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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Spook24 on March 01, 2021, 11:17:46 PM
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Ok I have settled on getting a gen 2 fortitude as soon as I can find one in stock. I plan to get a 22 caliber as I will mostly just punch paper and squirrel hunt with it. Was going to get a marauder but decided the lighter weight fortitude would be better.
A couple of quick questions. I shot my buddies gen 1 fortitude and the trigger is really bad. I have read that the baker trigger won’t work on the gen 2. Will the gen 2 marauder trigger part 1763A105 work on the gen 2 fortitude?
Also will a discover Wood stock fit the gen 2 fortitude and if so anyone know of a place that sells them?
Finally any other upgrades or things you guys would recommend. I am used to shooting 22 bench rest rifles and love to tinker with them. But these pcp guns are new to me. I ordered a Chinese pump and think it will be fine for now. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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I have asked Baker what the issue is, but they didn't provide any more detail than "It won't work". I even discussed with John (crosman_engineer) and he confirmed there was no trigger change from G1 or the Disco. Maybe the lighter spring cause some issue with it?
The trigger in G2 is better, mainly from the softer hammer spring.
Yes, the challenger/mrod G1 trigger works with the G2 Fortitude. You will have to use the Challenger trigger guard or make your own.
The disco stock will work, along with any of Boyd's inletted for Disco. The crosman part number is 1761-103. Crosman is the best place to try, but you have to call and talk to customer service.
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If you are used to shooting .22 benchrest I suggest skipping the Baker trigger. Go directly to a Challenger trigger group. With the trigger guard it’s about $65 from Crosman. It’s a true match grade trigger. Requires minor stock mod to fit but simple to do.
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Given a chance to hit the "do over" button I would have to pass on the Fortitude.
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I have asked Baker what the issue is, but they didn't provide any more detail than "It won't work". I even discussed with John (crosman_engineer) and he confirmed there was no trigger change from G1 or the Disco. Maybe the lighter spring cause some issue with it?
The trigger in G2 is better, mainly from the softer hammer spring.
Yes, the challenger/mrod G1 trigger works with the G2 Fortitude. You will have to use the Challenger trigger guard or make your own.
The disco stock will work, along with any of Boyd's inletted for Disco. The crosman part number is 1761-103. Crosman is the best place to try, but you have to call and talk to customer service.
Do I want to order the trigger for the gen 1 or gen 2 marauder for a gen 2 fortitude?
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Given a chance to hit the "do over" button I would have to pass on the Fortitude.
What do you not like about the fortitude? I am looking for something light to carry and hunt with and to just plink with
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Do I want to order the trigger for the gen 1 or gen 2 marauder for a gen 2 fortitude?
You want the Gen 1 Mrod / Challenger trigger assy. You have the correct part number.
I would not pre-order any parts. Wait until you receive a Fortitude and like it before ordering.
The one thing I caution potential Fortitude owners on, is make sure the power level (16fpe) is to your satisfaction. Getting more out of it, is not easily accomplished.
While not regulated, also consider the Prod which has about the same power. It is light and short, and makes a great little carbine.
FWIW: There is not much difference between a Gen 1 and Gen 2 Fortitude. The G2 has a softer hammer spring and an adjuster. The G2 has a specific reg vent hole and other tube changes to make assembly easier with less chance of leaks. A few other minor differences.
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Ok. When I Google that part number it comes up as a gen 2 marauder trigger. So I need to find a gen 1 marauder trigger
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Ok. When I Google that part number it comes up as a gen 2 marauder trigger. So I need to find a gen 1 marauder trigger
Well, google is wrong. ::) 1763 is the gen 1 mrod. Gen 2 specific part numbers would have a 1764.
If you get a G2 trigger assy, the mounting screws will not align to the holes on the Fortitude tube, and sear engagement is in the wrong location.
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Ok. When I Google that part number it comes up as a gen 2 marauder trigger. So I need to find a gen 1 marauder trigger
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. That is exactly why I was asking here
Well, google is wrong. ::) 1763 is the gen 1 mrod. Gen 2 specific part numbers would have a 1764.
If you get a G2 trigger assy, the mounting screws will not align to the holes on the Fortitude tube, and sear engagement is in the wrong location.
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Straight from the Challenger EVP
29 1763A105 Trigger Assembly (pg. 4) 1
Additional parts are
19 CH2009‐031 Trigger Guard 1
20 CH2009‐017 Screw, Trigger Guard 1
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I love my Fortitude Gen 2 box stock. I've got thousands of rounds through it with no issues.
I don't like the MROD as much since I got my Fortitude.
I've got a lot of different (and expensive) airguns to play with, and my Fortitude is still my go-to.
Sometimes it's not about the price of what folks have to say, it's up to you if you like the gun or not...
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I think the fortitude will be perfect for me to be light enough to carry and hunt with. I have seen some really good accuracy reports with some of them. Now if I can just find one in stock.
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The Fortitude and Maximus are very similar guns weight wise. My Maximus with Marauder trigger, Hawke 2-7x32 and GEO LDC weighs 6 lb. 10 oz just to give you an idea of weight ready to hunt or plink.
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Before you change out the whole trigger group, try changing the trigger spring out for a ballpoint pen spring. Makes a huge difference. That way you can shot the gun for a while, see if there are any issues, and still get repairs under warranty if something goes bad by changing the spring back.
The disco stock is supposed to fit the Fortitude.
My fortitude is my favorite gun to shoot. It is accurate, quiet, light, has a decent shot count, and is just plain old fun to shoot. It is not a powerhouse, but in .22 will handle most small game inside 50 yards. Mine likes the Hades, JSB 15.89's, 18.13's, and loves the FX hybrid 22-grain slugs, the FX shoot one hole at 25 yards. You won't get much hollowpoint deformation, but better BC lets them carry energy further. CHCP's shoot just OK in my gun and I use them as a standard for testing and plinking pellet.
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Speaking of slugs in a stock Fortitude Gen II -- My gun likes NSA slugs in .217. I run 17.5gr slugs and the expansion and accuracy is phenomenal. I've had my best shot groups over 100 yards with those slugs.
One thing I really like about the Fortitude over the MROD, is the design of the trigger (except for the pull force). It's setup like a typical rifle with a push button safety. The MROD has the lever style safety that I don't like. Not to mention it's regulated and user adjustable without voiding a warranty (unless you slow it down without depressurizing it first!).
I want to buy another one and modify it with a custom barrel, trigger group, etc. Just for fun. My box stock one is just the way I like it. :)
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I like this rifle as well.
Gonna get one in .177, when they become available again, and give it some bling ;D
I think a LW barrel will make this rifle shine even more ;D
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I put the Crosman marauder LW match grade barrel on mine and it shoots great out to 35-40 yards. I lost a little velocity with the barrel swap but that wasn't too big of issue. I was then able to put some extra baffles in and quiet it up even more.
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I put the Crosman marauder LW match grade barrel on mine and it shoots great out to 35-40 yards. I lost a little velocity with the barrel swap but that wasn't too big of issue. I was then able to put some extra baffles in and quiet it up even more.
A Challenger barrel should also work with a bit of a mod.
I only have 2 Crosman LW barrels, but they are pellet on pellet accurate.
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How much fitting is required for a lothar Walther barrel to be fitted to a fortitude.
You guys keep saying how nice these fortitudes are and it is making waiting on one to be available a lot worse lol
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How much fitting is required for a lothar Walther barrel to be fitted to a fortitude.
You guys keep saying how nice these fortitudes are and it is making waiting on one to be available a lot worse lol
I don’t think it’s going to be laborious, and Bear Air should be able to shed light on it.
I don’t have a Challenger nor a Fortitude but Crosman/Benjamin does the bolt probe to barrel sealing in 2 ways: O-ring around probe tip or O-ring inside the barrel leade.
Most often, it would require amputating an inch from the loading section of the barrel to make way for a new port hole and some other minor machining to ensure proper sealing.
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I wouldn't consider a LW barrel until you get it and shoot it, you may be pleasantly surprised at the results from the factory barrel. Mine gets 1/2" consistently at 40 yards with the occasional much less. But, if you do want one, I believe it is plug and play. No modifications necessary.
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I wouldn't consider a LW barrel until you get it and shoot it, you may be pleasantly surprised at the results from the factory barrel. Mine gets 1/2" consistently at 40 yards with the occasional much less. But, if you do want one, I believe it is plug and play. No modifications necessary.
Mr. Ken is right, of course.
I would only change the barrel if it does not live up to my standards.
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At 50 yards, with NSA slugs, I can get sub-dime sized groupings off a full mag running at 2500psi. Quarter sized at 100 yards.
For a box-stock $300 air rifle, what more can I ask for? This is why I have absolutely no intention of messing with this rifle. It works perfectly and was a laser right out of the box.
I really want to get another one just to take apart and have fun with it. Not going to do it with my one that is working perfectly. But I have other projects that I'm currently working on.
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At 50 yards, with NSA slugs, I can get sub-dime sized groupings off a full mag running at 2500psi. Quarter sized at 100 yards.
For a box-stock $300 air rifle, what more can I ask for? This is why I have absolutely no intention of messing with this rifle. It works perfectly and was a laser right out of the box.
I really want to get another one just to take apart and have fun with it. Not going to do it with my one that is working perfectly. But I have other projects that I'm currently working on.
Impressive!
Now to look for one, lol!
I should have bought one when they were available.
After I am done with it, it will no longer look like a cheap gun (https://i.imgur.com/xlcflD8.gif)
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After I am done with it, it will no longer look like a cheap gun (https://i.imgur.com/xlcflD8.gif)
And it won't be! ;)
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After I am done with it, it will no longer look like a cheap gun (https://i.imgur.com/xlcflD8.gif)
And it won't be! ;)
Ak, ak, ak, John sir ;D
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I found one in .177, which is really my choice ;D
It appears to be in stock, so I emailed them just now.
Will give them a call tomorrow to make things faster.
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Glad you found one. If anyone sees a gen 2 in 22 caliber then let me know. That is what I am looking for
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I have read that the .177 is the better caliber for the Fortitude ;D
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How about this one?
https://www.kitterytradingpost.com/hunting-shooting/airguns-pellets/air-rifles/benjamin-fortitude-gen-2-22-cal.-multi-shot-bolt-action-air-rifle-100588041.html (https://www.kitterytradingpost.com/hunting-shooting/airguns-pellets/air-rifles/benjamin-fortitude-gen-2-22-cal.-multi-shot-bolt-action-air-rifle-100588041.html)
GTA members have bought Maximus PCP's from this site when the were on sale for $150 shipped early last year ;D
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Everything lines up on the LW barrel except one barrel flat for the breech set screw. Easy fix. I just filed a flat spot.
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Nice!
Have to find that MROD LW barrel part number 1st :D
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What is the OD on the crosman LW barrels? The challenger one is 11mm, which fits loose in the Mrod breech. All of the LW barrels I have are 12mm and have been machined down to 7/16" at breech. Curious.
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Mr. John, his is from a MROD Field Target with a LW barrel.
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Mr. John, his is from a MROD Field Target with a LW barrel.
Yea, I sent Chris a quick msg to see. While I have been aware of the crosman LW Mrod barrels, haven't handled any. All mine have been machined from 12mm blanks. I had a challenger barrel way back when, to try to use on a G1 Mrod. It was a loose fit at 11mm. Needed a soda can shim. Maybe I'll be surprised that the whole barrel is 7/16" OD.
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BP1764S – .177 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
BP1764W– .177 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
BP2264S – .22 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
BP2264W – .22 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
I have been browsing the Crosman site, but the MROD FT models seem to indicate this: "Parts not available through Crosman."
The ones above with the W designation should be the LW models.
1763-017, .177 barrel, 20"
2264-001, .22 barrel, 20"
For both barrels, there is no indication of them being LW though.
These ones are with a LW barrel:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316) .22 caliber
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316) .177 caliber
Compare the 2 PA links to the above models---they connive.
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BP1764S – .177 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
BP1764W– .177 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
BP2264S – .22 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
BP2264W – .22 caliber Pellet Air Rifle
I have been browsing the Crosman site, but the MROD FT models seem to indicate this: "Parts not available through Crosman."
The ones above with the W designation should be the LW models.
1763-017, .177 barrel, 20"
2264-001, .22 barrel, 20"
For both barrels, there is no indication of them being LW though.
These ones are with a LW barrel:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316) .22 caliber
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-field-and-target-air-rifle?m=4316) .177 caliber
Compare the 2 PA links to the above models---they connive.
The W and S are for the stock's material ..
W for a Wood stock
S for a Synthetic stock
L is for a Lothar Walther Barrel.
R is for Regulated.
So a Marauder Field And Target with Lothar Walther barrel, in .22, is model number BP2264RLW while the F&T with the Crosman barrel is BP2264RW.
Also, the first number is the caliber, the second number is the model a 64 is a gen 2 while a gen 1 is 63. So a .25 is BP2564, a .22 is BP2264 and a .177 is BP1764.
To make things a little more confusing the Fortitude Gen 2 in .22 is Model: BPF22SG2 and the .177 is Model: BPF77SG2. Maybe they were going to offer a wood stock option.
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The store has not emailed me back yet, but I did give them a call yesterday---closed though ;D
I might just get a 1720T, lol!
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I think the fortitude will be perfect for me to be light enough to carry and hunt with. I have seen some really good accuracy reports with some of them. Now if I can just find one in stock.
It's perfect for what you want, out to 50 yards max.
I would not worry about the barrel. Most (like mine) are very accurate right out the box.
You said you like to tinker. Search "Disco three screw trigger job". You can achieve a very light trigger with the stock parts.