesting. Looking forward to seeing one...:)
Douglas
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I sure hope the beefed up the frame, my biggest gripe with my Talon was it flexing!
I even went as far as to build a external frame on a frame to stiffen things up, once that was done it was a consistent tack driver.
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I looked at the Texan frame compared to the Condor frame and they are definitely 2 different frames, so I am assuming it is beefed up for the new power.
Joe
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Man that is going to one loud air rifle. Can someone explain what the side lever is for?
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For cocking and loading. New design for their rifles. I hope it carries over to all their rifle platforms.
Joe
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l...but I'd not bet too heavily on a shot string more than about 4 long at that energy...and more likely only three. Guess we need some of the bigger tanks put on...:)
cheers,
Douglas
I guess we better start looking at modifying an Alice pack frame to hold a 88 SCBA Cylinder, tethered to it ?
Why do I have visions of WWII soliders carrying flamethrowers floating around in my head ? ;)
I found an LDC for it ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-Muffler-5-ID-Inlet-and-Outlet-10-Dia-44-1-2-Body-Length-51-OAL-/181128317158?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item2a2c16c8e6&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-Muffler-5-ID-Inlet-and-Outlet-10-Dia-44-1-2-Body-Length-51-OAL-/181128317158?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item2a2c16c8e6&vxp=mtr)
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This is not fair another rifle I want and the shot show has not started yet.
Dave
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I looked at the Texan frame compared to the Condor frame and they are definitely 2 different frames, so I am assuming it is beefed up for the new power.
Joe
Same extrusion, different final machining. I'm sure these frames are no different internally. Because of the side cocker, it has more beef in the breech area, and the spring pre-load (power wheel) looks to be a bit smaller... It also looks like the barrel bushings would be bigger- it looks like there's two grub screws securing each of them. They're on the right track trying to reduce flex, but they've got a long way to go!
BWalton: There are stocks for them:
(http://talontunes.com/Blast%20from%20the%20past/images/products/Tank-Cover-1.jpg)
(http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/images/products/maddog_stocks.jpg)
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l...but I'd not bet too heavily on a shot string more than about 4 long at that energy...and more likely only three. Guess we need some of the bigger tanks put on...:)
cheers,
Douglas
I guess we better start looking at modifying an Alice pack frame to hold a 88 SCBA Cylinder, tethered to it ?
Why do I have visions of WWII soliders carrying flamethrowers floating around in my head ? ;)
I found an LDC for it ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-Muffler-5-ID-Inlet-and-Outlet-10-Dia-44-1-2-Body-Length-51-OAL-/181128317158?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item2a2c16c8e6&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-Muffler-5-ID-Inlet-and-Outlet-10-Dia-44-1-2-Body-Length-51-OAL-/181128317158?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item2a2c16c8e6&vxp=mtr)
HAHAHAHAHA!
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With 500cc of air at 3000 psi available and a 34" barrel, I'm thinking you should be able to tune it for 3 shots within a tight velocity range at 400-450 FPE and 1 more before it drops more than 5% in velocity, with a bullet in the 200-220 gr. range.... Certainly nothing wrong with that for a big game rifle.... The 500 FPE will likely be the first shot in a declining string with a heavy bullet....
Bob
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So hear is a question:
Does anyone think the Inovairtech Mac35 will even compete with the Texan. I know it's 2 different calibers, but say if the Texan came in .357, then what? (I saying no, but that's just me)
Any takers?
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I looked at the Texan frame compared to the Condor frame and they are definitely 2 different frames, so I am assuming it is beefed up for the new power.
Joe
Same extrusion, different final machining. I'm sure these frames are no different internally. Because of the side cocker, it has more beef in the breech area, and the spring pre-load (power wheel) looks to be a bit smaller... It also looks like the barrel bushings would be bigger- it looks like there's two grub screws securing each of them. They're on the right track trying to reduce flex, but they've got a long way to go!
BWalton: There are stocks for them:
(http://talontunes.com/Blast%20from%20the%20past/images/products/Tank-Cover-1.jpg)
(http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/images/products/maddog_stocks.jpg)
Now I can deal with that....not bad at all
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Does anyone think the Inovairtech Mac35 will even compete with the Texan.
IMO, not a hope.... simply not enough air in those small cartridges.... Even with a 4500 psi fill, the average pressure, because it's a dump shot, will be more like 2500 psi.... Just look at the size of the tank on the Texan by comparision to 4 or 5 of the Mac35 cartridges.... Apples to Oranges.... IMO the Mac 35 would be better compared to the new Hatsan....
Bob
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With 500cc of air at 3000 psi available and a 34" barrel, I'm thinking you should be able to tune it for 3 shots within a tight velocity range at 400-450 FPE and 1 more before it drops more than 5% in velocity, with a bullet in the 200-220 gr. range.... Certainly nothing wrong with that for a big game rifle.... The 500 FPE will likely be the first shot in a declining string with a heavy bullet....
Bob
Yes Bob, that is comparable to what I pictured...plus or minus a wee bit. A declining shot string tune is going to drink in excess of 600 ci of air on its first shot to make that 500 FPE, and possibly more.
Make no mistake, I am much more impressed with this one v. all the 720 fps, 357 pellet shooters. Your .224 makes more power than most of them...LOL
cheers,
Douglas
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I looked at the Texan frame compared to the Condor frame and they are definitely 2 different frames, so I am assuming it is beefed up for the new power.
Joe
Same extrusion, different final machining. I'm sure these frames are no different internally. Because of the side cocker, it has more beef in the breech area, and the spring pre-load (power wheel) looks to be a bit smaller... It also looks like the barrel bushings would be bigger- it looks like there's two grub screws securing each of them. They're on the right track trying to reduce flex, but they've got a long way to go!
BWalton: There are stocks for them:
(http://talontunes.com/Blast%20from%20the%20past/images/products/Tank-Cover-1.jpg)
(http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/images/products/maddog_stocks.jpg)
Now I can deal with that....not bad at all
Here...go to R&L to see the stocks:
http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/)
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So hear is a question:
Does anyone think the Inovairtech Mac35 will even compete with the Texan. I know it's 2 different calibers, but say if the Texan came in .357, then what? (I saying no, but that's just me)
Any takers?
Not a chance, not even close, 2 completely different beasts.
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For cocking and loading. New design for their rifles. I hope it carries over to all their rifle platforms.
Joe
Thanks.
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-1/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-1/)
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Jim Chapman said he's been testing it for months and had great things to say about it so I'm going to assume it shoots very well. Too bad AF guns look more like a plumbing tool than a gun.
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It's bloody long at 48". Good for benchrest or shooting off the bipods but I wouldn't want to shoot from standing position.
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Going to have to order that LDC for my Condor... LMBO...
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great; just what i need, another 45 cal,,,,,,like the man said, i will wait and see who else can produce a cannon . lol ;D
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Airforce Texan at the 2015 Shot Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w)
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Im leaning more and more towards that gun, until someone comes out with an equivalent with a clip and rifle look.
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Airforce Texan at the 2015 Shot Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w)
That is surprisingly quite for being unshrouded and with that much power.
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Airforce Texan at the 2015 Shot Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w)
That is surprisingly quite for being unshrouded and with that much power.
Your reproduction gear is not up to the task, let alone their recording gear. Few can even come within an order of magnitude of being 'close'...:)
cheers,
Douglas
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from the video look like its got a little kick, :o
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Sounded a lot quieter than the DAQ 458!
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The numbers are:
143 gr @ 996 fps for 296 FPE
215 gr @ 880 fps for 370 FPE
240 gr @ 841 fps for 377 FPE
350 gr @ 783 fps for 477 FPE
405 gr @ 750 fps for 506 FPE
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Airforce Texan at the 2015 Shot Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnnTRkQH9w)
That is surprisingly quite for being unshrouded and with that much power.
Your reproduction gear is not up to the task, let alone their recording gear. Few can even come within an order of magnitude of being 'close'...:)
cheers,
Douglas
x2.. Ear protection is probably needed when shooting the Airforce Texan.
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How much power would it lose by cutting the barrel 8" shorter ?
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The numbers are:
143 gr @ 996 fps for 296 FPE
215 gr @ 880 fps for 370 FPE
240 gr @ 841 fps for 377 FPE
350 gr @ 783 fps for 477 FPE
405 gr @ 750 fps for 506 FPE
Alright Cedric, now you must make a Texandor.
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The numbers are:
143 gr @ 996 fps for 296 FPE
215 gr @ 880 fps for 370 FPE
240 gr @ 841 fps for 377 FPE
350 gr @ 783 fps for 477 FPE
405 gr @ 750 fps for 506 FPE
Given it is eating 400 gr slugs that it is a .458?
cheers,
Douglas
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The numbers are:
143 gr @ 996 fps for 296 FPE
215 gr @ 880 fps for 370 FPE
240 gr @ 841 fps for 377 FPE
350 gr @ 783 fps for 477 FPE
405 gr @ 750 fps for 506 FPE
Good gun to shoot the 155gr EPP/UG, but 300 FPE with that bullet isn't what a Sam Yang gets too ?
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I look at it like this: Just another platform for everyone to improve upon... I mean, can anyone imagine what Doug can do with one of these?? If he's willing, I think a lot!
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I like those numbers, I would stick with 150-200gr
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I want one
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Its .458.
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Just about the numbers I was figuring, actually a bit less with the middle weight bullets.... I wonder about the shot count with a 215 gr.... I wouldn't go any heavier, personally.... I'm thinking that if it's "only" cranking out 370 FPE (and that's likely a maximum, the first shot in a declining string) it might get 7 shots in a string averaging 320 FPE.... or 3 shots at around 350 FPE with very minimal ES and then a couple before it drops 5% in velocity.... Plenty to do the job on any deer, even a big one, with good shot placement....
Bob
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Gentlemen! At this rate, they'll have lanyards and a crew by next year. The intro will be 2 days before the punkin chunkin contest and will be held at white sands missile range. ;D
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Ohhh ho hooo.. I'm in love.. I wonder if it is a LW barrel, like the rest of them ( prob not , but I'm still game )..
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I'm not that impressed with the numbers. That's why it has a 34" barrel. They went from making guns with a 24" to 34". It also looks really thin walled and that's why the double set screws to hold the barrel in. Not thick enough to dimple for the screws.
I guess I need to drop my .457 barrel in a frame and see what I can get.
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Gentlemen! At this rate, they'll have lanyards and a crew by next year. The intro will be 2 days before the punkin chunkin contest and will be held at white sands missile range. ;D
and it would be fed with filled and frozen punkins to avoid the inevitable Pie...:)
Watching the air cannons is fun; they are well up into the trans sonic zone by now, and stand in to define the term, 'Dump Shot'.
cheers,
Douglas
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I'm not that impressed with the numbers. That's why it has a 34" barrel. They went from making guns with a 24" to 34". It also looks really thin walled and that's why the double set screws to hold the barrel in. Not thick enough to dimple for the screws.
I guess I need to drop my .457 barrel in a frame and see what I can get.
That was my thought exactly when I saw the numbers, 500 FPE sounds impressive but when looking at the FPE of the lighter bullets is wasn't so much,
what do you think the power loss would be by cutting the barrel back 8" ?
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At least 80 fps and maybe more with larger calibers.
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Tom Gaylord has an article on it and in another installment he is going to explain why it has such a long barrel.
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I was wondering when you'd catch wind of this Doug!! ;D ;D ;D
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looks nice!! my question is what about a .357 barrel for condors, OR a .357 barrel for this texan? 1100 dollar price tag is not bad for the performance thats for sure!!! 500 FPE gun for 1100....
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there is already a 4 page thread on it.
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I think 500FPE is about the limit at 3000 psi, so the barrel has to be long.. If it were 4500psi it would make more shot count/power, but I wouldn't even consider it.. Imagine out in the field trying to pump it to 4500..
It's long at 48" overall, but not seeming so after you consider that DQ is 44" and Yangers are 42".. Heck, the stoeger x50 is 50" long...
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With that long of a barrel I could see 600 fpe or more.
I will put together a setup and I know it will make at least that on 3000-3200 psi.
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I'm really wondering how many usable shots the AF is good for..
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Regardless of the 4 page thread on it I would like to see a .257 barrel for it myself!
Matt
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With that long of a barrel I could see 600 fpe or more.
I will put together a setup and I know it will make at least that on 3000-3200 psi.
Fortunately the 250 bar tank is an easy swap. Given what y'all have done with 310 bar tanks on the smaller ones, I suspect there is not much to stop you from running more pressure...at which point it will come down to having enough hammer to open the valve.
From the 'Best of Bob' folder:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57828.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57828.0)
Looks like 600 FPE is available for a barrel that long...:) at 3k psi that is.
cheers,
Douglas
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With that long of a barrel I could see 600 fpe or more.
I will put together a setup and I know it will make at least that on 3000-3200 psi.
Fortunately the 250 bar tank is an easy swap. Given what y'all have done with 310 bar tanks on the smaller ones, I suspect there is not much to stop you from running more pressure...at which point it will come down to having enough hammer to open the valve.
From the 'Best of Bob' folder:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57828.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57828.0)
Looks like 600 FPE is available for a barrel that long...:) at 3k psi that is.
cheers,
Douglas
I hear ya, but wouldn't that just be a one shot deal at 600 FPE @ 3k psi?
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I would think that the 500 FPE with a 400 gr. bullet is a WFO first shot at 3000 psi, with decreasing velocity after that.... Otherwise, they would have claimed more FPE, I would think....
Bob
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I think the term 'production' is being defined in a rather special fashion. Certianly the Ranger XP and many of the Extreme stable can top 500 FPE. This one does do it from a 3000 psi fill...but I'd not bet too heavily on a shot string more than about 4 long at that energy...and more likely only three. Guess we need some of the bigger tanks put on... :)
cheers,
Douglas
Ok... I say you can do better... Get one of these things - and show them how it's REALLY done ;) :)
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I am in las vegas for shot show and stopped by the airforce booth and saw their new 45 cal air rifle with 500fpe they say it shoots under one inch at 50 yards but opens up to around 3 inchs at 100 yards.
Looks like a condor only longer. Think its about 8lbs but ill try and get more info on that tomorrow. They say 5 good shots from a fill. This one does not have any ajustments for hammer spring like the other models. They say its not ajustable at all but then told me that if you know what your doing you can tune it. It jist does not have the extrnal ajustment like the other rifles.
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So the power wheel cut out is there, but there's no power wheel? "Spring tension" wheel if you'd rather call it that. But that doesn't make any sense... Why even cut out a hole to access the wheel if you're not going to have adjustable power- Just don't machine a cut-out, like on the Edge, or UK guns...
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Love the side lever cocking. Should be able to cock a fairly stiff spring with little effort.
What I would like to know, since they are using the same extrusion, why in heck did they remove so much material under the breach area AGAIN!!! Grrrr!!!
They could simply have left the metal there and given the frame a lot more strength. After all, frame flex has been the weak point of their gun from the beginning. And no matter how much you talk to them about it, they simply ignore this major issue.
What is left of the frame under the breach, is nothing more than a hollow, thin walled, three sided channel that houses the trigger group. There is really no excuse for it. They spend more machine time and money, for no other outcome than to weaken the frame. I really can't for the life of me figure out why they go the trouble to make the frame less than it is capable of being.
Still, if and when they send them out in .257, I would love to ring one out!
I would slap the 4500 psi tank on it and have at it. LOL!!!
Knife
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It would be a major disappointment in .257. The valve looks to be a standard valve so you would have condor performance and the only bump in power would be from the 34" barrel.
Smaller the bullet the harder it is to push.
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It would be a major disappointment in .257. The valve looks to be a standard valve so you would have condor performance and the only bump in power would be from the 34" barrel.
Smaller the bullet the harder it is to push.
Doug, we must have looked at a different picture of the gun. the valve stem is HUGE!!!
Which reminds me, did your machinist ever come thru? I mean, this R&L valve is very nice, but it isn't a Dyotat! LOL!!!
Mike
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I would LOVE to see what Doug could do to this "new" rifle...
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I am in las vegas for shot show and stopped by the airforce booth and saw their new 45 cal air rifle with 500fpe they say it shoots under one inch at 50 yards but opens up to around 3 inchs at 100 yards.
Looks like a condor only longer. Think its about 8lbs but ill try and get more info on that tomorrow. They say 5 good shots from a fill. This one does not have any ajustments for hammer spring like the other models. They say its not ajustable at all but then told me that if you know what your doing you can tune it. It jist does not have the extrnal ajustment like the other rifles.
Interesting on the accuracy.. From the vid with Ton shooting it it looked like a none adj parallax scope tho.. Prob 50 yard setting..
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The top hat is big but I would say the stem is the same or real close going through the valve.
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Love the side lever cocking. Should be able to cock a fairly stiff spring with little effort.
Knife
Knife, this frame looks like it uses the "Gen2" trigger set up, so it probably doesn't have a much stiffer spring than a Condor. Doug and a few others proved that the new trigger set up won't take kindly to a heavier spring. I think Doug is right, most of the velocity, such as it is, is derived from the length of the barrel.
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3" at 100 yds is not acceptable if you ask me.
I can get the Gen 2 to work but it doesn't have as good of trigger as the Gen 1 with super sear. Just can use my barrel riding hammer. Has to be frame riding.
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I like this thing! Can I shoot any type of hard cast .452 bullets,as I'm reloading for .45 Colt and .45 ACP and have several types of those bullets on hand?
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No Sir, AG bullets have to be soft. Pure, 40/1 to 20/1 in lead/tin is about it.
Knife
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The top hat is big but I would say the stem is the same or real close going through the valve.
Dog, blow up the pic so you can see it. The stem is as large in dia, or larger than your largest section in od. of the top hat! It's frigg'n huge!
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3" at 100 yds is not acceptable if you ask me.
The scope that ton is shooting is the bundled 4x32 fixed parallax at 50yd.. I would expect 100yd accuracy to suffer.. I will judge that point when we get some member reviews with quality scope..
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I like this thing! Can I shoot any type of hard cast .452 bullets,as I'm reloading for .45 Colt and .45 ACP and have several types of those bullets on hand?
.452 bullets would rattle all the way down the barrel :) :)
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Its .458.
Yes indeed many, per Cedric it is a .458 rifle barrel instead of the .452 pistol tube. There are lots more boolit molds of appropriate weight in .452, given this thing's published numbers I think; getting to +900 fps is much more useful than the 700 fps it is running on the heavy slugs.
cheers,
Douglas
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[quote author=KnifeMaker link=topic=81876.msg785113#msg785113 date=1421983734
Doug, blow up the pic so you can see it. The stem is as large in dia, or larger than your largest section in od. of the top hat! It's frigg'n huge!
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Maybe they changed to a blod type valve. But still the stem can't be even close to the size of the top hat. There isn't room inside the vavle body. Remember it is still a 18mm threaded tank.
It's either real close to a condor valve or its a stem thru the body type valve. That would explain for the cocking step up to over come the harder cocking with that type of valve.
They have been working on this gun for years. Talked to a friend and he said he helped fix it at LASSO in 2012. Was breaking valve stems.
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Breaking stems sounds exactly like a Blodnob valve.
Put my Vulture 45 back together see if she still performs!
452 bullet mold is a great idea. Setup in the lathe and open the rear band to .458 and the front to bore riding minimum friction!
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Does anyone know when this will be available to the public? I'm debating whether to save for this or a sam yang 909s for deer hunting max range will be 30 possibly even 40 yards but unlikley. Would the stock sam yang be strong enough or will I have to get it tuned?
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Does anyone know when this will be available to the public? I'm debating whether to save for this or a sam yang 909s for deer hunting max range will be 30 possibly even 40 yards but unlikley. Would the stock sam yang be strong enough or will I have to get it tuned?
Yang will get er done at 30 no prob
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Hmm think ill snatch up a yang when they become availble then. From videos sounds a little louder but honsetly i like the looks better. The texan does like like they kind slapped a paintball tank to a barrel and tossed on a grip but maybe thats just me. On pyramyd air says outof stock /pre order they going to get more soon?
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I was at shot all week and saw these the first day they showed them off. They were shooting 45 cal pistol bullets. They cast them a bit softer then normal but said off the shelf bullets run fine. I guess you get about 5 full power shots in a fill. There is no power wheel and the frame is modified for the side lever so definitely not going to have a retrofit kit.
Accuracy was said to be about an inch at 50 yards and about 3 inchs at 100.
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I'm confused now.. Is it .452 or 458? Would be nice to run same rounds as 909s..
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.458
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Hmm think ill snatch up a yang when they become availble then. From videos sounds a little louder but honsetly i like the looks better. The texan does like like they kind slapped a paintball tank to a barrel and tossed on a grip but maybe thats just me. On pyramyd air says outof stock /pre order they going to get more soon?
try sportsman guide]
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It would have been nice if AF had bothered to talk, and get ideas from some of the folks actually using the AF platform for Cast Bullet shooting rather than listening to Celebs!
There are fitting calibers for bringing the gun out than in a .458. But AF has proven again and again that they have the Gamo Boy racer attitude. They just simply don't seem to get it that there are serious shooters out there.
I have talked to them often over the years, and they seem to have no understanding at all of what is going on in the Adult Big Bore World. Or any Adult Air Gunning for that matter. Any time someone such as Dyotat comes up with something innovative, they not only seemingly ignore it. They scoff, and put the innovator down. and later, copying the innovators poorly. (After years of putting the innovators down!
I sent some photos of groups shot at 100 yards a couple of years ago, and they simply couldn't believe it could be done. They are still in the 10 yard mentality. LOL!!!
and they have a Duck fit if any modification is done to the Guns to improve them. O'l BB Pelliter, (Gaylord) really lambasted any one who wanted to make a Big Bore out of the guns. Now he is telling the world of "THEIR" innovations. He somehow seems to forget that all this has been brought to his attention over and over again. And he never had any problem blasting anyone who show him a better gun, or even Thought of making a Big Bore out of their perfect gun. (That the end users had to trouble shoot for them.)
Is AF finally waking up? Lets hope so. But I'm not holding my breath!
A simple talk to any of the Big Bore casters would have at least guided them in the direction of a pistol bullet as the dies are much more easily available in a much larger selection of shapes and weights. but once again, a Rifle Bullet Sounds cooler to the unknowing. But, again, it sounds cooler. For get the fact that it is shooting at pistol velocities, and would more benefit from projectiles designed to work at the velocities attainable with their new offering.
Once again, they are proving that they simply "Don't" get it!
I will bet that if Doug gets his hands on one, the first thing he will do is put a proper barrel in it! And that should not have had to be done!
Knife
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Its an interesting post above. Would be interesting if where able to get diffrent barrels on the texan.
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Its an interesting post above. Would be interesting if where able to get diffrent barrels on the texan.
It is done the same way a .25 LW barrel is exchanged for a .257 boolit shooting barrel. There are many sources of suitable barrels, it is just a matter of choosing the one that suits the end goal properly...:D
cheers,
Douglas
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Im curious to know the effective range for medium game since 170-200fbe is good for 30-50 yards for deer would the 400-500fbe of the texan be more like 60-80 yards?
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Cast bullets carry much further than pellets, so maintain their energy over a longer distance.... Having said that, the bullet which developed 500 FPE (400 gr.) was only travelling at 750 fps, so the trajectory will be significant.... With the lighter bullets, to get the velocity up into the high 800s, it looks more like a 350 FPE rifle.... Still, that is a big step up from half that, so it will have more energy at 100 yards than a 200 FPE big bore will at the muzzle.... Accuracy and shot placement will end up being the limiting factors, IMO....
Bob
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Cast bullets carry much further than pellets, so maintain their energy over a longer distance.... Having said that, the bullet which developed 500 FPE (400 gr.) was only travelling at 750 fps, so the trajectory will be significant.... With the lighter bullets, to get the velocity up into the high 800s, it looks more like a 350 FPE rifle.... Still, that is a big step up from half that, so it will have more energy at 100 yards than a 200 FPE big bore will at the muzzle.... Accuracy and shot placement will end up being the limiting factors, IMO....
Bob
Yea accuracy is what im wondering about on the texan saying 3 inchs at 100 yards? Was going to get a sam yang but think now i will just save up a little more money and wait for the texan to come out in april and see what everyone has to say about it.
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Hi guys, i just read that air force air guns is coming out with there new PCP air gun the .45 Texan with 500 ft lbs and shoots 1000 fps . ordering mine Monday !
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FPE wars ;) ;D
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Well, that Claim of "World's most...." has already been squashed :) :)
AOA introduced a 600 FPE .457 with 2 power setting too,...that rifle looks really good.
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Well, that Claim of "World's most...." has already been squashed :) :)
AOA introduced a 600 FPE .457 with 2 power setting too,...that rifle looks really good.
it was squashed before they even thought of printing it....LOL
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Well, that Claim of "World's most...." has already been squashed :) :)
AOA introduced a 600 FPE .457 with 2 power setting too,...that rifle looks really good.
Since they named it the Bushbuck then it is probably based on this custom gun they used in Africa?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnfC17OhD_Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnfC17OhD_Q)
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just read on airforce web page that they are coming out with a airforce Texan .45 cal PCP airgun. i read it shoots 1000 fps with 500 ftps. it uses the same style PCP airgun as the condor . i wonder how many shots you will get with this caliber ? anybody see this PCP airgun yet ? if it is anything like i read i will be buying one asap !
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Hmm only found on pic of the AoA Bushbuck .457 buts looks pretty nice like the looks a little better than the texan. Depending on the price and specs might have to get it instead :P we shall wait and see. When it does come out any idea if it will only be avaible through airguns of arizona or will other sites have it?
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Its most powerful "production" air rifle i believe aoa will probably build on a order bases so there fore a custom built gun not mass produced like the air force.
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actually, I hear they will be on the shelves and in stock, which makes them the most powerful production rifle :) :)
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actually, I hear they will be on the shelves and in stock, which makes them the most powerful production rifle :) :)
Yea just found a video supporting this. was by airgungearshow or something was on youtube.
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This may be a little off topic but has anyone ordered from the AOA website? to me it looks kinda funny.
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I have. It is a little weird. But I've never failed to receive anything I order, either.
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I have. It is a little weird. But I've never failed to receive anything I order, either.
Ok yea new sites i can be a little skeptical about :P but ty for the input.
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The numbers are:
143 gr @ 996 fps for 296 FPE
215 gr @ 880 fps for 370 FPE
240 gr @ 841 fps for 377 FPE
350 gr @ 783 fps for 477 FPE
405 gr @ 750 fps for 506 FPE
One more thing rid1965, .......it's not 1000 fps for 500 FPE
if you shoot 1000 fps as you can see it's 300 FPE, to get the Hollywood 500 FPE you need to lob a bullet :) :)
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Where on their site is the Bushbuck?
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Where on their site is the Bushbuck?
Not on their site yet but can actually be seen in a few of their videos of their channel.
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And some people said that the Condor's aluminum frame is too fragile and has too many vibrations to support 60-80fpe in the .22/.25 models (to which I always said BS because mine is a tack driver at 90fpe). The Texan 500fpe rifle looks like it has the same frame as my 7+year old Condors.
Kudos to Air Force. This is a serious weapon with some serious hunting power. .357 Mag power only with bigger projectiles making a bigger hole.
I have no doubt this gun will be accurate at 100yds. It should be what it was designed for. Aftermarket shrouds will be readily available as they have always been for the small bore Condors.
Harry
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Set your scope parallax to 50yd and shoot 100yd groups.. I would expect 3" groups..
I also expect 100yd accuracy to be awesome too.. Cant wait till someone put nice scope in the thing, instead of a 4x32 fixed parallax..
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Set your scope parallax to 50yd and shoot 100yd groups.. I would expect 3" groups..
I also expect 100yd accuracy to be awesome too.. Cant wait till someone put nice scope in the thing, instead of a 4x32 fixed parallax..
They used a bad scope for accuracy testing?
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Set your scope parallax to 50yd and shoot 100yd groups.. I would expect 3" groups..
I also expect 100yd accuracy to be awesome too.. Cant wait till someone put nice scope in the thing, instead of a 4x32 fixed parallax..
They used a bad scope for accuracy testing?
Not necessarily. Think about it this way: shooting 1,000 yards with open sights. How small do you think your group's going to be?
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At the Shot show, Ton was using the 4x32 Scope that comes bundled with the rifle.. Its a Parallax is fixed at 50yd.. At 100yd there would be parallax error.. That's where the crosshairs will optically wander at other ranges other than 50yd.. That's why Most of us use Adjustable Parallax (AO) scopes to eliminate, or dial out the majority of parallax error...... At any range..
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Set your scope parallax to 50yd and shoot 100yd groups.. I would expect 3" groups..
I also expect 100yd accuracy to be awesome too.. Cant wait till someone put nice scope in the thing, instead of a 4x32 fixed parallax..
They used a bad scope for accuracy testing?
Hmmm Id say 20 yards give or take 5 :P
Not necessarily. Think about it this way: shooting 1,000 yards with open sights. How small do you think your group's going to be?
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Here's part 2 on the Texan.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-2/)
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The AoA gun in the video's looks very much like a XP rifle. Looks like it has the same bolt, and cerakote finish.
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Here's part 2 on the Texan.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-2/)
Oooo, Thanks.. Even more promising than before.. I'm leaning towards buying one.. In stock in three months, put aside a little over three hundred per month.. Can't wait!!
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Gaylord said he tested the first 2 shots with each bullet, but I only see the velocity of the 1st shot in his article. Good stuff though. I hope he will post the 2nd shot stats in the next publication.
I would also love to see the results with a 300gr bullet. It should be in the 800-810fps range or ~425-430fpe. That would probably be my choise of bullet weight and velocity (at least 800fps).
I am having a hard time with one of his responses that the "range" of the Texan is 1,500 to 2,000 yards...
Harry
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I am having a hard time with one of his responses that the "range" of the Texan is 1,500 to 2,000 yards...
Harry
Called him out on that one and his reply will really have you shaking your head. Invoking Billy Dixon's name is not an answer.
No forum friendly words I can think of to describe how I feel about the numbers game in the industry.
Not surprised at all now to see that AOA says the Bushbuck is rated at 600 fpe.
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Gaylord said he tested the first 2 shots with each bullet, but I only see the velocity of the 1st shot in his article. Good stuff though. I hope he will post the 2nd shot stats in the next publication.
I would also love to see the results with a 300gr bullet. It should be in the 800-810fps range or ~425-430fpe. That would probably be my choise of bullet weight and velocity (at least 800fps).
I am having a hard time with one of his responses that the "range" of the Texan is 1,500 to 2,000 yards...
Harry
Where did he say that?
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Where did he say that?
Read down through the comments.
I am intrigued about that bullet tuning wheel. As far as that goes, I would definitely be interested in this gun if I was in the market for a big bore. Have no doubts it will be straight shooting and hard hitting.
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As I read through the blog (especially that crack about 2,000 yards...), all I could think was:
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Kind of have an idea he said it tongue in cheek now. As far as I know and if my bad memory serves me for once from a thread we had a year or so ago. There are only a couple of people with the guns and the patience to reach out and touch stuff at just a 1/3 of that distance.
Born and raised in Texas, it has been a loooooong time since I had heard the Dixon name. Interestingly enough I came across it again the other day after seeing American Sniper and Googling our other home state hero; Chris Kyle. I knew Billy was awarded the Medal of Honor as a civilian. But did not know that it has only been awarded 8 times to civilians in our Nation's history.
For those that do not know the name then you have some interesting reading if you look it up.
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And back to the gun, forgot to mention that I also like that the engineers evidently took shooting rb's into account on top of casts. Shows that someone is paying attention to what we are actually doing with the guns.
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Oh.. OK, something about the 'maximum' distance a 405gr 'could' travel.. wiki has the 45 70 going 3000yd.. Nothing to do with effective range..
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I see airgun registration sneaking up on us, if its not already happening somewhere.
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I owned a .457 Extreme Big Bore Hunter. My problem with the .457 Extreme was the thin barrel. It had an outside diameter of .625" inches and barrel vibrations were a big issue. When you drill a .457" inch hole through a .625" inch barrel the remaining barrel wall is only .083" inches thick. I had to place shims between the air tube and barrel and then squished the barrel tight against these shims with a leather wrap and worm screw clamps. I think my best average with the barrel shimmed was a 2.73" inch average for five consecutive five shot groups at 100 yards. At 50 yards it would stay under 2" inches easily. Certainly acceptable for a 50 yard deer shot but I was looking for long range accuracy.
When I look at the Texan and it's extremely thin barrel, I totally believe that 3" inches is the best it's going to do at 100 yards. And their probably counting 3 shots as a group. Engineers have to walk a tight rope when setting up an airgun like this. The hunting crowd will whine if the air rifle is too heavy. And accuracy shooters are going to be the minority purchaser because this is primarily a hunting tool. I would strongly suspect that people looking for long range accuracy are either going to have to sleeve the barrel in carbon fibre or replace the barrel altogether with a heavier steel barrel.
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Good day gentlemen, regarding our .457 extreme rifle, the bullets tested in our guns that worked best for tight groups were the 280 gr. hp. and lighter bullets that Mr. Hollowpoint makes... bullets touching at 50 yds and with 1" groups at 100 yards, many our customers are getting these groups easily, for a hunting rifle this is very good...many of our customers also cast their own bullets and have excellent results also...we find that when shooting over a 350 gr. bullet accuracy drops off with certain bullets, needless to say as with any rifle shoot the bullet that the gun is capable of shooting accurately...the Airforce .457 will shoot as good as long as the customer tests different weights, outside dimensions for fitment...I personally own a Airforce .25 condor rifle that was custom built by Talon Tunes and with proper pellet selection will shoot a ragged hole at 30 yards...I know that custom tuning with the Airforce .457 can be real tack driver...kind regards, Allen
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I owned a .457 Extreme Big Bore Hunter. My problem with the .457 Extreme was the thin barrel. It had an outside diameter of .625" inches and barrel vibrations were a big issue. When you drill a .457" inch hole through a .625" inch barrel the remaining barrel wall is only .083" inches thick. I had to place shims between the air tube and barrel and then squished the barrel tight against these shims with a leather wrap and worm screw clamps. I think my best average with the barrel shimmed was a 2.73" inch average for five consecutive five shot groups at 100 yards. At 50 yards it would stay under 2" inches easily. Certainly acceptable for a 50 yard deer shot but I was looking for long range accuracy.
When I look at the Texan and it's extremely thin barrel, I totally believe that 3" inches is the best it's going to do at 100 yards. And their probably counting 3 shots as a group. Engineers have to walk a tight rope when setting up an airgun like this. The hunting crowd will whine if the air rifle is too heavy. And accuracy shooters are going to be the minority purchaser because this is primarily a hunting tool. I would strongly suspect that people looking for long range accuracy are either going to have to sleeve the barrel in carbon fibre or replace the barrel altogether with a heavier steel barrel.
Just sayin that if your getting close to two inches at 50, and 2.73" at 100.. OK that makes sense.. AF texan does 1" at 50, but 3" at 100, that doesn't add up.. Unless boolit tumble, or wind, but anyway.. Using the 4x32 fixed AO at 50yd and taking 100yd shoots would explain that.. I'd bet a dollar that you were shoot your hundred yard groups were with parallax at 100, not set at fifty..
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I learned a long time ago when GayLord was working at AF to take anything he says with a HUGE grain of salt! Especially when it comes to accuracy or anything to do with AF guns.
Back in the day when we were developing and testing .25 pellet shooting AF guns, he ran the practice down incessantly.
When any one sent a gun in to AF for problems with low velocity, he would return them saying nothing was wrong with them. If ask what the velocity was on his chrony, he was quick to tell us that he didn't use a Chrony, as he could tell exactly how fast any AG was shooting by simply hearing it! LOL!!! Right Gaylord. He never once admitted that the early guns had problems. It was always the owner not being able to read a guage. (Wonder if he used a guage, or just listened to the fill sound, as I'm sure he could tell fill pressure by the sound of the air alone.
Then he tried to tell us that the more coatings a scope had, the lesser quality,and darker it would be. WT*???
Never could get him to understand what the coatings were for, nor could anyone get him to understand light index -VS- actual light gathering ability, or the differences.
I gave up on him years ago.
Knife
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Wow! That is actually very interesting to read about Gaylord. :o
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Wow! That is actually very interesting to read about Gaylord. :o
I'm beginning to think it may very well be the "Old Dog, New Trick Syndrome" He was very well versed in the inner workings of Springers, but the modern PCP's or Optics seem to baffle him. LOL
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Hey KnifeMaker,
Did you work at AF and if so, are you still there?
Joe
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Yes Mike your are right being a thinfilm engineer, and designing coatings for lasers or what ever the customer is working on, a lot of times the do not say what it is. Scope optics enhance the visible spectrum from 400nm to 700nm blocking out the Infrared and UV, then there is also the substrate that they use and how well it is grind and polished.
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Hey KnifeMaker,
Did you work at AF and if so, are you still there?
Joe
If Knife were working at AF, all the guns would still have the original trigger group, left or right ONLY feeding, w/a side cocker, there would be better LDC's than the "sound loc" system, there would be a better designed "Texan", it wouldn't be called the "Texan", the tanks would all be 500cc 4500 psi... Should I go on? ;D ;D
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Hey KnifeMaker,
Did you work at AF and if so, are you still there?
Joe
If Knife were working at AF, all the guns would still have the original trigger group, left or right ONLY feeding, w/a side cocker, there would be better LDC's than the "sound loc" system, there would be a better designed "Texan", it wouldn't be called the "Texan", the tanks would all be 500cc 4500 psi... Should I go on? ;D ;D
Yes, yes you should... :D
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Hey KnifeMaker,
Did you work at AF and if so, are you still there?
Joe
If Knife were working at AF, all the guns would still have the original trigger group, left or right ONLY feeding, w/a side cocker (i.e. single side feeding), there would be better LDC's than the "sound loc" system, there would be a better designed "Texan", it wouldn't be called the "Texan", the tanks would all be 500cc 4500 psi... Should I go on? ;D ;D
Yes, yes you should... :D
Okay!
M1913 rail instead of a dovetail, 20 MOA angled scope rail, a section of M1913 rail on the bottom for a bipod, there would be two screws for the end cap, the whole extrusion would be much more precise with a thicker wall, 1 piece solid barrel bushing....
Actually, there's more improvements all the guys over at the TAG have come up with to list here...
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Thanks Tom! And Yep! And the darned breach area wouldn't "BE Machined away to a thin flexible floor!
Monkeydad, What I did for a living required a bit more precision. LOL!!! And had NO moving parts, yet sold for a LOT more. Not because of what I charged, but what collectors the world over ran the prices up to. To put it bluntly, they couldn't have touched my hourly rate. They are making a name for themselves in the US and UK. I did that World Wide years ago. but sadly, am now medically retired. Man I miss it!
But maybe if I were a TV Celeb, they would take my thoughts on their designs more seriously. I mean, just think of how many things those Celeb's have designed and sold world wide. What? None you say? LOL, Well, I forgot all that But wait, there's more, just pay additional shipping and handling!!! So I guess Celebs can sell stuff. Just please keep them away from the designing. PLEASE!!!
The tag is a wealth of design and improvement on the AF design. Of course AF always put any and all of us down for fooling with their designs.
But it never stopped them from ripping off any of our members designs and calling it their developments.
Kinda helps when you know a little bit of the history. come visit us at the TAG. It's all there for the research!
Knife
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Yes Mike your are right being a thinfilm engineer, and designing coatings for lasers or what ever the customer is working on, a lot of times the do not say what it is. Scope optics enhance the visible spectrum from 400nm to 700nm blocking out the Infrared and UV, then there is also the substrate that they use and how well it is grind and polished.
Don't tell O'l BB, he'll blow a fuse! I guess he thinks those Hi-Tec coatings are some kind of sunglasses for scopes to add Bling. lol
He's on a blog this week telling folks that it is the Dia. of the scope tube that lets all the light in. LOL!!! Poor Guy!
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BUT IT SEEMS THAT AOA'S 600 FPE IS THE MOST POWERFUL PRODUCTION GUN.
RIGHT?!
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BUT IT SEEMS THAT AOA'S 600 FPE IS THE MOST POWERFUL PRODUCTION GUN.
RIGHT?!
I'm guessing AF will argue it's not a production rifle but a special order rifle?
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This isn't the FIA, Homologating cars and required 500 units (or 5000) a year.... Pretty much a joke, IMO.... Any rifle you can buy off the shelf, without putting your name on a waiting list, is a production rifle, IMO.... Just because it's out of stock at a dealer any given time doesn't matter....
Bob
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Yeah, well, if AoA is making it, its a production rifle. Im sure they will have many on the shelves at some point like Airforce will.
Its just funny that companies always have to LABEL something like that. "The most powerful production rifle".......lol! You gotta know that the competition is gonna GUN for ya when you say that. So what will AoA's gun be labeled FPE wise.........? "THE NEW MOST POWERFUL PRODUCTION RIFLE"....LOL?
Just call it a 500 fpe big bore (TEXAN). 600 FPE (WARTHOG). 700 FPE (NITRO MAGNUM BUFFALO THUMPER.....making this up of course) and leave it at that. But they market the newbies........i get it and keep hearing that.
And its funny cause the FPE record is held by custom makers so to me, flaunting 500 FPE is funny. Like its NEW. Yeah, new for Air force and AoA the companies but owners of Air force Condors and knock off QB look alikes did this a long time ago and i'm over it. What we need to know MORE than anything is the performance of the gun on paper and over the Chrony. We know it will kill. And we all know Air Force guns have some weaknesses. Did they address them?
Trust me, i know guys, custom guns are NOT production guns. But the 500-600 fpe race was over a long time ago. just sayin.......
Sorry for my slight rant, i've just been at this for a while now and i'm more interested in actual performance vs HYPE! Same with the Rogue and the same with the New Benjamin BullPup. Make a video of its total performance instead of showing pictures of dead animals and the hunter. And yes, i love hunting i just don't BUY hype!
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AOA didn't make airguns, goes bushbuck hunting in Africa with a 45 Ranger XP that does 600 fpe and now they are releasing an AOA branded 45 named bushbuck that does 600 fpe.
Seems to me like they might have licensed the gun and either XP is manufacturing or more likely they bought the design outright and have someone else building them?
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Does anybody have a Bushbuck?
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Only Jim Chapman will have one (AoA 600 FPE big bore) this week to test and review. They aren't out yet. None of em (new big bores) are right now. This is just the 1st stage of the airguns....the INTRO if you will. Or HYPE as i call it.
And yeah, i watched J. Chapmans video of the BushBuck and something sounded a little weird when he and the gent from AoA mentioned that the gun could NOT be put on display for GOD KNOW WHAT REASON (legalities i'm sure) and of course, the gun does look like an XP. I just wish they would say that if that's the case. But i'm sure the info will all come out soon enough on ALL these new big bores.
I'm eagerly awaiting..........................
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If I'm guessing right, they get it from XP, re-brand, tack on hundred, or so.. What $1600 - $1800..??
Just try to get one Ranger 45 prob take six months.. And yes your name will go on waiting list..
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I guessed it as an XP a few pages back. My guess is they did a licensing deal, and are using a new manufacturing facility with more capacity. They will highlight some very small changes and minimize the XP history, and call it a new evolution of big bore or something.
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And yeah, i watched J. Chapmans video of the BushBuck and something sounded a little weird when he and the gent from AoA mentioned that the gun could NOT be put on display for GOD KNOW WHAT REASON (legalities i'm sure) and of course, the gun does look like an XP. I just wish they would say that if that's the case. But i'm sure the info will all come out soon enough on ALL these new big bores.
I'm eagerly awaiting..........................
They prob couldn't put on the shelves because of the XP label on it, LOL..
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Part 3 from Gaylord
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/02/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-3/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/02/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-3/)
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Part 3 from Gaylord
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/02/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-3/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/02/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-3/)
Still looking pretty good!
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The accuracy they are getting right now is pretty dismal compared to what many of us are already getting with our Custom Talon/Dors.
And I worry about the L/W barrels being used for the production guns. The L/W barrels haven't proven to be good performers in Big Bores so far.
Wonder if they ever know about TJ'S Barrels?
I think if it were most of us, we would have told AF to go back and try again. LOL!!!
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I think if it were most of us, we would have told AF to go back and try again. LOL!!!
Already doing that the most visible way I know: not spending money on it.
cheers,
Douglas
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I talked to Mike and AF did buy 10 or so barrels from him. They want to pay next nothing for them. Mike wasn't interested so who knows where they will be getting barrels from. Don't think anybody makes a barrel that thin so who knows how the production one will shoot if they are machining down barrels real thin.
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Nice.. Showing some good accuracy! 1.506 at 100, .762 @ 50yd!
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If those groups are true I think they have an awesome gun.
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They won't be. Manufacture hype. A barrel that thin will be a basket case of un-repeatable barrel harmonics. Big bullet, thin barrel equals lots of barrel whip. There's a reason that .45 cal. big bore silhouette black powder barrels are so heavy. One is to reduce recoil and the other is to reduce barrel harmonics. Air guns have to obey the same laws of physics.
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Hi Cedric;
AOA Showed the gun when asked, but their booth is in the British Pavilion. A complaint was put in that they (AOA) were intending to show non British product (FX and their own gun).... probably a competitor, things get hot between these companies. AoA was forbidden from showing anything but product manufactured in the UK..... I think this is an overstep, as many of the scopes etc on display was not made in the UK, but Chinese in manufacture. This came at the last minute, too late for any action to address it.
To the others that are postulating that this is a rebadged gun from another manufacturer, it is not. My hunting buddy Kip Perow, has several big bores and has taken a lot of big game with them. Besides working at AOA as one of their AG gurus, he is a professional guide. This design, while admittedly having elements of several other airguns, is his creation. AOA has partnered with a US based 3rd party to manufacture the rifles, and they are in full production with first runs sold out to existing customers, but the availability should be fine as the production engine kicks fully into gear. Essentially, the Bushbuck is a gun built for an experienced airgun hunter, to what he considers his perfect gun, built by a manufacturer with high quality standards.
I'm climbing on a plane today for Texas ...... going on a multi-day hog hunt and my gun (the one from the show, is already shipped and waiting for me)!
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They won't be. Manufacture hype. A barrel that thin will be a basket case of un-repeatable barrel harmonics. Big bullet, thin barrel equals lots of barrel whip. There's a reason that .45 cal. big bore silhouette black powder barrels are so heavy. One is to reduce recoil and the other is to reduce barrel harmonics. Air guns have to obey the same laws of physics.
When you saw the Bushbuck did you actually measure the barrel thickness? I haven't yet, just done a visual. The barrel is no thinner than my Quackenbush, Texan, Corsair, Sam Yangs, or the half dozen other big bore rifles in my gun room. But it doesn't seem to have an impact on accuracy when I did my initial testing, and this gun has already taken a black bear, mountain lion, javalina..... and hopefully multiple hogs this week.
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So who here is buying Texan?
BZ
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They won't be. Manufacture hype. A barrel that thin will be a basket case of un-repeatable barrel harmonics. Big bullet, thin barrel equals lots of barrel whip. There's a reason that .45 cal. big bore silhouette black powder barrels are so heavy. One is to reduce recoil and the other is to reduce barrel harmonics. Air guns have to obey the same laws of physics.
When you saw the Bushbuck did you actually measure the barrel thickness? I haven't yet, just done a visual. The barrel is no thinner than my Quackenbush, Texan, Corsair, Sam Yangs, or the half dozen other big bore rifles in my gun room. But it doesn't seem to have an impact on accuracy when I did my initial testing, and this gun has already taken a black bear, mountain lion, javalina..... and hopefully multiple hogs this week.
How do you have an AF Texan already?
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They won't be. Manufacture hype. A barrel that thin will be a basket case of un-repeatable barrel harmonics. Big bullet, thin barrel equals lots of barrel whip. There's a reason that .45 cal. big bore silhouette black powder barrels are so heavy. One is to reduce recoil and the other is to reduce barrel harmonics. Air guns have to obey the same laws of physics.
When you saw the Bushbuck did you actually measure the barrel thickness? I haven't yet, just done a visual. The barrel is no thinner than my Quackenbush, Texan, Corsair, Sam Yangs, or the half dozen other big bore rifles in my gun room. But it doesn't seem to have an impact on accuracy when I did my initial testing, and this gun has already taken a black bear, mountain lion, javalina..... and hopefully multiple hogs this week.
How do you have an AF Texan already?
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I think he has the AOA gun or something by his writings; not the Texan.
BZ
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The barrel is no thinner than my Quackenbush, Texan, Corsair, Sam Yangs, or the half dozen other big bore rifles in my gun room.
That quote to my reading says he has a Quakenbush, a Texan, a Corsair, more than one Sam Yang and another half a dozen big bores.
So my question was how does he already have that Texan?
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The barrel is no thinner than my Quackenbush, Texan, Corsair, Sam Yangs, or the half dozen other big bore rifles in my gun room.
That quote to my reading says he has a Quakenbush, a Texan, a Corsair, more than one Sam Yang and another half a dozen big bores.
So my question was how does he already have that Texan?
I'm a moron and missed that LOL! :P
BZ
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Jim get s many guns sent to him by Manufacturers to test pre production
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So who here is buying Texan?
BZ
So far.. I'm really liking the reports from the people who have actually seen and handled the thing in real life.. Unless actual testers come with up something that's a problem (that's not hypothetical). I'm on board!!
Another personal reason is that I like my Condor SS, and I think AF's products are great.. Based on the good experience the I've been having with it, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another AF product..
Also, I'd bet that soon enough there will be someone to come out with drop-in barrels for other cals, like condors/talon drop in barrels (hopefully LW, lol), in cals like .355/.357/.41/.44 etc. Not to mention valves, 4500 psi tanks, and so on.. <<<<< The reason I like AF so much.. Versatile, adaptable..
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I had the pre-production Texan for about two months. There were a few of the gun made up and circulated to guys that hunt big bores a lot, to use and provide feedback. I used mine on a hog hunt in Texas, and it is very impressive. Have been using several bullets and will publish in an upcoming article. The AOA Bushbuck, which is a .452 was shipped down to a ranch in Texas (I'm in transit sitting in the Deltas lounge in Minneapolis BTW, lord give me warmth in Texas, I need to thaw out). Got 4-5 days and lots of pig potential.
The big test will be when these guns start hitting the hands of a wider group of hunters...... but I'm not blowing smoke guys, these are both very impressive guns.
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I like the Idea of the .452 caliber for airguns, Much more Bullets of the right weight avaiable to buy straight up
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I like the Idea of the .452 caliber for airguns, Much more Bullets of the right weight avaiable to buy straight up
Ditto..
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I had the pre-production Texan for about two months. There were a few of the gun made up and circulated to guys that hunt big bores a lot, to use and provide feedback. I used mine on a hog hunt in Texas, and it is very impressive. Have been using several bullets and will publish in an upcoming article. The AOA Bushbuck, which is a .452 was shipped down to a ranch in Texas (I'm in transit sitting in the Deltas lounge in Minneapolis BTW, lord give me warmth in Texas, I need to thaw out). Got 4-5 days and lots of pig potential.
The big test will be when these guns start hitting the hands of a wider group of hunters...... but I'm not blowing smoke guys, these are both very impressive guns.
Cool.. Let us know when and where to look for your article.. Thanks..
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Very interested as well!
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Thanks for the REAL info on what i mentioned.
I look forward to your results of all the guns.............
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I like the Idea of the .452 caliber for airguns, Much more Bullets of the right weight avaiable to buy straight up
Manny I agree with you. A few years ago Dennis Quackenbush and I sat down for a drink and a chat, and ended up talking about what I'd like to see in my perfect hunting gun. I specified a barrel not to exceed 20", 2 full power shots at a minimum of 220 fpe, and I wanted a caliber that provided a lot of bullet choice, could offer lighter bullets to let me move from predators to small game, and was fairly flat shooting..... we settled on a .452. I've taken deer, antelope, hogs, coyote, bobcat, and long range jackrabbits with that gun. It is one that will never leave my collection.
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The lighter Meister cast bullets might work well in the AirForce Texan. A great value at $0.20 a piece until Bob specs a boattail mold for this barrel.
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/123570/meister-hard-cast-bullets-45-caliber-458-diameter-300-grain-lead-flat-nose-box-of-250 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/123570/meister-hard-cast-bullets-45-caliber-458-diameter-300-grain-lead-flat-nose-box-of-250)
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/924486/meister-hard-cast-bullets-45-caliber-458-diameter-350-grain-lead-flat-nose-two-lube-grooves-box-of-250 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/924486/meister-hard-cast-bullets-45-caliber-458-diameter-350-grain-lead-flat-nose-two-lube-grooves-box-of-250)
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/119928/meister-hard-cast-bullets-45-caliber-458-diameter-405-grain-lead-flat-nose-for-lever-action-rifles-box-of-250 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/119928/meister-hard-cast-bullets-45-caliber-458-diameter-405-grain-lead-flat-nose-for-lever-action-rifles-box-of-250)
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/370703/lyman-1-cavity-bullet-mold-457122-45-caliber-458-459-diameter-330-grain-flat-nose-hollow-point (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/370703/lyman-1-cavity-bullet-mold-457122-45-caliber-458-459-diameter-330-grain-flat-nose-hollow-point)
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Too bad they turned down the O.D. so far just to use the existing barrel bushings. Now it needs a full length carbon fiber sleeve.
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Did they really turn it down on a lathe or just start with thinner walled pipe?
Seems like turning down the whole barrel would be rather expensive in machine time.
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. The AOA Bushbuck, which is a .452 was shipped down to a ranch in Texas (I'm in transit sitting in the Deltas lounge in Minneapolis BTW, lord give me warmth in Texas, I need to thaw out). Got 4-5 days and lots of pig potential.
Where is the article going to be published , Real curious about that AOA .452 .
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Ok, if it is .452 cal.
What size bullet would you use, if the grooves are .452, wouldn't a .458 be too big even if it is sized down?
So it is actually a 45 Long Colt bullet you need!
William
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Ok, if it is .452 cal.
What size bullet would you use, if the grooves are .452, wouldn't a .458 be too big even if it is sized down?
So it is actually a 45 Long Colt bullet you need!
William
this are the bullets I used to shoot in my DAQ .452
http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=71 (http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=71)
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.452 is a good choice, it opens up all the pistol bullets which are of appropriate weights but with the ease, economics and superior quality of custom molds from companies like Accurate Bullet molds and others; I don't think it really matters much. Airgun bullet requirements are so stringent when it come to quality and fit, casting or swaging customs is almost a must if you want to get the most out of an airgun.
Tom
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So it is actually a 45 Long Colt bullet you need!
William
Exactly . Xp states on their website that they choose that caliber ,Because of the easy to find long colt reloading lead . Unfortunately Extreme Big Bores uses a .457 which is real hard to find in lighter bullets 300gr. and up are easy though . But didn't want to use that heavy of a shot for target shooting .
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Thanks for all the info everyone,
there sure is a lot to choose from in bullet weight and style in the .452, real nice to see that the .452 has so many choices in which to get something to shoot good.
Looks like the manufacture made a good choice in Caliber sizing thats for sure!
William
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If that BushBuck is going to be at a reasonable price I might get back in the Big Bore arena
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If that BushBuck is going to be at a reasonable price I might get back in the Big Bore arena
I think it's just under $1,900.
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Dang, where did you get that price from ?
...that would take me out of contention :) :)
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1900 BUCKS?!
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Dang, where did you get that price from ?
...that would take me out of contention :) :)
Jim Chapman mentioned it on Facebook.
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Yep I just checked he says he believes it's $1895. I guess they figured so many guys are paying that price for small bores they will pay that for big bores too.
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Wow, Bummer.
It sure takes me out of the game :(
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$1900? Well I guess the Texan is the better buy for some of us, including me! Although I like the BushBuck better!
AirForce Texan Big Bore Air Rifle at PA $999.00
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/airforce-texan-big-bore-air-rifle?m=3575 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/airforce-texan-big-bore-air-rifle?m=3575)
William
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1900? Why not just get a Quack for $800, or if your going big the XP at $1300? That price is more than a Texan and Quack together!!
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$1900? Well I guess the Texan is the better buy for some of us, including me! Although I like the BushBuck better!
AirForce Texan Big Bore Air Rifle at PA $999.00
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/airforce-texan-big-bore-air-rifle?m=3575 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/airforce-texan-big-bore-air-rifle?m=3575)
William
At $999 they will sell.
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If that BushBuck is going to be at a reasonable price I might get back in the Big Bore arena
I spoke with Kip from AoA this week, and yes that is the price. I will have to sell a truck to purchase one. Dont think I can afford it right now.
Just curious Manny, why did you go away from big bores? Challenge? More options in the smaller bores? Of course I am like you, my primary use is hunting pigs. (and deer for me)
Aloha,
Mike
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I wish the price was lower because I'd really like see more of them going out into hunters hands, and this will shut a lot of people out.... Having said this, there are so many cool new mid and big bores hitting the market that every one will find one priced to suit. I like the styling of the Bushbuck, but from a performance standpoint the Texan is right there, then there's the Extreme Big Bores, Beemans got a lower priced prototype that may be out soon......and if you can get on the Quackenbush list... That's still the gun for me, at least from an emotional perspective.
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The price shouldn't surprise anyone. I mean, it "IS" AOA After all! ::)
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The price shouldn't surprise anyone. I mean, it "IS" AOA After all! ::)
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Not surprised one bit. In fact, I'm really surprised it doesn't cost more! ;D
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I called A.O.A. this morning , their first shipment is due in 2 weeks THEY ARE ALL SOLD . The next shipment is due in about 6 weeks and its about HALF SOLD already . Guy on the phone said $1700 Said the one to talk to would be Kip and he's out till Tuesday.The gun IS .452 with two power settings similar to the XP rifles .
Saw a video on You tube with the gun last night "Kip" was showing the gun to an english man . Said they had the first shipment , but were not happy with the way the gun set so high on the stock (like extreme and XP) . So they sent them back to have the stocks redone so the gun sets lower like a powder burner . first ones due back in two weeks . then they will all have the new stock .
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If that BushBuck is going to be at a reasonable price I might get back in the Big Bore arena
I spoke with Kip from AoA this week, and yes that is the price. I will have to sell a truck to purchase one. Dont think I can afford it right now.
Just curious Manny, why did you go away from big bores? Challenge? More options in the smaller bores? Of course I am like you, my primary use is hunting pigs. (and deer for me)
Aloha,
Mike
Well, I got to the point where I had several Big Bores, 200 FPE .452 and .495 DAQs,a few 200 FPE Careers .357s, a 300 FPE 909s and a 400 FPE Claw .50 but I found myself still taking the Brain shot, so I figured I really didn't need them since I can be just as effective with my Small Bores and my low powered .357 :)
a 600 FPE .452 (with all the ammo avaiability ) the Dual power setting would be very enticing, it definitely would open up the Body shot possibility if I needed to take it ( I don't like it because recovery here can be very daunting with the incredible thick vegetation we have ) a 600 FPE should shorten the travel by a bit :) :)
Unfortunately that price is way off my realm of possibility, way off :) :)
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Unfortunately that price is way off my realm of possibility, way off :) :)
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For mass producing them , you'd think the price would be less than the guys making them by hand . Wonder if A.O.A bought the design or if they are licensed on a per unit deal . Maybe this will open up the list at XP , If AOA has already sold the first and half of the second shipment . Price will probably come down after the initial rush dies down .
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Saw a video on You tube with the gun last night "Kip" was showing the gun to an english man . Said they had the first shipment , but were not happy with the way the gun set so high on the stock (like extreme and XP) . So they sent them back to have the stocks redone so the gun sets lower like a powder burner . first ones due back in two weeks . then they will all have the new stock .
So they are not done with Research and Development but want to be paid like it is a 1000 yard rifle. This rifle will not be an option for me. I'll wait for Tom to finish his design. If I decide I really want a .45 I will go with the Texan. To each their own. I am glad more options are reaching the market.
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I think Tom's BullPup in .452 would be a winner :)
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I'm not sure if this could be considered a "production" rifle but how about the .257 Haley Scandalous?
See the video of it shooting a cola can at 615 yards.: http://youtu.be/wd9GXcrnZrM (http://youtu.be/wd9GXcrnZrM)
Here is a post from the FX Airguns Owners Club Forum
http://www.fxoc.info/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2325 (http://www.fxoc.info/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2325)
12 oz cola can at 615 yards with Haley air rilfe
Post by roachcreek on Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:03 pm
Just got back from my old mountain property, I extended the "Pepsi Challenge from 552 yards to 615 yards on a 12 oz cola can.
I was shooting a 36 inch barreled Haley Scandalous tethered at 3550 PSI and shooting a bullet cast from a obsolete Ideal mold, a spitzer weighing in at 84 grains cast of 20-1.
After such a good start, I then went further back and I tried for two more days to extend the shot to 640-675 yards but found the bullet was loosing stability, so 615 may be the extreme range of this combination.
The YouTube videos here illustrate the power of this combination as it bursts the can with a retained energy of 120 FPE at 615 yards. I had a 242 inch mid range trajectory over the line of sight.
Link to the videos, the first outlines the equipment, the 2nd is the rangefinder view and the third video the hit which came on the third shot.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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No longer available, Jack Haley has passed away....
Bob
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And they where customs
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So how about the .309 cal Chimera Mk3?
Short video of what shooting 737 ft/lbs looks like:
http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/285.mp4 (http://youtu.be/fsZNsFzJlWE)
http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/263.mp4 (http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/263.mp4)
Also, here is there website with some better pics of the actual gun: http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/index.php]http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/index.php (http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/index.php)
(http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/015_2.jpg)
(http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/P1010574.jpg)
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Airforce states the barrel is 1 twist in 20".
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So how about the .309 cal Chimera Mk3?
Short video of what shooting 737 ft/lbs looks like:
http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/285.mp4 (http://youtu.be/fsZNsFzJlWE)
http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/263.mp4 (http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/263.mp4)
Also, here is there website with some better pics of the actual gun: http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/index.php]http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/index.php (http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/index.php)
(http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/015_2.jpg)
(http://www.chimeradefencesystems.com/gallery/images/P1010574.jpg)
There is no way a .308 is making that power. The gun that makes that power is .457 or .58
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I think Tom's BullPup in .452 would be a winner :)
I agree with you on this one :)
Love his gun and I'm do not like pullpups
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I believe the Chimera Launcher (1000J) is a .75 cal, shooting 680 gr. at about 700 fps.... You are not going to get that power from a .30 cal, they are two different guns....
Bob
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Scratching my head here????????
The Chimera system is an interesting concept along with a unique targeted audience with one fatal flaw that I can see. If I was in charge of a ships defenses and to protect against pirates then I want something more then a single shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is another fatal flaw, in many ports that would be considered a firearm. Which is why large capacity firefighting hoses are so popular. They can be targeted remotely and allow the crew to discover just how well pirates swim.
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Just in case you gents missed it, Cameron at AGD played with a Texan recently too:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=85910.msg825435#new (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=85910.msg825435#new)
BZ
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Well looks like they pulled the video of the chrony numbers.
Doesn't matter I saw it and wrote down the numbers. Pretty sad
914 fps with 143 gr 265 fpe
831 fps with 200 gr 306 fpe
807 fps with 180 gr 180 fpe
714 fps with 343 gr 388 foe
5 shot strings and most were 100 fps lower on the 5th shot.
Wonder if this is production gun? Love how they hype up the gun and then the numbers don't match the hype.
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I believe I said earlier that the first numbers released (showing 1000 fps with roundball and 500 FPE with the heaviest bullet) were very likely a single shot at maximum fill pressure and settings.... That would indeed appear to be the case.... Should anyone be surprised?.... Advertising is advertising.... I would be the most interested in what the velocity is when the gun is adjusted for 3 shots with minimum ES, or even 2 shots with equal velocity.... IMO anything else with a big-bore is just air-wasting fluff....
Bob
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Couldnt agree more Bob!!!
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Does anybody have texan yet?
I'd like to hear some facts like what is the exact caliber and what slugs does she like?
sorry for my bad english i'm from finland
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They won't release till the end of April.
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I think the clock is slooowww. I don't feel tardy.