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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: 7624452 on September 21, 2012, 06:30:54 PM
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It would seem that Crosman is re marketing the backpacker.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-doomsday-bug-out-air-rifle-kit?m=2913;utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=AG+Bug+Out+Kit+Doomsday# (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-doomsday-bug-out-air-rifle-kit?m=2913;utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=AG+Bug+Out+Kit+Doomsday#)
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Sold out everywhere. :(
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I just pre-ordered ;D mine with (pyramyd-nra) came to 101.81 with shipping. I guess this means he backpacker forearm will be back in the parts dept. soon. ;)
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So how's the accuracy and power on that crosman? I like the Browing Buckmark for bug out, but it's loud and 500 rounds of .22 rimfire ammo is pretty heavy compared to pellets.
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I've always found the 13XX guns to be fairly quite even with 10 pumps just a good size pop that doesn't carry very far now go modding it and it can get loud.
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Guys, this is NOT Crosman 1322. It's Crosman 2289, a slightly longer barrel, different pumping handle!
Thank you
Pyramyd Air Team
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No disrespect intended but Crosman may call it a 2289 but it is still just a 13XX series gun with new markings and the same insides and a 2289 pumping handle and stock. The extra two inches of barrel adds 20 fps stock with no deference in sound out put unless modded.
Guys, this is NOT Crosman 1322. It's Crosman 2289, a slightly longer barrel, different pumping handle!
Thank you
Pyramyd Air Team
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Is Crosman making these again or isthis a Pyramyd air exclusive?
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I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.
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I do not thik it's a Pyramyd exclusive because it was for sale on several other sites (all out of stock).
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What does the Tube say? 2289 Backpacker...???? I bet it does. ;D
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I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.
I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.
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What are Pro's and Con's for taking this backpacking.
Thanks
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Its about time they brought that one back, now lets see it in that cool custom shop camo stock and forend. :D
Andrew
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That is rediculous for a bug out kit. I could go on an on but I'll just leave it at that
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It has a 12" barrel, and it looks like the model number is a 2913.... The 1322 uses a 10" barrel and the 2289 was 14.6".... By shortening the barrel the gun will fit in a smaller pack, and a backpack comes with it....
Bob
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It is great that Crosman brought back the Back Pack. So it has a lil longer barrel. That can be changed or moded easily. I am pushin the button on this one. Missed out on the old back packs.
Gene
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It is great that Crosman brought back the Back Pack. So it has a lil longer barrel. That can be changed or moded easily. I am pushin the button on this one. Missed out on the old back packs.
Gene
um i think 12 inches is shorter than the 14.5" barrel the 2289 had ;)
on a different note
its probably going to be like every other gun crosman has, no parts for up to a year
this looks like a black pump arm this time
at least we will get the pump arm back its just a matter if when now
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Its about time they brought that one back, now lets see it in that cool custom shop camo stock and forend. :D
Andrew
Yes, x100
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I turned both of my 13xx and 22xx into back backers ( minus the snap on shoulder stock, mine are standard screw on.) I bought forearms from the backpacker parts list about 6 months ago. Have they gone away since then?
The item for sale on PA does not have the steel breach. That means the not so good standard Crosman sight.
Darrell
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What I found very strange, Is that they dis-continued the 2289 BackPacker up here, and all of a sudden it's being sold stateside ??? under a "Zombie" gimmick, One thing I did notice, is that the barrel seems a little smaller, although it could be me, after I got mine a few yrs back I immediately had it modded,w/ a Crosman Breech, Bleeder plugged, and I switched up to a 24" barrel equipped with one of "Larry's" 16 hole Delrin brakes,,,,very sweet shooter now, w/ a decent m/v of 650fps w/ Jumbo Straton's., I actually brought it out with me & my dog today for a little grouse huntin', No luck, but at-least I burned the dog out, Slept like a pup all the way home. ;), Andy.
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The item for sale on PA does not have the steel breach. That means the not so good standard Crosman sight.
Darrell
It looks like PA is going to be carrying the steel breeches too. If I bought one of these backpackers I might not even shoot it with out installing a steel breech first. I was never a fan of the plastic breech.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-177-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-1377-1740-1760-pc77-air-guns?a=4386 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-177-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-1377-1740-1760-pc77-air-guns?a=4386)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387)
Andrew
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I think this is great news. I don't know how Crosman will be able to keep things in stock though, they couldn't even have regular breech inventories selling just on their site.
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i hope this is a sign that crosman is whatching the forums, and is going to do more things like this. maybe 13xx -22xx with steel breaches. i would love to see a return of a pumper long gun built in the spirit if the 13xx's about 17fpe. with lots of room for mod's
mark
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I must be missing something, because I don't see the appeal of this at all.
What could you hunt with the gun? Looks like about 7.3 fpe at the muzzle...and that's if it can do the advertised 480 fps with a 14.3 gr CPHP. I guess that would work for squirrels and maybe rabbits. Anything else? Is it possible to tune the gun for better performance?
Also, how accurate would it be? As a single-shot pumper, you probably won't get a follow up shot, so that first one has to be perfect.
The only reason I ask is because I already have a semiauto .22 LR pistol and over 500 rounds sitting on a shelf in my closet. They could be stuffed into my backpack in about 2 seconds if I had to leave in a hurry. Or, if I was that concerned about prep work, I could put them into a backpack now, along with everything else in the Crosman kit, which seems to be comprised of things I already have lying around the house. (Gun, rounds, first aid kit, water bottle, targets, etc.) The 40gr .22 LR rounds don't take up much space, but pack a lot more energy. (139.9 fpe at the muzzle* instead of 7.3) So what would make this kit a better choice for survival scenarios?
About the only advantage I can see is that the Crosman would be quieter. But that's only if someone hasn't modified the .22 LR (I haven't, btw) to make it quiet.
Not trying to sound confrontational, here. I love my airguns, and I know what the typical advantages are, I just don't see how this particular kit and airgun would be better than my current setup in an emergency Get-The-Heck-Out-Of-Dodge situation. Admittedly, I'm a relative noob to this sort of thinking, so forgive me if there is something I have not thought of.
*139.9 fpe figure based on 40 gr slug traveling at 1,255 fps
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In response to the previous post,,YES, It's very tunable, I transformed my 2289 into a very nice, accurate, and powerful shooter, that's a joy to shoot, and being so light, you can carry this shooter all day long w/out busting a nut. Mine produces a respectable 14.9 ft/lbs w/ a 15.9gr Jumbo Straton(It's favourite pellet) w/ a decent m/v of 650fps, and w/ 9gr Crosman SSP's you can easily add another 20% in the velocity dept,. w/ great accuracy well up to 40yds. Flat-Top Piston kit's are easily available and are not very expensive http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194) , which is also good for the Crosman 1322C. Also with the flat-top piston, there's no need to plug the bleeder as the kit comes complete.Add an 18"-24" barrel, an Airgun Artisan muzzle brake, a decent scope, and you've got yourself nice piece of kit that'll bring down any small game you can get your sights on. Also, it makes for a nice target pistol(w/ a Crosman/Crooked Barn steel/aluminum breech, 2240 grips & a Williams rear notch sight). All in all, this shooter is truly what you make of it. Cheer's, Andy.
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Very nice. How quickly/easily does the gun break down?
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I must be missing something, because I don't see the appeal of this at all.
What could you hunt with the gun? Looks like about 7.3 fpe at the muzzle...and that's if it can do the advertised 480 fps with a 14.3 gr CPHP. I guess that would work for squirrels and maybe rabbits. Anything else? Is it possible to tune the gun for better performance?
Also, how accurate would it be? As a single-shot pumper, you probably won't get a follow up shot, so that first one has to be perfect.
The only reason I ask is because I already have a semiauto .22 LR pistol and over 500 rounds sitting on a shelf in my closet. They could be stuffed into my backpack in about 2 seconds if I had to leave in a hurry. Or, if I was that concerned about prep work, I could put them into a backpack now, along with everything else in the Crosman kit, which seems to be comprised of things I already have lying around the house. (Gun, rounds, first aid kit, water bottle, targets, etc.) The 40gr .22 LR rounds don't take up much space, but pack a lot more energy. (139.9 fpe at the muzzle* instead of 7.3) So what would make this kit a better choice for survival scenarios?
About the only advantage I can see is that the Crosman would be quieter. But that's only if someone hasn't modified the .22 LR (I haven't, btw) to make it quiet.
Not trying to sound confrontational, here. I love my airguns, and I know what the typical advantages are, I just don't see how this particular kit and airgun would be better than my current setup in an emergency Get-The-Heck-Out-Of-Dodge situation. Admittedly, I'm a relative noob to this sort of thinking, so forgive me if there is something I have not thought of.
*139.9 fpe figure based on 40 gr slug traveling at 1,255 fps
For me,the excitement is the rerelease of the backpacker gun with the pumper forearm.
This gun is very accurate I have 3 backpackers from the past with an 18", 14.5", and 10.5" barrels and they are tack drivers. I don't use them for hunting nor would I use this one.
The way i take The "bugout bag" stuff is just a marketing gig playing on the quick take down , stuff it into a backpack concept of the original gun and the current dec21,2012 doomsday hype, "lets sell some guns gimmick"
None of the included bugout gear look to me like the stuff you would actually want in an catastrophe survival kit.
As far as the gun goes, it's a fun gun to shoot and mod and the pumper forearm is a great addition to a crosman 1377 pistol and it has been unavailable for a while. Google custom 1377 or 2289 and you will see the appeal of this gun.
As far as takedown, it breaks down as fast as you can push a spring loaded button.
That is my 2pennies and some change.
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Ive been eyeballing this back packer,not for the bug out gig....i have a pc77 that i been wanting to make a back packer.
My pc is all stock.
Before i dump $100 into the new back packer....would i be better off buying the stock,and .22 conversion for my pc,or buying this back packer.
If i upgrade the pc,i can always swap barrels for both calibers.
If i go the back packer....ill eventually mod my pc,i dont really shoot it...im a rifle kinda guy.
I even considered another m4-177 for a back packer.
What to do....man is faced with lifes most difficult decissions...lol.
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Ive been eyeballing this back packer,not for the bug out gig....i have a pc77 that i been wanting to make a back packer.
My pc is all stock.
Before i dump $100 into the new back packer....would i be better off buying the stock,and .22 conversion for my pc,or buying this back packer.
If i upgrade the pc,i can always swap barrels for both calibers.
If i go the back packer....ill eventually mod my pc,i dont really shoot it...im a rifle kinda guy.
I even considered another m4-177 for a back packer.
What to do....man is faced with lifes most difficult decissions...lol.
It depends. You can call Crosman customer service with part numbers and get the Stock for $10, a 10" or 14.5" barrel in .22 cal for about $11, and the quick take off pin and spring for maybe $4. (those look like part #s 1322-017 & 1389A006) http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/crosman/2289/C2289-EVP.pdf (http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/crosman/2289/C2289-EVP.pdf) With a longer barrel you'll need the backpacker barrel band and screw also (maybe $4 for the two.)
The backpacker pump arm will likely take a while to get back in to the rotation for ordering -but a pumpmaster 760 forearm will fit and be a bit more comfortable with little modification (the old boxy styled one.) Crosman has $4 shipping for however much you want to order excluding steel breech. I would recommend the steel breech, it costs more, but even the Pyramyd backpacker doesn't come with it.
Parsing it out may be the way to go if you're handy and can take it apart. Hope that helps.
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I would say bugout kit is a deal.
If you convert your own:
Stock $10
Forearm $10
Barrel $12
.22 bolt $4
Stock detent pin $1.15
Stock detent pin spring $1.15
If you want the tube to say backpacker. $9
Barrel band $4 with screw
$4 shipping
The cost of your PC77 $50 - $60.
That's around $100 conservatively.
With the Bugout out you have a bag, bottle to possibly sell for a few bucks or use, some band aids to use around the house,a few targets to shoot up, and some pellets to throw down range. And that leaves your pc77 to turn into another cool custom.
Or sell off your pc77 bag, bottle, first aid kit, targets and pellets, and put the money into the backpacker ie steel breech etc. etc. etc.
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looks cool.
I have one for backpacking, but it is still work in progress.
Its a 1377 with a steel breech and bbl in .22. Has an extended probe and a flat-top setup. Produces 10ft lbs with 15 pumps.......this is a big issue fellas. They can all produce big fpe with pellet combo and a spring swap, but still needs beacoup pumping, like 25-30 pumps.
Spend the money and get a flat top setup. This will not make the gun max out higher than a stock model (well, not TOO much more anyway) ---but WILL get you to rifle power levels with LESS pumps.
Im all for a 15 ftlb pistol, but dont want to pump 40 times to do it......Id rather pick up a steroid benji and get 21 ftlbs for 13 pumps.
My personal version will have a different stock setup in the end. Thinking of a tippman adaptor, or a wirestock adaptor. this will keep the pistol ~18 inches in length, and then we can pack the stock in separately, so it fits in a much smaller package..
neat idea for crosman, and certainly a money maker .......
God bless,
Farmer
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Great gun and accessories...but silliest marketing I've ever heard.
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I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.
I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.
The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.
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I was thinking that this model would make for a better "Back-Packer" type of a/g, The 1322 w/ a Crosman steel breech and 1399 shoulder stock, and lastly a flat-top piston and a decent scope(mine's got a 3-12 x 40 AO), and the power is just a little less than my 2289 set-up, w/ 13.59 fpe using a 15.9gr Jumbo Straton @ 620fps, I think that the 2289 produces more fps is due to the 24" barrel, as opposed to the 1322's considerably shorter barrel, but if you got your sights on a squirrel that's rustling around below your treestand, I don't think it'll make much of a difference. One thing I really don't like about the 1322 is the lack of being able to add a longer barrel, the 1322's barrel band prevents you from modding the barrel as the original 1322 barrel has been recessed at the top, or I would of switched up to the 24" a long time ago, but as I said, I don't think the difference should affect the outcome. Cheer's, Andy.
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I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.
I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.
The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.
I read that you can order as long as it is under .18 no limit fps.
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Thanks a ton Bowhunt on the heads up on the restriction.
The email I got had no mention of the .22 restriction so I assumed that it was still restricted.
Thank you again for bringing that to my attention.
Bert.
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Thanks to Bowhunt, I called Pyramyd air to change my shipping address for the backpacker kit and to my surprise it was just in time, they are shipping in the morning, Wednesday 26th.
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I hope this is a sign that crosman is watching the forums.
I think they have been watching Glenn Beck and finally see the need for something like this.
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I must be missing something, because I don't see the appeal of this at all.
The only reason I ask is because I already have a semiauto .22 LR pistol and over 500 rounds sitting on a shelf in my closet.
So what would make this kit a better choice for survival scenarios?
Not trying to sound confrontational, here. I love my airguns, and I know what the typical advantages are, I just don't see how this particular kit and airgun would be better than my current setup in an emergency Get-The-Heck-Out-Of-Dodge situation.
The logic is that airguns are not firearms under Federal law and that if, in the future, laws were changed to ban all firearms and ammunition, along with confiscating them, you would still have a way to feed yourself in a world gone upside-down.
I'd get as many spare parts for it as I could, also.
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I have lost interest in killing and I am too old to care if the world lasts forever, but I still like to play with air guns.
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BRAVO !
SPRINGERMAN!!!
we have every reason to believe there will be more and more restrictions on firearms. for example in the 1960's they required the auto industry to put seat belts in autos. i remember the public service adds on tv asuring us they would never pass a law requiring us to ware them. no one is promising us they are done restricting firearms.
the pellet guns are our last refuge as far as arms go. i personally don't figure the myans had any special knowlege. but there are lots of other reasons to put airguns in our back-up plan.
mark
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If they chafed the plastic bottle for a stainless steel bottle, then added a space blanket, and a firesteel it would be a better set up while calling it a BUG OUT Bag. As it is you could drink some un-boiled water and shoot at the targets while waiting to die
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its funny... I think that i was cooler than crosman for a little while... I have a 1377 with a breech and a 13 inch .22 barrel with a mild port job and a heavy spring shooting 510 with crosman prems (14.3) at 12 pumps... it has a small 2.5 inch "still air chamber" attached to the muzzle to "protect the crown" and it is a quiet little rifle... It lives in a little green back pack with a folder, a pepsi can stove and 5 fuels... 2 plastic water bottles and a roll of water purification tabs. 1 pair of socks and a wool blanket. The rifle wears open sights and a little 4x scope zeroed at 20 yards... i guess when i was camping out and cooking squirrel with minimal ingredients i was "bugging out"... wow.
By the way... it IS a 1322... with a longer barrel. I appreciate the 1322 return... but the backpacker??? I think that for the price i rather order a 1322 with a metal breech and a MIM sight... and i think a lot of people will find that set up more useful.
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Yep, the backpacker is a member of the 13xx family.
I agree a steel breech makes 1322/1377 an excellent gun.
The steel breech will do the same for the 2289.
But have you pumped a backpacker? That forearm is the best.
Add that forearm to any 13xx and now it becomes the backpacker.
Oh and add the skeleton stock.
Along with the steel breech, all my pampers get the backpacker forearm.
I bought the bugout to support crosman in bringing it back which means the forearms and quick detach stocks will continue to be available as parts.
The four Pc77s, two 1377c, one 1322 I own have been turned into carbines with the backpacker forearm.
I also own 4 backpackers, 1 - 1389, 1 - stock 2289G, 2 - custom 2289Gs.
Did I mention I am crazy about these guns?
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I was thinking that this model would make for a better "Back-Packer" type of a/g, The 1322 w/ a Crosman steel breech and 1399 shoulder stock, and lastly a flat-top piston and a decent scope(mine's got a 3-12 x 40 AO), and the power is just a little less than my 2289 set-up, w/ 13.59 fpe using a 15.9gr Jumbo Straton @ 620fps, I think that the 2289 produces more fps is due to the 24" barrel, as opposed to the 1322's considerably shorter barrel, but if you got your sights on a squirrel that's rustling around below your treestand, I don't think it'll make much of a difference. One thing I really don't like about the 1322 is the lack of being able to add a longer barrel, the 1322's barrel band prevents you from modding the barrel as the original 1322 barrel has been recessed at the top, or I would of switched up to the 24" a long time ago, but as I said, I don't think the difference should affect the outcome. Cheer's, Andy.
Hey Andy, you can change the barrel on the 1322. A. Get a 2289G barrel band from crosman, less than $4. Or if you are careful you can drill out the original barrel band to 7/16.
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The logic is that airguns are not firearms under Federal law and that if, in the future, laws were changed to ban all firearms and ammunition, along with confiscating them, you would still have a way to feed yourself in a world gone upside-down.
I'd get as many spare parts for it as I could, also.
If the Federal Government ever tried to ban firearms, it would lead to another civil war. Every person who owned a gun and was passionate about keeping it would take up arms. We're talking about an actual, honest-to-goodness scenario where many people would grab their guns and run. Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?
Aside from the gun issue, the kit is pretty pedestrian at best, and is comprised of items most of us already have in our homes. Basically, it is just a chance for Crosman to sell us things we already have. On top of that, what IS there is not nearly enough. You still need things like fishing line, matches, a good knife, etc.
I'm not saying the kit wouldn't have its uses. I was merely stating that it's not, by any means, a suitablly supplied "bugout" kit.
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I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.
I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.
The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.
I read that you can order as long as it is under .18 no limit fps.
That is also true.
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Thanks to Bowhunt, I called Pyramyd air to change my shipping address for the backpacker kit and to my surprise it was just in time, they are shipping in the morning, Wednesday 26th.
Glad it worked out Bert! Yes the law has been changed. Larger than .18 cal still has to be 700 fps or less. No velocity restriction on smaller than .18 cal.
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the pellet guns are our last refuge as far as arms go. i personally don't figure the myans had any special knowlege. but there are lots of other reasons to put airguns in our back-up plan.
mark
Sheesh. You make it sound like I don't like airguns or think they are useful, which is far, far from the truth. I never said it was pointless to have an airgun. Or a Grab-N-Go kit. I have several airguns, and I love them. I already know which ones would come with me in a Grab-Your-S***-And-Run scenario. (The Benji 397 is #1 on that list for the sheer reason that, as a pumper, I would never run out of air with it.)
All I said was that this particular "bugout kit" does not appeal to me for reasons I've already stated and don't feel like retyping. In my opinion, this kit is a marketing gimmick Crosman is utilizing based on the American People's disenchantment with the government and overall paranoia. (And if you don't believe the American People are paranoid, please look back on the last 13 years and count the number of times people have braced for "doomsday," be it SARS, Y2K, The Mayan Calendar, Bird Flu, etc.) Crosman is in the business of selling things, so kudos to them for capitalizing on a nice opportunity.
I will not buy one. If you want to buy one, please do. I hope you enjoy the heck out of it. I also hope you never have to use it for it's intended purpose.
Me? I'm covered.
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I agree. And to come out and say is not a 1322... as if it was better than a 1322... I also agree that having an airgun on Doomsday scenarios is not an advantage if a firearm is available. It has a limited scope of use and anything an airgun can do for you then would be also covered with a .22 rifle/pistol and a decent selection of rounds (cb shorts, sss snipers, cci mini mags round solids...). they can be quiet, slow, fast, fragmenting and most certainly an advantage. Now it is comfortable to have an airgun so you may save on ammo... leave a smaller auditive footprint (a gunshot is a gunshot... an airgun shot could be a staplegun...)
Dont get me wrong... i love my airguns way more than my firearms, but i wont chance it when it comes to my family depending on something to fill their tummies, and in a worst case scenario, defend them (I know, a .22 is not a defensive round... But is better than an airgun on that respect. Also check out those guys shooting metal plates at lighting speeds... no one wants to get hit by a bullet, or three, so it can give your loved ones some "run away and hide " time...)
in the blog "survivalblog" there was a story of a guy depending on a 2100 and BBs to put food on the table during some hard times... it was also posted here i think... I printed that article and put it amongst other "important" papers in my travel bible... it is humbilng and it always reminds me of their capabilities. Its ok for crosman to market them in any fashion they want... But lets call it what it is...
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I don't believe the end of the world will be a long drawn out affair with walking dead people wandering the earth trying to eat my flesh. Nor do I believe there will be rampant chaotic lawlessness. I plan on eating like I do now, if doomsday comes and kills all the cows, pigs and chickens, do you really think the rabbits, squirrels, and other game will be around? Will the earth be so contaminated that we can't grow vegetables? If so how will we make it through? Do I need to worry that my neighbors and friends of many years will want to kill me to get my rabbit stew? Why would they if i make enough for everybody. If it is going to be that bad, I don't want to survive, I will stick to my plan of being raptured before doomsday gets here.
I do think it is wise to have a "bugout" bag but only for personal tragedy ie. house burns down, tornado/hurricane, wild fire, flood etc. you know typical natural disaster. The best thing to have in it, cash.
I do not have any sort of gun in that disaster bugout bag.
I for one did not buy this kit to survive, I bought it for the gun. I wish they didn't include all of this distracting stuff and put a cheaper price on the gun.
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If the Federal Government ever tried to ban firearms, it would lead to another civil war. Every person who owned a gun and was passionate about keeping it would take up arms. We're talking about an actual, honest-to-goodness scenario where many people would grab their guns and run. Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?
O course, if you were evacuated from your home for your own safety in a time of social unrest, you would not be permitted to bring firearms with you.
While you are in the FEMA camp, they thoroughly search your home and confiscate your weapons to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.
Naturally, any firearms with a paper trail would be the easiest to locate, along with their owners. Even, if they can't find the weapons, they still have you until you voluntarily give them up !
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Mine is shipping today. That's a lot better than their 5 October prediction. I think the price is reasonable. It is only $40 more than a 1322 and you get the quick-detach stock, better pump handle, 12" barrel and a tube marked "2289 Backpacker". The "doomsday" marketing does not matter - it's the price that caused me to purchase it. Now maybe 2289 parts will be available again.
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Mine is shipping today. That's a lot better than their 5 October prediction. I think the price is reasonable. It is only $40 more than a 1322 and you get the quick-detach stock, better pump handle, 12" barrel and a tube marked "2289 Backpacker". The "doomsday" marketing does not matter - it's the price that caused me to purchase it. Now maybe 2289 parts will be available again.
Right on!
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The idea is to bug out before the govt comes. ;) Right now the only paper trail is the background check you fill out when you purchase a gun - which does not give make, mode or cal - only that it is a long gun or handgun (at least at my local Academy). You could have sold them a local gun show or they could have been stolen. ;D Like some I am thinking of getting one for the gun only - but would shoot the pellets into the targets and put something like a coffee bottle in the backpack for early mornings on the deer stand. I think everyone knows that this is just a marketing ploy and not a true bugout bag - the appeal is the gun.
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O course, if you were evacuated from your home for your own safety in a time of social unrest, you would not be permitted to bring firearms with you.
While you are in the FEMA camp, they thoroughly search your home and confiscate your weapons to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.
Naturally, any firearms with a paper trail would be the easiest to locate, along with their owners. Even, if they can't find the weapons, they still have you until you voluntarily give them up !
I see. So, in this hypothetical example, the US government would send troops to evacuate over 100 million American homes. (They would have to do this all at once in order to maintain the secrecy of their true mission, which is, of course, to steal our guns.) Said troops would then basically break into these 100+ million homes and thoroughly search them for any firearms, registered or otherwise, and then proceed to confiscate any that they found before allowing Americans to return to their homes. Afterward, they would visit every gun store, pawn shop, and sporting goods store (including the sporting goods departments of stores like Wal Mart, etc.) in the country and confiscate every gun in their inventory, as well. And, of course, these troops would leave all our airguns behind because the military of this country certainly would not consider an airgun dangerous. I can see that conversation already:
Private: Sarge, what about this gun?
Sarge: Nah, that's just a .357 Sam Yang air rifle. Leave that behind. It ain't dangerous.
Private: You sure, Sarge? These slugs look pretty big.
Sarge: You have your orders, private!
Aside from the manpower issues involved (The US government simply does not have enough troops to pull something like this off, especially not all at once.), the logistics are so far fetched as to be the stuff of sci-fi movies. Where, exactly, would the government shuttle 350 million citizens while their homes are searched? Where would they put us? How would they feed us? How would they govern us? Remember, all 2,000,000 or so US soldiers are out ransacking our homes, including the over 1,000,000 currently stationed overseas, who were, of course, brought back for this mission. So who would control the crowded, fearful, and overly anxious people that were stuck in these FEMA camps, which would have to be located in some sort of alternate universe just to have enough room to physically store us?
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I think everyone knows that this is just a marketing ploy and not a true bugout bag - the appeal is the gun.
Fair enough. This is me shutting up now.
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amen. And in case of a government take over, i think we forget that the soldiers that would be oppressing the population are part of us... and i remember that I was only under oath to obey "lawful" orders... The constitution that i swore an oath to ensured that we can all "bear arms"... That order would be my cue to "go home, and protect my country"...
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I see. So, in this hypothetical example, the US government would send troops to evacuate over 100 million American homes. (They would have to do this all at once in order to maintain the secrecy of their true mission, which is, of course, to steal our guns.) Said troops would then basically break into these 100+ million homes and thoroughly search them for any firearms, registered or otherwise, and then proceed to confiscate any that they found before allowing Americans to return to their homes. Afterward, they would visit every gun store, pawn shop, and sporting goods store (including the sporting goods departments of stores like Wal Mart, etc.) in the country and confiscate every gun in their inventory, as well. And, of course, these troops would leave all our airguns behind because the military of this country certainly would not consider an airgun dangerous. I can see that conversation already:
Private: Sarge, what about this gun?
Sarge: Nah, that's just a .357 Sam Yang air rifle. Leave that behind. It ain't dangerous.
Private: You sure, Sarge? These slugs look pretty big.
Sarge: You have your orders, private!
Aside from the manpower issues involved (The US government simply does not have enough troops to pull something like this off, especially not all at once.), the logistics are so far fetched as to be the stuff of sci-fi movies. Where, exactly, would the government shuttle 350 million citizens while their homes are searched? Where would they put us? How would they feed us? How would they govern us? Remember, all 2,000,000 or so US soldiers are out ransacking our homes, including the over 1,000,000 currently stationed overseas, who were, of course, brought back for this mission. So who would control the crowded, fearful, and overly anxious people that were stuck in these FEMA camps, which would have to be located in some sort of alternate universe just to have enough room to physically store us?
This is getting way too far off the original topic .
I'll leave you with this - Google "Infraguard".
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I'll leave you with this - Google "Infraguard".
Will do. I'll also Google UFO's, The Loch Ness Monster, and Zombie Invasion while I am at it.
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Mine is here. I like it, the stock is very snug, so tight that it is much more difficult to remove than my backpackers of old. Of course, my old one are well used.
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Mine is here. I like it, the stock is very snug, so tight that it is much more difficult to remove than my backpackers of old. Of course, my old one are well used.
Nice! 8) Can we get some pics?
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Mine is here. I like it, the stock is very snug, so tight that it is much more difficult to remove than my backpackers of old. Of course, my old one are well used.
Nice! 8) Can we get some pics?
X2 on pics!
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I will post up some pics tomorrow. Saturday . Possibly a vid too.
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I have lost interest in killing and I am too old to care if the world lasts forever, but I still like to play with air guns.
I agree with you.
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I received mine today. The tube is marked "BACKPACKER 2289G"
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KEWL.... and the barrel length, is it 14.6" like the 2289G?....
Bob
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The barrel is 12"
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Does anyone have the experience of removing the front sight? If so, please share your experience.
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Does anyone have the experience of removing the front sight? If so, please share your experience.
The standard Crosman front sight is easy to remove just by tapping it off with a wooden block and small mallet. I took a small piece of scrap pine, and with it firmly against the back of the sight assembly, gently gently used a tiny mallet to tap it off. It popped off pretty easily and was held upright by a flat cut out in the barrel.
I removed mine because the flat cut in the barrel was canted in one direction, so the sight blade sat off to one side. I replaced it with a much nicer Lyman target sight.
Stock sight...
(http://imageshack.us/a/img28/8136/p1000676y.jpg)
Replacement...
(http://imageshack.us/a/img221/3216/p1000719r.jpg)
Andrew
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So, if you please, you that know this one....
and now have the 'new version' Backpacker....
where would you rate it overall, right out of the box,
say, a scale from 0-10.
[not incl. bag, bottle, etc ]
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nice sight... and recrown! but isnt it tilted backwards???
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nice sight... and recrown! but isnt it tilted backwards???
The sight tilted backwards? The front sight is perfectly level, but my less than stellar camera gives it a bit of a warped look. The picture also makes it looks like there is a bulge in the bottom of the "brake" that the sight is dovetailed into.
Andrew
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I was right, the barrel is shorter on the new model, but it still looks like you can get one of Crosmans m/b's on there, Too bad, I got two sittin' here not doing anything(one black, one silver), their very in-expensive, and come with a front post, in case you want to add a Williams rear peep/notch sight(or not), Scopes & Ammo, have a ported brass model for sale, http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/brass-muzzle-brake-for-crosman-13xx17xx22xx-p-423 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/brass-muzzle-brake-for-crosman-13xx17xx22xx-p-423) , They used to sell the ones made by Crosman, but I would imagine they're available directly from Crosman,,Check out their web-site. Cheer's, Andy.
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i must been suffering of "parallax" issues on my peepers...lol
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Could we please get a review.
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Could we please get a review.
Here is a new video review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi8IUOsKSY&feature=player_embedded#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi8IUOsKSY&feature=player_embedded#ws)
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I could not restrain myself, so I pre ordered one.
I did too, but I live in Illinois so I am having it shipped to my brother in Georgia.
The law has changed and they should ship a 22 to IL as long as it is below 700 fps muzzle velocity.
You are right. I just ordered a 392 from RL and they shipped to Il.
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Everyone:
Academy Sports also has it in this weeks flyer. $109.00
Crosman Doomsday Bug Out Kit
Item #:30061SKU #:0022713622
In Stock at this time...
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I'll just use a 1322 on the zombies. I do not think that they will be be able to tell it's not a 2289 after I shoot out their eyes! :P
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HAHAHA!!!! I just built a bug out kit in my truck... and i could not resist and threw my modded 13xx in it with the red dot and a tin of 14.3 cps
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Pretty impressed with the test video. Thanks for posting that. I have no .22 cal airguns, and this one might just be on my list for my Christmas present to me.
As an aside, my deceased Dad grew up in Oregon. His Dad abandoned his family never to be seen again. My Grandma had to support the family alone. My Dad's uncle and him used to load up some kit and go live off the land in the deep woods in Oregon sometimes for a few weeks. Also my Dad, if the family was going to have meat, had to go hunting and bag something. He gave me the .22 rifle that he used for everything way back. It's a Savage pump action quick take down gun with an octagon barrel and open sights. I haven't shot it a lot, but enough to know that it's plenty accurate to 50 nyards and probably beyond. That's as far out as I've fired it. I'd guess it was made in the 1920s. You remove a large knurled round nut that holds the action to the receiver and it comes apart into 3 pieces. It's a working gun and no wall hanger, and it's with me for life. It'l shoot .22S,L, and LR ammo and the action is smooth as butter.
However, I would like one of these new Crosman airguns. I have an acre on the Big Island of Hawaii and shoot my airguns here with proper target setup etc. Also, I think this little takedown airgun would be good to take over to my daughter's and son in laws place here and try to bag a few mongoose that are trying to decimate their chickens. A .22 pellet at 450-500fps and good accuracy should nail some of those little ba#terds!!!
By the way, Hawaii has some prettyb restrictive gun laws here. If you move here you are required to take all your smokeless burning firearms to a local Police station and register them with serial numbers etc. You can bring handguns, but, I think buying them here is pretty tough. On paper you can apply for a concealed weapons permit, but in reality noone (outside of politicians and retired Police I imagin) ever really gets one approved. I don't want one anyway. I did have one for some 35 years in Wa. State though I seldome carried. I did have occasion to use a handgun in self defense once when a nutcase smashed his way into my house about 11:00PM on my 22nd birthday (I'm now 59). I didn't have to fire the gun but held the dude at gunpoint and called the Police and they came and took him away to a nice jail cell for a short time.
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Mine looks like this now.
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GRRRR .... i need that rear sight!!!! i want a MIM sight!!!! CURSE YOU... CROSMAN!!!! lol
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GRRRR .... i need that rear sight!!!! i want a MIM sight!!!! CURSE YOU... CROSMAN!!!! lol
I am using a Williams WGRS-54 with optional fire sight aperture and a 760 fiber optic front sight.
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I. Love. IT!!!! where did you get it???
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I. Love. IT!!!! where did you get it???
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)
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Sorry to revive an old thread but was hoping someone could answer a question for me. Right now Walmart has this kit for 69 bucks shipped free. I was about to buy it but cannot figure out something.
On PA's site it shows pics of the gun with the 12 inch barrel. On Crosman's own site and Walmart's site it has the exact same kit but obviously shows the gun with a longer 14 inch barrel.
So can anyway confirm the length of the barrel on the kits shipping now. I know most of you were indicating it was now a 12 inch barrel. I am just trying to figure out if they are now shipping with 14 inch barrels or are these mistakes in the pictures. I could understand them making a mistake in the pic at Walmart but not at Crosman's site.
Thanks for the help
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Wal-Mart uses stock photos. Not always a photo of the specific item.
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I just went out and measured the length of my 12" barreled backpacker I just got from walmart on their $75 sale, it is just over 27" long. Walmart is stating in their $69 add that it is 30.something" long, which would add up to a 14.6" long barrel. Using the same part# 30061 in a search, I was taken to Crosman's site and they show it with a long barrel also. Also the FPS are different on the two sale guns, $75 was 490 and $69 is 525. I'm going to call tomorrow and see if this can be sorted out. Regards, Tom
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I just went out and measured the length of my 12" barreled backpacker I just got from walmart on their $75 sale, it is just over 27" long. Walmart is stating in their $69 add that it is 30.something" long, which would add up to a 14.6" long barrel. Using the same part# 30061 in a search, I was taken to Crosman's site and they show it with a long barrel also. Also the FPS are different on the two sale guns, $75 was 490 and $69 is 525. I'm going to call tomorrow and see if this can be sorted out. Regards, Tom
Yes I also noticed the difference in FPS between the guns in the ads. Please let us know what you find out.
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I think you will probably get a 12" barrel if you order one of these (2289G). I put a 14" barrel on mine and used the 12" barrel for a 1322. I think it is a real bargain for a 1322 + 12"barrel +stock. The other things that came with it are irrelevant to me. A lot of the ads showed the old version. Here is a correct picture.
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I think you will probably get a 12" barrel if you order one of these (2289G). I put a 14" barrel on mine and used the 12" barrel for a 1322. I think it is a real bargain for a 1322 + 12"barrel +stock. The other things that came with it are irrelevant to me. A lot of the ads showed the old version. Here is a correct picture.
Yes I think you are correct in that I am likely to get the 12 inch barrel. Either was really fine for the money. I just liked the cosmetics of the 14 inch over the 12 inch and of course +-30FPS didn't hurt either.
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I called Crosman this morning, their representative said that the barrel in the doomsday kit is 12". He acknowledged the wrong measurements and weight printed on the package. Regards, Tom
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I called Crosman this morning, their representative said that the barrel in the doomsday kit is 12". He acknowledged the wrong measurements and weight printed on the package. Regards, Tom
OK. I figured that was probably the case. I ordered one anyway. Should be here in a day or two. Thanks for the info.
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Here's a heads-up on a limited stock of Original Crosman 2289G/Backpacker's. I picked another one up, and 24" barrel just to keep in the box in case something happens to the one I'm using now, I recently picked up a flat-top piston kit for one of my 1322's, but I think I'll be putting into the 2289, just for the ease of pumping as well as being able to mod the 2289 into many more different variation's . Don't get me wrong I love the 1322, but aside from putting a steel breech, and a flat-top piston, as well as a shoulder stock that's about it, you can't even put on a muzzlebrake, at least with the 2289 you have the option of putting on a different length of barrel, I have a 24" barrel on mine now, and it is such a sweet shooter, super accurate w/ the right ammo, and with the flat-top piston/ "Crooked Barn" breech(aluminum) the gun puts out 680fps with 15.9 JSB Jumbo Straton's(& just over 800fps w/ 10.3gr Skenco's 8)), which is OK in my book, and another plus to this combois that even scoped out with a 4-16x44 AO/E it doesn't make you bust a nut toting around in the field all day. Here's the link: http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-2289g-pistolcarbine-p-842 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-2289g-pistolcarbine-p-842) , These guy's(namely Eric) are fantastic to deal with, alway's managing to pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat when it comes to things like this, and they also carry quite the selection of after-market Crosman/QB78(D)-79 part's at good pricing. So, check them out, I'm sure you'll be pleased with their selection/level of service. Cheer's & Happy Huntin', Andy.
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I see that Crosman (at Amazon.com) is akso selling the 1322 with the rifle stock and a couple other things for $79.99. It has the stock 10" tube on it.
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I've been researching Crosman pistols lately. That Walmart price is great, and I'll watch their website for (maybe) an "after Christmas sale". Not sure yet if I want a pumper, but if the price goes even lower I wouldn't mind it over a CO2 gun.
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Nice elephant there tlevta.
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Thanks. Not mine, but I like the photo.
If Walmart drops the price another $10, I'm gonna get a B/O kit. Not crazy about pumpers, but I like carbines. A lot.
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http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Doomsday-Bug-Out-Survival-Kit/21311833 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Doomsday-Bug-Out-Survival-Kit/21311833)
Dropped it to $69 after I bought one for the $75 price.
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Yes, I've seen that new price, but I want to think it'll drop down to $59 later.
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Thanks for the thread. I just bought this @ Walmart for $69. Can't wait to start the mods :)
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to anyone interested there is a review of it in New frontiersman Magazine. it even speaks about the 1377 as a predecessor true and tested. by the way... it is a pretty interesting magazine too.
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OK! New Years Resolution is broken already. I just ordered the Bug Out kit fom Wally-World.
DT
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The link I had originally put up for the few remaining ORIGINAL 2289G's in existence has been changed. So, here's the new Link: http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-2289g-pistolcarbine-p-843 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-2289g-pistolcarbine-p-843) ,I just received my *New* 2289G BackPacker the other day, and out of the box, It's still the good lookin' gun it's always been,. Personally I think the new 2289's being offered by Crosman in their Stupid!! "Bug-Out" gimmick are &^^&!. It may as well be a 1322 for what it's worth. I've included a few pic's, One is a comparison of an original 2289g w/ a modded 2289g, also a pic of a 2289g against a 1322, and lastly a pic of a maxxed out 1322, and a regular 1322(both have a flat-top piston installed,and Crosman steel breech, I have a "Crooked Barn" aluminum breech on my modded 2289G, and for what it's worth Crosman produces a much better breech, I think I'll be relegating the C/B breech to my 1322 pistol, if not putting it away as a spare. The Original 2289G Backpacker was, and still is a great gun in it's original form, The new one may as well be 1322. Cheer's, Andy.
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Yea, but there is a big problem with that link.
That 2289 they are selling has been detuned for Canada. The 2289 that Wal-Mart sells has not. I would think that would be a deciding factor for sure.
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Yup, you're right,,That's why I modded them all with a flat-top piston, http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194) , It may be a little work, but in the end I'll have a shooter that'll blow away any store bought Crosman 2289, which is de-tuned, even with out adding the FTP, the only difference is the bleeder hole on the valve, fill that in with a little solder, and you're good to go. Cheer's, Andy.
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That's a reasonable deal for both valve and piston. Do they port the valve in an angle like the other ones I've seen for sale? Do you use regular lead solder for that bleed hole? Cool photos of your collection, BTW.
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As far as I know, the valve that comes with the FTP Kit is basically the US valve, so no work needs to be done to it at all,,Out of the box, with no work done to it, You can expect a M/V of around 495-505fps, with the bleeder plugged you should be getting around 600fps using 14.3gr Crosman Domes, with the bleeder plugged(or a US valve), and the FTP kit installed you should be getting around 700fps, with mine, I'm getting close to 700fps using 15.8gr Jumbo Stratons,& over 725fps using 14.3gr Crosman Dome's (and around 825fps using 10.1gr Skenco alloy round's, with my highest reading coming in at 875fps w/ Crosman SSP's), and w/ a 24" Crosman Barrel attached(originally meant for a 2260) I'm squeeezing every last bit of power that unit can produce. I've seen some real "Frankenstein" 2289's sporting 60+" barrel's out there that are pushing 1000fps, but thats with quite a bit more work than just switching a barrel, adding a Steel Breech/FTP/US Valve. I'm extremely happy with my set-up, Outstandingly accurate with the right ammo(ammo selection is the key to success when using Crosman Barrels of any length due to the slightness in their Rifling, aside from the .177 10.1" "Lothar Walther"), Outside of JSB's(which have very thin skirts near the bottom of the pellet), I find Air Arm's Falcon's which are Dome's weighing in @13.43gr https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-arms-falcon-22-cal-5-52mm-13-43-grains-domed-500ct?p=716 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-arms-falcon-22-cal-5-52mm-13-43-grains-domed-500ct?p=716) ,to be one of the best lead pellets you can use in any of the .22 Crosman Pistol/Rifle offering's out there, BTW There's a *New* pellet coming onto the scene with the right weight,B/C,Shape,etc,. that's being brought out by FX, http://airgunsource.com/store/index.php?product=FX-552216 (http://airgunsource.com/store/index.php?product=FX-552216) ,They came out the same time FX was bringing out their new "Smooth-Twist" barreled A/G's, and let me tell you,,,These pellet's are as "Tony the Tiger" would say "The'r-r-r-e GREAT", If you haven't tried them out, I urge you to give them a try, I find them to be extremely accurate in all of my .22 shooters. Cheer's, and Happy Huntin', Andy.
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Just a quick question about the backpacker: can anybody suggest a sling for it? Yes, I realize that the whole idea behind is that it is collapsible, but I am interested in slinging it and hiking with just the gun and bare essentials.....
thanks in advance.....
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I've got one of these for my Marauder Pistol:
http://www.voodootactical.net/p-433-voodoo-tactical-single-point-tactical-rifle-sling-wbungee.aspx (http://www.voodootactical.net/p-433-voodoo-tactical-single-point-tactical-rifle-sling-wbungee.aspx)
But I've got a Tippman stock on the Prod, so you'll need to put some kind of loop on the stock for the hook to attach it.
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thank you for that... I was thinking of a more traditional sling, with hard points on the stock and forward grip....
something like Allen Co's sling and swivel set.....
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Walmart has pulled the $69.00 price midnight last night...."dang" "dang" "dang". It's $87.00 now. I waited an hour too long. "dang" "dang"...arggggg.
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I just received my Bug-Out kit today and was wanting to do some mods on it, but Im not sure what I should do first. I'm thinking the Crosman Steel Breech and then a FTP and valve. Can someone tell me where I can get the FTP and valve assembly? Wanted to get them from MellonAire but he's back-ordered for too long. (I'm impatient) LOL...
I also thought about filing down the OE piston but that would still require a new valve assembly, right?
ANY suggestions for these and any other mod parts for the 2289 would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks in advance...
CharlesA.
Upon further reading, perhaps I should have said....IN THE U.S.A.... as I didnt want the hassle of outside shipping,etc.!
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I just received my Bug-Out kit today and was wanting to do some mods on it, but Im not sure what I should do first. I'm thinking the Crosman Steel Breech and then a FTP and valve. Can someone tell me where I can get the FTP and valve assembly? Wanted to get them from MellonAire but he's back-ordered for too long. (I'm impatient) LOL...
I also thought about filing down the OE piston but that would still require a new valve assembly, right?
ANY suggestions for these and any other mod parts for the 2289 would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks in advance...
CharlesA.
Roy at Mountain Air guns has the parts too. go to the GTA Mall at the top of the page for the link. also Crosmods is in the mall but havent seemany real reviews of them yet.
After speaking to Roy, he's the man in my book.
BZ
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Im having a 1322 carbine customized by Mountain air right now. While I would have liked to do over the 1322 myself, by the time the basic 1322 acquisition, FTP, better trigger, steel breech, longer barrels etc are bought, shipping, etc. I said screw it, and have Mountain Air supply the iron and get it done. I thought his price was fair.
Still think about owning a Bugout airgun to really put something of myself into the airgun as opposed to turnkey, but there will always be time for that.
Hard part is waiting for the delivery
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You can actually buy some parts through Amazon.com. They sell the metal breeches, barrels, and other stuff.
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I wonder sometimes if people actually read any of the posts put down in this thread.I posted numerously the link on where to obtain everything needed to "modify"2289'/1322's, These are great, I've used them in all of my 22XX/13XX build's, :http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194 ,and as far as Third-Party offerings for Crosman/QB build's I find them to be second to none(lot's of Brass & chromed item's for real "Bling", http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/index.php/airgun-parts-custom-service-c-38 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/index.php/airgun-parts-custom-service-c-38) , I'm debating getting a set of custom wood grips,It would be the cherry on a sundae for my 1322 pistol ;).There was a question regarding what type of sling would be good for a Crosman build, I've found that with a little work you can come up with one that's almost a perfect fit. firstly get yourself a sling minus the swivels I've simply slipped the front part onto the barrel, then replaced the muzzle break, the rear part simply fits around/through the stock skeleton, and is securely held in place by it's own strap ring, or for ease you can just use a "shot-gun" sling., "Butler Creek", has a wide selection, with quite a few different camo patterns, all come with a thick foam pad,& thumb-loop that makes carrying the heaviest gun you have a breeze to carry for a day in the field, but the ones you can get at Wally World for a couple buck's work just as well,my 2289 w/ a 24" barrel, and a 4-16X40 A/O on top only comes in at a few pound's anyway's.
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Ayup I read your post. and I tried the link. Great site BUT they only service the Canadian marlet.
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they are in stock on walm__t.com
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Gee, Do I ever feel like a tool,,,,I never realized that S&A didn't send their stuff stateside. Sorry Guy's..,Andy.
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I was disapointed they dont ship stateside. But its a super comprehensive store and Im bookmarking it for reference purposes anyways.
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S&A must have changed their policies I ordered a 2289g from them in 2010 for 79.99 with 33.00 shipping. It took 6 weeks to get the gun, it sat in US customs for 5 weeks. The gun was shipped from Australia. At the time that was the only 2289's available. Still have the gun but it is apart for upgrades, including a FT piston set.
There is a guy on eBay offering FT piston/pump sets for less than 50.00 and is offering other crosman upgrade products.
DT
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I wonder sometimes if people actually read any of the posts put down in this thread.I posted numerously the link on where to obtain everything needed to "modify"2289'/1322's, These are great, I've used them in all of my 22XX/13XX build's, :http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php/crosman-13xx2289-flat-top-piston-kit-p-194 ,and as far as Third-Party offerings for Crosman/QB build's I find them to be second to none(lot's of Brass & chromed item's for real "Bling", http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/index.php/airgun-parts-custom-service-c-38 (http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/index.php/airgun-parts-custom-service-c-38) , I'm debating getting a set of custom wood grips,It would be the cherry on a sundae for my 1322 pistol ;).There was a question regarding what type of sling would be good for a Crosman build, I've found that with a little work you can come up with one that's almost a perfect fit. firstly get yourself a sling minus the swivels I've simply slipped the front part onto the barrel, then replaced the muzzle break, the rear part simply fits around/through the stock skeleton, and is securely held in place by it's own strap ring, or for ease you can just use a "shot-gun" sling., "Butler Creek", has a wide selection, with quite a few different camo patterns, all come with a thick foam pad,& thumb-loop that makes carrying the heaviest gun you have a breeze to carry for a day in the field, but the ones you can get at Wally World for a couple buck's work just as well,my 2289 w/ a 24" barrel, and a 4-16X40 A/O on top only comes in at a few pound's anyway's.
Nevermind
BZ
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Im having a 1322 carbine customized by Mountain air right now. While I would have liked to do over the 1322 myself, by the time the basic 1322 acquisition, FTP, better trigger, steel breech, longer barrels etc are bought, shipping, etc. I said screw it, and have Mountain Air supply the iron and get it done. I thought his price was fair.
Still think about owning a Bugout airgun to really put something of myself into the airgun as opposed to turnkey, but there will always be time for that.
Hard part is waiting for the delivery
I agree, eating a few naeighborhood cats to save some shekels fast for a Mountain Air build too ;)
BZ
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in further searching for a useful sling - does anyone know if there is a replacement pump-tube cap with a swivel/boss attached? with the short barrel (and without replacing said barrel), a shotgun sling will pretty much rest on the forward sight....
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upon further review - that's not a cap.... it's a piece of plastic that's molded to look like a cap.....
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that would be a great anchor point, like a sling stud sticking out of the front of the barre band. then anothet back on the stock and voila!!! i'll try to drill one in. (But one of those fancy metal bands would be the best if they had it built in.)
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its funny... I think that i was cooler than crosman for a little while... I have a 1377 with a breech and a 13 inch .22 barrel with a mild port job and a heavy spring shooting 510 with crosman prems (14.3) at 12 pumps... it has a small 2.5 inch "still air chamber" attached to the muzzle to "protect the crown" and it is a quiet little rifle... It lives in a little green back pack with a folder, a pepsi can stove and 5 fuels... 2 plastic water bottles and a roll of water purification tabs. 1 pair of socks and a wool blanket. The rifle wears open sights and a little 4x scope zeroed at 20 yards... i guess when i was camping out and cooking squirrel with minimal ingredients i was "bugging out"... wow.
By the way... it IS a 1322... with a longer barrel. I appreciate the 1322 return... but the backpacker??? I think that for the price i rather order a 1322 with a metal breech and a MIM sight... and i think a lot of people will find that set up more useful.
Funny thing about internet forums (and the internet in general) is I am forever finding out about things that I never gave a 2nd thought to but have all of a sudden realize that I absolutely MUST have! Case in point is the Crosman Doomsday Kit. Until I saw the post about the deeply discounted on-line sale at WalMart a few days ago, I never knew anything about it. Well now, my interest is piqued but the WalMart sale is over. Further reading on this forum and others has lead me to believe that the "Bug Out Kit" as packaged is more of a marketing gimmick and less of a "survival system". It is clear to me that heart of the kit is the pistol and the skeletonized stock. The backpack, water bottle, 1st aid kit, some pellets and a few targets are purely fluff. Since I have most of the "fluff" laying around the house (and probably better stuff anyway) I decided to seek out just the pistol and "mod" it out as needed. While there appears to be some difference of opinion, it looks like the 1322 might be an excellent starting point. My LGS is ordering a 1322 for me and my out the door cost should be about $50 +/-. I'll be on the look out for a decent price on the skeleton stock. I can proceed with the "other" mods discussed in this and other forums at my own pace. I'm looking forward to getting my 1322 in a few days and gettin' goin' on my personalized "bug out" system. BTW, I love the "international flavor" of this forum! Hats off to the Canucks, Brits, Aussies (and others too) for providing the level of interest that ensures the air gun industry keeps up with the latest technology for the product lines. Certainly, there's a great deal of interest in the USA and that may even get kicked up a notch or two in the not too distant future. We'll see. Later, Flex
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One thing I like about the "Bug Out Kit" is that the stock is quick release, so it quickly breaks down to fit into a pack. I have a new 1377 on the way to me and plan to get the rifle stock for it. Amazon had this Bug Out kit but it's not available there now. I guess that's okay with me because all my pellet guns are in .177 now. I would have had to order a bunch of .22 cal pellets to try in the new gun.
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Another thing I like about the bug out kit if the pump forearm. I don't know if they still make them. Just talked to crosman about barrels but forgot to ask about the forearm
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The current (black) Bug-out forearm grip is part # 1389-025 and cost $8.75 recently plus shipping ($4 per order) from Crosman.
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Funny thing about internet forums (and the internet in general) is I am forever finding out about things that I never gave a 2nd thought to but have all of a sudden realize that I absolutely MUST have! Case in point is the Crosman Doomsday Kit. Until I saw the post about the deeply discounted on-line sale at WalMart a few days ago, I never knew anything about it. Well now, my interest is piqued but the WalMart sale is over. Further reading on this forum and others has lead me to believe that the "Bug Out Kit" as packaged is more of a marketing gimmick and less of a "survival system". It is clear to me that heart of the kit is the pistol and the skeletonized stock. The backpack, water bottle, 1st aid kit, some pellets and a few targets are purely fluff. Since I have most of the "fluff" laying around the house (and probably better stuff anyway) I decided to seek out just the pistol and "mod" it out as needed. While there appears to be some difference of opinion, it looks like the 1322 might be an excellent starting point. My LGS is ordering a 1322 for me and my out the door cost should be about $50 +/-. I'll be on the look out for a decent price on the skeleton stock. I can proceed with the "other" mods discussed in this and other forums at my own pace. I'm looking forward to getting my 1322 in a few days and gettin' goin' on my personalized "bug out" system. BTW, I love the "international flavor" of this forum! Hats off to the Canucks, Brits, Aussies (and others too) for providing the level of interest that ensures the air gun industry keeps up with the latest technology for the product lines. Certainly, there's a great deal of interest in the USA and that may even get kicked up a notch or two in the not too distant future. We'll see. Later, Flex
The stock is cheapest from the service department at Crosman, I have a nice list of part numbers on one of the computers at work that I keep meaning to order, but if you look at their parts break downs you can get all the part numbers handy then call them up and get cheap upgrades...
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So with all these talks...would it be cheaper to buy the 2289 bug out kit? Or buy parts and pieces?
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I think that would depend on what you want the gun's purpose to be, If you want a nice target/backyard plinker, the reguler gun without all the mod's would do you fine, If you want a general purpose shooter that you can target shoot with as well as do a little small game hunting, then I'd go for something that you can tune to your needs.you can add a flat-top-piston kit, longer barrel, muzzle brake, steel breech, some nice optic's and you got yourself a poorman's sniper gun ;), but that's still just one option of many, barrel length, optics are all options that you can change to suit your needs,, I've seen some nice 2289's with William's Notch/Peep sights, and cocobolo, mahogany, walnut, etc,. wood grips and they make excellent 10M target guns, as well as looking super sharp, then I've also seen ones converted to .177,, there are just so many options, that's why it's such a popular airgun, from novices to pro's, everyone loves a good Crosman 13XX/22XX build. Cheer's, Andy.
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So with all these talks...would it be cheaper to buy the 2289 bug out kit? Or buy parts and pieces?
The bugout kit has soime cool stuff in it and you get a pretty good deal on nthe stock and long enuf bARREL FOR MOST USES.
All the Crosman offerings are a good deal as buying individual parts gets way pricey. The wood shoulder stock is practically free when yoyu buy a Custom shop gun with that so you need to watch your accesorizing and get what you want that is expoensive in the package ypou buy and then personalize it to your needs and tastes. With about everything I do to a 1322 the Bug-out Kit would top out around $275 where it cost $260 to do it on a stock gun. The diffreence gets you msome cool dodads so it is a good bargain.
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So with all these talks...would it be cheaper to buy the 2289 bug out kit? Or buy parts and pieces?
The bugout kit has soime cool stuff in it and you get a pretty good deal on nthe stock and long enuf bARREL FOR MOST USES.
All the Crosman offerings are a good deal as buying individual parts gets way pricey. The wood shoulder stock is practically free when yoyu buy a Custom shop gun with that so you need to watch your accesorizing and get what you want that is expoensive in the package ypou buy and then personalize it to your needs and tastes. With about everything I do to a 1322 the Bug-out Kit would top out around $275 where it cost $260 to do it on a stock gun. The diffreence gets you msome cool dodads so it is a good bargain.
For me, it comes down to the fact that the WalMart Bug-Out Survival Kit would cost me ~$93 (tax incl) and the 1322 will be ~$50 (tax incl). Since I already have beaucoup backpacks and even more water bottles, I don't need their's. (The Crosman logo on the back pack might not allow for the low profile folks want to maintain if they're "buggin' out!) Targets are free for the asking on the internet (but there is some cost for ink and paper). My background allows me to piece together a far superior 1st aid kit and I have a tin of .22cal pellets waiting to be used. Basically, with a price difference of >$40, it means the stock would be quite a bit more than it will cost me from Crosman! Another consideration is that once the barrel length exceeds ~12", the gun becomes very unwieldly in the pistol mode. If you are never again going to use the gun in the pistol mode (and don't care if it no longer fits in the bug out bag), then the 14+" barrels aren't an issue. Another plus for me is that I'm giving my LGS business (always a good thing!) I'm not saying that the WalMart route is good or bad, it's just not the best option for me. Flex
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I bought the backpacker originally because the price seemed reasonable. The things that came with it were not a consideration. I came to regret the purchase mainly because of the stock. The stock has a small rubber pad to make it stable vertically, but the lack of screw holes makes it unstable horizontally. Also, I like to use it mostly in the pistol configuration. The pin that holds the stock on the frame hits my hand and makes it impossible to use in the pistol configuration. I had to remove the pin and that made the screw hole less stock unusable. If you wish to make your carbine fit in a backpack use a screwdriver.
This is the way mine looks now.
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So with all these talks...would it be cheaper to buy the 2289 bug out kit? Or buy parts and pieces?
The bugout kit has soime cool stuff in it and you get a pretty good deal on nthe stock and long enuf bARREL FOR MOST USES.
All the Crosman offerings are a good deal as buying individual parts gets way pricey. The wood shoulder stock is practically free when yoyu buy a Custom shop gun with that so you need to watch your accesorizing and get what you want that is expoensive in the package ypou buy and then personalize it to your needs and tastes. With about everything I do to a 1322 the Bug-out Kit would top out around $275 where it cost $260 to do it on a stock gun. The diffreence gets you msome cool dodads so it is a good bargain.
For me, it comes down to the fact that the WalMart Bug-Out Survival Kit would cost me ~$93 (tax incl) and the 1322 will be ~$50 (tax incl). Since I already have beaucoup backpacks and even more water bottles, I don't need their's. (The Crosman logo on the back pack might not allow for the low profile folks want to maintain if they're "buggin' out!) Targets are free for the asking on the internet (but there is some cost for ink and paper). My background allows me to piece together a far superior 1st aid kit and I have a tin of .22cal pellets waiting to be used. Basically, with a price difference of >$40, it means the stock would be quite a bit more than it will cost me from Crosman! Another consideration is that once the barrel length exceeds ~12", the gun becomes very unwieldly in the pistol mode. If you are never again going to use the gun in the pistol mode (and don't care if it no longer fits in the bug out bag), then the 14+" barrels aren't an issue. Another plus for me is that I'm giving my LGS business (always a good thing!) I'm not saying that the WalMart route is good or bad, it's just not the best option for me. Flex
I was also debating on wether to buy parts and pieces or the bug out kit. Decided to stick with parts and pieces. Here's what I got:
18" .22 barrel $13.35
2289 barrel band and pins $3.23
2289 pump arm and pins $10.50
1377 from Amazon $39.99
Crosman .22 steel breech + tax $48.25
Total $115.35
What's left:
Flat top piston & valve
Carbine stock
I was trying to stay under $200 and I think I did it. Anyway, I think bug out kit is not bad but I have too many water bottles and back packs so I decided against it. Now if Wallyworld price goes back to $69 I might buy one.
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I ordered one of the $39.99 Crosman 1377s also. Just got an email that it arrived at my PO Box today, but too late to pick it up.
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I ordered one of the $39.99 Crosman 1377s also. Just got an email that it arrived at my PO Box today, but too late to pick it up.
Bummer, that would be bad to know it is there and you can't get it :P
I didn't know they would ship to a PO Box? Might have to pick one up myself, where did you get it?
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At Amazon.com.
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Thx
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So with all these talks...would it be cheaper to buy the 2289 bug out kit? Or buy parts and pieces?
The bugout kit has soime cool stuff in it and you get a pretty good deal on nthe stock and long enuf bARREL FOR MOST USES.
All the Crosman offerings are a good deal as buying individual parts gets way pricey. The wood shoulder stock is practically free when yoyu buy a Custom shop gun with that so you need to watch your accesorizing and get what you want that is expoensive in the package ypou buy and then personalize it to your needs and tastes. With about everything I do to a 1322 the Bug-out Kit would top out around $275 where it cost $260 to do it on a stock gun. The diffreence gets you msome cool dodads so it is a good bargain.
For me, it comes down to the fact that the WalMart Bug-Out Survival Kit would cost me ~$93 (tax incl) and the 1322 will be ~$50 (tax incl). Since I already have beaucoup backpacks and even more water bottles, I don't need theirs. (The Crosman logo on the back pack might not allow for the low profile folks want to maintain if they're "buggin' out!) Targets are free for the asking on the internet (but there is some cost for ink and paper). My background allows me to piece together a far superior 1st aid kit and I have a tin of .22cal pellets waiting to be used. Basically, with a price difference of >$40, it means the stock would be quite a bit more than it will cost me from Crosman! Another consideration is that once the barrel length exceeds ~12", the gun becomes very unwieldy in the pistol mode. If you are never again going to use the gun in the pistol mode (and don't care if it no longer fits in the bug out bag), then the 14+" barrels aren't an issue. Another plus for me is that I'm giving my LGS business (always a good thing!) I'm not saying that the WalMart route is good or bad, it's just not the best option for me. Flex
Originally, I had convinced myself that I didn't need to buy the WalMart Doomsday Bug-Out Survival Kit because it was kinda "gimmicky" and that the extras were just fluff. To be completely honest, I still think that is the case. BUT a couple of things have come to my attention over the past couple of days so I went ahead and ordered the WalMart Doomsday Bug-Out Kit. Main reason is that I'm not completely convinced that the distributor that my LGS orders thru is giving any priority to a "lowly" air gun order! Five days after my LGS guy placed my order he had yet to receive a confirmation. When ordered, it was the last one in stock. If the system was bogged down, multiple orders might have been made on that lone 1322. 2nd reason is I may actually be saving some $$$ on the package by buying thru WalMart. (Unfortunately, the $69 deal is over). I redid my math (with new numbers) and found that the skeleton stock and the larger "backpacker" forearm alone will cost me ~$40. I didn't even factor the cost of a 12" barrel. I still like giving my business to my LGS and I've yet to decide if I'm going to cancel my order. Perhaps I'll get a 1377 or a PC77 instead. Two guns are ALWAYS better than ONE! Anyway, I kinda hate to backpedal and change my position on a subject but sometimes "a man's got to do what a man's got to do". I should have my Bug-Out Kit by the end of the week. Flex
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I ordered one of the $39.99 Crosman 1377s also. Just got an email that it arrived at my PO Box today, but too late to pick it up.
I just ordered one of these myself this evening. I think that they hit the Amazon warehouse in waves since they are frequently listed as "out of stock". I have seen some discussion that there may be quality issues with these, so I'm hoping that I get a decent one.
Initially, I had convinced myself that the 1322c was the best platform to "mod" from, so I ordered one. After some internet research and some soul searching too, I decided that the "doomsday bug-out survival kit" might be a better option than I originally thought, so I ordered one of those too! The posting RE: the 1377 American Classic Pump Pistol had me at "$39.99" so (like I mentioned above) I ordered one of those too!! Oh Dear ;D. FLEX
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This forum is costly to one's wallet... too many guns I want. :o
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I could've ordered the 1322C Pistol and 1399 Stock for $81, or I could spend an extra $9 and get the Doomsday Bug Out Kit. The only items going towards my Backpacking kit is the 2289G and pellets. The other items I can use for my daily routine.
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I could've ordered the 1322C Pistol and 1399 Stock for $81, or I could spend an extra $9 and get the Doomsday Bug Out Kit. The only items going towards my Backpacking kit is the 2289G and pellets. The other items I can use for my daily routine.
Had a similar original plan and, in fact, ordered a 1322c (but didn't order the 1399 stock). After some thought, went ahead and got the WalMart Doomsday ...Kit figuring that the longer barrel had some merit in the "rifle" mode. Had the WalMart order shipped Site to Store and had it in hand in 3 days! Ordered the 1322c 5 days earlier and delivery took a full 2 weeks. So now I have 2 .22 cal air guns! To paraphrase a famous line from the movie CONTACT, "first rule in government spending... why build (buy) one when you can have two at twice the price... and one can be kept secret"! Still need to get the 1399 stock BUT that will allow me to use the 1322 AND the newly ordered 1377 in the rifle mode. Is there a cure for this illness?
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I hope not, I'm having too much fun. I ordered a CCS 2240kt and bought a 2240 from Walmart, shooting that while I wait. After reading about the Bug Out 2289, I've ordered one of those from Walmart too!
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I hope not, I'm having too much fun. I ordered a CCS 2240kt and bought a 2240 from Walmart, shooting that while I wait. After reading about the Bug Out 2289, I've ordered one of those from Walmart too!
You sure got the bug.....lol. Next up PCP.
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I hope not, I'm having too much fun. I ordered a CCS 2240kt and bought a 2240 from Walmart, shooting that while I wait. After reading about the Bug Out 2289, I've ordered one of those from Walmart too!
You sure got the bug.....lol. Next up PCP.
I am enjoying getting back into AG's, it's something I enjoy, and can enjoy with the Grand kids, while teaching them gun handling and safety. I like the low cost of shooting pellets, and being able to do that in and around the house. I can have a lot of CO2's and pumpers for much less than the cost of one PCP and support equipment. PCP will probably be a long time coming (if ever) unless I win the Lottery. ;D It's not just the cost of the gun, but as I stated before, the support equipment required, :o and I would not plan on using a hand pump. PCP for me, it's all out or nothing.
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I hope not, I'm having too much fun. I ordered a CCS 2240kt and bought a 2240 from Walmart, shooting that while I wait. After reading about the Bug Out 2289, I've ordered one of those from Walmart too!
You sure got the bug.....lol. Next up PCP.
I am enjoying getting back into AG's, it's something I enjoy, and can enjoy with the Grand kids, while teaching them gun handling and safety. I like the low cost of shooting pellets, and being able to do that in and around the house. I can have a lot of CO2's and pumpers for much less than the cost of one PCP and support equipment. PCP will probably be a long time coming (if ever) unless I win the Lottery. ;D It's not just the cost of the gun, but as I stated before, the support equipment required, :o and I would not plan on using a hand pump. PCP for me, it's all out or nothing.
Hold on guys, if you think your having fun now, and don't own a PCP, you better think again ! My advise would be - sell ALL you pump and springers guns, and GET a PCP.........You want fun ? with a Marauder & a scope, you can pick flies off a $)((# from a LONG distance,.... QUIETLY ! You will NEVER look back ! I am kicking myself for not doing it sooner ! 8)
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yeah i order a bug out kit but i work for wallmart so got a discount he he ;D
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Anyone know which pistol grip goes with that pumper forearm? I'd like my 2289 to have a unified look, and I intend to use it with a Mellon adapter and Tippmann 98 folding stock.
Thanks,
Eric
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The grips I use are Crosman parts # 1700-031/1700-032.
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Thanks Art, your 2289 looks to be about where I'd like to end up with mine!
-Eric
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Thanks Art, your 2289 looks to be about where I'd like to end up with mine!
-Eric
All you need is an endless supply of money. ;D
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my just came in today. ;D
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"Dicks" have them on clearance for $99.97 minus a 50% off rewards coupon, I just picked one up tonight for $52 ouit the door! ;D
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dang i thought i got agood deal for 85 with taxes. :-[
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I finnally took it out shooting today. 10 pumps and it chrony's at 455. I stacking pellets at 17yds with stock plastic sights. I also took it to 13 pumps and it went 480fps. Not bad for a stock out of the box $52 shooter!
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Just joshin ya. When you do go beyond the factory pump value recomended the gun can often hold some air in the valve and it will shoot a second time with a second hammer strike. Going over recomended pumps should only be done with a lever that has lube and the gun is cleared after the test. The more pellet weight you use the more air will be retained.
On Mods with long barrels I like to open up the valves internal volume so it can be pumped to 15 times without stressing the lever.
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I never pump more than three times, so I have never had a valve or stress related problem. ;D
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Would anyone have a good photo of that 1399 stock with a ruler next to it? I'm still waiting on getting a 2289, and in the meantime I might make a similar stock out of walnut for my HB22. I just can't bring myself to put plastic on that gun...
If I have a good photo with a ruler I can scale it up to life-size pattern to rough out the walnut.
Thanks,
Eric
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/97301041/Misc/StockWithRuler.jpg)
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Would anyone have a good photo of that 1399 stock with a ruler next to it? I'm still waiting on getting a 2289, and in the meantime I might make a similar stock out of walnut for my HB22. I just can't bring myself to put plastic on that gun...
If I have a good photo with a ruler I can scale it up to life-size pattern to rough out the walnut.
Thanks,
Eric
Eric. Unless your large scale it down a bit. The factory plastic strock is a rather long length of pull. There was a picture in Bobs thread about the High Power 1377XP Pistol thread of a shortened and deepened stock that you may want to compare as that would be better orgonomically if you want a pattern most people can fit. The plastic stock is worthless for kids. It is way too long. FYI
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Thanks for posting that pic, YSEO!
Tim, I tried few keywords and looked around the forum but I couldn't find Bob's thread. Any chance you could provide a link?
Thanks,
Eric
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I printed that image on a price of legal paper to use as a pattern. The overall length came out to 13.5 inches, and the resulting grip size matches my HB22 grips ( smaller than the grips on a 1322). That might better match up with 12" long HB22. The geometry is also nearly identical, so I think that pattern will work nicely.
Thanks again,
Eric
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I printed that image on a price of legal paper to use as a pattern. The overall length came out to 13.5 inches, and the resulting grip size matches my HB22 grips ( smaller than the grips on a 1322). That might better match up with 12" long HB22. The geometry is also nearly identical, so I think that pattern will work nicely.
Thanks again,
Eric
Thanks for posting that pic, YSEO!
Tim, I tried few keywords and looked around the forum but I couldn't find Bob's thread. Any chance you could provide a link?
Thanks,
Eric
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=42647.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=42647.0)
Here you go.
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not to hijack the post but seeing so many able minds here, i am working on a 1377 now, worked the front of valve to match cup perfectly, the delrin valve stem, put a softer valve spring and a stronger hammer spring... after all that work, when i close the pump i can hear some hissing... a leak somewhere in the valve... but can't tell where. does anyone know what o ring sizes go on that valve??? is it possible that is leaking somewhere else from the valve??? any help is much appreciated.
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not to hijack the post but seeing so many able minds here, i am working on a 1377 now, worked the front of valve to match cup perfectly, the delrin valve stem, put a softer valve spring and a stronger hammer spring... after all that work, when i close the pump i can hear some hissing... a leak somewhere in the valve... but can't tell where. does anyone know what o ring sizes go on that valve??? is it possible that is leaking somewhere else from the valve??? any help is much appreciated.
Size is a 111. Material I like is Viton for the outer valve and 90 durometer Buna for inner valve. You may need to now Cock your gun before
pumping as the compounded spring change may have put your hammer spring in a situation where the hammer will push the valve open when not at least pulled back to the first hammer click.
TimmyMac1
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thank you for you reply... i do have to cock the gun before pumping, or otherwise it will not hold the air and it will hiss/fart out of the muzzle... but this is different. while closing the handle i can hold the pressure in and hear it leaking from somewhere in that valve... the 111 size is for both??? they do not look the same... i'll check again.
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I know, I know, it's an old topic, but it's back!
Walmart and Pyramid Air both have these now, in the .22!
That's pretty cool! I'm thinking about getting a pair of them just for plinking fun with my wife!
We're having fun with the weird stuff I already have, and this just seems like a lot of fun to go with it!
What do you think, should I just have let the thread stay dead?
Wal-mart didn't have these a week ago, so it makes me think it might be worth telling crosman fans about it again.
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i'll check my walmart... i just wanted because of the snap on shoulder stock...
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While you're at it, don't forget to buy the $10 zombie spinners with the bugout kit..
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... that is all i need... look hunny, new yard ornament!!! lol
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... that is all i need... look hunny, new yard ornament!!! lol
Haha A big rock on one end and bright zombie green spinners next to some flowers, with bark ground cover.. I think she'll go for it... lol
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i'll check my walmart... i just wanted because of the snap on shoulder stock...
If all you want is the snap on stock goto Crosman and order 1389A006 and 1322-017 thats the pin and spring that holds the stock just put in the hole in front of the rear grip screw
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... or just get the bug out kit and have extra parts to play with... i got right now 2 13xx customs, a Tomcat and a FT pistol based in the 2240 with a 14 inch barrel spitting 8.44 gr jsb at 602 fps avg... and enough parts to build a 2260 pistol, carbine or rifle again... but you can never have enough cups, valves, trigger units, etc... without my box of 2240 parts i would be a lost man...
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lol, awesome!
I'm glad to have helped!
You know, I have a closet of "real guns" and several cheapo airguns now.
I'm looking forward to picking up a couple of these, just for fun!
People do love the kits, too.
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If the Federal Government ever tried to ban firearms, it would lead to another civil war. Every person who owned a gun and was passionate about keeping it would take up arms. We're talking about an actual, honest-to-goodness scenario where many people would grab their guns and run. Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?
After the 1996 Port Arthur "disaster" in Australia, their government responded to majority public opinion with stringently enforced new gun laws, and a lot of guns were actually returned by the owners. In Australia at the time (and still) there is a fraction (less than majority) of the population that is very attached to their guns. I might have missed the news, but I don't remember the suburbs and cities of Australia being set on fire after this, or bloated corpses of men, women and children choking the sidewalks from the civil war.
This is a democracy (more or less). If a time comes in this country when gun laws change it will be because elected members of Congress have passed laws. That's the way it works. If you want certain laws, then work democratically for them. If we don't like laws that get passed, we get off our a--es and try to have the laws changed. What you don't do is pick up a gun and threaten civil war. In practical terms, having well-armed paranoid sociopaths threatening war inside the borders of a country is only more likely to get the kind of laws passed that will disarm them anyway. And good luck with the AR-15, 10/22, Gamo Whisper and the bugout kit against Apache Helicopters and Strykers.
If you want to see what a civil war looks like, check out Syria. Even though there is no NRA there, and Syria is an actual real dictatorship, somehow - when the war broke out - EVERYONE had all the small arms, heavy machine guns and bullets that they could handle. There wasn't some guy in Damascus thinking "wow, I was smart to have ordered that Crosman bugout kit off Amazon 2 years ago", or "thank god I stockpiled five .223s and a Sam Yang, because where-oh-where would I get a gun now that my house is rubble and the only two things EVERYONE now has are guns and bullets?" Real civil war is stinking, heartbreaking, no-holds-barred he-l on earth, not some Tom Sawyer/Red Dawn PG-13 fantasy, or some idle threat to be made on forums.
There are lots of amendments to the US Constitution that have been already been warped (or "re-interpreted" if you want to be polite) - including your right not to be tortured, not to be assassinated by your own government, not to be imprisoned without trial, not to have your possessions searched without a warrant. I could go on, but you get the point. I must have either missed the refreshing civil wars that happened after these - or maybe sane people just keep trying their level best to influence or change the laws in ways that don't involve threatening to set the country on fire.
So, get the bugout kits and enjoy them. It's a free country and there's no harm in them for sane people just having fun. But just realise that if you're not having fun with it already, the joke is on you - and Amazon/Walmart/etc are just laughing to the bank.
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And good luck with the AR-15, 10/22, Gamo Whisper and the bugout kit against Apache Helicopters and Strykers.
... the only difference is that most civil wars are not open wars, but more guerrila warfare... think shining path, Farc, etc... so no amount of apache helicopter will mitigate the will of the people... dude, where have you been in the pass 12 years?. I have seen an iraqi fending off a squad of Army soldiers to the point of calling a light artillery strike... you know what the guy had? 1 beat-to-@$%^ AK. but his family was there... so he would defend til the end. We have been trying to control and impose our will on people that do not want us there... open the paper, they are not any weaker now than before we dropped the hammer of god on them... If it was not a "threat" considered valid by the government, why are we still holding to our stockpiles? As you said, they did it in Australia... what is the difference? the fact that there is over 300 million privately owned weapons in this country with (as per the last poll 43% of the population) willing to hold and defend them. I'll even give you some really good odds, lets say only 10% of that 47% decides that the government has "gone too far"... that is over 20 million people disagreeing... even with all the quorum of the entire defense system (of which some will not turn on their people) they would be out numbered so much that it would be a asinine thing to go head to head... but worse, as i said it would not be a symmetrical engagement, but more like a lot of warring factions slowly chipping away at the defense infrastracture... it would be a war of attrition and at the end the government would have two options, capitulate and try to save the thing they need to exist (us) or dramatically lower the number of people who will by force listen to them... its a loose/ loose situation. As per the Doom day kit... if you think that there are people who will try to use that as defense, you are missing the boat... if anything it can hunt and provide with game to support you in addition to what you should have already stockpiled. Nope... there is a place for the bugout kit in that scenario... cheap, quiet and easily concealeable hunting gear for small game.
including your right not to be tortured, not to be assassinated by your own government, not to be imprisoned without trial, not to have your possessions searched without a warrant...
Because you dont know about it it does not mean it does not happen. From the invention of gun powder, guns have been a tool of change, quick change where democracy has failed. Not one conflict has occured because two sides agreed too much. The fact that you dont think people will react to something like a forced disarmament leads me to think that you believe that all humans are sheep... no sir, Kuwait showed me different. We are 2 meals away from a really ugly situation, a situation that no government can control... guns are just the topping on that cake.
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Seems you got two wrong lessons: one, what I am saying in my original post, two from your experience (maybe) in Iraq.
1) read my post again (or don't).
2) About Iraq. I think that you draw the wrong lesson from that experience. The reason they beat all the Apaches and Strykers is that it is their country. To them, you were just a tourist in desert camouflage with a gun. If you think that experience in Iraq translates to mean that a merry band of paranoid sociopaths with guns is going to be able to impose their will here in the US, against all the other people here in the US (all armed Americans, in our own neighbourhoods, with nowhere else to go) - and this will have some kind of "happy ending" - then you don't know what a civil war is. Stay tuned, you might still get to witness a real civil war in Iraq too.
I have lived in a civil war. When I was a child we would turn the lights off in the house because of nightly aerial bombing raids. We woke up one morning to find the neighbour's house a pile of rubble, and all we ever found was a foot. My father worked to document the atrocities, and I remember sneaking into his office and finding his folders full of obscene photos of war crimes that I cannot un-see as much as I wish I could now. So, when I hear people who think that war is like a movie (or even an 18-month tour in Iraq) throwing around talk about civil wars and "taking on the government" - I laugh
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Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?
YOU ARE WRONG ! Look up youtube and Katrina gun confiscation. You will be flat out amazed. They took guns from all home owners if they were involved in the flood or not. Do the research. It's already been tested and done successfully.
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I hate to be so blunt but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo#)
Do you believe your NRA? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4#)
So keep your BugOut hid...
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...keep your bugout where they can find it, keep your guns hid.
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some people are really not worth it...
happy Fourth to you all...
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I picked up a bug out kit at Dick's for $47 + tax last Sunday. They had two,I should have bought both of them. ;)
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You practically got it for half price... You should have bought both.. ;)
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Ours arrived a few weeks ago, and we have had an absolute blast shooting these. They are reasonably accurate, fun to shoot, and relatively easy to pump to 10 shots. The only thing I don't care for is the stocks seem to be a little loose, but they are plastic that just slides into place and is held with a pin.
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Some people shim the stock with tape or drill a hole on both sides so they can use the preexisting screw holes on the trigger assembly... If you put srews, it defeats the option of a quick takedown..
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I had actually already been thinking about both of those options, but I came across some beautiful wood today that my lovely wife insisted we buy (garage sale, and they were thrilled it would get used for ANYTHING) so I am going to try to make a nicer stock in the long run. In the shirt run, Imma tape one, and if it needs more, then I'll drill. Just because they're there, doesn't mean they have to be used. :D
We are seriously looking at the Steel breech for these, she has discovered the joys of having a decent scope on one of my other air rifles. :o
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And good luck with the AR-15, 10/22, Gamo Whisper and the bugout kit against Apache Helicopters and Strykers.
... the only difference is that most civil wars are not open wars, but more guerrila warfare... think shining path, Farc, etc... so no amount of apache helicopter will mitigate the will of the people... dude, where have you been in the pass 12 years?. I have seen an iraqi fending off a squad of Army soldiers to the point of calling a light artillery strike... you know what the guy had? 1 beat-to-@$%^ AK. but his family was there... so he would defend til the end. We have been trying to control and impose our will on people that do not want us there... open the paper, they are not any weaker now than before we dropped the hammer of god on them... If it was not a "threat" considered valid by the government, why are we still holding to our stockpiles? As you said, they did it in Australia... what is the difference? the fact that there is over 300 million privately owned weapons in this country with (as per the last poll 43% of the population) willing to hold and defend them. I'll even give you some really good odds, lets say only 10% of that 47% decides that the government has "gone too far"... that is over 20 million people disagreeing... even with all the quorum of the entire defense system (of which some will not turn on their people) they would be out numbered so much that it would be a asinine thing to go head to head... but worse, as i said it would not be a symmetrical engagement, but more like a lot of warring factions slowly chipping away at the defense infrastracture... it would be a war of attrition and at the end the government would have two options, capitulate and try to save the thing they need to exist (us) or dramatically lower the number of people who will by force listen to them... its a loose/ loose situation. As per the Doom day kit... if you think that there are people who will try to use that as defense, you are missing the boat... if anything it can hunt and provide with game to support you in addition to what you should have already stockpiled. Nope... there is a place for the bugout kit in that scenario... cheap, quiet and easily concealeable hunting gear for small game.
including your right not to be tortured, not to be assassinated by your own government, not to be imprisoned without trial, not to have your possessions searched without a warrant...
Because you dont know about it it does not mean it does not happen. From the invention of gun powder, guns have been a tool of change, quick change where democracy has failed. Not one conflict has occured because two sides agreed too much. The fact that you dont think people will react to something like a forced disarmament leads me to think that you believe that all humans are sheep... no sir, Kuwait showed me different. We are 2 meals away from a really ugly situation, a situation that no government can control... guns are just the topping on that cake.
Gabe:
Just to point out, Sendero Luminoso and FARC have/ had heavy funding and support from the local cartels. Mix that in with governments that are so ineffective and corrupt it’s no wonder those groups were hard to root out. In addition, SL and FARC terrorized the local native populations by summary executions and other abuses, thus making it not a very healthy choice to notify the Columbian Army or Peruvian Military to drop in and say "hello" to the local guerillas. In short, not a very good analogy to use in this discussion. We have factors as a culture and nation that are nothing like the issues that face Latin American nations. Same can be said about Kuwait as well...you have been there and that culture is so vastly different on certain levels and their reasons for fighting those governments are so different than this issues we face as a nation.
With that said, what we really face in the country is a war of ideas at the moment. What scares me is not the boogeyman Federal government that many like to say is hiding in the bushes and waiting to ponce, but what is REALLY scary is how certain ideologies in this country are trying to say they have the "purest" ideology, the most right, the most accurate and all others do not measure up. Add to that, people eat it up as historical truth, even though any history book will show you each ideology has never been pure because ideological purity doesn't exist, the issues plaguing 1920's-30's America. Do we have Prohibition? Nope, an item of the times that was building for about 40 years before its passage and has been dying out since it being repealed.
This search for ideological purity is what should scare us all, regardless of our ideologies. Suppression of freedom starts with ideas. Ideas that a person or groups of people begin to share with us all. They are somewhat easy to spot. They discuss current problems and make vague references to our country's past hero's and what those hero's believed and what they believe are the same or similar. They promise a little bit too every ideology since they have the purest ideology all will benefit from their pure ideas. They talk about the glory days of a nation and the greatness they can bring back under their pure ideology. As a side note, the glory days are a lie. What was a glory day for you wasn't for someone else...Many think 1950's America was a great glory day. Yeah, maybe for you, but ask a black man or women you know who lived back then if it was the glory days and I am pretty sure they had a different experience. But examples like that will be washed under the rug by the pure ideology party because that simply won't happen under their leadership as again, the pure ideology benefits all! That's crazy talk someone is left out!? Oh, and if they are left out it’s because THEY fail to understand the pure ideology. Which now leads us to the question for the populace. You know what we stand for says the pure ideology party, now the power is in your hands! We have the candidates, get those grass roots voters to the poles and vote us in and we will solve these problems together. After all, we stand for the same values, we stand for the same rights and we stand together in the same history.
Alas! the pure ideology party wins and low and behold some promises are kept, some things are made better and oddly the government is not dissolved but "made better" as the pure ideological party purges those that are less pure with great endorsement from much of the populace from certain high government positions. One day, the leaders voted in give their State of the Nation speech and low and behold they say there are dissenters in the ranks of our great nation trying to destroy the fabric of what we were founded upon! They call on the voters again to assist in rooting out these dissenters and unbelievers whom are trying to spread lies against the pure ideology party. In fact, the speech will sound something like this:
"Isn't it right reason to flush this kind of thinking from us my fellow true believers? Clearly they do not understand our government! So we are enacting a new amendment to only the true believers that voted for us and believe the pure ideology to share in our government! All others will have these rights revoked as listed in the amendments. Is it not logical that if they don't understand these amendments as we do, they should not partake in them!? Therefore, pick up your arms, use your rights to stamp this thinking out! You know who these people are! You see their newspapers, on-line blogs, radio shows and the like, even your next door neighbor who works at the local bureaucracy. If stopped by local law enforcement while cleaning out these un-believers please present your voter registration card. This will clear you to continue your good work in the name of the Republic...our country is in grave danger and we need your help as never before my pure thinking citizens and by the emergency approval of the senate and congress I will be signing this amendment tonight so we can start our good work effective immediately. Now get out there and help make this country great again”!
When our freedoms are taken, it will be voted in legally and like my example above, will fit the culture the fascist regime builds itself around. These people are not dumb, they will use the populace’s presuppositions to achieve their goals. The imagery of concentration camps and the Einsatsgruppen following the Blitzkrieg are burned into Western cultures psyche so the smart leader or party doesn’t use that method. As the example, in our country a leader or party would let the populace do the dirty work for them. That way when the world condemns them they stand behind there speech stating, “This is all legal! We were voted in legally, the amendment was passed legally and the voters are speaking for themselves! We are a democracy and the voters are speaking with their arms as allowed under the amendments they enjoy …back off of us and our nation as we are making it great again”!
I close with no matter what ideology you subscribe to, when it is presented in a beautiful, perfect, museum piece sort of way your ears and mind should perk up because in the glorious dirty work of living, believing in alleged pure political perfectibility starts with trying to force people into a mold, then into a prison (of some kind) and then into a grave, or in the past into an oven.
BZ
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BZ... i like your rethoric, but please be aware that the SL was not funded by drug cartels, as Peru at the time had a heavy export hand with little control from the government. Abimael Guzman, the now incarcerated leader was an ideologist and coming from the populace he essentially just directed the dissent created by the then corrupt government. Peru had a crazy problem with government corruption, and most of the riches of the country were funneled out. That is the reason that the Sendero Luminoso existed... to give a little louder voice to the people. It was a strictly econo-political movement, very poor, and used only crude acts of terrorism AIMED at the establishment. The average Joe (or Jose) had nothing to fear, as recruitment was voluntary (and poor, hungry people will join a movement that wants change). They bombed embassies at night, power facilities, police facilities and such... they created damage to structure as it was what the governement used as infrastructure. There were no summary executions (unless you were a politician, and therefore deemed a traitor...) and it lasted as long as it did because the people wanted it there... I have family in Peru, and lived in Lima for a while witnessing some of the troubles, but were not fed by cartels, or drug money. Most of the money came from kidnappings, robberies and such. My mother was in college when the SL was a his strongest, and more than once she had to sit in class for hours listening to the theories and ideologies from the SL, as they held the teacher under a gun and gave their speech... no one hurt as long as they had heir time there... most of the times no one was aware til they were gone... they would go into the political science faculty part of the Universidad de Lima and smash ballot boxes to sabotage internal or minor elections, and such. I am not justifying their actions, but don't believe for an instant that these groups are just thugs looking for a power for the sake of greed... The Farc in the other hand knew that the drug cartels had the money, so they volunteered to cause problems to the police and government in behalf of the drug trade. It was a symbiotic relationship in which the cartels used the Farc to their ends as a side agenda of the Farc itself, while the Farc could always count on a blank check to wage war on the Colombian Government. They were a lot more ruthless but it was done on purpose as the cartels always prefered someone who could "deliver a message"... The recruiting was also done not only in Colombia, but they came to Venezuela to hire mercenary (ex or even presently serving military personel). I remember that crisis while living in Caracas, Venezuela. Kuwait is a bit different, in my eyes, because it became personal... not political at all. You cant expect to walk into someone's house and make rules like you are the deed holder... lots of pride involved...
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Gabe brother, you sure SL didn't get funding from the cartels? I don't have my resources in front of me but my memory is pretty good (usually) when it comes to the history books I read and I thought SL, although not "pro-cartel", did receive funding as so much coca is grown in Peru and SL acted as a go between for the Peruvian peasants and the Colombians when buying the crop. SL jacked the price up to 'protect the peasants' and this also protects the crop from interdiction and SL also buys weapons from the cartels. Its more of an uneasy working relationship, but a relationship non the less. And one that doesn't dry up as the worlds appetite for drugs seems never ending.
This was back in the day of Fujimori's regime and as you already stated, SL is not what it once was.
As discussed on the phone, hope to meet you someday.
BZ
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... Fujimori is what put an end to their raison d'etre... he arrested 90 percent of the cabinet...overnight. fujimori was the best thing to happen to Peru in the last 50 years... unorthodox, ballsy, maybe a bit too much but someone had to do it. Lima is a beautiful modern city with great restaurants and casinos and hotels now... markets are doing great and the people have not had this much until he got to power... Fujimori was there at the end... Sendero Luminoso was around when Alberto Fujimori was learning spanish. AS per the funding... they were a noble cause... just like Che was a pediatrician, not a guerrillero... ; )
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If the Federal Government ever tried to ban firearms, it would lead to another civil war. Every person who owned a gun and was passionate about keeping it would take up arms. We're talking about an actual, honest-to-goodness scenario where many people would grab their guns and run. Think about it; how many people do you know that own firearms would simply let the Feds walk into their homes and take them?
After the 1996 Port Arthur "disaster" in Australia, their government responded to majority public opinion with stringently enforced new gun laws, and a lot of guns were actually returned by the owners. In Australia at the time (and still) there is a fraction (less than majority) of the population that is very attached to their guns. I might have missed the news, but I don't remember the suburbs and cities of Australia being set on fire after this, or bloated corpses of men, women and children choking the sidewalks from the civil war.
This is a democracy (more or less). If a time comes in this country when gun laws change it will be because elected members of Congress have passed laws. That's the way it works. If you want certain laws, then work democratically for them. If we don't like laws that get passed, we get off our a--es and try to have the laws changed. What you don't do is pick up a gun and threaten civil war. In practical terms, having well-armed paranoid sociopaths threatening war inside the borders of a country is only more likely to get the kind of laws passed that will disarm them anyway. And good luck with the AR-15, 10/22, Gamo Whisper and the bugout kit against Apache Helicopters and Strykers.
If you want to see what a civil war looks like, check out Syria. Even though there is no NRA there, and Syria is an actual real dictatorship, somehow - when the war broke out - EVERYONE had all the small arms, heavy machine guns and bullets that they could handle. There wasn't some guy in Damascus thinking "wow, I was smart to have ordered that Crosman bugout kit off Amazon 2 years ago", or "thank god I stockpiled five .223s and a Sam Yang, because where-oh-where would I get a gun now that my house is rubble and the only two things EVERYONE now has are guns and bullets?" Real civil war is stinking, heartbreaking, no-holds-barred he-l on earth, not some Tom Sawyer/Red Dawn PG-13 fantasy, or some idle threat to be made on forums.
There are lots of amendments to the US Constitution that have been already been warped (or "re-interpreted" if you want to be polite) - including your right not to be tortured, not to be assassinated by your own government, not to be imprisoned without trial, not to have your possessions searched without a warrant. I could go on, but you get the point. I must have either missed the refreshing civil wars that happened after these - or maybe sane people just keep trying their level best to influence or change the laws in ways that don't involve threatening to set the country on fire.
So, get the bugout kits and enjoy them. It's a free country and there's no harm in them for sane people just having fun. But just realise that if you're not having fun with it already, the joke is on you - and Amazon/Walmart/etc are just laughing to the bank.
Hmm...
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... Fujimori is what put an end to their raison d'etre... he arrested 90 percent of the cabinet...overnight. fujimori was the best thing to happen to Peru in the last 50 years... unorthodox, ballsy, maybe a bit too much but someone had to do it. Lima is a beautiful modern city with great restaurants and casinos and hotels now... markets are doing great and the people have not had this much until he got to power... Fujimori was there at the end... Sendero Luminoso was around when Alberto Fujimori was learning spanish. AS per the funding... they were a noble cause... just like Che was a pediatrician, not a guerrillero... ; )
Hmm...
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Over and over: need to learn it is a BIG Big BAD a*** universe out
there that does not care if we make it as a species and we better quit squabbling and get to work...
Ion motors work I am pretty sure ,and they are just a beginning
supposedly China has a microwave motor that pushes against the higgs field.... (or some thing like that...)
well who knows, I do think the work being done at the big collider could lead to possibly pushing against that field ?...
but yep I hear stuff like that and I counter with Jules Vern
and the disjunctive syllogism
of Carrolls rabbit hole...
that's the whole of it...
Hey he liked Symbolic Logic...
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eh needs music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mhRm9iBUw0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mhRm9iBUw0#)
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And so the question becomes what do our grandchildren make of what we leave them...
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And so the question becomes what do our grandchildren make of what we leave them...
I am, as most are, horrible in predicting the future. It is my hope however that my grandchildren would cherish and hold dear certain ideals and intuitions with the understanding of what they were founded upon and be able to interpret them in their respective times.
BZ