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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: Tallbald on March 26, 2021, 11:12:47 AM
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Around 1979, when I'd started commuting to college from our farm each week, I purchased on a whim at "S-Mart" (a small chain discount store) a 1377 Crosman pistol for $35. It came in a styrofoam nest inside a box and I bought it more as a play toy than anything else. Please recall though that this was in the days of 88 cent boxes of Winchester Wildcat .22 High Speed Hollow Point ammo, and my family owned a 300 acre farm with 65 acres of woods. An air pistol had a hard time competing with cheap .22 LR in any number of guns I could shoot right outside our front door.
Anyway, today's 1377 looks different somewhat from how I recall mine back then. Mine had a round formed steel sleeve that twisted and slid to open or close the breech. The sights were plastic with a metal blade I think. The sleeve never did seem really secure during the life of the pistol, but it worked and I had much cheap fun shooting walnuts from the tree in our yard. I don't remember if the breech was plastic or steel either. At any rate the gun got sold for $35 in the mid 80's at a yard sale after moving to town.
Fast forward to today's 1377 and I see the gun now has a bolt. I like that a lot. I don't care for the plastic breech today though, and I see that Crosman, in a clever marketing move, sells a replacement steel breech.
So. To those with a new 1377 or 1322, why did you pick the caliber that you picked? For killing squirrels I'd grab any number of other air guns I have. But accuracy counts with me a lot and I wonder if one caliber is a winner in that accuracy department in this pistol?
I'd like to buy another specimen of this pistol for "old times sake and downright fun", but remember back then wishing I'd bought the .22 caliber. Suggestions please maybe helping me decide? Hard to beat a $55 pistol for inexpensive fun either caliber.
Also. Is the steel breech a "must have" upgrade? Any other tweaks to this classic American pumper pistol to consider please?
Thanks for offering food for thought.
Don
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.177 might be a bit faster, with flatter trajectory , but .22 has a lot more wallop when it hits.
I have an earlier 1377 Rear Cocker that had the breech you describe, but it now wears a Baker Airguns Aluminum breech. So although still a rear cocker it has a bolt, and dovetail grooves for my pistol scope.
(http://i.imgur.com/DsOfOXq.jpg) (https://imgur.com/DsOfOXq)
Welcome to the Rabbit hole! LOL
jmho!
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Beautiful rig! I love the "corncob" fore end and smooth grips. Were I to buy a 1377/22 I'd be crafting new grips and fore end for mine too.
May I ask how the steel or aluminum aftermarket breech is affixed to the gun? Drilled and tapped holes? I wonder if aperture sights could be affixed to the 1377/22?
Any other popular tweaks to this gun? I'm not as worried about working on a $55 gun as I would be on my $400 Diana 460 magnum .22. I just don't have the skill set yet.
Thank you. Don
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Beautiful rig! I love the "corncob" fore end and smooth grips. Were I to buy a 1377/22 I'd be crafting new grips and fore end for mine too.
May I ask how the steel or aluminum aftermarket breech is affixed to the gun? Drilled and tapped holes? I wonder if aperture sights could be affixed to the 1377/22?
Any other popular tweaks to this gun? I'm not as worried about working on a $55 gun as I would be on my $400 Diana 460 magnum .22. I just don't have the skill set yet.
Thank you. Don
Those same two screws that hold the old breech on; the long one through the rear sight and the tiny one in the breech, under the probe.
No drilling/tapping necessary.
Original plastic rear sight, had to sandpaper a bit to fit the notch, but you can find metal after market sights for the metal breech's.
This is where "Following Alice down the Rabbit Hole" begins. These, along with 1322 and 2240's are "Lego guns"
Many, many, aftermarket parts And dealers out there, and a lot of parts are interchangeable between guns.
You can mod the heck out of these, and put hundreds $ into them!! lol
Plenty of people on this forum to guide you!
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I found the stock 1322 to shoot a little too slow for me (around 455fps) at 8 pumps with 14.3g pellet. A steel breech & flattop custom valve and piston, properly adjusted, brought it up around 500fps. To get more than that you need a longer barrel and more pumps. For me 600fps took about 12 pumps and 18" barrel with shoulder stock.
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Good information to know. So. Steel breech or aluminum breech and if it's OK to ask why which choice?
Trigger shoe?
Still undecided here though between .177 and .22. I keep both on hand.
Thanks as always. Don.
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The aluminum breech accepts the plastic stock sight and of course is lighter weight. The heaver steel one is dovetailed for the LPA metal sight that is more substantial and adjustable but cost about $40 from Crosman. I like the steel with LPA open sights and the aluminum with a scope. Both function great over the plastic one.
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I'm sorry. I don't know the abbreviation LPA. And I saw the $40 price tag for steel. Wonder if there's a better price elsewhere or by an aftermarket manufacturer? Guess that's an OK question here. $40 is only $5 short of the pistol cost one place I saw.
Thank you. Don
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Here's an LPA...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Williams-LPA-MIM-REAR-SIGHT-For-Crosman-w-Steel-Breech-2240-1322-1377/291332319404?hash=item43d4c268ac:g:1WQAAOxyXWdQ8nr3 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Williams-LPA-MIM-REAR-SIGHT-For-Crosman-w-Steel-Breech-2240-1322-1377/291332319404?hash=item43d4c268ac:g:1WQAAOxyXWdQ8nr3)
a bit pricey...... :o
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I can't do all that pumping and mashing fingers again.
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i have one of each and love them both. either caliber will do a good pesting job with the right weight grain of pellet and enough pumps. the truth is that between the two calibers... i have a hard time choosing, so i just take turns with them, lol. i dont know anything about the aluminum breech but i went with the long steel breech on both. i use large scopes, so steel makes sense for me. yes, in my opinion... getting rid of the cheap plastic breech is a must do upgrade.
these were my first re-entry guns into this hobby. after reading reviews, posts, and watching videos... they seemed to be loved by all. accuracy, an easy learning curve to work on, accuracy, and a ton of available upgrade options... this list goes on and on. ;D
you can invest a small fortune in upgrading these guns, they are fun to work on, and it is addictive, so be warned, lol ;). mine are upgraded to hilt, but as long as you know what it is you want your choice to achieve... you "should" be ok, lol. these guns dont need a bunch of upgrades to be fun. ;D
i got mine for pesting. pumpers give me the option to just give them a little sting, or take them out completely if i have to, and either one of these will do that but the .22 definitely packs a better punch at higher pumps.
the Crosman custom shop is down right now, shame too, but if you plan to do some basic upgrades like the steel breech, stock, barrel, ect... they are the cheapest way to go and you can get the main upgrades for the fraction of the cost of going aftermarket. ;)
here is my 1377
(https://i.imgur.com/uNIbXeW.jpg)
and my 1322
(https://i.imgur.com/JHhG0nh.jpg)
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i have one of each and love them both. either caliber will do a good pesting job with the right weight grain of pellet and enough pumps. the truth is that between the two calibers... i have a hard time choosing, so i just take turns with them, lol. i dont know anything about the aluminum breech but i went with the long steel breech on both. i use large scopes, so steel makes sense for me. yes, in my opinion... getting rid of the cheap plastic breech is a must do upgrade.
these were my first re-entry guns into this hobby. after reading reviews, posts, and watching videos... they seemed to be loved by all. accuracy, an easy learning curve to work on, accuracy, and a ton of available upgrade options... this list goes on and on. ;D
you can invest a small fortune in upgrading these guns, they are fun to work on, and it is addictive, so be warned, lol ;). mine are upgraded to hilt, but as long as you know what it is you want your choice to achieve... you "should" be ok, lol. these guns dont need a bunch of upgrades to be fun. ;D
i got mine for pesting. pumpers give me the option to just give them a little sting, or take them out completely if i have to, and either one of these will do that but the .22 definitely packs a better punch at higher pumps.
the Crosman custom shop is down right now, shame too, but if you plan to do some basic upgrades like the steel breech, stock, barrel, ect... they are the cheapest way to go and you can get the main upgrades for the fraction of the cost of going aftermarket. ;)
here is my 1377
(https://i.imgur.com/uNIbXeW.jpg)
and my 1322
(https://i.imgur.com/JHhG0nh.jpg)
I like that pump handle on your 1322...I have one coming!
My 1322..
(http://i.imgur.com/JyNZHfi.jpg) (https://imgur.com/JyNZHfi)
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I like that pump handle on your 1322...I have one coming!
My 1322..
(http://i.imgur.com/JyNZHfi.jpg) (https://imgur.com/JyNZHfi)
they are awesome Wendell! now if they would just make them in Realtree camo pattern, lol... wishful thinking, hahaha. ;D
i really like that camo LDC on yours... very nice 8)! where did you get it?
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That is an aluminum pipe covered in Duck tape from Walmart
Inside is a 1/2x20 thread adapter and two Disco baffles (NP214-001) cut and glued together, to keep it quiet.
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:o ???
Yup Rabbit Hole. . .
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7055)
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That is an aluminum pipe covered in Duck tape from Walmart
Inside is a 1/2x20 thread adapter and two Disco baffles (NP214-001) cut and glued together, to keep it quiet.
I never would have guessed... nicely done! ;D
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This is going to be fun....
Thank you all. Don (The Man Trying To Sidestep The Rabbit Hole)
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This is going to be fun....
Thank you all. Don (The Man Trying To Sidestep The Rabbit Hole)
Pfft....too late ;D ;D ;D
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:o ???
Yup Rabbit Hole. . .
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7055)
Where did you get that stock????? :o :o :o
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:o ???
Yup Rabbit Hole. . .
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7055)
Saw a video, and found the best price here. https://www.evike.com/products/26895/ (https://www.evike.com/products/26895/)
https://youtu.be/9NZrfoASk5w (https://youtu.be/9NZrfoASk5w)
Where did you get that stock????? :o :o :o
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My impression is that the 1322 is a bit more efficient on its air usage ?
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That is an aluminum pipe covered in Duck tape from Walmart
Inside is a 1/2x20 thread adapter and two Disco baffles (NP214-001) cut and glued together, to keep it quiet.
I never would have guessed... nicely done! ;D
Thanks ;D
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I have both a 1377 and a 1322, and my observations are:
- Operationally, firing the gun, there is no functional difference between the plastic and steel, all the action happens inside the barrel after all.
- Steel differences: has a dovetail, easier to mount optics. Has set screws for the barrel, not terribly important with the stock barrel-end/front sight on it, but a necessity if you go to a longer barrel. Much heavier.
- Plastic particulars: stock rear sight fits without modification. (you can notch the rear bottom of the stock sight block to fit the steel breech, it's plastic, just some idle filing/sanding while watching youtube or something). Much Lighter. There are oodles of commercial, and if you have a 3D printer, printable, alternatives for mounting optics these days. I've used a couple that worked fine for the purpose.
- The 1377 gets about 80-100fps advantage due to it's lighter pellets, so a bit flatter trajectory.
- The 1322 loses the speed advantage, but delivers 30-50% more energy on target with the heavier pellets.
Personally, I'd pick the 1377 for targets, the 1322 if I wanted to whack a rodent.
Be careful though, these are dangerous for anyone prone to tinkering, it's easy to "one more little change" yourself into a $60 gun with $350 of modifications. :D
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Hmmm. The 1322 is "sold out" while as of yesterday the 1377 was available.
Begs the question.... "Is there a law stating that I may only have one or the other?". At $45 each, a 1377 could be had NOW, and a 1322 waited on until available. Is there an "Airgun Acquisition Practicality and Gluttony Specialist Lawyer" familiar with the unwritten law?
The thlot plickens.
Seriously though. Watching a review video last night I see that (and now remember) that mine in 1979 had a ringed knob that had to be cocked after pumping before each shot could be taken. The newer versions do not. is this a pus or a minus and why the change?
Don
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Exactly WHY I like the Rear Cocker!
You can load a pellet, pump it to 10 pumps, and its not going to go off until you cock it by pulling on that cocking knob, and then pulling the trigger.
And as far as a "metal breech",... those set screws keep the wiggle out of the barrel. With a plastic breech, the only thing to keep the barrel from turning is the transfer port. That little tiny screw holds the plastic breech in place. The front sight on the end of the barrel has nothing to keep the barrel from turning. If you were to get the 459 barrel scope mounts (they clamp on the barrel, but don't sit on the pump tube) and mount a scope to the plastic breech gun, it would wiggle. Metal breech with barrel set screws eliminate the wiggle.
New alternative,... if you want to keep the plastic breech, and mount a scope... BuckRail.com makes barrel mounts that mount to the barrel, but sit on the pump tube.
With either of these barrel mounts for a plastic breech, consider where your scope is going to sit on the gun, as far as pistol vs carbine, and eye relief.
this is jmho!
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Ahh. I see the plus side of the cocker. That's how my old Crosman H9A .22 works.
Oh. Problem solved. I tried to resist the pull. Grabbed my right hand with my left, rolled on the floor fighting with all my might to restrain my right index finger. Right index finger screamed out for me to let it go or it would never help me clear the inside of my right nostril again. The threats fell on deaf ears and I struggled on, fighting with my wayward digit but losing in the end. Sensing and with lightening speed taking advantage of a distracted moment, my right index finger leapt forward and hit the "Place Order" button on the Amazon page...
The P1377 should arrive tomorrow...
Don
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Ahh. I see the plus side of the cocker. That's how my old Crosman H9A .22 works.
Oh. Problem solved. I tried to resist the pull. Grabbed my right hand with my left, rolled on the floor fighting with all my might to restrain my right index finger. Right index finger screamed out for me to let it go or it would never help me clear the inside of my right nostril again. The threats fell on deaf ears and I struggled on, fighting with my wayward digit but losing in the end. Sensing and with lightening speed taking advantage of a distracted moment, my right index finger leapt forward and hit the "Place Order" button on the Amazon page...
The P1377 should arrive tomorrow...
Don
HaHaHa!
As an added note, you only have to change out the barrel and bolt probe to go back and forth between .177 and .22! ;D ;D
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.22 in Stock at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TEACIIO/ref=twister_dp_update?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TEACIIO/ref=twister_dp_update?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1)
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Wepster thank you. I did see that but truthfully, it sort of annoys me to pay the Amazon price when Walmart sells them for $45. I'm on a list to be notified when they are back in stock. For whatever reason, the P1377 was within $2 of the Walmart price though. I know, I know. I'm a cheapskate. But $18 or so dollars goes a long way toward a metal breech for one. And tomorrow I should have the P1377 by the end of the day.
I've had to sort of put my wish for an HW77 on my back burner folks. A man in my position must weigh the costs of things. I can dream and perhaps one day spring ( Har har harI made a funny--- the HW is a springer) for such a premier rifle but I can enjoy what I have and can afford now..... now!
Thanks al. Don
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Wepster thank you. I did see that but truthfully, it sort of annoys me to pay the Amazon price when Walmart sells them for $45. I'm on a list to be notified when they are back in stock. For whatever reason, the P1377 was within $2 of the Walmart price though. I know, I know. I'm a cheapskate. But $18 or so dollars goes a long way toward a metal breech for one. And tomorrow I should have the P1377 by the end of the day.
I've had to sort of put my wish for an HW77 on my back burner folks. A man in my position must weigh the costs of things. I can dream and perhaps one day spring ( Har har harI made a funny--- the HW is a springer) for such a premier rifle but I can enjoy what I have and can afford now..... now!
Thanks al. Don
Big 5 normally sells 13xx pistols.
Forgot the price though, lol!
I never did sum up what I have spent on my 13xx with Vernon Austin furniture (grips, forearm, and custom butt pad) , stainless Don Cothran breech and trigger, LW barrel, etc..
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Still though relatively inexpensive fun. In my case, I must consider (and I am in NO WAY condemning the pride in and ability to afford anything---just comparing myself to others in my circle of friends) that some men and women spend many thousands on travel. Or huge motor homes. Or $100K bass boats. Or $40K motorcycles. I on the other hand spend $50 on an air pistol and add in maybe another $50 in accessories. Or as I did the other day, spend $125 on a chronograph to check velocities. My friends have their fun and my beloved wife and I have ours. All within our individual income levels as we pursue novelty and entertainment.
Ahh. Now to find the best price on a metal breech. And search my hardwood stash or wood for a stock, new grips and fore end for this 1377.
Don
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I have no need for the high priced. Fixed income...needs before wants.
I get enjoyment out of shooting/tinkering on what I have.
Over time, I may have some coin in them.
I also hunt yard sales, for fixer uppers. ;D ;D
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Still though relatively inexpensive fun. In my case, I must consider (and I am in NO WAY condemning the pride in and ability to afford anything---just comparing myself to others in my circle of friends) that some men and women spend many thousands on travel. Or huge motor homes. Or $100K bass boats. Or $40K motorcycles. I on the other hand spend $50 on an air pistol and add in maybe another $50 in accessories. Or as I did the other day, spend $125 on a chronograph to check velocities. My friends have their fun and my beloved wife and I have ours. All within our individual income levels as we pursue novelty and entertainment.
Ahh. Now to find the best price on a metal breech. And search my hardwood stash or wood for a stock, new grips and fore end for this 1377.
Don
i am also on the Walmart list. i have my doubts when they get them in stock they will be at that price. put the Amazon one's url in Camel Camel Camel with your target price, i think they have been under 50 on Amazon, watch the bargin gate too.
You are going to make your own stock, wonderful. Please document your progress, I would like to follow as I am sure others would also.
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I too am fixed income . But I'm genuinely tickled for riends and acquaintances that have the means and desire to have expensive things. I enjoy their smiles and excitement at having their wishes met. And the things they buy are wonderful, beautiful and also exciting to me. But I thoroughly enjoy my modest things. A child of the recession 70's where both parents lost their jobs, and we nearly lost our home, I prefer to live as I do. Economically and fully!
Looking really forward to this little 1377 arriving tomorrow. Don
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Not sure what camel camel camel is or the Amazon bargain gate. Please share with me? I appreciate money saving.
I'll show what I come up with for a stock. Maybe an improved version of the stock I crafted for my H9A. I don't know if some here saw that on another thread. I'd like a "quick detach" stock this time, instead of requiring grip removal to remove. But it is very rugged as designed. Don
(https://i.imgur.com/QiwSne1l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bYzHTcsl.jpg)
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Not sure what camel camel camel is or the Amazon bargain gate. Please share with me? I appreciate money saving.
I'll show what I come up with for a stock. Maybe an improved version of the stock I crafted for my H9A. I don't know if some here saw that on another thread. I'd like a "quick detach" stock this time, instead of requiring grip removal to remove. But it is very rugged as designed. Don
(https://i.imgur.com/QiwSne1l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bYzHTcsl.jpg)
NICE!
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Wow! That is a nice stock adapter, very nice. Good job on that. 8)
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It is a website that will track amazon items' price. I would find any listing for that item and start a watch on each item.
https://camelcamelcamel.com/
I mentioned the barging gate here on GTA.
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It is hard to go wrong with a 13XX
I like them for everyday plinking, but they can do much more!
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Not sure what camel camel camel is or the Amazon bargain gate. Please share with me? I appreciate money saving.
I'll show what I come up with for a stock. Maybe an improved version of the stock I crafted for my H9A. I don't know if some here saw that on another thread. I'd like a "quick detach" stock this time, instead of requiring grip removal to remove. But it is very rugged as designed. Don
(https://i.imgur.com/QiwSne1l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bYzHTcsl.jpg)
Very Nice!
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Thank you. I made this actually about 20 years ago. Looking at another thread here about shoulder stocked factory H9A's, I see that Sheridan at one time made a wire skeleton factory stock for a paintball marker(?) gun they offered. It too used the sandwiching plates beneath grips method which I did not know about back then. I chose the sandwiching plate approach because the frame is rather soft non-ferrous alloy and in my experience would not be strong enough for simply using a screw set exclusively to attach the stock to the grip frame. Just my opinion I admit but based on years in metalwork.
I'm out of walnut but will use black cherry for the next stock, grip, and fore end pump. It's just what I have on hand.
The next version, with the 1377 and hopefully a 1322 will likely use the same approach to attach the stock, but the wood stock should be detachable with a thumbscrew or two. That way a small wood case could house the gun and stock, with a pellet selection included.
Thank you again. Don.
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It happens! I have come up with things on my own, thinking "hey this is a good idea", then seeing people have been doing it that way all along.
I like the idea of making the insert under the grips.
Been trying to figure out something for a crosman mark 1 stock... This method may work.
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As to the steel and aluminum aftermarket breech replacements: I searched and find that all run between $35 and $60 dollars. pretty much the price range then or am I missing a dealer or product?
Thank you all as always. Don
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As to the steel and aluminum aftermarket breech replacements: I searched and find that all run between $35 and $60 dollars. pretty much the price range then or am I missing a dealer or product?
Thank you all as always. Don
Crosman at $34.99 is the cheapest but you will pay shipping. If you can find it somewhere at that price with free shipping... that would be the way to go. ;)
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So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:
1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?
The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don
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As to the steel and aluminum aftermarket breech replacements: I searched and find that all run between $35 and $60 dollars. pretty much the price range then or am I missing a dealer or product?
Thank you all as always. Don
Nope, that's what they go for. "Upgrading" the breech and adding a shoulder stock doubles the investment into the gun. Whether it doubles the value is up to you.
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The stocks are just under $12 from Crosman, but because of the size you can't get the flat $4 shipping.
I ordered a stock, improved 1322 front sight base, and two sets of the QD stock detents/springs and the total with tax and shipping was $32
Stocks and steel breaches are all I really do to mine other than trigger work.
I like cheap fun, so I tend to buy multiple lower cost items instead of one high dollar gun.
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So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:
1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?
The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don
Yes, the metal breech would be the first one I would recommend ;). As far as modding the internals... give it some thought and do some research beforehand. There are plenty of videos on YouTube doing breakdown and reassembly and Crosman has links to the EVP that you can download and study. The internals are really straight forward and easy to work on but it can be a little overwhelming the first time you tear one down. Plenty of folks here with years of experience to help as well. ;)
These guns are fun just the way they are. Modding is a choice, and it's fun, but spend some time having fun while you figure out what you need it to do, then make your choices based on what you decide you need. ;)
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I want to take another moment here to say thank you all for your time adding to the conversations I've either started or participated in throughout the forum. I've learned so very much. This forum is a treasure trove for old and new alike in our sport. Please don't think for a moment that I take for granted the effort expended by members to share with others the things they've learned.
All my best to each and every member here. At some point in time I hope to be able to contribute in a meaningful way to the furthering of the goals of the forum.
Don
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Note here. Got notified about %:00 PM today that my 1377 would not be here until tomorrow or even that next ay. Don't know what happened. So it goes....
Don
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Just throwing this out there but the wooden furniture for the legos sell for a good price and if you have the ability and enjoy doing it , that could be a way to offset the cost of some of the parts for your build. I looked all over for a wooden stock recently and couldn't find anything reasonably priced so i had to settle for the crosman stock.
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Just throwing this out there but the wooden furniture for the legos sell for a good price and if you have the ability and enjoy doing it , that could be a way to offset the cost of some of the parts for your build. I looked all over for a wooden stock recently and couldn't find anything reasonably priced so i had to settle for the crosman stock.
Great idea! I believe a lot of us would be interested! I would be watching the member and hobbyist classified gate for them.
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I like cheap fun, so I tend to buy multiple lower cost items instead of one high dollar gun.
That is me to a tee. Dave
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Just throwing this out there but the wooden furniture for the legos sell for a good price and if you have the ability and enjoy doing it , that could be a way to offset the cost of some of the parts for your build. I looked all over for a wooden stock recently and couldn't find anything reasonably priced so i had to settle for the crosman stock.
yeah, the wood stocks and fatty forearms are very nice. not cheap, but very nice. sadly, after the pandemic started the market dried up and they became impossible to find. the two places i use to find them in abundance (Alliance Hobby and Alchemy Airwerks) just dont have them anymore and no telling when or if, they ever will again?
the plastic stocks are very good though, and if you own a CCS gun, you have access to buying the different RealTree camo stock sets that are not only inexpensive, but extremely well made. the truth is, that once i got my 2400KT with one... i ordered the one for the 1377 and switched out the wood set for it... it is awesome! ;D
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I had a bad experience with Alliance Hobby. I don't think I will ever go back. I heard lots of good things, but it is what it is.
I ended up buying from an EB seller, and the grips worked out great. I bought a bunch of odds and ends forearms and butt stocks. I ended up making the forearm for my 1377 out of one of them.
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If you want the best furniture go for Vernon Austin or Steve Corcoran.
They are not cheap though.
Have a couple of VA laminates, and they are superbly crafted.
I am still waiting for another 3 from him.
It’s been a while, but they are worth the wait.
I have seen some that look cheap and hideous I could never understand why people praise them ::)
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TB sir, I was not referring to your DIY stock.
I actually like it, and it looks at home paired with your old school pistol.
Not a big fan of those unstained ones being sold by some vendors, as they look very rough with lots of splinters.
The inletting also looks crappy.
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TB sir, I was not referring to your DIY stock.
I actually like it, and it looks at home paired with your old school pistol.
Not a big fan of those unstained ones being sold by some vendors, as they look very rough with lots of splinters.
The inletting also looks crappy.
the few that i got that resembled the 1399 (but full wood) were machined very precisely and smooth. perfect fit actually. I probably got lucky? i did my own fine finishing before staining and clear coating. it was the cost that got me with them. in retrospect... i am glad they got hard to find. it forced me to take a better look at the 1399 and other available composite Crosman stocks once i had a CCS gun, and oddly... i prefer them over the wood. the Realtree versions in the CCS are fantastic and at $28.10 for the set... unbeatable price as well. the one that i picked for my 2400KT is just to die for, lol. i never thought i would see the day where i preferred plastic over wood, lol.
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Not sure what camel camel camel is or the Amazon bargain gate. Please share with me? I appreciate money saving.
I'll show what I come up with for a stock. Maybe an improved version of the stock I crafted for my H9A. I don't know if some here saw that on another thread. I'd like a "quick detach" stock this time, instead of requiring grip removal to remove. But it is very rugged as designed. Don
(https://i.imgur.com/QiwSne1l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bYzHTcsl.jpg)
your craftsmanship on that set is incredible! beautiful!!! stick with your own if you can make them that nice! ;D
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Thank you for the kind words on my craftsmanship. As I shared elsewhere here yes I'm a retired RN, but also a Journeyman Toolmaker. Thus the design and metalwork experience. Used to make repro antique furniture, which gave me experience in hand inletting, joint construction and such which is to me a labor of love. In making the C9A stock I was going for the early P08 Luger pistol stock flavor, with the flat appearance of utilitarian function. It's unfortunate that there's no stock lug on the C9A or 1377 as had many early semi-auto pistols in the 20th century. Shoulder stocks on pistols are "bad and scary" according to the 1934 National Firearms Act.
The frame of both my C9A and my new 1377 are cast of a non-ferrous alloy, which to me precludes drilling and tapping for a stock attached at the heel of the frame. I hope to use a through bolt to hold the grip panels to the 1377 frame and not depend exclusively on the two factory grip panel screws to secure the stock.
Thank you again. I've learned so very much from every response that folks have kindly taken time to post.
Don
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I had told Spooner earlier I had the Maverick pump handle coming....
here it is.... makes pumping a lot nicer!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZftSbPt.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZftSbPt)
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I did an almost similar mod to my 13xx forearm using a Tactical Innovations 10/22 rail:
(https://i.imgur.com/QdEWt7c.jpg?4)
(https://i.imgur.com/3PMOIU2.jpg?3)
(https://i.imgur.com/YD4wrFF.jpg?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/vZFirju.jpg?7)
(https://i.imgur.com/3WVMndF.jpg?2)
You could install Pica rail covers to make it more comfy when pumping.
Eventually, I got rid of the plastic parts and settled for a Vernon Austin laminate set.
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I had told Spooner earlier I had the Maverick pump handle coming....
here it is.... makes pumping a lot nicer!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZftSbPt.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZftSbPt)
they are very nice arent they? 8)
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I did an almost similar mod to my 13xx forearm using a Tactical Innovations 10/22 rail:
(https://i.imgur.com/QdEWt7c.jpg?4)
(https://i.imgur.com/3PMOIU2.jpg?3)
(https://i.imgur.com/YD4wrFF.jpg?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/vZFirju.jpg?7)
(https://i.imgur.com/3WVMndF.jpg?2)
You could install Pica rail covers to make it more comfy when pumping.
Eventually, I got rid of the plastic parts and settled for a Vernon Austin laminate set.
All of your stuff is drool worthy! LOL Art that functions. ;D
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I had told Spooner earlier I had the Maverick pump handle coming....
here it is.... makes pumping a lot nicer!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZftSbPt.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZftSbPt)
they are very nice arent they? 8)
Yes and quite a difference pumping! Much easier!
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I got my 1377 .177 cal to use as a backyard Starling eliminator. Put on a picatinny rail and mounted a Hammer x2 power scope. It is very accurate and even more so since I now use a Caldwell "Pistolero" handgun rest. I like to sit out on the back porch with my morning coffee and guard my bird feeders.
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/155553.jpg)
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/158216.jpg)
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/158217.jpg)
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http://buck-rail.com/ (http://buck-rail.com/)
This small shop sells very inexpensive things for mounting scopes and such without breaking the bank. $12 with free shipping gets you a mounting platform that attaches to the barrel for instance.
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Thanks for theheads up. I just ordered the silencer for my Crosman 1377
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:o ???
Yup Rabbit Hole. . .
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7055)
Saw a video, and found the best price here.
Where did you get that stock????? :o :o :o
That is a very nice stock but considering I'm all thumbs not mechanically inclined, I will stick to the Crosman stock offerings unless you folks can recommend something better. As far as customizing the 1377/22. I found this already customized one at the mac 1 site.
After all was said and done, the thing came nigh on to $400 :o So I'll have to think long and hard about this one. At this price point I could darn near get a Marauder pistol but then again, that is not what we're discussing here.
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You gentlemen are a bad influence ( and I thank you for it)! Here I am, minding my own, reading a thread here and there, happy with my Benji Prowler....then I stumble on this thread! I already clicked on the "alert when in stock" button at Walmart, ordering the Maverick fore-grip and looking for a 14.5 inch barrel on e-bay. Buck-rail got my attention too with the rails and other kits. I am getting the steel breach and the pass thru barrel band from Maverick also. It seems this $45 pellet gun will end up around $150....but it will be one heck of a lot of fun!
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If you buy it on Friday from Crosman direct, using the code you get it free shipping 20 percent off and steel breach and engraved.
So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:
1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?
The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don
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If you buy it on Friday from Crosman direct, using the code you get it free shipping 20 percent off and steel breach and engraved.
So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:
1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?
The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don
You are talking about a Crosman Custom Shop gun, which is not available currently.
The discount is still on, but there is no more FREE SHIPPING.
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The 13XX platform is impressive. I have three, none really modded. One is stock with painted sights, One with 14.5" barrel and the last has some trigger work done. The first one was bought as a kit with shoulder stock, used as a carbine on occasion with the barrel mount scope bases.
My brother has a 1322 Medalist rearcocker with box. Needs a reseal, but he's opposed to using a new valve and internals. Don't know if he will get it shooting again.
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Oops
See what happens when I don't shop more. Sorry for the bad info.
If you buy it on Friday from Crosman direct, using the code you get it free shipping 20 percent off and steel breach and engraved.
So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:
1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?
The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don
You are talking about a Crosman Custom Shop gun, which is not available currently.
The discount is still on, but there is no more FREE SHIPPING.
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Oops
See what happens when I don't shop more. Sorry for the bad info.
If you buy it on Friday from Crosman direct, using the code you get it free shipping 20 percent off and steel breach and engraved.
So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:
1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?
The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don
You are talking about a Crosman Custom Shop gun, which is not available currently.
The discount is still on, but there is no more FREE SHIPPING.
Lol, Mr. Mark, but we are all guilty of that every now and then ;D
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With regard to the custom shop... I called and ordered a new Realtree 1377 stock for my new build. I asked her directly about placing custom shop orders on the phone for CCS guns. She told me there is a barrel shortage and is the reason for the shop being down. No word on when the shortage will be corrected, but that's the info she gave me. ;)
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With regard to the custom shop... I called and ordered a new Realtree 1377 stock for my new build. I asked her directly about placing custom shop orders on the phone for CCS guns. She told me there is a barrel shortage and is the reason for the shop being down. No word on when the shortage will be corrected, but that's the info she gave me. ;)
Yeah, I tried to order 2 more CCS trigger shoes, and I was told they were not available in all colors, lol!
Should have gotten two or three when I bought one along with other 17xx/PROD parts ;D
The trigger shoe looks very nice and feels stupendously comfortable on my Blue Fork trigger assemblies, which happen to have very slim trigger blades akin the the 22xx's/13xx's. trigger blades.
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I've never bought a 1377 or 1322 but I do have a Crosman 130 that I just took a few shots with, excellent trigger and very accurate pistol.
(https://i.imgur.com/v6BdVF1.png)
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I had a bit of time today so I checked three different Walmarts, no Crosman P1322, one of the people working there told me that walmart will no longer sell BB/pellet pistols, they'll sell rifles only. I tried ordering one on Amazon and I got a screen pop-up asking for my info - age and Driver's license number - I don't think I want that info posted online. Buying from Walmart is a no go since their new policy of no returns on "arms" so I'll just order one from pyramid. I'm not worried about the front sight being off (I saw several reviews mentioning that) since I already ordered a 14.5 barrel. I also ordered a steel breach kit, barrel band (for longer barrels), shoulder stock, red dot bundle .
Now gents, what else do I need to get to make this a stunning tack driver (new, younger eyes would be good but they're not available).
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.
Stay safe, stay healthy.
Cheers,
Ted
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Now gents, what else do I need to get to make this a stunning tack driver (new, younger eyes would be good but they're not available).
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.
Stay safe, stay healthy.
Cheers,
Ted
Some targets, tins of pellets, and a nice sunny warm day ;D. You have all the other bases covered. 8)
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A Lothar barrel will give the accuracy that you are seeking for.
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A Lothar barrel will give the accuracy that you are seeking for.
Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
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A Lothar barrel will give the accuracy that you are seeking for.
Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
If you happen to have a Crosman Custom Shop gun you could order LW barrel from them, particularly the 14”, which is very accurate.
That is how I got my extra one.
A 2300T also has a 10” LW barrel in .177—no need for a CCS gun on this one.
I have the part number somewhere and will post it later.
Alliance Hobby and Alchemywerks/Needfulthings also have them but more expensive.
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Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
The aftermarket sellers are going for around $99, so there is a little sticker shock to consider, but I always get mine from Alliance Hobby. He is a little slow at times with shipping, but he has all the barrel lengths in lothar walther, and does custom lengths if needed. Im not sure who else sells them, but sure others here can give you other seller options. ;)
Crosman CCS is the cheapest, if you have bought a CCS gun, but they have a barrel shortage so they are out until they get that resolved.
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Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
The aftermarket sellers are going for around $99, so there is a little sticker shock to consider, but I always get mine from Alliance Hobby. He is a little slow at times with shipping, but he has all the barrel lengths in lothar walther, and does custom lengths if needed. Im not sure who else sells them, but sure others here can give you other seller options. ;)
Crosman CCS is the cheapest, if you have bought a CCS gun, but they have a barrel shortage so they are out until they get that resolved.
Thank you for the reply. I was in fact looking at Alliance site (and drooling). I had picked the Lothar Upper Deck kit and the Flat Man's Pack but I'm not sure if I should go for the Flat Man's Pack yet? Are the barrel muzzles threaded for a future silencer/muzzle break?
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Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
The aftermarket sellers are going for around $99, so there is a little sticker shock to consider, but I always get mine from Alliance Hobby. He is a little slow at times with shipping, but he has all the barrel lengths in lothar walther, and does custom lengths if needed. Im not sure who else sells them, but sure others here can give you other seller options. ;)
Crosman CCS is the cheapest, if you have bought a CCS gun, but they have a barrel shortage so they are out until they get that resolved.
Thank you for the reply. I was in fact looking at Alliance site (and drooling). I had picked the Lothar Upper Deck kit and the Flat Man's Pack but I'm not sure if I should go for the Flat Man's Pack yet? Are the barrel muzzles threaded for a future silencer/muzzle break?
They are not threaded.
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Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
The aftermarket sellers are going for around $99, so there is a little sticker shock to consider, but I always get mine from Alliance Hobby. He is a little slow at times with shipping, but he has all the barrel lengths in lothar walther, and does custom lengths if needed. Im not sure who else sells them, but sure others here can give you other seller options. ;)
Crosman CCS is the cheapest, if you have bought a CCS gun, but they have a barrel shortage so they are out until they get that resolved.
Thank you for the reply. I was in fact looking at Alliance site (and drooling). I had picked the Lothar Upper Deck kit and the Flat Man's Pack but I'm not sure if I should go for the Flat Man's Pack yet? Are the barrel muzzles threaded for a future silencer/muzzle break?
as far as i know, the LDC and muzzle break options for this gun are all secured by Allen set screws, but i might be wrong about that? i have LDC's on all my 13xx guns as well as my 1077 and my 2400KT that are secured that way and they work perfectly. ;)
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Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
The aftermarket sellers are going for around $99, so there is a little sticker shock to consider, but I always get mine from Alliance Hobby. He is a little slow at times with shipping, but he has all the barrel lengths in lothar walther, and does custom lengths if needed. Im not sure who else sells them, but sure others here can give you other seller options. ;)
Crosman CCS is the cheapest, if you have bought a CCS gun, but they have a barrel shortage so they are out until they get that resolved.
Thank you for the reply. I was in fact looking at Alliance site (and drooling). I had picked the Lothar Upper Deck kit and the Flat Man's Pack but I'm not sure if I should go for the Flat Man's Pack yet? Are the barrel muzzles threaded for a future silencer/muzzle break?
as far as i know, the LDC and muzzle break options for this gun are all secured by Allen set screws, but i might be wrong about that? i have LDC's on all my 13xx guns as well as my 1077 and my 2400KT that are secured that way and they work perfectly. ;)
Thank you. That is good news since I was gonna ask them to thread the muzzle.
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Thank you. Any thoughts on a supplier/seller?
The aftermarket sellers are going for around $99, so there is a little sticker shock to consider, but I always get mine from Alliance Hobby. He is a little slow at times with shipping, but he has all the barrel lengths in lothar walther, and does custom lengths if needed. Im not sure who else sells them, but sure others here can give you other seller options. ;)
Crosman CCS is the cheapest, if you have bought a CCS gun, but they have a barrel shortage so they are out until they get that resolved.
Thank you for the reply. I was in fact looking at Alliance site (and drooling). I had picked the Lothar Upper Deck kit and the Flat Man's Pack but I'm not sure if I should go for the Flat Man's Pack yet? Are the barrel muzzles threaded for a future silencer/muzzle break?
as far as i know, the LDC and muzzle break options for this gun are all secured by Allen set screws, but i might be wrong about that? i have LDC's on all my 13xx guns as well as my 1077 and my 2400KT that are secured that way and they work perfectly. ;)
Thank you. That is good news since I was gonna ask them to thread the muzzle.
You are welcome. It's not necessary and will save you a few bucks on the purchase. ;)
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I received my P1322 today and I like it. Out of the "box"-actually clam shell- is pretty accurate. Pumping is not bad but I hear the noise of a compressing spring at the end of each pumping cycle, I wonder if that is normal. Still waiting for a few tidbits before I start making changes. Now I'm thinking a matching one in .177 would be nice....rabbit hole indeed!
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I added a Buck-Rail silencer kit ($25) and this thing is whisper quiet now. I consider myself a stealth Starling eliminator in my back yard.
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/159051.jpg)
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/158988.jpg)
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I added a Buck-Rail silencer kit ($25) and this thing is whisper quiet now. I consider myself a stealth Starling eliminator in my back yard.
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/159051.jpg)
(https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/158988.jpg)
That is very good to know, mine is arriving tomorrow (I hope).
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I have a question for the experienced folks here. I'm looking at Alliance Hobby site and I Can't decide between the Lothar Upper Deck kit- Cheaper by $100 than the Master Class Kit. Considering that I'm very new to air guns, which kit would you buy first?
Many thanks,
Ted
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I have never been enamored by flat top pistons and high power set ups for the 13xx.
For me, accuracy is what matters the most, so a precise barrel is top priority.
Have killed hundreds of rats with just 3-5 pumps ;D
Oh, my pumper needs to look good though, lol!
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I have never been enamored by flat top pistons and high power set ups for the 13xx.
For me, accuracy is what matters the most, so a precise barrel is top priority.
Have killed hundreds of rats with just 3-5 pumps ;D
Oh, my pumper needs to look good though, lol!
Good advice, thank you. I'll order the Lothar upper deck kit with the three screw breech mod and should I feel the need for more power, I can always order the "power" piston and such. As is, I have a few goodies coming today from Buck-Rail.
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Wise move, sir ;D
I have blue laminates coming to me from Mr. Corcoran for my next 13xx:
(https://i.imgur.com/uv9mJZa.jpg)
I like silver, so the metal parts (breech, tube, etc.) will be silver.
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Wise move, sir ;D
I have blue laminates coming to me from Mr. Corcoran for my next 13xx:
(https://i.imgur.com/uv9mJZa.jpg)
I like silver, so the metal parts (breech, tube, etc.) will be silver.
Very nice, indeed! Now I finally see I've stepped into a very deep hole...all the options :-X :'(
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I am very picky with my builds, and I do have very high standards, modesty aside:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95142.msg156138981#msg156138981 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95142.msg156138981#msg156138981)
#6 is a 13xx tube with a Gippeto offset-type AR buffer tube adapter:
(https://i.imgur.com/8yeox31.jpg?1)
The cost does not bother me for as long as I get what I want ;D
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I am very picky with my builds, and I do have very high standards, modesty aside:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95142.msg156138981#msg156138981 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95142.msg156138981#msg156138981)
#6 is a 13xx tube with a Gippeto offset-type AR buffer tube adapter:
(https://i.imgur.com/8yeox31.jpg?1)
The cost does not bother me for as long as I get what I want ;D
You, Sir, are a bad influence (and I thank you). I installed the Buck-rail LDC on my 1322 and it is whisper quiet now! I also installed the Red Dot bundle, this is starting to be a lot of fun. Waiting for the Lothar upper deck is going to drive me nuts!
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Got an e-mail from Alliance Hobby the other day, he is out of Lothar barrels :-[ It will take another couple of weeks before he receives now stock! Meanwhile, I'll order another 1322! BTW, Buck-rail is no hiatus until the beginning of May.....
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as far as i know, the LDC and muzzle break options for this gun are all secured by Allen set screws, but i might be wrong about that? i have LDC's on all my 13xx guns as well as my 1077 and my 2400KT that are secured that way and they work perfectly. ;)
You can get slip on threaded ends that mount like this, and then use any 1/2-20 threaded moderator you want. I did this with my 1322 so that I can share the same moderator between it and my Origin.