Thinking over a Crosman 1377 for old times sake. Or 1322?

[Tallbald]

Thank you. I made this actually about 20 years ago. Looking at another thread here about shoulder stocked factory H9A's, I see that Sheridan at one time made a wire skeleton factory stock for a paintball marker(?) gun they offered. It too used the sandwiching plates beneath grips method which I did not know about back then. I chose the sandwiching plate approach because the frame is rather soft non-ferrous alloy and in my experience would not be strong enough for simply using a screw set exclusively to attach the stock to the grip frame. Just my opinion I admit but based on years in metalwork.
 I'm out of walnut but will use black cherry for the next stock, grip, and fore end pump. It's just what I have on hand.
 The next version, with the 1377 and hopefully a 1322 will likely use the same approach to attach the stock, but the wood stock should be detachable with a thumbscrew or two. That way a small wood case could house the gun and stock, with a pellet selection included.
Thank you again. Don.

[Killercrow]

It happens! I have come up with things on my own, thinking "hey this is a good idea", then seeing people have been doing it that way all along.

I like the idea of making the insert under the grips.
Been trying to figure out something for a crosman mark 1 stock... This method may work.

[Tallbald]

As to the steel and aluminum aftermarket breech replacements: I searched and find that all run between $35 and $60 dollars. pretty much the price range then or am I missing a dealer or product?
Thank you all as always. Don

[Spooner]

As to the steel and aluminum aftermarket breech replacements: I searched and find that all run between $35 and $60 dollars. pretty much the price range then or am I missing a dealer or product?
Thank you all as always. Don

Crosman at $34.99 is the cheapest but you will pay shipping. If you can find it somewhere at that price with free shipping... that would be the way to go.   

[Tallbald]

So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:

1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?

 The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
 Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
 I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don

[TotallyTortoise]

As to the steel and aluminum aftermarket breech replacements: I searched and find that all run between $35 and $60 dollars. pretty much the price range then or am I missing a dealer or product?
Thank you all as always. Don

Nope, that's what they go for. "Upgrading" the breech and adding a shoulder stock doubles the investment into the gun. Whether it doubles the value is up to you.

[mike@nds]

The stocks are just under $12 from Crosman, but because of the size you can't get the flat $4 shipping.

I ordered a stock, improved 1322 front sight base, and two sets of the QD stock detents/springs and the total with tax and shipping was $32

Stocks and steel breaches are all I really do to mine other than trigger work.

I like cheap fun, so I tend to buy multiple lower cost items instead of one high dollar gun.

[Spooner]

So. Were I to want to choose one upgrade, I'm getting the feeling it should be the steel or aluminum breech because of:

1) The ability to mount an optic.
2) better securing of the rearward portion of the barrel thus preventing barrel rotation?
3) ?

 The above are pretty significant improvements I'll agree.
 Flat topping a pump cylinder for a scootch more pump volume and power (?) is a thing but not knowing the construction of the pump system I'm not clear. Perhaps that is something I could do on my metal lathe...
 I'll make my own stock, new grips and fore arm wood so there's that expense saved.
Thank you all as always.
Don

Yes, the metal breech would be the first one I would recommend  .  As far as modding the internals... give it some thought and do some research beforehand. There are plenty of videos on YouTube doing breakdown and reassembly and Crosman has links to the EVP that you can download and study. The internals are really straight forward and easy to work on but it can be a little overwhelming the first time you tear one down. Plenty of folks here with years of experience to help as well. 

These guns are fun just the way they are. Modding is a choice, and it's fun, but spend some time having fun while you figure out what you need it to do, then make your choices based on what you decide you need. 

[Tallbald]

I want to take another moment here to say thank you all for your time adding to the conversations I've either started or participated in throughout the forum. I've learned so very much. This forum is a treasure trove for old and new alike in our sport. Please don't think for a moment that I take for granted the effort expended by members to share with others the things they've learned.
 All my best to each and every member here. At some point in time I hope to be able to contribute in a meaningful way to the furthering of the goals of the forum.
Don

[Tallbald]

Note here. Got notified about %:00 PM today that my 1377 would not be here until tomorrow or even that next ay. Don't know what happened. So it goes....
Don

[SwampHunter]

Just throwing this out there but the wooden furniture for the legos sell for a good price and if you have the ability and enjoy doing it , that could be a way to offset the cost of some of the parts for your build. I looked all over for a wooden stock recently and couldn't find anything reasonably priced so i had to settle for the crosman stock.

[Wepster]

Just throwing this out there but the wooden furniture for the legos sell for a good price and if you have the ability and enjoy doing it , that could be a way to offset the cost of some of the parts for your build. I looked all over for a wooden stock recently and couldn't find anything reasonably priced so i had to settle for the crosman stock.

Great idea! I believe a lot of us would be interested! I would be watching the member and hobbyist classified gate for them.

[DRose]

I like cheap fun, so I tend to buy multiple lower cost items instead of one high dollar gun.

That is me to a tee. Dave

[Spooner]

Just throwing this out there but the wooden furniture for the legos sell for a good price and if you have the ability and enjoy doing it , that could be a way to offset the cost of some of the parts for your build. I looked all over for a wooden stock recently and couldn't find anything reasonably priced so i had to settle for the crosman stock.

yeah, the wood stocks and fatty forearms are very nice. not cheap, but very nice. sadly, after the pandemic started the market dried up and they became impossible to find. the two places i use to find them in abundance (Alliance Hobby and Alchemy Airwerks) just dont have them anymore and no telling when or if, they ever will again?

the plastic stocks are very good though, and if you own a CCS gun, you have access to buying the different RealTree camo stock sets that are not only inexpensive, but extremely well made. the truth is, that once i got my 2400KT with one... i ordered the one for the 1377 and switched out the wood set for it... it is awesome! 

[jmoronic]

I had a bad experience with Alliance Hobby. I don't think I will ever go back. I heard lots of good things, but it is what it is.
I ended up buying from an EB seller, and the grips worked out great. I bought a bunch of odds and ends forearms and butt stocks. I ended up making the forearm for my 1377 out of one of them.

[Rick67]

If you want the best furniture go for Vernon Austin or Steve Corcoran.

They are not cheap though.

Have a couple of VA laminates, and they are superbly crafted.

I am still waiting for another 3 from him.

It’s been a while, but they are worth the wait.

I have seen some that look cheap and hideous I could never understand why people praise them 

[Rick67]

TB sir, I was not referring to your DIY stock.

I actually like it, and it looks at home paired with your old school pistol.

Not a big fan of those unstained ones being sold by some vendors, as they look very rough with lots of splinters.

The inletting also looks crappy.

[Spooner]

TB sir, I was not referring to your DIY stock.

I actually like it, and it looks at home paired with your old school pistol.

Not a big fan of those unstained ones being sold by some vendors, as they look very rough with lots of splinters.

The inletting also looks crappy.

the few that i got that resembled the 1399 (but full wood) were machined very precisely and smooth. perfect fit actually. I probably got lucky? i did my own fine finishing before staining and clear coating. it was the cost that got me with them. in retrospect... i am glad they got hard to find. it forced me to take a better look at the 1399 and other available composite Crosman stocks once i had a CCS gun, and oddly... i prefer them over the wood. the Realtree versions in the CCS are fantastic and at $28.10 for the set... unbeatable price as well.  the one that i picked for my 2400KT is just to die for, lol. i never thought i would see the day where i preferred plastic over wood, lol.

[Spooner]

Not sure what camel camel camel is or the Amazon bargain gate. Please share with me? I appreciate money saving.
 I'll show what I come up with for a stock. Maybe an improved version of the stock I crafted for my H9A. I don't know if some here saw that on another thread. I'd like a "quick detach" stock this time, instead of requiring grip removal to remove. But it is very rugged as designed. Don

your craftsmanship on that set is incredible! beautiful!!! stick with your own if you can make them that nice! 

[Tallbald]

Thank you for the kind words on my craftsmanship. As I shared elsewhere here yes I'm a retired RN, but also a Journeyman Toolmaker. Thus the design and metalwork experience. Used to make repro antique furniture, which gave me experience in hand inletting, joint construction and such which is to me a labor of love. In making the C9A stock I was going for the early P08 Luger pistol stock flavor, with the flat appearance of utilitarian function. It's unfortunate that there's no stock lug on the C9A or 1377 as had many early semi-auto pistols in the 20th century. Shoulder stocks on pistols are "bad and scary" according to the 1934 National Firearms Act.
 The frame of both my C9A and my new 1377 are cast of a non-ferrous alloy, which to me precludes drilling and tapping for a stock attached at the heel of the frame. I hope to use a through bolt to hold the grip panels to the 1377 frame and not depend exclusively on the two factory grip panel screws to secure the stock.
Thank you again. I've learned so very much from every response that folks have kindly taken time to post.
Don