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OAL 39, 7/8 " < 1013 mm
LOP 14, 3/8" < 365 mm
Barrel 18, 1/2" < 470 mm
Listed as 5.9 lbs
3500 PSI fill limit
The Beeman Raider included 2 of 10 shot magazines and 2 of Single shot trays along with a few Allen wrenches, one is used to adjust the Hammer spring.
Handling the Beeman Raider is a thing to behold. It feels Nice light and compact.
Wood stock with a rubber butpad, polymer shrouded barrel with a short baffle that is on 1/2 x20 UNF threads. The included LDC does cut down on shot report, though the BR LDC I have does Alot better at quieting the short report.
The Polymer open sights are not marked and click adjustable for windage and elevation and provide a good sight. I like that the front sight is hooded.
Filling the Raider does not require a fill probe and connects right to the fill connection of your selected air source. Good. The fill port has a snap on cover which fits good without play or wiggle.
The trigger is adjustable, OOTB the trigger pull is light and short. I will be adjusting the trigger to my liking. I'll see if I can find a wall to stop on. The Safety is manual and in the trigger guard in front of the trigger< push forward to disengage the safety.
Before begining I adjusted the hammer spring out until it was flush with the rear of the tube. I then turned in 5 rounds. Starting with a 3200 PSI fill I took 20 shots to get down to 2500 PSI. Another 20 shots and there was 1700 PSI left.
When the weather is warm enough I'll be gathering Chrono numbers to find a setting I like.
4 Uncles 3 stage Hand pump.
1700 PSI
40 Pumps @ 2400 PSI
70 Pumps @ 3000 PSI
NVak
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I like Beeman products,have several…Im sure folks are looking forward to your report…..good luck
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OAL 39, 7/8 " < 1013 mm
LOP 14, 3/8" < 365 mm
Barrel 18, 1/2" < 470 mm
Listed as 5.9 lbs
3500 PSI fill limit
The Beeman Raider included 2 of 10 shot magazines and 2 of Single shot trays along with a few Allen wrenches, one is used to adjust the Hammer spring.
Handling the Beeman Raider is a thing to behold. It feels Nice light and compact.
Wood stock with a rubber butpad, polymer shrouded barrel with a short baffle that is on 1/2 x20 UNF threads. The included LDC does cut down on shot report, though the BR LDC I have does Alot better at quieting the short report.
The Polymer open sights are not marked and click adjustable for windage and elevation and provide a good sight. I like that the front sight is hooded.
Filling the Raider does not require a fill probe and connects right to the fill connection of your selected air source. Good. The fill port has a snap on cover which fits good without play or wiggle.
The trigger is adjustable, OOTB the trigger pull is light and short. I will be adjusting the trigger to my liking. I'll see if I can find a wall to stop on. The Safety is manual and in the trigger guard in front of the trigger< push forward to disengage the safety.
Before begining I adjusted the hammer spring out until it was flush with the rear of the tube. I then turned in 5 rounds. Starting with a 3200 PSI fill I took 20 shots to get down to 2500 PSI. Another 20 shots and there was 1700 PSI left.
When the weather is warm enough I'll be gathering Chrono numbers to find a setting I like.
4 Uncles 3 stage Hand pump.
1700 PSI
40 Pumps @ 2400 PSI
70 Pumps @ 3000 PSI
NVak
I wish the Crosman 2260 had that shape of stock ???
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Waiting for the brown van to bring my .25 cal right now. ;D
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GTA members, Feel free to add to this thread, your experience, the settings or tunes and mods done, your setup and Chronograph information will all be welcome. What do you think and how do you like the Beeman Raider.
If the temperature doesn't drop any further and the wind stays calm I might be able to gather some Chrono numbers after work.
Excellent Work Stay Alert
NVak
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I'm not really a bullpup fan but I like the Beeman 1358. The forward cocking lever made it work for me. The reason I brought it up is because I have a feeling that the action on the 1331 is going to be real close if not the same.
My 1358 has turned into a real accurate shooter.
Waiting for someone to confirm my thinking.
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avator,
If I am not wrong it appears the 1331 and 1358 share the same Airtube, Valve and trigger with the differences being in the breech and stock and barrel and a fewother parts. But otherwise very close to the same.
Today from yabE I ordered a Quickshot Side Lever Breech for around $105 including shipping. The Quickshot Breech is made of Aluminum and Stainless Steel and has bothe 11mm and Picatinny rails for mounting optics. I'll use the stock polymer breech until springtime.
I have found Regulators for Beeman/Barra for around $90... That is a possibility for a later time. I don't want it regulated,,, not just yet anyway
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NVak
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The brown van left another long corrugated box at my house today. Initial impressions are good. It only took 130 strokes of my vevor pump to bring it up to 3,000 PSI. I loaded up both magazines with JSB Kings and headed out back.
The first shot sounded like a five round burst on full auto. VERY loud! Second shot sounded like a three round burst. The third was a double and then it settled down I estimate somewhere around 2,500 PSI and began to sound like a normal (albeit loud) Air rifle. Lots of hammer bounce! NOT backyard friendly! I don’t know where the hammer spring adjuster is set but this is not optimum. Chronograph tomorrow and then I’ll start fiddling with the adjuster. The irons ( I refuse to cal them “plastics”) are not bad (for cheap plastic sights). I despise fiber optics. With my poor eyesight they are too indistinct for accurate shooting. But these were good enough to show that the gun has intrinsic accuracy out to at least forty yards.
I shot two magazines and then two from the single shot tray. I short stroked the bolt three time in the first magazine but I got the proper technique figured out and the second one ran flawlessly. The single shot tray is easy to use and would be the choice for longer pellets.
Its light and handy and it looks good. My only beef at present is with the somewhat odd line of the wrist of the stock. The curved ridge is not terribly comfortable. I think I’ll be at it with a rasp and sand paper shortly.
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Blowpipe Sam,
It sounds like the spring adjustment is set high on your .25 Raider. I'm sure the factories set them on high seeking a high FPS reading to attempt to meet their own FPS claims. I set mine back and out of the box it was set pretty high so I backed it out to get to the 5 turns.
Today I shot 31 times from 3000 PSI and ending around 1550 PSI.
Hammer spring set at +5.0 turns in from out-flush.
30°F
CPUM 14.3gr
3000 PSI Start
1. 784
3. 802
5. 830
7. 841
9. 861
10 shots @ 2500 PSI
11.862
13. 877
15. 884
17. 877
19. 881
Shot 20 @ 869 < 2000 PSI
21. 867
23. 853
25. 831
27. 832
29. 820
31. 805 < 1550 PSI
At this setting I have around 15 shots within 30 FPS, shots #8 - 23 from 2600 - 1800 PSI so I'll have to play around with the adjustment and see if I can find a setting I like. I may try back out the adjustment a little to find a string with more usable shots.
NVak
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I was doing a bit of research on the gun, mainly to get some insight on that plastic breech, and I found an interest bit of info on another forum that I am not a registered member of but Google gave me a link.
The poster said that the 1100z side lever breech is a drop in. He did put flats on top of the barrel for the grub screws to center and secure it.
He also said he was able to get a few side lever breeches from Barra at $45 each from warranty parts guns... YMMV on that.
That would be a welcome upgrade for me.
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I was doing a bit of research on the gun, mainly to get some insight on that plastic breech, and I found an interest bit of info on another forum that I am not a registered member of but Google gave me a link.
The poster said that the 1100z side lever breech is a drop in. He did put flats on top of the barrel for the grub screws to center and secure it.
He also said he was able to get a few side lever breeches from Barra at $45 each from warranty parts guns... YMMV on that.
That would be a welcome upgrade for me.
Just a FYI mentioned in post #6
https://www.ebay.com/itm/296795616436?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=zvol6uozrhy&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=_70jmZuBS5m&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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I can see where a side lever breech would solve the cocking issue with this gun. The technique I use is to put my thumb on the back of the receiver and squeeze that last half inch to get the sear to engage. I'm not spending $109 for a side lever though. $45 seems reasonable but the OP on AGN said he got the last of the cheap ones. It is good to know that a lot of the Barra parts are compatible.
The Hawke Vantage 3-9X40 won the scope lottery and now resides atop the Raider. I took it down to the riverbank this a.m. and zeroed it. Accuracy is excellent with 25.39gr JSB Kings. If the sun comes out today I will try and get some chronograph numbers. I definitely want to play with the hammer adjuster but not until I get some base-line OEM numbers off the chrono. At this setting the gun is very powerful but it's wasting a lot of air.
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I can see where a side lever breech would solve the cocking issue with this gun. The technique I use is to put my thumb on the back of the receiver and squeeze that last half inch to get the sear to engage. I'm not spending $109 for a side lever though. $45 seems reasonable but the OP on AGN said he got the last of the cheap ones. It is good to know that a lot of the Barra parts are compatible.
The Hawke Vantage 3-9X40 won the scope lottery and now resides atop the Raider. I took it down to the riverbank this a.m. and zeroed it. Accuracy is excellent with 25.39gr JSB Kings. If the sun comes out today I will try and get some chronograph numbers. I definitely want to play with the hammer adjuster but not until I get some base-line OEM numbers off the chrono. At this setting the gun is very powerful but it's wasting a lot of air.
Did you ask if he would part with one of the 5 he bought?
Would it maybe be fruitful to post a wtb for a broken or parts 1100z? Maybe even on the bay.
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I can see where a side lever breech would solve the cocking issue with this gun. The technique I use is to put my thumb on the back of the receiver and squeeze that last half inch to get the sear to engage. I'm not spending $109 for a side lever though. $45 seems reasonable but the OP on AGN said he got the last of the cheap ones. It is good to know that a lot of the Barra parts are compatible.
The Hawke Vantage 3-9X40 won the scope lottery and now resides atop the Raider. I took it down to the riverbank this a.m. and zeroed it. Accuracy is excellent with 25.39gr JSB Kings. If the sun comes out today I will try and get some chronograph numbers. I definitely want to play with the hammer adjuster but not until I get some base-line OEM numbers off the chrono. At this setting the gun is very powerful but it's wasting a lot of air.
Did you ask if he would part with one of the 5 he bought?
Would it maybe be fruitful to post a wtb for a broken or parts 1100z? Maybe even on the bay.
With the low prices for these entry level PCP's I think we're going to see a lot of noobs (like me) attracted to them. There will be a lot of returns and refurbs. Probably be quite a few guns going up for sale cheap as new buyers lose interest or get frustrated with the idiosyncrasies of running a PCP. Running a WTB add for Barra/Beeman parts is probably a good strategy. I'll log on to AGN and ask the OP about how he got his parts.
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Nukall856, Liking your numbers! It's encouraging to see that the gun is so powerful in .22. Bodes well for the .25.
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I can see where a side lever breech would solve the cocking issue with this gun. The technique I use is to put my thumb on the back of the receiver and squeeze that last half inch to get the sear to engage. I'm not spending $109 for a side lever though. $45 seems reasonable but the OP on AGN said he got the last of the cheap ones. It is good to know that a lot of the Barra parts are compatible.
The Hawke Vantage 3-9X40 won the scope lottery and now resides atop the Raider. I took it down to the riverbank this a.m. and zeroed it. Accuracy is excellent with 25.39gr JSB Kings. If the sun comes out today I will try and get some chronograph numbers. I definitely want to play with the hammer adjuster but not until I get some base-line OEM numbers off the chrono. At this setting the gun is very powerful but it's wasting a lot of air.
Did you ask if he would part with one of the 5 he bought?
Would it maybe be fruitful to post a wtb for a broken or parts 1100z? Maybe even on the bay.
With the low prices for these entry level PCP's I think we're going to see a lot of noobs (like me) attracted to them. There will be a lot of returns and refurbs. Probably be quite a few guns going up for sale cheap as new buyers lose interest or get frustrated with the idiosyncrasies of running a PCP. Running a WTB add for Barra/Beeman parts is probably a good strategy. I'll log on to AGN and ask the OP about how he got his parts.
In his post he said he called them and asked. They don't list parts for them. Like I said.. they were spare parts from returns. I wonder if Geo from Barra would be able to get ahold of a few from the 1100z? Might be worth a PM. He's a member here.
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I aired mine up to 2,700 PSI again and shot two more magazines at paper to fine tune the zero. The bolt pull is definitely an idiosyncrasy of this design but for an entry level gun at this price it is perfectly acceptable. I can live with it. It feels similar to my XS60C and my Swiss K31 so its familiar to yank back at the end of the stroke. I don't think the sunshine is going to get any better today so I'm going to go ahead and try to get some chronograph numbers this afternoon.
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Thanks to naptemp for having mentioned the Bstaley mod which entails adding 2 rubber O-rings to the airtube up against the valve and before the hammer. Doing this will eliminate or reduce hammer bounce and the resulting wasted air. I have read on the mod and then looking around on A-Z I found a pack of orings that has the right size O-rings 22mm x 2mm needed for the Beeman Bstaley mod. For now I'll be setting up and shooting the Raider as stock unmodified. Sometime before April I'd like to get the Mod done along with installing the Quickshot Breech.
For now Ive got to think if I want to add or reduce hammer preload. I do want abit more shots within a closer FPS spread.
NVak
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I had already contacted Geo
He directed me to the help desk at Barra.......... help@barraairguns.com
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O'kay kiddies here's the chronograph results. Numbers do not lie
Hammer adjuster at factory setting. Starting fill 2500 PSI. 25.39gr JSB Kings
#!. 762 FPS
#10. 718 FPS
The first shot was the fastest and velocity fell steadily from there. The first five shots there was noticeable hammer bounce.
Hammer adjuster backed out two full turns from factory setting. 2500 PSI. JSB Kings
#1 went 715 FPS
#6 was where velocity peaked at 753 FPS
#10 had fallen to 740 FPS
The hammer is still floating for at least the first three shots.
Hammer adjuster backed out four turns. 2500 PSI. JSB Kings
#1 went 633 FPS
#15 is where velocity peaked at 725 FPS
#20 had fallen to 674 FPS
Some slight hammer bounce still detectable in the first two shots. Accuracy was excellent until the pressure dropped below 1500 PSI.
I might back the adjuster out one more turn or maybe just a half turn.
Solve the hammer bounce problem with this gun and I'm sure I could run it at higher pressure and get a longer shot string out of it.
This is 20 shots at 20 yards.
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Accuracy is excellent with 25.39gr JSB Kings.
Good to hear that. I ordered some with the 1331. And a tin of JSB 26.54 gr Hollowpoint. The order has not shipped yet but should soon.
These tips are a great help to a nube like me. Thanks to everyone!
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Ronno6,
Do you know what material the Barra 1100z breech is made of?
Excellent Work Blowpipe Sam, good 20 shots. I'll mount a scope later after I find a setting I like.
31°F
Spring tension adjusted to 6.0 turns in from out flush.
CPUM 14.3gr
2800 PSI start
1. 833
3. 862
5. 874
7. 887
9. 899
10. 902 @ 2400 PSI
11. 895
13. 891
15. 881
17. 873
19.860
20. 852 @ 1800 PSI
12 shots within 30 FPS
Im going to back out the hammerspring to 4.0 turn in from out and start from a lower pressure, possibly 2600 PSI
NVak
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I believe the 1100Z breexh is aluminiuminuminummmm........
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Looks alot like the Avenger breech.
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Small game season opens November 9 here. I’m confident enough with the Raider now to consider it hunting ready. I’m determined to study the BStaley mod more and figure out how it would be applied to the Raider. I ain’t ready to start poking around in the guts of this thing yet. I’m gonna take it out in the field and give it a thorough shake down first.
I found the hammer adjuster screw on my gun to be surprisingly easy to turn. Easy enough that it concerned me. It feels like it might be loose enough to turn due to vibration either from repeated shots or from transportation. Something to be aware of.
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Small game season opens November 9 here. I’m confident enough with the Raider now to consider it hunting ready. I’m determined to study the BStaley mod more and figure out how it would be applied to the Raider. I ain’t ready to start poking around in the guts of this thing yet. I’m gonna take it out in the field and give it a thorough shake down first.
I found the hammer adjuster screw on my gun to be surprisingly easy to turn. Easy enough that it concerned me. It feels like it might be loose enough to turn due to vibration either from repeated shots or from transportation. Something to be aware of.
The one on my Chief II was like that. I ended up taking a white paint pen and making a mark on the hammer spring adjustment at 12:00 so I could glance down at it and make sure it hasn't moved. I still have my 22 and 177 Chief II's, they are great guns for the money and shoot wonderfully.
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Small game season opens November 9 here. I’m confident enough with the Raider now to consider it hunting ready. I’m determined to study the BStaley mod more and figure out how it would be applied to the Raider. I ain’t ready to start poking around in the guts of this thing yet. I’m gonna take it out in the field and give it a thorough shake down first.
I found the hammer adjuster screw on my gun to be surprisingly easy to turn. Easy enough that it concerned me. It feels like it might be loose enough to turn due to vibration either from repeated shots or from transportation. Something to be aware of.
The one on my Chief II was like that. I ended up taking a white paint pen and making a mark on the hammer spring adjustment at 12:00 so I could glance down at it and make sure it hasn't moved. I still have my 22 and 177 Chief II's, they are great guns for the money and shoot wonderfully.
That's a good idea. Once I get the gun dialed in I'll do that.
QUALITY CONTROL WARNING Repel 40% DEET insect repellent will soften and possibly strip the finish from the wood stock on the Beeman Raider! I gooped up this a.m. in preparation for a walk through my permission. When I touched the stock it immediately felt tacky. Anywhere my treated skin touched the wood it stuck. Fortunately I had not applied much but I had to wash my hands before I could handle the gun comfortably. Other owners might keep this in mind if you live where insect repellent is necessary.
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I keep bug stuff off my hands, had too many plastic things melt in my hands not in my mouth :-\
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28°F
@4.0 turns in
CPUM 14.3gr
0. 2600 PSI start
1. 767
3. 768
5. 775
7. 797
9.810
10.819 @ 2300 PSI
11. 832
13. 843
15. 846
17. 854
19. 854
20. 855 @1900 PSI
21. 846
23. 837
25. 829
27. 819
29. 804
30. 799 @ 1500 PSI
I still need to test more settings. This setting has 17 shots within 30 FPS.
NVak
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Small game season opens November 9 here. I’m confident enough with the Raider now to consider it hunting ready. I’m determined to study the BStaley mod more and figure out how it would be applied to the Raider. I ain’t ready to start poking around in the guts of this thing yet. I’m gonna take it out in the field and give it a thorough shake down first.
I found the hammer adjuster screw on my gun to be surprisingly easy to turn. Easy enough that it concerned me. It feels like it might be loose enough to turn due to vibration either from repeated shots or from transportation. Something to be aware of.
Sam, where exactly is the hammer spring screw located? Mine should be here by Wednesday, and I wanna be ready.
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JimT66,
The hammer adjustment screw is located at the rear of the airtube. Included is the Allen wrench used to adjust the hammer spring tension.
I need to refill the Raider and try back out the screw another full turn. I'm sure that's add another 3-5 shots to stay within 30 FPS. I'm thinking of using Heavier pellets, heavier pellets should also bring down the FPS spread.
NVak
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JimT66,
The hammer adjustment screw is located at the rear of the airtube. Included is the Allen wrench used to adjust the hammer spring tension.
I need to refill the Raider and try back out the screw another full turn. I'm sure that's add another 3-5 shots to stay within 30 FPS. I'm thinking of using Heavier pellets, heavier pellets should also bring down the FPS spread.
NVak
Judging by your numbers it looks like you are refining the tune at this point. I don’t think my .25 can be as efficient as your .22 unless I settle for a much lower muzzle energy. I’d like to get a nice long flat curve with a mean of around 24 FPE. Bench rest accuracy of the gun has been fine but it’s been disappointing in the field where I’m struggling with a wandering zero on my scope. I don’t know if it’s the scope, the rings, or the synthetic receiver.
On AGN members were discussing the hammer. Some fellows think it’s too heavy and needs to be lightened for best efficiency. I’m trying to puzzle out how that would work. :o
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These sound like a good candidate for the Bstanley Oring mod ??? Could bring you near regulated shot strings.
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These sound like a good candidate for the Bstanley Oring mod ??? Could bring you near regulated shot strings.
I believe that someone posted about doing that mod or maybe it was on a Beeman Commander. I'm leaning toward that modification. If I can figure out how to do it to this gun. I was kinda hoping somebody else would do it first. :P
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I did the BStaley mod on a .177 Beeman Raider.
You need to get the hammer out of the receiver first.
It took me a while the first time.
From what I remember to get the hammer out:
-remove the endcap holding the hamer spring and the hammer spring
Some screws need to be taken out.
-loosen the trigger assembly, slightly away from the air tube
-the hammer will come out now
I used 2 o'rings, OD: 22mm, CS: 2mm
The o'rings need to be well greased with silicone grease and placed touching the valve face.
Then the hammer is placed back in as usual.
Attach the trigger assembly to the air tube, since it was just a littlle loose you need to tighten the front screw.
Make sure that the trigger still works.
Add back the hammer spring, endcap and the screws.
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Thank you naptemp! There are plenty of videos on how to do this for 13XX etc. but nothing yet about the Raider. I wasn't sure it would work. What kind of shot count/velocities are you getting?
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Yes it was naptemp that first mentioned the BStaley mod. I have a set of O-rings on the way to get the Mod done. I'm sure I can Mod a couple others like the Marshall and the Iconix.
Some time ago I had read a pic story on how to get the Mod done. Today if it is not bad out I'll get another shot string through the Chrono.
NVak
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There are many o ring assortment kits to be found but I have one of the on the way.
This kit contains the 22mm x 2mm o ring needed for the mod
https://www.amazon.com/Romeda-Assortment-Nitrile-Plumbing-Connections
Sorry the link appears to be broken. The kit cost was $5.99
NVak
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I got out some graph paper and shot a graph of the POI at twenty yards. Three sheets of graph paper made 33 data points. Starting from a 2700 PSI fill I shot 33 25.39gr JSB Kings, one at each point in turn. POA was six o’clock on each black square. The gun was zeroed for 35 yards. I was only shooting from a bucket and sticks so I figure a margin of error of +or- 5%. Figure the vertical error is about equal to the horizontal error and it is pretty evident. Ending pressure was approximately 1300 PSI. The results were surprising and actually kind of encouraging. See below.
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Thank you naptemp! There are plenty of videos on how to do this for 13XX etc. but nothing yet about the Raider. I wasn't sure it would work. What kind of shot count/velocities are you getting?
Last 48 shots (4 mags) shot string (2 days ago) with Norma domed 9.1 grains:
-start at 3500 PSI and 850 FPS
-peak around 885 FPS
-end around 2300 PSI and 850 FPS
I could also get 72 shots (6 magazines) at lower 800s FPS with a 40-45 FPS spread.
Once you install the o'ring buffer (BStaley mod) it's much easier to get efficient tunes.
The airgun also becomes much more QUIET.
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Thank you naptemp! There are plenty of videos on how to do this for 13XX etc. but nothing yet about the Raider. I wasn't sure it would work. What kind of shot count/velocities are you getting?
Last 48 shots (4 mags) shot string (2 days ago) with Norma domed 9.1 grains:
-start at 3500 PSI and 850 FPS
-peak around 885 FPS
-end around 2300 PSI and 850 FPS
I could also get 72 shots (6 magazines) at lower 800s FPS with a 40-45 FPS spread.
Once you install the o'ring buffer (BStaley mod) it's much easier to get efficient tunes.
The airgun also becomes much more QUIET.
Thank you! Very helpful! I have at least three O-ring selections. Do you recommend butyl or nitrile?
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I got the pyramyd air sale catalog this weekend, these rifles caught my eye. A 25 might be cool to have, my 362-25 pounds targets and these run 100+ fps faster.
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I got the pyramyd air sale catalog this weekend, these rifles caught my eye. A 25 might be cool to have, my 362-25 pounds targets and these run 100+ fps faster.
The C3622 was my first PCP and It left me a little ambivalent toward them. The price of the Beeman hooked me. I already had the pump I bought for the Crosman so it was an impulse buy. This may not be the greatest PCP out there but it changed my mind about them. I’d get another one of these in .22 but the memsahib would Nail my hide to the shed! :D
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Thank you naptemp! There are plenty of videos on how to do this for 13XX etc. but nothing yet about the Raider. I wasn't sure it would work. What kind of shot count/velocities are you getting?
Last 48 shots (4 mags) shot string (2 days ago) with Norma domed 9.1 grains:
-start at 3500 PSI and 850 FPS
-peak around 885 FPS
-end around 2300 PSI and 850 FPS
I could also get 72 shots (6 magazines) at lower 800s FPS with a 40-45 FPS spread.
Once you install the o'ring buffer (BStaley mod) it's much easier to get efficient tunes.
The airgun also becomes much more QUIET.
Thank you! Very helpful! I have at least three O-ring selections. Do you recommend butyl or nitrile?
I use cheap Chinese o'ring which are nitrile.
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10+ years ago when we were all doing the FD-PCP (XS 60 C on hpa) we used the #113 buna if I remember correctly.
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As long as they don't dissolve in Silicone lubricant.
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I had the same ones in the gun I was shooting today for all of those 10 years.
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I got out some graph paper and shot a graph of the POI at twenty yards. Three sheets of graph paper made 33 data points. Starting from a 2700 PSI fill I shot 33 25.39gr JSB Kings, one at each point in turn. POA was six o’clock on each black square. The gun was zeroed for 35 yards. I was only shooting from a bucket and sticks so I figure a margin of error of +or- 5%. Figure the vertical error is about equal to the horizontal error and it is pretty evident. Ending pressure was approximately 1300 PSI. The results were surprising and actually kind of encouraging. See below.
I've been crunching the numbers on this graph and the accompanying chronograph data.
If I overlay the impact points 20 shots out of 33 fall in a 1/2" group centered 1" above the 20 yard POA. This corresponds to a <3/4" group at the expected 35 yard POI. I can hunt with that. Furthermore 28 out of thirty shots fall within a <1" group at 20 yards. The total vertical error between all shots is less than 1.25". If you correct for my less than perfect marksmanship the capabilities of this gun are impressive especially at this price.
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I got out some graph paper and shot a graph of the POI at twenty yards. Three sheets of graph paper made 33 data points. Starting from a 2700 PSI fill I shot 33 25.39gr JSB Kings, one at each point in turn. POA was six o’clock on each black square. The gun was zeroed for 35 yards. I was only shooting from a bucket and sticks so I figure a margin of error of +or- 5%. Figure the vertical error is about equal to the horizontal error and it is pretty evident. Ending pressure was approximately 1300 PSI. The results were surprising and actually kind of encouraging. See below.
I've been crunching the numbers on this graph and the accompanying chronograph data.
If I overlay the impact points 20 shots out of 33 fall in a 1/2" group centered 1" above the 20 yard POA. This corresponds to a <3/4" group at the expected 35 yard POI. I can hunt with that. Furthermore 28 out of thirty shots fall within a 1" group at 20 yards. The total vertical error between all shots is less than 1.25". If you correct for my less than perfect marksmanship the capabilities of this gun are impressive especially at this price.
Carter, have you seen Triggertreat's spreadsheet?
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I got out some graph paper and shot a graph of the POI at twenty yards. Three sheets of graph paper made 33 data points. Starting from a 2700 PSI fill I shot 33 25.39gr JSB Kings, one at each point in turn. POA was six o’clock on each black square. The gun was zeroed for 35 yards. I was only shooting from a bucket and sticks so I figure a margin of error of +or- 5%. Figure the vertical error is about equal to the horizontal error and it is pretty evident. Ending pressure was approximately 1300 PSI. The results were surprising and actually kind of encouraging. See below.
I've been crunching the numbers on this graph and the accompanying chronograph data.
If I overlay the impact points 20 shots out of 33 fall in a 1/2" group centered 1" above the 20 yard POA. This corresponds to a <3/4" group at the expected 35 yard POI. I can hunt with that. Furthermore 28 out of thirty shots fall within a 1" group at 20 yards. The total vertical error between all shots is less than 1.25". If you correct for my less than perfect marksmanship the capabilities of this gun are impressive especially at this price.
Carter, have you seen Triggertreat's spreadsheet?
Yes and I commented that I thought it needed its own important post thread. It's funny. If I know what equation to use I can work a lot of stuff out with graphs. I'll need the memsahib's help to work Excel though. :P
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I got the pyramyd air sale catalog this weekend, these rifles caught my eye. A 25 might be cool to have, my 362-25 pounds targets and these run 100+ fps faster.
The C3622 was my first PCP and It left me a little ambivalent toward them. The price of the Beeman hooked me. I already had the pump I bought for the Crosman so it was an impulse buy. This may not be the greatest PCP out there but it changed my mind about them. I’d get another one of these in .22 but the memsahib would Nail my hide to the shed! :D
My 25 is a converted 362(pumper). I also have a 3622 with a steel breech and a 362 metal trigger guard that has adjusting screws, I'm liking it. It's a good rifle, as long as it's not expected to compare to a $1000 rifle. I like it for what it is, a basic, lightweight, no frills rifle. They're not for everyone.
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Today two things arrived. One is the Beeman Raider .25, yay! The other was a storm, 😂. So I shot a few rounds OOTB and that thing is loud. Have not adjusted the hammer spring yet. The “iron” sights are nicer than the 3622, but do not work for these eyes. Mounted the BugBuster 3-12x32 mil-dot and nailed a dead tree through the rain and wind gusts at 80 yards using the single shot tray. The mag does not fit under this scope with medium rings. I have a cheap CVlife scope that is longer and will probably work, or might buy taller rings for the UTG. For now I plan to just use the single shot tray until the Raider is dialed in (as much as I can). The BStaley mod might be more than I will take on, so hammer spring adjustment to begin. Really liking my introduction to this AG.
Anyone have experience with a moderator? .25 or go up to a .30 caliber moderator?
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NorCal David,
Welcome to the Raider Platoon. I have two of Buck-Rail 1/2x20 UNF Moderator/ LDC in both tapered and non tapered. I have only tried the narrower tapered LDC and it works very good and makes the shot report quieter than the target being hit. With a LDC on It does make the Raider longer around 42, 3/4".
NVak
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Today two things arrived. One is the Beeman Raider .25, yay! The other was a storm, 😂. So I shot a few rounds OOTB and that thing is loud. Have not adjusted the hammer spring yet. The “iron” sights are nicer than the 3622, but do not work for these eyes. Mounted the BugBuster 3-12x32 mil-dot and nailed a dead tree through the rain and wind gusts at 80 yards using the single shot tray. The mag does not fit under this scope with medium rings. I have a cheap CVlife scope that is longer and will probably work, or might buy taller rings for the UTG. For now I plan to just use the single shot tray until the Raider is dialed in (as much as I can). The BStaley mod might be more than I will take on, so hammer spring adjustment to begin. Really liking my introduction to this AG.
Anyone have experience with a moderator? .25 or go up to a .30 caliber moderator?
Once you back the hammer spring off some the existing muzzle ornament works adequately. Buck rail sells a moderator that will fit this gun. I've bought two BR moderators for other guns and while they ain't Donny-FL quality they are good enough for me. I'm only filling to 2700 PSI and I'm getting 20 good shots (34 total) per fill with the hammer backed out 4 turns. It definitely quiets the beast down. Don't expect a whole lot of shots in .25 cal with this sized air reservoir. I think the Bstally mod will give me another 6-7 good shots per fill. But that would be enough! I've never needed more than 25 rounds on any hunting trip. Just switched to 20.06gr H&N FTT and I think they are going to be the best all around pellet for this gun. Definitely getting a longer shot count with the lighter pellet. ;D
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JimT66,
The hammer adjustment screw is located at the rear of the airtube. Included is the Allen wrench used to adjust the hammer spring tension.
I need to refill the Raider and try back out the screw another full turn. I'm sure that's add another 3-5 shots to stay within 30 FPS. I'm thinking of using Heavier pellets, heavier pellets should also bring down the FPS spread.
NVak
Thank you sir! Mine did arrive today, and weather permitting, I'm gonna air this beast up tomorrow, and see what she does.
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NorCal David,
Welcome to the Raider Platoon. I have two of Buck-Rail 1/2x20 UNF Moderator/ LDC in both tapered and non tapered. I have only tried the narrower tapered LDC and it works very good and makes the shot report quieter than the target being hit. With a LDC on It does make the Raider longer around 42, 3/4".
NVak
Thank you for the info. I only have the BR tapered in .22 and it worked well on another AG. Longer should be fine and quieter makes it worthwhile. Sounds like .30 cal is not necessary so I will go .25.
I like the “Raider Platoon” label.
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Once you back the hammer spring off some the existing muzzle ornament works adequately. Buck rail sells a moderator that will fit this gun. I've bought two BR moderators for other guns and while they ain't Donny-FL quality they are good enough for me. I'm only filling to 2700 PSI and I'm getting 20 good shots (34 total) per fill with the hammer backed out 4 turns. It definitely quiets the beast down. Don't expect a whole lot of shots in .25 cal with this sized air reservoir. I think the Bstally mod will give me another 6-7 good shots per fill. But that would be enough! I've never needed more than 25 rounds on any hunting trip. Just switched to 20.06gr H&N FTT and I think they are going to be the best all around pellet for this gun. Definitely getting a longer shot count with the lighter pellet. ;D
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Good idea Captain. I will play with the hammer spring to see how it goes before ordering. I only filled to 2500 psi today since the rain was heavy and I knew it would be a short session. I will order some of those H&N to try and maybe a tin of AirArms 16gr and some RWS Superdomes. I know this Raider will get a lot more use than it should since they do not make cheap pellets in .25, but YOLO. The fun factor counts too.
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The muzzle is threaded 1/2-20.
There is a tiny tube/moderator at the front.
Remove that tiny tube and you can use your own moderator.
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A 1/2-20 moderator similar to the Buckrail moderator can be 3D printed for under $2.
This assumes that you have a 3D printer.
I have 3D printed tens of modcerators so far.
I do not think I will buy a moderator ever again.
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Ok guys, stupid question here. To remove the factory pipe , I assume the threaded end cap must be removed first, yes? Well, mine is threaded on like someone used an impact gun on it. What is best way to get the frizzlin thing off without grinding everything up.
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Ok guys, stupid question here. To remove the factory pipe , I assume the threaded end cap must be removed first, yes? Well, mine is threaded on like someone used an impact gun on it. What is best way to get the frizzlin thing off without grinding everything up.
Look down the muzzle. It's configured for a big Allen key. 8mm maybe? Turn that and the moderator will unscrew.
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Ahhhh! Cool. Why don't these jacklegs include a diagram or exploded view in the box with these things! Always gotta make it difficult on us.
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20°F
Wind from North @ 31 MPH
For three days now it has been cold and stormy out with blowing snow so I have not been able to shoot the Raider. If temps continue to stay low I may have to wait till temps are higher to where I am comfortable < +30°F. Not sure how long that'll be but I'll try and try maybe In the mid 20°s and I can get more testing done.
So I'm sure using Heavier pellets will use more air per shot, though if I am thinking right the velocity spread should go down, maybe,,,,,... I'll find out I have up to 21gr pellets and 21gr slugs in .22. At a much later time, possibly after adding the Bstaley mod and Quickshot Side Lever Breech I'll give the slugs a try and see if they work good through this barrel. But for now I am still trying to find the magic setting sans Bstaley mod and using cheap pellets that I have plenty of, CPUM 14.3gr.
NVak
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After the BStaley mod I like my .177 Raider so much (for the $120+ price) that I am tempted to buy one in .22.
I can buy a .22 Beeman Raider for less than $130.
The only similarly price PCP is the Crosman 3622.
But the Raider is way better.
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20°F
Wind from North @ 31 MPH
For three days now it has been cold and stormy out with blowing snow so I have not been able to shoot the Raider....
NVak
Definitely not shooting weather, stay safe.
We had a break in the weather down here , 50F wind 5mph and I sighted in my BugBuster scope, roughly. Will fine tune it when the best pellet comes along and I get a table. It is too early to give statistics, but the big surprise was a 5 shot group of .25 caliber H&N Baracuda Green 19.91gr at 20 yards sitting unsupported came in under an inch. Not bad for greens. Will need to replicate that a few times to be sure. It certainly is nice using a scope. Need to adjust the hammer spring more to eliminate the bounce. Hope to shoot a bit tomorrow. Take care.
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After two days of hunting, carrying the gun up and down sandhills, through swamps, thickets, and over log piles, then bouncing over about a hundred miles of secondary roads in my pick-up. The thirty yard zero was still holding with a slight bias to the left. This morning I got down in the riverbed. Thirty feet of vertical bank and eighty feet of trees above me. There was NO wind moving down where I was. I sighted in on a snag 75 yards away from a solid brace on a log. The first shot was six inches to the left. I cranked on twelve clicks of right azimuth. The second shot was a little right of the target. I backed off two clicks and shot again. Bullseye! Three more 20gr H&N FTT hit the same spot in short order.
I don't think the wandering zero is cured but the intrinsic accuracy of the platform is apparent. I'm starting to suspect that the synthetic receiver may not be stable enough to support a heavy optic. A red-dot might work but I loathe red-dots because they are so imprecise. A Bugbuster or some other compact scope might work. I'm going to persevere with the outfit I've got since it seems slightly more robust than the setup I had on here before. If I haven't cured the problem in a week or so I'm going to have to part with the Raider. My guns are for hunting. If it isn't accurate it's got to go. :P
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Looking at the setup they provide, I think a 11mm to weaver cantilever , if it clears the mag, would be a good solid mounting option.
(https://cdn.airgundepot.com/ay/airgundepot/agd_632513103_py_6325__1728310481.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NBoAAOSw~NRiOTvT/s-l1600.webp)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314028998195?
This could be another option just to get more purchase and reinforcement to the 11mm rail.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266249693342?
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Looking at the setup they provide, I think a 11mm to weaver cantilever , if it clears the mag, would be a good solid mounting option.
(https://cdn.airgundepot.com/ay/airgundepot/agd_632513103_py_6325__1728310481.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NBoAAOSw~NRiOTvT/s-l1600.webp)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314028998195?
This could be another option just to get more purchase and reinforcement to the 11mm rail.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266249693342?
I thought so too! No Bueno. I’m on my second scope and third set of rings for this gun. I can zero it and it will shoot beautifully for as many mags as I care to run through it. Carry it through the woods for a few ours then transport it via pick-up truck over washboard roads and it drifts off to the right or the left. Leads me to believe the synthetic receiver is inadequately staked to the tube. :(
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It's not the synthetic receiver.
Many of my airguns with a metal receiver will lose zero without doing anything special to them.
If you want to not lose zero in those field/hunting conditions you will have to use open sights or small scopes.
I am not sure which airgun setup would not lose zero in the conditions you described.
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It's not the synthetic receiver.
Many of my airguns with a metal receiver will lose zero without doing anything special to them.
If you want to not lose zero in those field/hunting conditions you will have to use open sights or small scopes.
I am not sure which airgun setup would not lose zero in the conditions you described.
I have not re-zeroed my principal hunting gun, a Sears Roebuck Model 126 19300 (1967 Crosman 1st model 1400) in three years of hunting the Apalachicola national forest. Nor have I had to re-zero my Hatsan mod 95 which is my go-to springer when the leaves are off the trees. My XS60C holds zero perfectly under these conditions and this is the gun I pirated the first scope and rings combo that failed on the Raider off of. I carry all my guns in soft cases on the back seat of an extra cab pick-up. I've never had any trouble before with guns not holding zero.
Possibly the screws securing the (plastic) receiver to the tube are not tight enough. I'm not going to start over tightening screws until I've had an opportunity to read a service manual or talk to a Beeman rep. I have made inquiries on other airgun forums to see if anyone else is experiencing wandering zero issues. No response yet.
I'm hoping that today's issues were the result of a sloppy zero at 20 yards becoming much more apparent at 75.
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Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.
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Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.
The barrel is threaded 1/2-20 which is more than many airguns will give you.
I removed the fake shroud parts, the front sight and used my own moderator.
My moderator combined with the BStaley mod makes it quiet.
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Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.
The 18 grain pellets are usually .22 caliber.
Do you have a .22 or a .25 Beeman Raider?
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Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.
The 18 grain pellets are usually .22 caliber.
Do you have a .22 or a .25 Beeman Raider?
Oops, sorry, they are H&N 20.06 grain field pellets! Yes, .25 caliber.
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Having a Polymer breech I think it would be good to use a light weight scope also I have found Dovetail- Picatinny mounts work very good on Polymer/Plastic rails or bases having a long surface area to grip the dovetail does help with making it semi solid. Some dove-pic rails do need some work to make them sit level without cant. I have found one mount that does mount level without any modifications.
Low Profile Rail Adaptor 20mm to 11mm ，96mm in Length
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B085MZ7LRF/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A13JILYOJ0Q556&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07MN2VMK8/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A13JILYOJ0Q556&psc=1&th=1
I have one and it does very good, I do want to add a few more to be mounted on a few of my polymer reciever airguns.
Today's forecast shows a high of 25 °F so if the wind and snow will cooperate I may be able to shoot a shot string through the Chrono later today.
NVak
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Long metal dovetail to picatinny adapters should make the breech more stable for sure.
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Good news! Two more trips to the woods since the last zero and everything is holding. The proof is in the pot. I got three squirrels this afternoon in about fifteen minutes. Two head shots, one boiler room. Graveyard dead. ;D
I'll post pics on the hunting gate.
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Blowpipe Sam,
Getting it done with the .25 Raider. Very Good News that your zero is holding.
Excellent Work Blowpipe Sam
Stay Alert
NVak
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Good news indeed. I have some nice pic rings so I ordered the adapter and will try that with one of my scopes.
Good luck on your squirrel hunting!
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Who should I go to for a more quiet moderator for my .25? This factory one is near useless.
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Who should I go to for a more quiet moderator for my .25? This factory one is near useless.
One of our illustrious leaders, Rocker1, makes some good ones. Keep it in the family. ;)
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Most of The moderators I have are from Buckrail, I also have a couple of TKO or AGM LDCs.
https://buck-rail.com/product/1-2-20-unf-silencer/
This one has a metal insert for the threads, which Is great. Shot report will be made quiet.
I'm sure Rocker1 makes some good moderators.
The barrel is threaded and you need a 1/2x20 UNF Moderator / LDC.
NVak
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Who should I go to for a more quiet moderator for my .25? This factory one is near useless.
The factory one is tiny and barely works.
I am 3D printing my moderators using PETG.
I have probably 3D printed 50 of them in the past 2 years.
Printing a moderator costs about $1-$2 in material, $1-$2 in electricity and 3D printer use.
But the main cost is my time which means the research and having to print just the threaded part to make sure it fits.
I have my moderators on almost every one of my air guns.
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Who should I go to for a more quiet moderator for my .25? This factory one is near useless.
One of our illustrious leaders, Rocker1, makes some good ones. Keep it in the family. ;)
Thank you sir! I too prefer that! I will shoot him a message.
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Thanks guys! Appreciate the great info.
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Well I’m cheap. The OEM moderator works just fine out in the woods. The squirrels didn’t seem to be alarmed by the report of the rifle and I got three in fifteen minutes. Until I decide this thing is spooking the game I ain’t changing the muzzle ornament.
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Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
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Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
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Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
You wouldn't regret it. The .25 has some smack when it hits. Fewer shots of course per fill, but still, it has authority when it meets meat.
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Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thanks for the advice Carter! I just mounted a 1x6x24 LPVO on a set of highs, but not went to zero this one. I will dig around amongst my stash, see what I can come up with. I will check these screws as well.
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Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thanks for the advice Carter! I just mounted a 1x6x24 LPVO on a set of highs, but not went to zero this one. I will dig around amongst my stash, see what I can come up with. I will check these screws as well.
Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thanks for the advice Carter! I just mounted a 1x6x24 LPVO on a set of highs, but not went to zero this one. I will dig around amongst my stash, see what I can come up with. I will check these screws as well.
Read my thread about the squirrels are faster this year in the hunting gate. Then check out my The curse is lifted post. This thing is pretty much a death ray on squirrels inside of seventy five yards. I think snugging the breech screws is the trick though. I had a walk around my permission today and shot several pellets at metal targets I have affixed to trees. The zero was dead on.
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Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thanks for the advice Carter! I just mounted a 1x6x24 LPVO on a set of highs, but not went to zero this one. I will dig around amongst my stash, see what I can come up with. I will check these screws as well.
Hey fellas having zero troubles. I have a compact cvlife 4X scope, it's a featherweight, I've had heavier thoughts. If a straight power scope will work for you, they're under $30 on amazon. Good, clear glass, too.
I'll be watching the progress, there might be one of these guns in 25 cal in my near future.
I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thanks for the advice Carter! I just mounted a 1x6x24 LPVO on a set of highs, but not went to zero this one. I will dig around amongst my stash, see what I can come up with. I will check these screws as well.
Read my thread about the squirrels are faster this year in the hunting gate. Then check out my The curse is lifted post. This thing is pretty much a death ray on squirrels inside of seventy five yards. I think snugging the breech screws is the trick though. I had a walk around my permission today and shot several pellets at metal targets I have affixed to trees. The zero was dead on.
I like the sound of that. I am gonna get these screws checked as soon as I finish grilling burgers, and see what I have not in current use with an A/O.
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I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thank you Captain for doing all the work for us. Frankly, there is no way a nube like me could figure it out this well. I have followed your posts and appreciate it.
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It seems these budget PCPs are getting the last of the holdouts to jump into the darkside.
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That and the decent pumps going for under $50.
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I gotta say that the cheap pump was the thing that kicked me over the edge. That and the sub $200 guns. These things ain't much different than pumpers and gassers just on steroids.
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I seem to have cured the wandering zero on my gun by gently tightening the 2 screws that secure the plastic breech to the tube. I also snugged up the trigger guard screws and the action screw in front of the trigger guard. I went with lower rings and a lighter scope but lighter still would probably be better. Currently it's wearing a Winchester branded 2-7X32 AO duplex reticle. IMO this gun really needs an AO scope and a mil dot reticle.
Thank you Captain for doing all the work for us. Frankly, there is no way a nube like me could figure it out this well. I have followed your posts and appreciate it.
Okay everyone! Down the rabbit hole! Follow me! ;D :o
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I gotta say that the cheap pump was the thing that kicked me over the edge. That and the sub $200 guns. These things ain't much different than pumpers and gassers just on steroids.
My pumpers have been on vacation since I discovered PCPs.
There is no comparison between a 10-15FPE pumper and a 25+ FPE PCP.
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Beeman Raider 1331 .22
30°F
3.5 turns in from out flush.
CPUM 14.3gr
2400 PSI Start
1. 791
3. 802
5. 817
7. 832
9. 853
10. 853 @ 2000 PSI
11. 855
13. 854
15. 845
17. 831
19. 819
20. 815 @ 1600 PSI
15 shots within 30 FPS.
Nearly the same performance as 4.0 turns.
It is getting close to what I want from a shot string. A couple more fills and a couple tweaks and the Raider should be where I want it to be.
I tried one shot at 3.0 turns and 2450 PSI fill for 591 FPS,, much too low.
Good from 2200 to 1600 PSI from 820-850-820 FPS in 15 shots.
I'll refill and see what setting I'll try next possibly with heavier pellets as I had said before. But for now still in testing mode.
Excellent Work GTA, Stay Alert
NVak
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I have a 177 Raider with a BStaley mod.
I get 48 shots (4 mags) in the 850 -885 fps range with 9 grain pellets.
I just bought a 22 Raider for about $120.
I can say that I really like the Raider for the price.
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I gotta say that the cheap pump was the thing that kicked me over the edge. That and the sub $200 guns. These things ain't much different than pumpers and gassers just on steroids.
My pumpers have been on vacation since I discovered PCPs.
There is no comparison between a 10-15FPE pumper and a 25+ FPE PCP.
Mine as well. They all cleaned and wiped, but still sitting . I just put a good scope on my turbo 362 a couple of weeks ago, with all intentions of shooting it. But when I reach to grab one for squirrels I always go for my pcp's.
dustcatchers.
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Beeman Raider 1331 .22
30°F
3.5 turns in from out flush.
CPUM 14.3gr
2400 PSI Start
1. 791
3. 802
5. 817
7. 832
9. 853
10. 853 @ 2000 PSI
11. 855
13. 854
15. 845
17. 831
19. 819
20. 815 @ 1600 PSI
15 shots within 30 FPS.
Nearly the same performance as 4.0 turns.
It is getting close to what I want from a shot string. A couple more fills and a couple tweaks and the Raider should be where I want it to be.
I tried one shot at 3.0 turns and 2450 PSI fill for 591 FPS,, much too low.
Good from 2200 to 1600 PSI from 820-850-820 FPS in 15 shots.
I'll refill and see what setting I'll try next possibly with heavier pellets as I had said before. But for now still in testing mode.
Excellent Work GTA, Stay Alert
NVak
Whoa! That's impressive from an unregulated air gun. I'm getting better than 18 consistent shots per fill with the .25. and almost 25 shots that are useable for hunting. I'm very happy with the gun at this level but it's clear that .22 is the better caliber for efficiency.
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Beeman Raider 1331 .22
27°F
3.25 turns in from out.
2400 PSI Start
CPUM 14.3gr
1. 823
3. 829
5. 824
7. 842
9. 835
10.848 @ 2000 PSI
11. 853
13. 844
15. 843
17. 831
19. 827
20. 816 @ 1600 PSI
< 21.3 - 23.1 FPE >
19 shots within 30 FPS
Ok I am Soo very close to the magic setting but this will work good for now. It seems a small adjustment in or out possibly 1/6 of a turn might be right where I want it.
I received the O-rings I need to perform the Bstaley Mod, which will be done at a much later time. I also have the Quickshot Aluminum Side Lever Breech Made in Brazil, fancy,, but for now I'll be using the stock breech. Fun... Soo Fun...
Excellent Work Stay Alert
NVak
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I'm keeping notes.
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I'm not really a bullpup fan but I like the Beeman 1358. The forward cocking lever made it work for me. The reason I brought it up is because I have a feeling that the action on the 1331 is going to be real close if not the same.
My 1358 has turned into a real accurate shooter.
Waiting for someone to confirm my thinking.
Confirmed. My 1358 is also very accurate!
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So, how exactly do you remove the front sight base.for the Raider? The fake pipe at the end is already removed. Thanks!
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So, how exactly do you remove the front sight base.for the Raider? The fake pipe at the end is already removed. Thanks!
According to what I read on AGN that part of the shroud is a friction fit. The barrel has a milled flat under the shroud. Apparently rotating the shroud back and forth slightly while pulling on it is enough to release it. I haven't tried this myself mind you it's just what I read. The rear sight base unscrews but leaves an unsightly hole in the shroud. I settled for removing the rear sight leaf and leaving the base. Do you think the front sight assembly is an overly fat abomination that effects the scope sight picture? I sure do! If you figure out how to get that sucker off please let me know.
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The front sight is held just by friction.
To remove the front sight off my Raider I heated the front sight body with a heat gun.
Then I wiggled it left and right until it came out.
Heat it for 20-30 seconds, and move the heat gun around.
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Hello been away from airguns for awhile. Found this post on the Beeman rifles. I did put Barra 1100Z side lever breeches on my .177 .22 and .25 rifles. I have not done anything with them lately but I think I do have the .177 and .22 side lever breeches with 1100z 20 inch barrels that I removed from my 2 crossmans before I sent them back on that recall. If I can find them I will be willing to sell them if anyone is interested. Let me look tonite when I get home and then I will post if I can find them. After all this good reports on them I may have to get them back out and tinker again. Thanx
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Got some 20.06gr H&N FTT domed for Black Friday and tried them out at 25 yards, measured, sitting in a chair with elbow resting on a table. Bug buster scope still, at 6x. Best 5 shot group was just over 1/2”. Surprising how shakey I was today. Another group was 1” and a third was over an inch. Plinked a bit at 30 yards and that is probably as far as I would hunt. Marked 40 yards too, but I will need to clear more brush to shoot a target there. It has been too long between shooting sessions and I had a great time. Need to compare pellets and break out the chrony.
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Sorry guys. The long term hunting durability test is a failure. This gun will make a fine plinker, pester, or bench rifle, but not a hunting gun. It just won't hold zero with a scope. Today I fitted the third scope and the fourth set of rings. I am so tired of re-zeroing this gun. I deliberately tipped the gun over onto a bed of pinestraw. Knocked the zero off one inch to the left at 20 yards. I'm done. It simply cannot tolerate anything but the gentlest handling. :P
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I paid $120-$130 for my .177 and .22.
I think they are very good plinkers, short range target shooters under 50 yards.
You expect to smack your gun and still hold zero on the first shot.
None of my airguns (all under $500 and scopes under $50) can do that.
When I have this kind of isues is usually the scope or the scope rings.
If I wanted airguns holding their zero, no matter what, I would use open sights.
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I paid $120-$130 for my .177 and .22.
I think they are very good plinkers, short range target shooters under 50 yards.
You expect to smack your gun and still hold zero on the first shot.
None of my airguns (all under $500 and scopes under $50) can do that.
When I have this kind of isues is usually the scope or the scope rings.
If I wanted airguns holding their zero, no matter what, I would use open sights.
And yet I can get that kind of reliability from other guns I own. My favorite Crosman 1400 is dependable as a rock. The conditions that I hunt in are pretty extreme. Very rough, potholed forestry roads, deep, swampy thickets, steep head ravines. It's public land so I have to be prepared to hike a little farther and wade a little deeper than I would on a permission. I usually check the zero at least once during a hunt with all my air guns because of this. Occasionally one of the others will have drifted off POA but not with the consistency of the Beeman.
Other than that I like the gun. Well the ugly tendency to slam-fire if the bolt slips while cocking is a little disconcerting. I'm surprised the lawyers didn't catch that. It's light, handy, (mostly) accurate, powerful, and it has a useable shot curve with plenty of shots for an afternoon of squirrel hunting. Only with open sights. :P
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The other day it was "warm"outside around 25°F but I couldn't find my Chrono until it was dark out. Today it is 24°F and 20°F is near the lower limit of my temperature resistance for comfortable shooting.
I have pumped the Raider to 2500 PSI as I expect to lose at least 100 PSI from the temperature change going outside. I also added 1/6 of a turn in to attempt to find the magic setting. Now set around 3.66 turns in from out flush.
After I get a few things done I'll put together a shot string as the mid twenties temperatures won't stay around for long.
I have yet to mount a scope on the Raider. Soon I'll be mounting one of the scopes I have around.
Blowpipe Sam, thankyou for updating us on your progress. Excellent Work Stay Alert
NVak
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I went back to the Sports match rings and the Winchester scope. It was the most successful combination for the longest period of time. Then I shot a 1 hole offhand group from 20 yards. I really like the power of this gun. It does an impressive amount of damage to small game. The three squirrels I've killed with it were DRT. Even the boiler room shot only ran a couple of yards before expiring. I don't like to cripple animals or cause unnecessary suffering so I'm moving toward .25 as my primary hunting caliber. I've discovered (courtesy of the Raider) that I really like magazine fed repeaters. So as disappointed as I am right now I intend to persevere with the Beeman. I just have to accept that jolting down forest road 358 is out for the Raider. I'll just have to carry some other gun when I hunt those spots.
It's not like I don't have a few others. ;D
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Any PCP air gun of Beeman Raider's quality under $200 is another Beeman PCP.
I am shooting 1.5" spinner target at 50-60 yards with mine and I am very happy with their performance.
I really like the Beeman Raider.
It is short, svelte, with a nice wooden stock and shoots way above its price.
I removed the fake shroud pieces and sights fom mine.
The barrel has a 1/2-20 thread, thank you Beeman for that.
Many foreign manufacturers (Snowpeak, Beeman, etc) are coming to understand the importance of the 1/2-20 threaded barrels or shrouds.
The trigger needs some improvement, but it seems to be a Crosman style trigger (coming from break barrels?).
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...I just have to accept that jolting down forest road 358 is out for the Raider. I'll just have to carry some other gun when I hunt those spots.
So be it. I am sorry to hear that since my main skill is knocking mine onto the ground and dropping stuff. Will be more careful in the future. I just put new scope rings that are a bit higher on mine to see if the mag will fit under the BugBuster. If not, I will change scopes. Filled the shooting bags and am ready to sight it in, maybe next week. Hope mine accepts more abuse than yours does. Enjoy your hunting with whatever works for you!
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Beeman Raider 1331 .22
*** correction. Previous post showed a setting of 3.66, after reading through my notes it is actually set at;
3.41 Turns in
2400 PSI Start
CPUM 14.3gr
1. 814
3. 816
5. 827
7. 834
9. 838
10. 849 @2000 PSI
11. 852
13. 848
15. 839
17. 830
19. 811
20. 814 @ 1550 PSI
It appears as though I already had found the magic setting. So I took back the 1/6 turn I had added.
The setting of 3.25 providing a better shot string unless the small changes have to do with atmospheric pressure and low temperatures having an effect on the small springs in play.
Next is to try other pellets along with mounting a scope. Later time will be getting the Raider BStaley Modified and even later would be to add the SL Breech.
NVak
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... add the SL Breech.
NVak
That breech might solve the drifting POA? Plastic breeches might not be a great idea.
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... add the SL Breech.
NVak
That breech might solve the drifting POA? Plastic breeches might not be a great idea.
That's where I'm headed.
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That breech might solve the drifting POA? Plastic breeches might not be a great idea.
That's where I'm headed.
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Looking forward to the details and results.
I run a lot slower than you guys. Last weekend I finally replaced the scope rings with higher ones and now the sun shade fits on the scope. Shot three mags of FTT 20.06 gr 25 cal pellets at 25 yards and the results were fine for me. Hope to move the target in to 20 yards and out to 30 sometime this week.
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That breech might solve the drifting POA? Plastic breeches might not be a great idea.
That's where I'm headed.
Looking forward to the details and results.
I run a lot slower than you guys. Last weekend I finally replaced the scope rings with higher ones and now the sun shade fits on the scope. Shot three mags of FTT 20.06 gr 25 cal pellets at 25 yards and the results were fine for me. Hope to move the target in to 20 yards and out to 30 sometime this week.
[/quote]Mine seems to like the 20.06gr FTT also. 25.39gr JSB Kings were not quite as accurate but the produced the highest muzzle energy. I'm getting a longer shot string with the FTT's so they are my go to hunting pellet.
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Today I have taken apart the receiver, hammer, barrel, etc again for the 10th+ time to install yet another BStaley o'ring variation.
I am 3D printing my buffer o'rings now in TPU.
The barel is attached to the synthetic receiver with a pin (not screw) which can be taken out from under the receiver.
The 2 barrel bands keep the barrel aligned with the tube.
The 2 screws in the receiver keep the receiver aligned with the tube.
When there are no barrel bands, the barrel can move in the receiver any way it wants.
This is definitely not a very reliable setup if you want to hold zero.
The front and rear open sights are both attached to the barrel.
The open sights are the only reliable way to hold zero.
I still like the rifle but I treat it very gently.
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I also took my .22 apart again. This time to repair gap between spacer that holds breech front screw and front stock screw. The set up is like that of the QB78, I installed a 3/8 washer between valve and block to set gap exactly center for bolts. Also got rid of plastic shroud and made a carbon fiber shroud. I installed mt BARRA 1100Z 22 inch barrel but it was 3 or more inches longer than original Beeman barrel. Switched back to Beeman barrel and tried to chrony but my chrony took a &^^&. Need to order new chrony to dial this gun and my .177 and .25 in. The Barra 1100z breeches work great.
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I could not find those breeches on the Barra website:
https://barraairguns.com/collections/all/parts
They have barrels, and other parts but no breeches.
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About a year ago I was tinkering with the Crosman Icons and called BARRA to see if they sold the breeches. They said they did not but had warranty guns they were parting out. I purchased several of these breeches and used on my Icons and Raiders. I sent the Icons back on the recall Crosman had but put them back to stock and kept the breeches. The breeches fit great except the lug on the hammer that sticks up into the breech is too thick. I solved that but taking the lug out and put in a drill and turn against a file till it was thin enough to fit the breech opening. I think I still may have the breeches and lugs for .177 and .22 that I may place an add for sale and sell them. I did call Barra and was told they have no more to sell. It is a super easy mod and stiffens the upper breech/barrel section. It has picatany mounting for scope rails. I took the .22 breech and used a piece of aluminum tubing and made the probe fit for my .25 barrel Raider. Everything works fine.
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rkrr20307@comcast.net,
Excellent Work on the three Raiders you have. Not long ago I started looking up carbon fiber tubes. What size tube did you use on the Raiders?
Lately it has been abit cold out to be shooting so haven't taken the Raiders out in awhile.
NVak
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I did not want to have custom barrel bands made so I used 17mm inside by 19 mm outside by 500 mm carbon tubes. I installed 4-6 3/8 inside by 1/2 outside rubber o rings on the barrel and the tube slid over it for a tight fit. I installed to top barrel band and marked the tube and cut it so the tube fit tight between the barrel bands. Then using the original mod measured a smaller section of the carbon tube cut it and screwed mod on tight. Sorry to be so long winded.
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Had a short break in the rain, so i tried the 25 cal JTS Dead Center 25.39g. They did not group as well as the FTT 20.06 at 20 yards and had one flier. Might try some others this weekend if i can get away.
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rkrr20307@comcast.net ,
Excellent Work and thankyou for the information on putting together the CF Raiders .
NorCal David,
Good that your getting things going along with the Raider. I'll have to wait till warmer temperatures to take the Raider out. I have a Svitvu 3-9x32mm HMD pre-mounted on a Dove-Picrail Base and medium rings. It's a nice lightweight scope, Non AO so I manually changed the objective to close to 30 yards. The scope does Not allow me to change magnification as the POI will shift. Not a problem as I am normal to keeping a magnification setting where I have it sight in. On 5x I get good magnification and good enough FOV and the Half Mildots help with longer shots. When set on 5x the 6.4mm exit pupil is sufficient for most work... I do have Alot of other scopes to try, this for now being chosen for its light weight and half Mildots.
I'll post a pic later after I get a few things done.
NVak
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Beeman Raider 1331 .22
Svitvu 3-9x32mm HMD
Sniper Medium rings
Low Dove-Picrail
NVak
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Recently got my .22 Raider.
Did the valve hammer buffer mod (AKA BStaley) using a 3D printed buffer from TPU.
This is my current tune:
Pellet: CPHP 14.3 grains
Pressure: 3700PSI to 2400PSI
Velocity: 670-695 FPS
Shots: 60 (6 magazines)
It is almost regulated.
Some of my regulated airguns are giving me a wider spread.
It is also quite accurate at 50-60 yards, consistently hitting my 1.5" targets.
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Recently got my .22 Raider.
Did the valve hammer buffer mod (AKA BStaley) using a 3D printed buffer from TPU.
This is my current tune:
Pellet: CPHP 14.3 grains
Pressure: 3700PSI to 2400PSI
Velocity: 670-695 FPS
Shots: 60 (6 magazines)
It is almost regulated.
Some of my regulated airguns are giving me a wider spread.
It is also quite accurate at 50-60 yards, consistently hitting my 1.5" targets.
Did you print the buffer yourself?
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Recently got my .22 Raider.
Did the valve hammer buffer mod (AKA BStaley) using a 3D printed buffer from TPU.
This is my current tune:
Pellet: CPHP 14.3 grains
Pressure: 3700PSI to 2400PSI
Velocity: 670-695 FPS
Shots: 60 (6 magazines)
It is almost regulated.
Some of my regulated airguns are giving me a wider spread.
It is also quite accurate at 50-60 yards, consistently hitting my 1.5" targets.
Did you print the buffer yourself?
I started with o'rings but I did not have o'rings that were the dimensions I needed.
Then I decided to print the buffers myself.
They are printed from TPU, flexible material almost like rubber.
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naptemp if you dont mind me asking what are the dimensions of the o rings you are printing ?
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naptemp if you dont mind me asking what are the dimensions of the o rings you are printing ?
The buffer is a cylinder printed from TPU.
For the .22 Raider the buffer dimensions measured with calipers are:
OD: 22
Height: 2.6mm
The OD is the same as the inner diameter of the air tube.
The height is the most important factor.
A change of 0.1mm can change velocity by 30+ FPS.
The hammer spring is screwed in to the max.
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naptemp thank you for the info. I will look to find an o ring of that spec. I have several different springs I am working on to see if anything will help.
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I just tried a 2.5mm height buffer.
The peak velocity increased about 15-20 FPS.
I still get about 60 shots, from 3900-4000 PSI to 2500-2600PSI.
The spread is under 30FPS.
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Jtlyk,
The QuickShot Side Lever Aluminum Breech is available on E-b@Y. They were OOS for awhile. I have one that I will soon be installing.
It has been awhile since I shot an airgun. Temperatures as low as -11°F and now that it is above 32°F there is the wind which is abit too much to be shooting now. Hoping for a low wind day while the warm WX is around.
NVak
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3.5.25
Ok. After installing the two O-rings for the BStaley Mod on a Beeman Air Pistol and filling to 2600 PSI and the HS turned Way up I was getting not enough air to launch a pellet.
So I disassembled the AG and removed the two O- rings and compressed the Hammer Spring by inserting the spring into a screwdriver and with pliers I held the spring closed for around a minute. The spring is now around a centimeter shorter than before.
Reassemble and testing I had to turn up the Spring adjustment to +11 for it to fire. Before shortening the spring it was good around +4 turns in.
So instead of BStaley-ing the Raider I'm thinking I will be compressing the Hammer Spring to shorten its overall length, maybe maybe not. I'll have to fully test how the pistol is after having the HS shortened by compression.
With spring coming soon I'll be installing the Side Lever Aluminum Breech on the Raider.
NVak