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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Hangtown-Shooter on July 31, 2020, 03:43:48 AM
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I hope I don’t regret being one of the first to try out these new Turkish made Crosman imports... but I pulled the trigger on a Cayden in .22 cal. :o
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Well I stuck my foot in, ordered the Kratos .25 this morning.
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Hopefully the rifles perform. Looking forward to hearing about these new offerings from Crosman.
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SUBSCRIBED!
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^^^ Me too! ;D
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I started with the Akela.
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Looks like we’ll have a Turkish Trifecta! 8)
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All 3 reviews in one place is not a bad thing!
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I started with the Akela.
Following you for sure. Curious to this one.
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How many mags come with these rifles? I never saw anything on that.
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How many mags come with these rifles? I never saw anything on that.
According to Pyramyd’s description they include 2 magazines (and sling swivel studs).
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How many mags come with these rifles? I never saw anything on that.
According to Pyramyd’s description they include 2 magazines (and sling swivel studs).
Okay. Thanks.
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I have been watching this line since it was announced.
Several months ago I was ready for a Kral Puncher Pro 500 because it checked all the boxes... but with Crosman's 5 year warranty, the Kratos might just nudge out my recent desire...
That would be the new Beeman 1380
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Don't know 'bout y'all but, I'm going for popcorn.
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Its a shame we cant get Crosman more involved here! Ive sent emails and PMs but nothing. This forum is FULL of dedicated Crosman fans. If anyone at Crosman is watching Please contact me.
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Following because these look interesting and promising.
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Crosman has been quite active on the SAM threads, they seem way more active on GTA than any other air gun forum! They may not have seen this one yet...
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
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Well, here we are less than 24hrs since I placed my order and I just got a shipping confirmation email... great job on Crosman’s end getting the order out quickly! ;)
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That is great news!
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Well, here we are less than 24hrs since I placed my order and I just got a shipping confirmation email... great job on Crosman’s end getting the order out quickly! ;)
Heck, that's 1 in the plus column over the competition already.
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That is what I was thinking!
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Those of us who have brought up this bias have taken some heat for bringing this up. So I’m glad to see it mentioned.
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If you could show me one person that does not have a bias, I would like to know who it is? I think Steve Shaly, sorry about the possible spelling does a good job. Most of the reviewers try to point out what they see good in a gun. You don't have to bash a product to give an honest review. As an example, show me a hardcore FX guy that does not think everything else is &^^&. We all have our favorite brands, just like cars, food and clothes.
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SUBSCRIBED!
I had to. ;) :D
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Got shipping info, scheduled to make it here Wed.
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Would love to do a GRIP review for Crosman if they would return my email etc.
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Would love to do a GRIP review for Crosman if they would return my email etc.
What's a "GRIP" review ?
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Would love to do a GRIP review for Crosman if they would return my email etc.
What's a "GRIP" review ?
From the list of Acronyms: GRIP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gateway to airguns Review Investigators Publishing
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Would love to do a GRIP review for Crosman if they would return my email etc.
What's a "GRIP" review ?
From the list of Acronyms: GRIP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gateway to airguns Review Investigators Publishing
That looks like it should be GTARIP, don't go there! LOL
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My review may be “udder-ly” useless haha ;D
I’ve never even filled a pcp yet :o I may need a bit of guidance as I go for a swim in the dark side of the pool...
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I remember back in the Yellow that a couple time a gun review was done by sending it to a few members back to back, each member with a different set of expertise and different uses for the gun,
it would make for a more comprehensive review covering all points.
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Popcorn is not going to work I'm afraid .... Jelly beans anyone ?
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Scott, let me know if you’d be interested in looking one over in person... I could bring my Weber Smokey Mountain and a Tri Tip with me ;)
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Would love to do a GRIP review for Crosman if they would return my email etc.
What's a "GRIP" review ?
From the list of Acronyms: GRIP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gateway to airguns Review Investigators Publishing
That looks like it should be GTARIP, don't go there! LOL
I also thought it should be “Get A Grip!”
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I'm watching because it will be great to get actual unbiased info from end users without agendas.
This is something we can all get a GRIP on... ;)
Would love to do a GRIP review for Crosman if they would return my email etc.
What's a "GRIP" review ?
From the list of Acronyms: GRIP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gateway to airguns Review Investigators Publishing
That looks like it should be GTARIP, don't go there! LOL
I also thought it should be “Get A Grip!”
Get A Grip is our moto. It will be on the T shirts
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Welcome to the darkside.... it is a DEEP rabbit hole of which there is no escape... Cookies inbound!
Scott, let me know if you’d be interested in looking one over in person... I could bring my Weber Smokey Mountain and a Tri Tip with me ;)
Dave.... that would be GREAT!
I got a Webby "Smokey Joe" and some home killed Black Angus.
We could have a Get A GRIP Beef / Airgun fest!
Get A Grip is our moto. It will be on the T shirts
Sign me up!
Is there udders involved?
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Following
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Scott, let me know if you’d be interested in looking one over in person... I could bring my Weber Smokey Mountain and a Tri Tip with me ;)
Well now there is a Plan to be made ;D
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Will the real Scott please stand up?
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Dang, I did it again didn't I.
::) :-[ :P
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I remember back in the Yellow that a couple time a gun review was done by sending it to a few members back to back, each member with a different set of expertise and different uses for the gun,
it would make for a more comprehensive review covering all points.
Indeed! Instead of the usual everything is great from parties with possible monetary interests.
But unlikely.
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Very tempting, especially since the AGNATION code seems to work on this new release. :)
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Now that's funny! I don't care who you are. 😂
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LMBO!!! ;D 8)
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I didn't get my Akela order placed until after 3pm Friday but already have a Wednesday delivery scheduled. Great, fast service.
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I ordered mine first and will receive it last dang-it! (Opposite Coast) Haha ;D Ah well... no worries, I’m not in a big hurry.
Heck, I still need to figure out what scope and rings I’m going to run... ::)
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Looking forward to these reviews. I really like the look of the Benjamin Cayden. Hopefully it will eventually come out in .177cal. I'm also hoping that it has a trigger as nice as the Marauder.
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Looking forward to these reviews. I really like the look of the Benjamin Cayden. Hopefully it will eventually come out in .177cal. I'm also hoping that it has a trigger as nice as the Marauder.
My educated guess is it won't ... because to date all the KRAL guns have been based on EVANIX copies. Evanix trigger are snag sears hanging on the critical edge of hammer and simply don't or can't be made into a match grade trigger such as the Theoben / M-rod clone triggers.
Hope I'm wrong and these new guns have redesigned triggers in them ???
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Looking forward to these reviews. I really like the look of the Benjamin Cayden. Hopefully it will eventually come out in .177cal. I'm also hoping that it has a trigger as nice as the Marauder.
My educated guess is it won't ... because to date all the KRAL guns have been based on EVANIX copies. Evanix trigger are snag sears hanging on the critical edge of hammer and simply don't or can't be made into a match grade trigger such as the Theoben / M-rod clone triggers.
Hope I'm wrong and these new guns have redesigned triggers in them ???
bummer :(
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I've never owned a KRAL, but have read they are very similar in many ways to the Hatsan's. If they share the virtues of the Hatsan Quattro Trigger, then they should be adjustable to a nice light, crisp trigger feel. Crosman does show they have a 2-Stage trigger, so it will be interesting to hear how these shoot once folks have them in their hands.
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I've never owned a KRAL, but have read they are very similar in many ways to the Hatsan's. If they share the virtues of the Hatsan Quattro Trigger, then they should be adjustable to a nice light, crisp trigger feel. Crosman does show they have a 2-Stage trigger, so it will be interesting to hear how these shoot once folks have them in their hands.
To a HATSAN ??? .... KRAL "PCP" would honestly like to see where than similarity was stated ?
Having been into many KRAL PCP guns ... can't say I've ever seen any triggers that follow quattro architecture .
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I've never owned a KRAL, but have read they are very similar in many ways to the Hatsan's. If they share the virtues of the Hatsan Quattro Trigger, then they should be adjustable to a nice light, crisp trigger feel. Crosman does show they have a 2-Stage trigger, so it will be interesting to hear how these shoot once folks have them in their hands.
To a HATSAN ??? .... KRAL "PCP" would honestly like to see where than similarity was stated ?
Having been into many KRAL PCP guns ... can't say I've ever seen any triggers that follow quattro architecture .
Yea, similarities, you know, they both use air to shoot pellets, they both have barrels and triggers! You mean there's more to them than that? LOL! Just kidding, but it does go to show, you can't believe everything you read on the Internet! :o Don't recall where I read that, but was probably one of these on-line air guns sites! Like I said, I've never owned a KRAL, so I was just going on the mis-information I saw somewhere. But, now we know! Thanks Scott!
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I've never owned a KRAL, but have read they are very similar in many ways to the Hatsan's.
To a HATSAN ??? .... KRAL "PCP" would honestly like to see where than similarity was stated ?
Same church different pew ;D
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So this happened today🙂
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Nice! What are your initial first impressions?
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
🤷♂️ If I could answer such questions I’d be sitting on top of a mountain somewhere
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Nice! What are your initial first impressions?
Heavier than I thought it might be. Never had a Kral build gun before. I’m at work right now. Can’t exactly take it out and play with it too much.
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
Has to be that they Kral can do it cheaper.
Didn't Diana make the same business decision?
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
Has to be that they Kral can do it cheaper.
Didn't Diana make the same business decision?
they did indeed with Snow Peak Airgun in China ( SPA )
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Looking forward to these reviews. I really like the look of the Benjamin Cayden. Hopefully it will eventually come out in .177cal. I'm also hoping that it has a trigger as nice as the Marauder.
My educated guess is it won't ... because to date all the KRAL guns have been based on EVANIX copies. Evanix trigger are snag sears hanging on the critical edge of hammer and simply don't or can't be made into a match grade trigger such as the Theoben / M-rod clone triggers.
Hope I'm wrong and these new guns have redesigned triggers in them ???
New triggers should be similar to the new Kral triggers. 2 stage fully adjustable and break nicely. No longer using the evanix style triggers. Slightly different because the safety is relocated.
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If indeed the case OUTSTANDING ... being wrong is Good :o
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If indeed the case OUTSTANDING ... being wrong is Good :o
The new kral triggers are excellent. 1lb out of the box and still room to clean and polish. Mine breaks at 12oz cleanly.
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If indeed the case OUTSTANDING ... being wrong is Good :o
The new kral triggers are excellent. 1lb out of the box and still room to clean and polish. Mine breaks at 12oz cleanly.
You make a really good case for these Kral guns. I may have to pull the trigger on one sometime in the future. Likely one of these Benjamin variants backed with Crosman's warranty and support. Really like the look of the Cayden, but wish it had the same shrouded barrel used on the Kratos.
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Looking forward to these reviews. I really like the look of the Benjamin Cayden. Hopefully it will eventually come out in .177cal. I'm also hoping that it has a trigger as nice as the Marauder.
My educated guess is it won't ... because to date all the KRAL guns have been based on EVANIX copies. Evanix trigger are snag sears hanging on the critical edge of hammer and simply don't or can't be made into a match grade trigger such as the Theoben / M-rod clone triggers.
Hope I'm wrong and these new guns have redesigned triggers in them ???
New triggers should be similar to the new Kral triggers. 2 stage fully adjustable and break nicely. No longer using the evanix style triggers. Slightly different because the safety is relocated.
That looks like something out of a mech. horror movie. I'm guessing that that is a quatro trigger? Never seen one so no idea.
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That looks like something out of a mech. horror movie. I'm guessing that that is a quatro trigger? Never seen one so no idea.
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That's the new Kral Trigger group. Very well designed and functions at 3 times the cost.
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After my warehouse personal left this evening I took a closer look at my new Akela. A lot of firsts for me with this one. This is the first time I’ve ever jumped on a first time newly released airgun.
Over all I would say it is nicer than my Marauder. The Turkish walnut is very nice. It’s heavier than it looks like it would be. This is my first none Crosman/Benjamin built airgun that I’ve ever owned.
This is also my first bullpup. My Marauder will become a bullpup in the near future also with a CraftsmanVit stock I just received. Wasn’t expecting these new BenjaKrals to be released this early with world getting turn upside down this year. The bullpup design is too new to me to really comment on the ergonomics of it. It’s definitely something I’ll need to get accustomed to. I do t for see any issues. I adapt and adjust to my airguns pretty easily.
The safety is a little shorter in length than I’d like. Has a bite of a sharpe edge to it and it’s a little stiff. Not as smooth operating like my Marauder’s. Maybe it’ll loosen up a little with use. This might be my only issue with this rifle so far.
It came with a short piece of Picatinny rail to bolt on for a bipod. It’s plastic which is a little disappointing. Haven’t decided if I’ll use it. The bipeds I have are Harris clone Caldwells and use the sling stud. It came with an assortment of Allen keys and two spare o-rings which I didn’t check yet to see what they where spares for.
My rifle came with the pressure gauge reading 3K psi. So I’m taking that as a good sign there are no leaks.
I had a tin of CPHP and my rubber mulch trap and couldn’t resist shooting it tonight. No scope just point blank into the trap. The trigger is pretty nice. Maybe better than a Marauder’s. Breaks cleanly and I didn’t notice any creep. I don’t have a trigger pull gauge but I’d say it’s breaking around 1#. Can’t be much more than that. Looks like you have to pull the rifle out of the stock to make any adjustments but I’m pretty happy with where it is out of the box so don’t think I’ll be messing with it.
I ran a magazine, 10 shots, with the power adjuster set at max. Didn’t have a chrony with me so I have no idea about FPS or power. It’s quieter than I was expecting. I would say even quieter than my Marauder set at 30fpe. I ran a magazine at minimum power and it’s even quieter. Definitely would consider it to be backyard friendly. After those 20 shots pressure was down to 2500. So the claimed 60 shots per fill might be possible at minimum power. We’ll see.
The side lever isn’t heavy and it is smooth. It’s my first side lever so I don’t have a comparison. I like it and see now why everyone likes them.
Over all I would say that I like this airgun and don’t regret buying it. I do hope Crosman will support these new rifles like they’ve support everything else. Many have expressed their disappointment in Crosman's decision to outsource these and at first I too was disappointed. I don’t know or understand the business reasoning behind it but I’ve decided to embrace it rather then condemn the entire company for it. Crosman may not produce the best stuff and even though I could afford any airgun I’d ever want to own I’ve always been happy enough with what I’ve gotten from Crosman that I’ve never bother to stray away and I’ll remain a loyal faithful customer.
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Thanks for the report Justin! Glad to hear you are pleased with your purchase so far.
I try not to think about it, but (fail)... I’m anxiously awaiting my Cayden to arrive which should hopefully be Thursday.
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
Has to be that they Kral can do it cheaper.
Didn't Diana make the same business decision?
Yeah but Diana is really a springer company, they tried to make a PCP but didn't really take off, so indeed was the right business decision for them to re-brand SPA.
Crosman on the other hand has a lot of experience with PCP and in my opinion has a good platform in hose that could be developed further with smaller calibers and rifles ,.....the Bulldog
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
Has to be that they Kral can do it cheaper.
Didn't Diana make the same business decision?
Yeah but Diana is really a springer company, they tried to make a PCP but didn't really take off, so indeed was the right business decision for them to re-brand SPA.
Crosman on the other hand has a lot of experience with PCP and in my opinion has a good platform in hose that could be developed further with smaller calibers and rifles ,.....the Bulldog
Being almost an exact clone of the rainstorm but better trigger I thought you'd be the most excited.... lol
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To me is still crazy that the biggest Airgun company in the world well established in the PCP field cannot develop their own guns but need to re-brand some Turk gun.
Has to be that they Kral can do it cheaper.
Didn't Diana make the same business decision?
Yeah but Diana is really a springer company, they tried to make a PCP but didn't really take off, so indeed was the right business decision for them to re-brand SPA.
Crosman on the other hand has a lot of experience with PCP and in my opinion has a good platform in hose that could be developed further with smaller calibers and rifles ,.....the Bulldog
Being almost an exact clone of the rainstorm but better trigger I thought you'd be the most excited.... lol
Couldn't care less :) LOL like I never even looked at Kral :)
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Imagine Evanix performance with crosman parts and support. That's my thoughts. That's why I've been a huge fan since the beginning.
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Imagine Evanix performance with crosman parts and support. That's my thoughts. That's why I've been a huge fan since the beginning.
Been shooting Evanix for over a decade and never really needed any parts, ...I got Will Piatt to make me a kit with spare valve and such and still haven't used it :)
Other parts like extra tubes and such where available at Pyramyd and from now on AirGunPro shop will be stocking spare parts for Evanix
Also the trigger is perfect for me, the last gun that Will tuned he actually made the trigger to light and I had to re adjust it a bit heavier.
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Great initial report on your Akela Justin.
Thanks for taking the time!
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I think Troy will quickly become our “Krosman” expert. :)
While it would be great that crosman develop their own product, given one new pcp a year, it would have taken too long for features others already have. Bottle guns, side lever, bull pup, etc. Unlike many rebranders, I think the combo of great parts and repair support will bring value to them.
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Given that these are essentially Krals - I wonder if there are already HUMA regs that will fit? I'm also hoping that the end of the Cayden barrel is threaded. I'm looking forward to reading more user reports of these new rigs.
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Given that these are essentially Krals - I wonder if there are already HUMA regs that will fit? I'm also hoping that the end of the Cayden barrel is threaded. I'm looking forward to reading more user reports of these new rigs.
I recall reading somewhere that the muzzle break is removable. Now if it’s threaded on or held with a grub screw remains to be seen! We should know for sure soon.
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Unlike many rebranders, I think the combo of great parts and repair support will bring value to them.
Very much agree - this could be a very important factor for prospective buyers. But my Marauder is less than a year old - It and a large number of other ag's would be jealous, so it may be a while, and I am inclined towards a Daystate Huntsman.
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I think Troy will quickly become our “Krosman” expert. :)
While it would be great that crosman develop their own product, given one new pcp a year, it would have taken too long for features others already have. Bottle guns, side lever, bull pup, etc. Unlike many rebranders, I think the combo of great parts and repair support will bring value to them.
Krosman,
I like that one, clever :)
How much are them guns anyway ?
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I think Troy will quickly become our “Krosman” expert. :)
While it would be great that crosman develop their own product, given one new pcp a year, it would have taken too long for features others already have. Bottle guns, side lever, bull pup, etc. Unlike many rebranders, I think the combo of great parts and repair support will bring value to them.
Don't forget, Krosman is a Velocity-Outdoor company.
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I think Troy will quickly become our “Krosman” expert. :)
While it would be great that crosman develop their own product, given one new pcp a year, it would have taken too long for features others already have. Bottle guns, side lever, bull pup, etc. Unlike many rebranders, I think the combo of great parts and repair support will bring value to them.
Krosman,
I like that one, clever :)
How much are them guns anyway ?
Using the AGNATION coupon code on the crosman website they run $450-$550 depending on model.
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I think Troy will quickly become our “Krosman” expert. :)
While it would be great that crosman develop their own product, given one new pcp a year, it would have taken too long for features others already have. Bottle guns, side lever, bull pup, etc. Unlike many rebranders, I think the combo of great parts and repair support will bring value to them.
Krosman,
I like that one, clever :)
How much are them guns anyway ?
Using the AGNATION coupon code on the crosman website they run $450-$550 depending on model.
WOW, that is real chap,...they gonna sell a lot for sure
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WOW, that is real chap,...they gonna sell a lot for sure
I'm sure that's what Krosman/Velocity Outdoor is hoping for. There's a lot going for and against this joint business venture.
I'm unsure if it's the right company to pair with on the Crosman part. Cooperative support with all three partners will sure be paramount in this business venture.
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According to the write up by HAM the Cayden is the only version without a barrel shroud but instead has a threaded barrel with removable muzzle brake.
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According to the write up by HAM the Cayden is the only version without a barrel shroud but instead has a threaded barrel with removable muzzle brake.
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Good catch, thanks!
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My Akela was just delivered. It's not at all a rebadged Kral. Maybe 2-3 parts are interchangeable. It's very nice. Solid smooth cocking. The lever even has a bearing for the bolt pivot. Trigger is very nice. They did a great job working together on this.
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Cool, so they aren't just a re-branded platform in different stocks.
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It might still be. There are a few other Turkish airgun manufacturers that produce siDe lever PCP’s very similar to Kral and Hatsan. I found them while I was googling for “Turkish Benjamin” after I saw this thread.
I still haven’t figured out which is what though. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are importing a couple of different models from different manufacturers altogether?
I am hoping for good parts and support but I never received the standard parts and support with the Remington Express. It took me awhile to hunt down a factory spring and piston seal for that one. And back and forth with Crosman, and Remington until I found someone that was able to sell me the parts.
Which is unusual for Crosman.
But if they keep these contracts and continue to import these guns long term, I am sure the parts and support will come through.
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It might still be. There are a few other Turkish airgun manufacturers that produce siDe lever PCP’s very similar to Kral and Hatsan. I found them while I was googling for “Turkish Benjamin” after I saw this thread.
I still haven’t figured out which is what though. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are importing a couple of different models from different manufacturers altogether?
I am hoping for good parts and support but I never received the standard parts and support with the Remington Express. It took me awhile to hunt down a factory spring and piston seal for that one. And back and forth with Crosman, and Remington until I found someone that was able to sell me the parts.
Which is unusual for Crosman.
But if they keep these contracts and continue to import these guns long term, I am sure the parts and support will come through.
It's 100% for sure made by Kral. It's not a rebrand. Kral made the gun to Benjamin/Crosman specs.
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Thanks Troy
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I might be cashing in some comp time, that bullpup looks awesome.
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Well, the wait has come to an end and at first glance she’s a beauty!
The new Cayden showed up undamaged and holding 3K which is a good sign. The lever cycles smoothly, although this is my first lever gun so I have nothing to compare it to.
I don’t have a scope yet, but I just had to run a couple pellets through it after running a few patches through the barrel ;D Pyramyd’s description rates this version at a 4 on their loudness scale (compared to a 2 for both shrouded versions) so I was a bit nervous it would be obnoxious, but I didn’t think it seemed all that loud to my ears honestly.
I did confirm the barrel is threaded so I will be looking into moderator options soon, but for now it’s tolerable.
The stock feels very nice to shoulder and balances nicely. Overall it seems very nice and so far I am pleased with my purchase. Looking forward to running a few different pellets once I get a scope mounted and see what kind of groups I can get!
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Many thanks for sharing your pics and enthusiasm with all of us.
Looking forward to your continued feedback because it's on my radar.
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Would have been my choice. I like adding or removing an LDC at my whim and most of my uses for an airgun are well served by longer rifles.
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Perhaps I missed it,but are the threads 1/2-20 or something else?
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Perhaps I missed it,but are the threads 1/2-20 or something else?
½-20 UNF
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Troy thanks for the response. Now it IS moving closer to the top of my list.
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My Akela came yesterday. No time to really do anything with it. It too came with a 3000psi fill. Figured since it was full I'd run a quick chrony string. She's hot. 940-950 with JSB 18.13 JSB over the first few magazines then started to drop off. Should tune out to a nice 50-60 shots at about 30fpe. I'll try to fit some time in with it soon but I think it's going to be a winner.
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Thanks for the quick report Troy!
Curious if you had the power adjuster cranked up to max during your chrony session?
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Thanks for the quick report Troy!
Curious if you had the power adjuster cranked up to max during your chrony session?
Backed all the way out. It's a little over sprung. 3/4" or so of preload on a fairly stiff spring. Cocking is smooth as butter though. The cocking lever uses a really nice hardened pivot on the back and a roller bearing on the cocking arm.
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Well, the wait has come to an end and at first glance she’s a beauty!
The new Cayden showed up undamaged and holding 3K which is a good sign. The lever cycles smoothly, although this is my first lever gun so I have nothing to compare it to.
I don’t have a scope yet, but I just had to run a couple pellets through it after running a few patches through the barrel ;D Pyramyd’s description rates this version at a 4 on their loudness scale (compared to a 2 for both shrouded versions) so I was a bit nervous it would be obnoxious, but I didn’t think it seemed all that loud to my ears honestly.
I did confirm the barrel is threaded so I will be looking into moderator options soon, but for now it’s tolerable.
The stock feels very nice to shoulder and balances nicely. Overall it seems very nice and so far I am pleased with my purchase. Looking forward to running a few different pellets once I get a scope mounted and see what kind of groups I can get!
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Very nice, congrats! And thanks for the great pics!
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Well, after seeing the pictures of the Cayden I took advantage of free shipping Friday and the AGN coupon code and got me one on the way. I have a nice Neil Clague LDC that needs a home, and it should screw right onto the end of that barrel with no modifications needed! I debated between the Cayden and the Akela, but I'm not much of a BullPup fan, and even though the Akela is one nice looking rifle, I went the more traditional route! Looking forward to giving this Test-Puppy a try!
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Can the sidelever be flipped to the left side on any of these?
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Can the sidelever be flipped to the left side on any of these?
Great question, but I'm betting probably not... If they could be, that would be a great selling point that probably would have been listed under the specifications tab, and I didn't see anything. The bolt on the Marauder comes out the back, making it an easy conversion, but these would have to have a slot of both sides of the breech to accommodate the linkage between the bolt and the side lever. Not saying that couldn't be done, or wasn't, I just haven't seen it before and haven't seen any pictures of the left side of these air guns!
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I am looking forward to seeing all of the reviews as you guys get your new rifles out to play with them. I am interested in seeing what tunes people come up with.
I like the Akela. It looks nice and is easy to handle. I stole one out of QA while they were testing them and did a little shooting. After I returned it to QA I liked it enough to pick one up.
John
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It was between the Akela and Cayden for me, I ended up going with the Cayden just because that one was the one that caught my eye when they were first released!
Now, we need to get some SAMs in some hands! I've been checking all day, no "Add to Cart" button yet!
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Can the sidelever be flipped to the left side on any of these?
Great question, but I'm betting probably not... If they could be, that would be a great selling point that probably would have been listed under the specifications tab, and I didn't see anything. The bolt on the Marauder comes out the back, making it an easy conversion, but these would have to have a slot of both sides of the breech to accommodate the linkage between the bolt and the side lever. Not saying that couldn't be done, or wasn't, I just haven't seen it before and haven't seen any pictures of the left side of these air guns!
No leftie....no sale....
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I am looking forward to seeing all of the reviews as you guys get your new rifles out to play with them. I am interested in seeing what tunes people come up with.
I like the Akela. It looks nice and is easy to handle. I stole one out of QA while they were testing them and did a little shooting. After I returned it to QA I liked it enough to pick one up.
John
John,
It's nice to have someone from Crosman active here! Do you anticipate .177cal versions of these rifles anytime soon? The Cayden looks like it might be a nice Field Target rig.
Thanks!
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I am looking forward to seeing all of the reviews as you guys get your new rifles out to play with them. I am interested in seeing what tunes people come up with.
I like the Akela. It looks nice and is easy to handle. I stole one out of QA while they were testing them and did a little shooting. After I returned it to QA I liked it enough to pick one up.
John
John, I am SO happy to have you here on GTA!
Please, Please, PLEASE visit more often.
A Crosman presence is desperatley needed here. You may get Greif or Props.. but your insight is VERY welcome!
And an ear direct to "Mother Crosman" is always great !
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Scott, you're kidding about waiting a week for $10 right? You mean HM won't loan you $10? Is your credit that bad with her?
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Scott, you're kidding about waiting a week for $10 right? You mean HM won't loan you $10? Is your credit that bad with her?
She mussent know what I spend on this Hobby. Even if my selling one or two of my 30+ guns pays for it.
It is all under the radar.
I am set to what $ I can afford to stash and what I cant.
Today I am $10 short... period... Dot... It.
Next Friday I will be golden.
Unless I sell another gun....or two
And then I am over the top and setting my sights back on the $800 Beeman 1380!
Then All He!! is breaking loose... as long as HM doesn't know. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLJGKKYQ-jc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLJGKKYQ-jc)
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Okay guys, this is FAR from a scientifically repeatable test lol... but I ran a magazine of 14.3g CPHP’s through the Chrony curious to see the FPS range with the power adjuster from one end to the other. I only ran 3 shots each at full, half, and low power settings, and then I tossed out the highest and lowest readings at each setting so these #’s don’t even represent a true average really, but you get the idea ;)
Lowest setting
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Half-power
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Full throttle
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So it looks like the "Strangle Screw" actually works similar to my AA S400 FAC!
Will be interested as to each setting effects accuracy and shot count. ;)
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Also just to be clear, the power adjuster is finitely adjustable between min and max, not just 3 position, so there is a wide range of potential adjustment.
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Are these rifles REGULATED ?
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Are these rifles REGULATED ?
Not from factory
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Full variable airflow , are there some indicator clicks involved ?
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Full variable airflow , are there some indicator clicks involved ?
No clicks. Variable from high to low. You'll have to use visual guides to line up the adjuster for repeatability.
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Are these rifles REGULATED ?
Not from factory
Do you think a Huma-Air regulator for a Kral will work in these?
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My Akela came yesterday. No time to really do anything with it. It too came with a 3000psi fill. Figured since it was full I'd run a quick chrony string. She's hot. 940-950 with JSB 18.13 JSB over the first few magazines then started to drop off. Should tune out to a nice 50-60 shots at about 30fpe. I'll try to fit some time in with it soon but I think it's going to be a winner.
From where I am from I will say only this.....
“She’s purdy!”
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Well, the wait has come to an end and at first glance she’s a beauty!
The new Cayden showed up undamaged and holding 3K which is a good sign. The lever cycles smoothly, although this is my first lever gun so I have nothing to compare it to.
I don’t have a scope yet, but I just had to run a couple pellets through it after running a few patches through the barrel ;D Pyramyd’s description rates this version at a 4 on their loudness scale (compared to a 2 for both shrouded versions) so I was a bit nervous it would be obnoxious, but I didn’t think it seemed all that loud to my ears honestly.
I did confirm the barrel is threaded so I will be looking into moderator options soon, but for now it’s tolerable.
The stock feels very nice to shoulder and balances nicely. Overall it seems very nice and so far I am pleased with my purchase. Looking forward to running a few different pellets once I get a scope mounted and see what kind of groups I can get!
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Sweet!
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Are these rifles REGULATED ?
Not from factory
Do you think a Huma-Air regulator for a Kral will work in these?
It won't. The Huma screws in to the valve body of the kral replacing the depinger. The Benjamin uses a different style valve body and has a finer thread for the depinger. The Lane reg seals on the depinger cap but the Benjamin cap has a slot cut to use a screw driver for removal. It also relies on a spacer to seal the depinger cap so it doesn't back flow air. Unfortunately without custom parts and mods it doesn't work either.
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Any updates on the Benjamin krados, kaden, akela
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I'll try to fit in a full shot string stock config tomorrow on the .22 Akela. I have lots of orders waiting so this gun is pushed back a little. I did find a 2" piece of 1.25" aluminum round bar scrap which will allow me to modify a Lane reg to work. Does require drilling a vent hole so it's a permanent addition but would make it regulated with the new SSG. I've never been worried about the drilled breathe holes so it's a non issue in my book.
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in modern internet lingo,
/like
Or is it #CrosmanLove?
Oh, wait, I already love both my 13xx, 2400KT, Maximus, 392, 760 pumper, and Gen2 Forti!
I'd probably be pulling the trigger on one but I caught Sonja watching another Leshiy 2 video...
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Whoops
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Finally got a scope mounted... Now if only it weren’t 100*F + outside!
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That's smokin' Hangtown, can't go wrong with Aztec....can't wait to see your groups!
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Mine really likes the 18.13 grain JSBs and does well with the NSA 17.5 grain slugs and the FX Hybrid slugs! I doesn’t like the Hades, those are all over the place!
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SO NICE!!!!
Thinking a Discovery from Wesbob for mine.... When I get it. ::)
What size is that Aztec?
Did you get high our medium rings to clear the magazine?
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The Aztec is a 5-25x50... I tried med height rings first which worked great for mounting the scope itself, but did not leave enough clearance for the extra tall magazine these guns use. Currently I have the scope sitting in a pair of Warne xtra-high rings which really gives more clearance than is actually needed, but I already had them laying around. I think a standard “high” set should work just perfect for most scopes and still give the minimum required magazine clearance.
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Thanks for that info!
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I have the barreled action out of the stock. Considering rubbing the stock with some (red oak?) stain while it’s apart...
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
There's a threaded spring tensioner in that silver plug. Trigger does have a sear adjustment and I believe a first stage take up.
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
There's a threaded spring tensioner in that silver plug. Trigger does have a sear adjustment and I believe a first stage take up.
I pulled the stock and turned in that Hammer Spring Tensioner 1 full turn, increased average FPS from 874.8 to 901.2 using 18.13 grain JSB's. I think I'll keep it right there for now.
I did see a small 2mm screw just in front of the trigger guard, but didn't see any other adjustment that were readily accessible. Do you know what this adjustment does? I hate to mess with anything without know what it does, especially when messing with the trigger!
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
There's a threaded spring tensioner in that silver plug. Trigger does have a sear adjustment and I believe a first stage take up.
I pulled the stock and turned in that Hammer Spring Tensioner 1 full turn, increased average FPS from 874.8 to 901.2 using 18.13 grain JSB's. I think I'll keep it right there for now.
I did see a small 2mm screw just in front of the trigger guard, but didn't see any other adjustment that were readily accessible. Do you know what this adjustment does? I hate to mess with anything without know what it does, especially when messing with the trigger!
That should be the second stage sear engagement.
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
There's a threaded spring tensioner in that silver plug. Trigger does have a sear adjustment and I believe a first stage take up.
I pulled the stock and turned in that Hammer Spring Tensioner 1 full turn, increased average FPS from 874.8 to 901.2 using 18.13 grain JSB's. I think I'll keep it right there for now.
I did see a small 2mm screw just in front of the trigger guard, but didn't see any other adjustment that were readily accessible. Do you know what this adjustment does? I hate to mess with anything without know what it does, especially when messing with the trigger!
That should be the second stage sear engagement.
Thanks! I guess I'll play with it some tomorrow. Any idea which direction to turn it to turn it to reduce the engagement?
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When you guys get a chance to throw some lead 50 - 100yards, would really like to see how they perform. Was thinking of getting another avenger in .25 but may pull the trigger on .25 kratos. Love the look of the stock!!!
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
There's a threaded spring tensioner in that silver plug. Trigger does have a sear adjustment and I believe a first stage take up.
I pulled the stock and turned in that Hammer Spring Tensioner 1 full turn, increased average FPS from 874.8 to 901.2 using 18.13 grain JSB's. I think I'll keep it right there for now.
I did see a small 2mm screw just in front of the trigger guard, but didn't see any other adjustment that were readily accessible. Do you know what this adjustment does? I hate to mess with anything without know what it does, especially when messing with the trigger!
That should be the second stage sear engagement.
Thanks! I guess I'll play with it some tomorrow. Any idea which direction to turn it to turn it to reduce the engagement?
Clockwise for reduction. Too far in and it won't cock.
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I see a plug at the back of the breech. Any chance this is an adjustment for the hammer spring? Have you taken out the trigger assembly? If so, any apparent adjustments other than the trigger shoe position? I've not had mine apart yet, been to busy with work! >:( :(
There's a threaded spring tensioner in that silver plug. Trigger does have a sear adjustment and I believe a first stage take up.
I pulled the stock and turned in that Hammer Spring Tensioner 1 full turn, increased average FPS from 874.8 to 901.2 using 18.13 grain JSB's. I think I'll keep it right there for now.
I did see a small 2mm screw just in front of the trigger guard, but didn't see any other adjustment that were readily accessible. Do you know what this adjustment does? I hate to mess with anything without know what it does, especially when messing with the trigger!
That should be the second stage sear engagement.
Thanks! I guess I'll play with it some tomorrow. Any idea which direction to turn it to turn it to reduce the engagement?
Clockwise for reduction. Too far in and it won't cock.
Thank you!
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Earlier today I hand rubbed 2 light coats of Minwax Red Oak right over the top of the existing factory finish, and so far I am very pleased with the results... maybe I didn’t win the wood lottery, but I still think it’s pretty! 😍
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Earlier today I hand rubbed 2 light coats of Minwax Red Oak right over the top of the existing factory finish, and so far I am very pleased with the results... maybe I didn’t win the wood lottery, but I still think it’s pretty! 😍
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No sanding, just put new finish right over??? However you did it looks great. Share a pic when its all back together. Great job!!!
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Looks great. Awesome job.
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Dave,
Looks elegant, simple yet rich.
LMK when you want to get into the trigger mechanics and see what improvements can be coaxed out ;)
Scott
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Thanks for the compliment’s guys!
Mr. Motorhead, I’m ready when you are... as long as these wildfires don’t get us first!
Should I bring Chicken, Pork, or Beef? 😋
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Ohhhh My.
Purdy!
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Wow, that really made a difference! Now I'm wondering if I should use Pledge or Minwax? :o
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Dave,
Looks elegant, simple yet rich.
LMK when you want to get into the trigger mechanics and see what improvements can be coaxed out ;)
Scott
Looking forward to hearning more about this...
Nice job on the stock! It came out really nice.
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Ordered my Kratos Friday, Received it Tuesday, Cleaned the barrel and gave it the one over Wednesday, then mounted a scope and shot it last night!
LOVE IT SO FAR!
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How does the adjustable cheekpiece feel on these guns? It looks super short - does it feel comfortable?
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Well it's Friday, there won't be a better day to order another one of the Crosman guns, with 25% off and free shipping. The Akela has been ordered to join the Kratos that I already have.
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Well it's Friday, there won't be a better day to order another one of the Crosman guns...
You are killing me with your subliminal suggestions 🤣 Last night I had a horrible dream the discount code had expired and was no longer working 😬
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How does the adjustable cheekpiece feel on these guns? It looks super short - does it feel comfortable?
To be honest I have not even bothered to adjust mine, it feels comfortable to me as is in its lowest position
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How does the adjustable cheekpiece feel on these guns? It looks super short - does it feel comfortable?
To be honest I have not even bothered to adjust mine, it feels comfortable to me as is in its lowest position
Good to know, thanks Dave!
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Ordered my Kratos Friday, Received it Tuesday, Cleaned the barrel and gave it the one over Wednesday, then mounted a scope and shot it last night!
LOVE IT SO FAR!
Very anxious to see your feedback on this one!
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My review may be “udder-ly” useless haha ;D
I’ve never even filled a pcp yet :o I may need a bit of guidance as I go for a swim in the dark side of the pool...
;D
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I ordered the Cayden yesterday. Heck of a deal from Crosman !!! Less than what I paid for my Airmax Dominator. That Turkish walnut is beautiful wood.
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Good luck to you Wayne!!!!
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Thanks Scott !!! I haven't gotten a shipping notice yet but I ordered it at about 6pm Friday. After seeing everyone's evaluation of the gun so far I'm sure it'll be a winner. . . . heck you can't buy a walnut stock alone for the price that I paid for the entire gun these days.
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Congrats Wayne! I think you'll be real happy with it, I know I am! On Friday I ordered a couple CP Scopes they had on sale for 55% off, I got the shipping notification that evening. But, I did order them that morning.
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Thanks Scott !!! I haven't gotten a shipping notice yet but I ordered it at about 6pm Friday. After seeing everyone's evaluation of the gun so far I'm sure it'll be a winner. . . . heck you can't buy a walnut stock alone for the price that I paid for the entire gun these days.
Wayne, may I ask what the typical timeline is when ordering from Crosman?
Like you I ordered a gun from Crosman on Friday as well, and am now awaiting any notification of shipment.
On their site it showed as "Processing" at first, but today it shows "Complete". But no emails from Crosman so far indicating any new status, unlike how other online vendors usually provide.
I was hoping for further information, like the magic word "Shipped" or something.
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Charlie, what time did you place your order on Friday? I bought my Cayden the Friday before last and 2 scopes this past Friday and have a notification that they had shipped by 8 PM the evening I placed my order. Both were ordered before 7 AM though, so when the order was placed probably impact when it gets shipped. You will probably receive notification tomorrow. My Cayden arrived the Tuesday after I ordered it, a day earlier than predicted. The 2 scopes show an expected delivery this coming Wednesday, but with 2 hurricanes heading into the Gulf, I'm not sure if they will arrive early or not!
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I ordered my Kratos over my lunch break last Friday. (12:00-13:00) I got the "shipped" conformation at 22:30 that night. :o
Received it the following Tuesday via UPS!
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I did get a tracking number but when I put it in the search for UPS it's not recognized yet. Hopefully it will be here by Tuesday or Wednesday anyway.
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Paul, Scott and Wayne, thanks for trying to help me out here, at first I read some reassuring answers when I inquired on a specific thread I started earlier, to ask about this.
But now the timing is making me think - I ordered at 11:34 am on Friday 8/21. That's earlier than at least one of you guys' orders, yet still nothing. Hmmm...maybe it IS those hurricanes, but shouldn't I have at least received a tracking number?
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BTW Paul, I also ordered a scope the next day (Sat 8/22) but nothing yet, in fact on the site it is still "processing". Hey maybe Crosman is still checking me out somehow since these are my first-two-ever orders from them direct and I used the Airgun Nation discount code of which I am not a signed up member!
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Does anyone know if the magazines and single shot tray for Puncher work with the new Benjamin’s?
Thanks,
Bryan
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Does anyone know if the magazines and single shot tray for Puncher work with the new Benjamin’s?
Thanks,
Bryan
They do NOT, the Puncher magazines are wider. Other than that the magazines look alike and insert into the breech the same.
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Does anyone know if the magazines and single shot tray for Puncher work with the new Benjamin’s?
Thanks,
Bryan
They do NOT, the Puncher magazines are wider. Other than that the magazines look alike and insert into the breech the same.
Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it.
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Paul, Scott and Wayne, thanks for trying to help me out here, at first I read some reassuring answers when I inquired on a specific thread I started earlier, to ask about this.
But now the timing is making me think - I ordered at 11:34 am on Friday 8/21. That's earlier than at least one of you guys' orders, yet still nothing. Hmmm...maybe it IS those hurricanes, but shouldn't I have at least received a tracking number?
Ordered mine on a Friday shipped the next Monday recieved on Wednesday a few weeks ago.
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Should I order another? Hmm.. Which one will be next? Heck, I may end up with one of each eventually... :-X
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Should I order another? Hmm.. Which one will be next? Heck, I may end up with one of each eventually... :-X
My Akela will be in the classifieds in a week or so and even better priced than a new one with better performance to boot.
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Should I order another? Hmm.. Which one will be next? Heck, I may end up with one of each eventually... :-X
My Akela will be in the classifieds in a week or so and even better priced than a new one with better performance to boot.
What’s up Troy? Give us the truth brother.
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Should I order another? Hmm.. Which one will be next? Heck, I may end up with one of each eventually... :-X
My Akela will be in the classifieds in a week or so and even better priced than a new one with better performance to boot.
What’s up Troy, give use the truth brother.
Nothing's up. Fantastic fun. Only bought it to get the measurements and test the tuning methods. Even though the valve stem and valve itself are identical to the Kral Jumbo, the valve drop block is just different enough that my valve design doesn't fit. I'll be using a more conventional way to squeeze a little more performance from it and test a few things then put it on the block. It was NEVER a keep gun for me. It was bought with full intention of resale. Has to be one of the best sub $600 bullpups made. Benjamin made great design changes for their guns and no doubt they will gain traction. I'll tune this one to an accurate 48 shots in the 30fpe range and find her a new home. The first test gun always gets a few marks on it because it's taken apart so much so this one could never be sold as a new tuned gun so I'll let someone enjoy the work and education I've gotten at a discount. Wouldn't hesitate to buy any one of the three if I was in the market for a keeper gun.
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Thanks for the honest input, I really appreciate that 8)
That gun should sell like a Big Stack of Hot Gourmet Pancakes!!
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Thanks for the honest input, I really appreciate that 8)
That gun should sell like a Big Stack of Hot Gourmet Pancakes!!
I hope so. It'll be hard to find another gun with this performance tuned for $400.
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Thanks for the honest input, I really appreciate that 8)
That gun should sell like a Big Stack of Hot Gourmet Pancakes!!
I hope so. It'll be hard to find another gun with this performance tuned for $400.
Done deal, I will put my coin down on your dialed-in prototype, let me know when you are ready and we can make it official
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Thanks for the honest input, I really appreciate that 8)
That gun should sell like a Big Stack of Hot Gourmet Pancakes!!
I hope so. It'll be hard to find another gun with this performance tuned for $400.
Done deal, I will put my coin down on your dialed-in prototype, let me know when you are ready and we can make it official
Dave, now all you need is a Kratos for a matched set!
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I have just enough mad money left to cover a session with my therapist 🤣
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I have just enough mad money left to cover a session with my therapist 🤣
Or a big stack of pancakes.
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I have just enough mad money left to cover a session with my therapist 🤣
Or a big stack of pancakes.
Or pellets... lots and lots of pellets!
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Just checked and my Cayden is scheduled for delivery Wendnesday.
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My Akela has shipped, scheduled to get here Thursday!!!!
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Wayne and David, you guys are killin' me. Because I, too, got a shipping notice - but it was for ONLY the scope?!?!?! I ordered the Akela the same day (Friday the 21st) at about 11:30 am...
So maybe I made a (just-now-realized) mistake of ordering a scope the very next day (Sat, 22nd) when they had those half-off deals and perhaps for some reason they fixated on my scope order and not my Akela because perhaps Paid-For shipping items go out first?
I dunno, but this is getting to be a real test of patience...
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Wayne and David, you guys are killin' me. Because I, too, got a shipping notice - but it was for ONLY the scope?!?!?! I ordered the Akela the same day (Friday the 21st) at about 11:30 am...
So maybe I made a (just-now-realized) mistake of ordering a scope the very next day (Sat, 22nd) when they had those half-off deals and perhaps for some reason they fixated on my scope order and not my Akela because perhaps Paid-For shipping items go out first?
I dunno, but this is getting to be a real test of patience...
I ordered my Akela on Saturday and got my shipment notification today. Hopefully your notification is coming between today and tomorrow. Good luck.
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I also ordered a BSA scope for my Cayden however haven't gotten anything in regards to a shipping notice for it yet.
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Okay guys problem solved, I did indeed receive a notice from Crosman but it is completely invisible in all my emails, only the notice for the scope showed up.
So I called Crosman direct and they verified all this, said the Akela should be here by Monday the 31st. 8)
I don't even care about the CenterPoint scope at this point (I have other scopes) but I just really want to lay my hands on that beautiful wood (yeah, she said that last night too, but then I woke up). ;D
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Outstanding Charlie!
Not about your dream... but about your Akela.
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Okay guys problem solved, I did indeed receive a notice from Crosman but it is completely invisible in all my emails, only the notice for the scope showed up.
So I called Crosman direct and they verified all this, said the Akela should be here by Monday the 31st. 8)
I don't even care about the CenterPoint scope at this point (I have other scopes) but I just really want to lay my hands on that beautiful wood (yeah, she said that last night too, but then I woke up). ;D
Just an FYI, that scope takes 1" rings, not 30mm! Don't get me wrong, the glass is crystal clear and in focus to the edges! A very nice scope, but they don't come with rings, so if you don't have a set of 1" Picatinny rings on hand, you may want to grab a set before the scope and rifle arrive!
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Outstanding Charlie!
Not about your dream... but about your Akela.
;D ;D ;D
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Very glad to see the Akela club growing. All the new Crosman guns have a nice buzz about. I have not owned a Kral airgun before, but the combination of Crosman engineering and Kral manufacturing have produced some exiting new toys at great price/performance curves. (At least with the current promotions available)
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Okay guys problem solved, I did indeed receive a notice from Crosman but it is completely invisible in all my emails, only the notice for the scope showed up.
So I called Crosman direct and they verified all this, said the Akela should be here by Monday the 31st. 8)
I don't even care about the CenterPoint scope at this point (I have other scopes) but I just really want to lay my hands on that beautiful wood (yeah, she said that last night too, but then I woke up). ;D
Just an FYI, that scope takes 1" rings, not 30mm! Don't get me wrong, the glass is crystal clear and in focus to the edges! A very nice scope, but they don't come with rings, so if you don't have a set of 1" Picatinny rings on hand, you may want to grab a set before the scope and rifle arrive!
Thanks Paul, although I did have to order a set of 30's for another scope I just got in, it's my first so I happen to have a couple sets of 1" rings still laying around -- not sure if they are high or medium I'll have to take a look. Is the front bell that big? I am hoping with the elevated pic rail on the Akela I can get away with medium height rings in case that's all I have.
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Very glad to see the Akela club growing. All the new Crosman guns have a nice buzz about. I have not owned a Kral airgun before, but the combination of Crosman engineering and Kral manufacturing have produced some exiting new toys at great price/performance curves. (At least with the current promotions available)
I too have never owned a Turkish gun before (thought about a Hatsan bullpup for a while till I ordered the Akela) and look forward to joining the The Club. 8)
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Okay guys problem solved, I did indeed receive a notice from Crosman but it is completely invisible in all my emails, only the notice for the scope showed up.
So I called Crosman direct and they verified all this, said the Akela should be here by Monday the 31st. 8)
I don't even care about the CenterPoint scope at this point (I have other scopes) but I just really want to lay my hands on that beautiful wood (yeah, she said that last night too, but then I woke up). ;D
Just an FYI, that scope takes 1" rings, not 30mm! Don't get me wrong, the glass is crystal clear and in focus to the edges! A very nice scope, but they don't come with rings, so if you don't have a set of 1" Picatinny rings on hand, you may want to grab a set before the scope and rifle arrive!
Thanks Paul, although I did have to order a set of 30's for another scope I just got in, it's my first so I happen to have a couple sets of 1" rings still laying around -- not sure if they are high or medium I'll have to take a look. Is the front bell that big? I am hoping with the elevated pic rail on the Akela I can get away with medium height rings in case that's all I have.
It's a 44mm bell, so you can probably use low rings on the Akela. I have medium rings on my Cayden, but that's so it clears the magazine.
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Very glad to see the Akela club growing. All the new Crosman guns have a nice buzz about. I have not owned a Kral airgun before, but the combination of Crosman engineering and Kral manufacturing have produced some exiting new toys at great price/performance curves. (At least with the current promotions available)
I too have never owned a Turkish gun before (thought about a Hatsan bullpup for a while till I ordered the Akela) and look forward to joining the The Club. 8)
These are much more refined than most of Hatsan's offerings. The lever action is much lighter and smoother than the Hatsan. In fact, it's close to being the same as my FX Crown!
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Paul, Thanks for those bits of info, especially about the lever action feel. And yes the 1" rings I have are indeed medium height. Even more to look forward to now.
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I'll be starting out over the chrony with my "Magnum Hunter" pellets @ 23 grain on high power tomorrow when my Cayden gets here (or soon after) I have the mold and lead warming up right now getting ready to cast up a bunch. I've had very nice results shooting these from my Airmax Dominator and hopefully I get great results from the Cayden as well, I really won't find out until I get out in the woods with it.
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All - We are insanely busy right now. They are trying to process orders as quickly as they can. Having these three guns all hit at one time in conjunction with the SAM release, plus the added sales due to COVID things are busy here. Anyone want a job building guns??? We are looking for people!
I am glad you all are enjoying the new offerings. I picked up an Akela and so far really like it. It pushes the 14.3s at 1000fps+. A few of us Crosman employees were shooting the other night and I pulled the Akela out. Most had not shot it yet. Everyone that picked it up could hit spinners at 50 yards off hand with Crosman Hollow points. The accuracy and smoothness of the action left an impression and probably lead to a few sales. I look forward to seeing what modifications and tunes you all come up with.
John
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All - We are insanely busy right now. They are trying to process orders as quickly as they can. Having these three guns all hit at one time in conjunction with the SAM release, plus the added sales due to COVID things are busy here. Anyone want a job building guns??? We are looking for people!
I am glad you all are enjoying the new offerings. I picked up an Akela and so far really like it. It pushes the 14.3s at 1000fps+. A few of us Crosman employees were shooting the other night and I pulled the Akela out. Most had not shot it yet. Everyone that picked it up could hit spinners at 50 yards off hand with Crosman Hollow points. The accuracy and smoothness of the action left an impression and probably lead to a few sales. I look forward to seeing what modifications and tunes you all come up with.
John
Very cool report! My Akela will be here Monday 8) 8) 8)
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
Ray, I find it interesting only the Kratos is available in .25... so far.
Bet it won't be long until the Akela and Cayden are as well.
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
Ray, I find it interesting only the Kratos is available in .25... so far.
Bet it won't be long until the Akela and Cayden are as well.
Has anyone heard if these will be available in .177cal?
All - We are insanely busy right now. They are trying to process orders as quickly as they can. Having these three guns all hit at one time in conjunction with the SAM release, plus the added sales due to COVID things are busy here. Anyone want a job building guns??? We are looking for people!
I am glad you all are enjoying the new offerings. I picked up an Akela and so far really like it. It pushes the 14.3s at 1000fps+. A few of us Crosman employees were shooting the other night and I pulled the Akela out. Most had not shot it yet. Everyone that picked it up could hit spinners at 50 yards off hand with Crosman Hollow points. The accuracy and smoothness of the action left an impression and probably lead to a few sales. I look forward to seeing what modifications and tunes you all come up with.
John
John, I would love to build airguns for a living, but the commute would be a little far :P
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
Ray, I find it interesting only the Kratos is available in .25... so far.
Bet it won't be long until the Akela and Cayden are as well.
I found that interesting as well. Anybody have any insights on this?
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
Ray, I find it interesting only the Kratos is available in .25... so far.
Bet it won't be long until the Akela and Cayden are as well.
I found that interesting as well. Anybody have any insights on this?
In addition to the largest air capacity, does the Kratos have the longest barrel or something, too?
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The overall length of the Kratos is only 3" longer than the Cayden. My bet would be they all have the same length barrel, but because the Kratos is shrouded and the Cayden isn't, that probably accounts for the extra length.
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
Ray, I find it interesting only the Kratos is available in .25... so far.
Bet it won't be long until the Akela and Cayden are as well.
I found that interesting as well. Anybody have any insights on this?
In addition to the largest air capacity, does the Kratos have the longest barrel or something, too?
Pretty certain the Cayden has the longest barrel extending past the 330cc cylinder where the Akela is short of the 280cc cylinder. Kratos I think shares the Akela barrel and shroud.
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My Kratos measures 23-11/16th from the (shrouded) muzzle to the beech.
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I feel like I need an Akela. .25 would be nice though.
Ray, I find it interesting only the Kratos is available in .25... so far.
Bet it won't be long until the Akela and Cayden are as well.
I found that interesting as well. Anybody have any insights on this?
In addition to the largest air capacity, does the Kratos have the longest barrel or something, too?
Pretty certain the Cayden has the longest barrel extending past the 330cc cylinder where the Akela is short of the 280cc cylinder. Kratos I think shares the Akela barrel and shroud.
Troy, I think you may be right. There seems to be a 2-inch (1.97") difference:
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So about 5" worth of shroud baffling on the Kratos, like a shorter, narrow diameter moderator...
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Is the cayden only 280cc or is it the 330cc tube from the mega?
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Is the cayden only 280cc or is it the 330cc tube from the mega?
280cc
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When I took my Cayden out in the woods yesterday it took about 8 shots and I had it sighted in good I had it on full power and did a 50 yard 6 shot group with one of my pin up targets.
https://youtu.be/uaby7W_aQYY
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Nothin wrong with that !! Field gun at 50 heck yea !!
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I had the pleasure of hanging out with Scott (Motorhead) over at his place for a couple hours earlier today. He was curious and interested to see what one of these new Turkish Benjamin’s looked like on the inside. I sat beside him watching and learning, while he tore into the trigger to see how it could be adjusted or improved. He ended up stripping the gun down as far as it possibly could be without depressurizing. After hand polishing and lubing every single component he reassembled everything along with some “Motorhead Magic” 8) Now she is so buttery smooth to cock, and the trigger really feels great! Thanks again Mr. Motorhead sir!!
In case you fella’s would be interested I did snap a couple pics while it was apart.
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I had the pleasure of hanging out with Scott (Motorhead) over at his place for a couple hours earlier today. He was curious and interested to see what one of these new Turkish Benjamin’s looked like on the inside. I sat beside him watching and learning, while he tore into the trigger to see how it could be adjusted or improved. He ended up stripping the gun down as far as it possibly could be without depressurizing. After hand polishing and lubing every single component he reassembled everything along with some “Motorhead Magic” 8) Now she is so buttery smooth to cock, and the trigger really feels great! Thanks again Mr. Motörhead sir!!
In case you fella’s would be interested I did snap a couple pics while it was apart.
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Dave, Scott looks to be one happy airgunsmith in the bottom pic!
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Scott’s a hoot to hang out with not to mention he is a walking encyclopedia of knowledge on many various topics! An observant person could really soak up a lot of info from him that’s for certain.
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This post is for Gear_Junkie...
Scott told me that for the most part he just plain refuses to work on Kral guns anymore, but then admitted he was pleasantly pleased with improved general quality and overall design of these new Turkish Benjamin imports... (not his exact words but along those lines)
;D
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Lol .... A little bird said , yea I'll work on those "Turkjamin" rifles should the inquire happen.
Being the Cayden is a tube gun, In-Tube HuMa regulation at this juncture looks feasible as well.
For a 500/600 dollar price point PCP, what I've seen so far gets my nod of approval. For what ever that's worth ::)
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For a 500/600 dollar price point PCP, what I've seen so far gets my nod of approval. For what ever that's worth ::)
BAM!! There ya go, Motorhead Approved 👍🏻 😎
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Thanks guys, that's good news!!! Now they just need to come out with a .177cal.
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Those 4 small cap head screws that hold the rear Pic rail and contain the side level and bolt are shallow and pretty soft. I picked up some 12.9grade with deeper well screws from home depot and upgraded after two of mine stripped. As most people will never remove them it's more of a caution to those of us who tinker.
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I love this thread!
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This thread has put the Avenger on the back burner. The Turkish Benjamin's looks like another winner.
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Awesome thread. Thanks for all the info!!
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Since this is the most popular thread on the new Benjis... and the most diverse gathering...
How stiff are your power adjusters?
Mine is very stiff, at least compared to my air Arms S400 SL.
Maybe it's because half of the knob is recessed in the stock so you can not fully wrap your finger / thumb around it.
I guess that is better than being loose, it certainly will stay where you set it. ::)
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Since this is the most popular thread on the new Benjis... and the most diverse gathering...
How stiff are your power adjusters?
Mine is very stiff, at least compared to my air Arms S400 SL.
Maybe it's because half of the knob is recessed in the stock so you can not fully wrap your finger / thumb around it.
I guess that is better than being loose, it certainly will stay where you set it. ::)
My adjuster is stiff also.
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Yep, mine is pretty hard to turn also. I think they could have made the knob a bit larger in diameter as well, especially since half of it is recessed into the stock. I think that would have made it easier to adjust. But, other than moving it twice just to get some chrony readings, it's been left on max, so it probably doesn't really matter that much to me...
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Whew.. that is good to hear.
I sprayed a little "dry silicone" lube on mine and it seems a bit easier.
IF it really bothers me in the long run, a little dremmel sanding roll relief on the stock will get me a better GRIP.
Mine has been residing at the mid point except for testing...
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Whew.. that is good to hear.
I sprayed a little "dry silicone" lube on mine and it seems a bit easier.
IF it really bothers me in the long run, a little dremmel sanding roll relief on the stock will get me a better GRIP.
Mine has been residing at the mid point except for testing...
There's a small set screw that holds a spring and retainer pin just to the side of the barrel retainer screw. A partial turn out should loosen some pressure from the adjuster without fear of it falling out.
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As with all o-rings .. they will take a set and harden over time making the adjuster very likely EASIER to rotate as time passes.
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My adjuster is no different than everyone else's VERY STIFF !!!
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;D :o ;D
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My main objective with my Cayden at the moment is getting a couple more magazines for it ??? I haven't found anyone that's offering them yet . . . . Crosman doesn't even offer them yet I don't think.
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I'm adding that picture of Scott's rogueish smiling face, working on that new rifle, to his profile picture in my contacts. Good times
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Yes Wayne... I would like two more Mags as well.
But an EVP would be AWESOME!
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EVP manual is also something I'd really like to have too Scott.
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Is there a slot for the power adjuster - on the Other side? Where the markings are? Maybe a flathead screwdriver would make turning the adjustment up and down a bit easier?
Can't verify, for some reason mine STILL ain't here...
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Is there a slot for the power adjuster - on the Other side? Where the markings are? Maybe a flathead screwdriver would make turning the adjustment up and down a bit easier?
Can't verify, for some reason mine STILL ain't here...
IIRC the slot on other side of knob is very shallow and just used to indicate with the scale where it's set at. IT's NOT a SCREW DRIVER SLOT !
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Definitely not a slot for a screwdriver... Just an indicator.
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Scott (Motorhead) and Scott (HoosierDaddy), so noted. Thanks! I would not have been forced to ask such a dumb question if I already had mine... :o
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I would not have been forced to ask such a dumb question if I already had mine... :o
No dumb questions!!!!
So, I will just say... A Kratos is a Pellet eating machine!
With two 12 shot mags... and a 500cc Bottle. I burnt though a half a 500 count tin sitting in my back yard today. :o
She is shooting spot on at 50y from 3000psi down to 1000! With 4 refills, I am gonna have a "kink" in my neck tomorrow!
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I would not have been forced to ask such a dumb question if I already had mine... :o
No dumb questions!!!!
So, I will just say... A Kratos is a Pellet eating machine!
With two 12 shot mags... and a 500cc Bottle. I burnt though a half a 500 count tin sitting in my back yard today. :o
She is shooting spot on at 50y from 3000psi down to 1000! With 4 refills, I am gonna have a "kink" in my neck tomorrow!
Scott, I know you are on the bottle (:o) yet my Akela will only be 280cc, but are all these shots from 3000psi down to 1000psi with your power setting still at midpoint?
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Here's another nine shots on video with mine.
https://youtu.be/2Xlug90PpwE
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Scott, I know you are on the bottle (:o) yet my Akela will only be 280cc, but are all these shots from 3000psi down to 1000psi with your power setting still at midpoint?
Yep, right at the mid point
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My Akeela should be here tomorrow! I don't know if I have seen it mentioned anywhere and without rereading everything... Do these guns come with SSTs?
Thanks
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My Akeela should be here tomorrow! I don't know if I have seen it mentioned anywhere and without rereading everything... Do these guns come with SSTs?
Thanks
Ray, that's a good question. I ran a Google search just now and no mention of any single shot tray...
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I was just speaking to a guy at work about 3D printing one.
If we move forward with it I will share the file on the 3D Gate
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I’ve been having some fun today running through a tin of CPHP’s from the shade of my deck... shooting from a Bog Deathgrip for now until I can build a permanent bench. I’m really loving the Deathgrip, why did I hesitate so long on that handy item?!? 🤪 I am looking forward to bringing this thing ATV camping on my next trip out in the Sierra Nevada high desert!
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Nice group Dave! Never heard of Deathgrip. I use a Stinger now on a MTM Folding shooting table but like the idea of a single unit providing all the support.
Hey, don’t shoot your bbq! :D
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Yes sir! Gotta watch out for the Weber! :o ;D
Hard to tell from my crappy phone pics, but I do have a few feet of clearance there. ;)
It was too hot to bust out the Chrony today so I figured I would do a (unscientific/non-reproducible) shot-count test haha! I went through 6 full 12rnd mags from a 3k fill down to 1.6k for 72 shot total using 14.3gr CPHP’s with my power setting adjusted ever-so-slightly beyond the half-power mark... from my gun that equates close to 875fps average which works out to be around 24 ft lbs-ish... the targets are only approximately 30 yards out, but I am confident this gun is capable of doing much better with some practice on my end (or maybe someone else behind the trigger?!) 🤣?
In this photo I used the lowest target first for 2 full mags (24 shots) and then worked my way up the targets 2 mags each. Still could have squeezed out another mag possibly!
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The black “10 ring” is 1” diameter on these sticky targets in case you are wondering 👍🏻 Either way they may run, I’d say that is minute of pest-rodent 😵
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Dave those three single-ragged-hole groups look awesome.
Also the 72-shot count at about half-power with maybe another mag to go? Efficient gun! Might probably be even a bit More efficient with heavier pellets as well. Liking these Turkish more and more!
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Tom Gaylord has Part I up on the Airgun Academy blog for the Benjamin Cayden...
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Link?
For the first time in my "Airgun History" I bet I have more pellets shot of a certain gun format than the "God-Father".
Would love to read his impression.
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Link?
For the first time in my "Airgun History" I bet I have more pellets shot of a certain gun format than the "God-Father".
Would love to read his impression.
I'm new here, can't link or share pictures yet...
It's on the Pyramyd Air Airgun Academy blog, or google "Benjamin Cayden" and limit results to only this week. It's only an introduction to the Cayden, whenever Part 2 comes that is what will have more of the impressions.
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"Tanks" Paul!
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And since I'm here.... I got my Cayden in late last week, my first PCP and air rifle in a LOOOONG time. This thread helped me feel good in going with it.
I currently have a Meprolight M21 reflex sight [ring & dot reticle version] mounted to it (temporary until the scope I want for it becomes available again) and the DonnyFL Tanto 'moderator' should be in before 8pm tonight according to FedEx. Haven't shot it yet due to weather and work schedule, but did dry fire it to get the pressure down to 300bar from it's higher as shipped pressure... which is why I wanted to get moderator for it.. was a bit too loud with no hearing protection and had that sharp edge to the sound. The Tanto should be enough for it. I do very much like the trigger feel of it... not as nice as my Savage .308 Win with Accutrigger, but still very nice light trigger with minimal creep. Looking forward to getting some time with it this weekend.
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Thanks for the heads up Paul! Here is the link —->
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/09/the-benjamin-cayden-part-1/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/09/the-benjamin-cayden-part-1/)
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"Tanks" Paul!
Yer 'velcum'... ;D
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I currently have a Meprolight M21 reflex sight [ring & dot reticle version] mounted to it...
Post a pic of that setup when you get a chance, I’d be interested how tight of a group you could pull off with that type of sight @ 30 yards?!
Congratulations on your purchase, I’m really enjoying mine 😎
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Thanks for the heads up Paul! Here is the link —->
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/09/the-benjamin-cayden-part-1/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2020/09/the-benjamin-cayden-part-1/)
Got it!
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I currently have a Meprolight M21 reflex sight [ring & dot reticle version] mounted to it...
Post a pic of that setup when you get a chance, I’d be interested how tight of a group you could pull off with that type of sight @ 30 yards?!
Congratulations on your purchase, I’m really enjoying mine 😎
Already have pictures ready to go whenever I can post them. Previously had the M21 mounted on a SIG 522, and if it is any indication, the group will be 'okay' but not great, don't expect a single hole. I do much better with scopes than open sights, red-dots/holographic/reflex sights I'm 'okayish' but definitely not as precise as with a scope...
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Okay, I have some data points now that I received the DonnyFL Tanto (0.25" bore).
Using my ExTech 407730 SLM in A-weighted Fast mode with max hold and meter placed perpendicular to muzzle @ 3' and Cayden power adjuster set just higher than 1/2 way mark, I measured 80.8dB dry fired in my small living room. With the Tanto body unscrewed from the cone adapter (so just the cone adapter on the muzzle threads, I was reading right at 86dB dry fired. So about a 5 dB reduction it seems and it does lower the higher frequency tones more to soften it. Takes just enough edge off it, should be better outside though.
P.S. With the Tanto and power adjuster on max it's 81.5dB, and with power adjuster on minimum it's 74.5dB.
With Tanto fully removed, it's 86.5dB (max setting)/79.9dB(min setting).
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Thanks for the report, looking forward to the pics once you are able to share 👍🏻
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Sorry guys and gals, I’ve done a poor job of keeping this thread updated!
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THAT is a thing of mechanical beauty!!!
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I received my Benjamin Kratos yesterday. I ordered the gun on Black Friday morning. It took exactly 1 week to get here. I have to say AOA did a fantastic job of packaging up the gun. I went over the gun and it arrived in perfect condition.
I know these are Kral guns made to Crosman's specs. I have 2 Krals one is in .22 cal. I thought for sure the mags would be interchangeable. They look the same but the Kratos mags are not as thick darn...
The only thing I would be a little critical of is that you have to take the barrel out of the receiver to remove the shroud. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this. I ended up using a mop with ballistol on it to clean the barrel. I didn't feel like taking the barrel assembly off this time. I'll shoot the gun and see what happens. Hopefully i have a great shooter fingers are crossed.
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I was out in the woods today with my Cayden, it was the first I've shot it in about a month I only shot it a few times but it was still dead on for accuracy.
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I received my Benjamin Kratos yesterday. I ordered the gun on Black Friday morning. It took exactly 1 week to get here. I have to say AOA did a fantastic job of packaging up the gun. I went over the gun and it arrived in perfect condition.
I know these are Kral guns made to Crosman's specs. I have 2 Krals one is in .22 cal. I thought for sure the mags would be interchangeable. They look the same but the Kratos mags are not as thick darn...
The only thing I would be a little critical of is that you have to take the barrel out of the receiver to remove the shroud. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this. I ended up using a mop with ballistol on it to clean the barrel. I didn't feel like taking the barrel assembly off this time. I'll shoot the gun and see what happens. Hopefully i have a great shooter fingers are crossed.
Shroud will unscrew and pull off without removing the barrel. The rear fitting is attached with a grub screw that fits in to a barrel detent
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If we are being honest, I have a confession to make also... :o
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OUTSTANDING DAVE!
Hope you like it as much as I like mine.
As an update of my own... my Kratos has been shooting consistently nice 50 yard groups with the FX 15.9g pellets at mid power since I changed to a Discovery VT-2 6-24X44 scope.
Once spring gets here or maybe a fluke warm spell.. I will stretch her legs to 100+ but for the foreseeable near future she will be pulling 10M indoor match duty
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So far I am loving the Kratos! I decided to stick with .22 cal so now between the two rifles I have 4 interchangeable magazines, and the stocks feel nearly identical as well so it’s almost difficult to tell them apart while shooting... until I get past that 4th mag and the Kratos is still wanting to play! 8)
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If we are being honest, I have a confession to make also... :o
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*LIKE*
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Troy thanks for the tip on shroud removal.
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If you are in need of additional spare magazines you will need to call Crosman directly as they are not yet listed on their website.
These should be the correct part #’s —->
CR-088-22 (.22 cal)
CR-088-25 (.25 cal)
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THANK YOU!!!
It was posted earlier but my search efforts did not find it.
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Well some delayed pictures, since believe can post them now...
Here's closeup of the Cayden with the Meprolight M21 reflex sight:
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Haven't had much chance to shoot it outside, but did shoot it inside yesterday and this evening... was trying to put a Hawke Airmax 4-12x40 AMX on it but cheap rings I got are messed up and way out of alignment. Had originally bought medium Leupold PRW2 precision rings to use (my go to rings), but they are too short to clear the magazine... so back on went the Meprolight M21. Only have 28 feet from target to Tanto in a hallway (~33' door to wall) ... and using my audio rack on wheels as a bench:
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Bandana used to dim down the reticle... a bit too bright otherwise. Here's kind of a view of the reticle... perspective and size is off compared to when actually looking through it...it's noticeably larger with a narrower FOV when actually looking through it at correct distance on comb.
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After two magazines worth of JSB Jumbo Diabolo 15.89 pellets getting dialed in and feeling good, with pressure @ 2500psi I then shot this target (shot order was top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center):
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Then tonight, just now, took it out and just did quick 5 shot group at a 1" circle outline shoot-n-see dot. Hardest part is centering the sight over the circle since reticle is fairly thick and covering it a bit (which is why dimming it with bandana helps...to make it more translucent). Pretty sure the only reason the group is as large as it is is because hard to get sight picture precisely lined up same every shot like you can with a scope:
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Really do like it for close in even if it's not as precise as a scope... I have about 25 yards in my back yards that I'll eventually try it out at with the M21 sight before get good set of rings and mount the Hawke Airmax 4-12x40 AMX. Originally got it for a SIG 522 which mainly shot around 20-25 yards with. Would like to transfer the M21 sight to an air pistol... have one coming in the end of this week but no rails on it since it's an SSP target pistol. I am however, very interested in the Reximex RP, which does have rails... ;D Would want to get a cantilever adapter rail for it though since not sure there is enough slots to fit the M21 for both front and rear locking points, plus balance would be better with it moved more rearward just in front of magazine.
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Has anyone else had a problem with the Cayden barrel being pushed to one side or the other? Just received mine and it was obviously angled, I loosened the barrel retention screws from the receiver and then the brace at the muzzle end of the barrel. Straightened it out by eye and then retightened first the barrel retention screws. Hardly a controlled system, but should I be concerned? I haven't scoped or shot it yet, I'm wondering if I should return it, or carry on...
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theyre a solid platform to tweak in .. how i see the craftsman series, no i wouldnt worry, i have all 3 .. if you really dig deeper youll find other things that can use some attention, but bottom line is generally - they shoot pretty good ... ports usually need to be cleaned up, orings checked, and they got one heckuva tight choke, so keep that in mind ..
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my .22 Cayden has been awesome over the last 1.5 years. Shoots great, especially the cheap 14.3 gr Crossman pellets. Side lever action is smooth and has a very good trigger.
The excellent wood stock is a bonus.
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Are there any tear down videos or blogs online? I can't find any. Not that I want to mod it or anything, just want to know for reference.
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ive seen a pretty good one on youtube from a guy in the uk .. theyre pretty simple and straightforward though, the best tip ive seen is theres a bleeder plug by the fill nipple for the tank .. another tip i havent seen that i figured out is you can use a suitable drill shank through the back barrel set screw hole and that accesses the air port passage all the way to the valve block, which should be indexed to face directly up the passageway .. and and you can feather out the valveblock port 'away' from the oring groove with a barrel shaped ~ 1/8" diamond bit in a DRILL so you port match and get it the same size as the rest of the ports .. they leave it small to avoid breaking into that oring groove ..