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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: grand-galop on July 14, 2020, 09:08:17 PM
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Hi guys!!
Since i started to play with pcp's, the only platform i have use is the qb..
I'm ready to buy something different with less maintenance
Regardless of price and brand, what is your take on the most durable and maintenance free rifle out there..
Tha qb were aviable at my local CANADIAN TIRE and easy to acces...
For a while now i do business with Wesley at AIRGUNANDARCHERY and pleased with his service...
If someone know a solid carefree rifle that Wesley has in stock, let me know..
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What type of maintenance was required on your QB?
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Most PCPs don't really need much maintenance at all.
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Since i got it regged at 1500psi, it pop seal in the tubeevery 3 or 4 month and the probe seal too.
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Since i got it regged at 1500psi, it pop seal in the tubeevery 3 or 4 month and the probe seal too.
Well if the things you have done are acceptable to the gun then to me I would consider it was a poorly designed (coming from someone who know nothing about that gun).
I operate my FX Crown with-in the parameters of the gun and have had no issues in two years that were not user errors.
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;D since it is your $ here it goes, not sure what version you want, but some good ecinomical choices and parts etc.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/diana-stormrider-high-power-version/
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/diana-stormrider/
Or if this is your style ... https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/xisico-705-sentry-hc-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle/
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FX and Daystate are great high quality PCP’s.
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;D since it is your $ here it goes, not sure what version you want, but some good ecinomical choices and parts etc.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/diana-stormrider-high-power-version/
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/diana-stormrider/
Or if this is your style ... https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/xisico-705-sentry-hc-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle/
The Xisico Sentry is a cousin of the Qb line..
I wonder if they put different o-ring..
I like the idea..
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FX and Daystate are great high quality PCP’s.
Fx is a beaty but from what i read from different user of this forum, you have to get more precision and skill to work on them..
Due to it's complexity, it is not on my list but it is a rifle that i like however..
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Is it possible that Airforce a more durable and less complicated rifle to work with???
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Is it possible that Airforce a more durable and less complicated rifle to work with???
That is one reason my 2nd PCP was an AirForce, not much can go wrong and easy maintenance, First PCP was a Sam Yang Recluse, another basic design, not as easy to work on as an Air Force .
Both have been trouble free for years, I did have an air gauge go bad on my Escape, and Air Force sent a new one free and fast, good warranty.
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Is it possible that Airforce a more durable and less complicated rifle to work with???
That is one reason my 2nd PCP was an AirForce, not much can go wrong and easy maintenance, First PCP was a Sam Yang Recluse, another basic design, not as easy to work on as an Air Force .
Both have been trouble free for years, I did have an air gauge go bad on my Escape, and Air Force sent a new one free and fast, good warranty.
That is what i was looking for..
Clear and precise ansewr to my problems.
I think i will get my choice on the Condor SS
I have watch a reverse tube kit on Alie Express a couple years back that would make it easier to shoot..
Thanks for the précision and advice.
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Most PCPs don't really need much maintenance at all.
Practical nothing - not leaking, nothing to do really. A drop of silicon oil on probe seal and the like.
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If you're leaning towards CondorSS then also get the Talon Tunes tank adapter. It drops the tank down 1' (2.54cm) AND you can also simultaneosly rotate the adapter to move the tank left or right. I'm NOT in any way associated with that company but I do own the tank adapter.
https://talontunes.com/shop/talon-tunes-tank-adapter/ (https://talontunes.com/shop/talon-tunes-tank-adapter/)
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You seem to be asking about two different things - low or no maintenance required, and easy to work on. If you are going to be working on it and modifying things, you will probably drive up the required maintenance as well. Just the nature of things.
For low/no maintenance, I'll attest to the Daystate. I have a 2011 Air Ranger that has never needed anything done to it. The only time it was ever degassed was to swap the 0.5L aluminum tank for a CF for weight reduction (something that by definition has increased the required maintenance, as it will eventually have to be replaced). I have been in the hammer end of the tube to tune with shims, and made a fully internal SSG for it, but that is it. I never do anything with it, other than shoot a pellet exactly where I want it to land - almost boringly perfect.
On the other hand, I have several Marauders that have not been maintenance free, but I take them apart and try different things with them so often it does not much matter. They are good guns, but not perfect, and thus need some care but they are so simple it is no issue. They are no where near as accurate as the Daystate, but I have fun with them (and in truth their accuracy is more than good enough for everything but competition).
Love them both for different reasons - I like to tinker, and the M-rods cover that, and I like great quality and rock solid performance and the Daystate covers that.
Based on your follow up posts, it seems like you are looking for a reliable platform with which to play. I have not owned any Air Force rifles, but in terms of quality and ability to be worked on they seem very good. I am thinking about getting an Edge though . . .
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The only PCP that's no/low maintenance is the one that no one ever owned, or the one your buddy has that he let's you use
Look at it this way. A PCP is a machine, that's made up of several parts and multiple seals. One or the other will eventually fail and render the entire unit non functional.
What you want to do is start looking at guns that use as few seals to hold hpa and discharge a charge of air, and has as few moving parts.
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The only PCP that's no/low maintenance is the one that no one ever owned, or the one your buddy has that he let's you use
Look at it this way. A PCP is a machine, that's made up of several parts and multiple seals. One or the other will eventually fail and render the entire unit non functional.
What you want to do is start looking at guns that use as few seals to hold hpa and discharge a charge of air, and has as few moving parts.
As you mentionned, Airforce has the least seals in the industry..
QB line is not complicated rifle to work on,but, as i dont have the chance to try anything different than rubber o-ring that i can buy locally at the hydraulick shop i decide to go with different platform..
If i dont mistake, the Airforce has7 o-ring to make it operationnal and 3 of them are sitting in the tank.. ::)
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Most hatsans have removeable air cylinders and if it leaks you do not have to take the whole gun apart to fix it. Theyre easy to work on with many spare parts available
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Maybe get a wrist rocket.
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;D since it is your $ here it goes, not sure what version you want, but some good ecinomical choices and parts etc.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/diana-stormrider-high-power-version/
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/diana-stormrider/
Or if this is your style ... https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/xisico-705-sentry-hc-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle/
The Xisico Sentry is a cousin of the Qb line..
I wonder if they put different o-ring..
I like the idea..
Are you sure? I always thought they were direct competitors
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Since there are so many pcps out there, I cant speak for every one...but generally most are very maintenance free. Rubber o rings on a fill probe or bolt probe are most common and take cents and seconds to repair. Other than those two (or a transfer port o ring in the barrel if your gun has one) I dont consider o ring replacement on a gun to be maintenance, I consider that repairs since theres no time intervals where replacing all the o rings in a gun is ever recommended. In comparison to a break barrel springer, pcps have basically no maintenance.
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I just have the cheap stuff, 4 Marauders, Hatsan and Gamo Urban and when it shows up, a Kral Puncher semi auto. If I were to advise someone on the first PCP, it probably would be the Urban. It's a simple accurate lightweight gun. The only issue is the cost of magazine's.
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Might be unrealistic.
They all rely on inxpensive o-rings to seal,and o-rings eventually degrade/harden/crack and leak. They are all going to leak sooner or later. Might go years...might leak tomorrow. That's pretty much expected.
Problem: the rifle will need to be taken apart to get to them. Some designs make that easier than others. I'm of the type that changes all the o-rings when I have the thing apart. Figuring if one leaked...and they all went in at the same time....then the others are close to leaking anyway.
(Would you take apart a gasoline engine to change one bad piston ring?)
I don't get upset the o-ring leaked...do sometimes wonder (and curse) at the needless complexity used in some designs.
Some of the PCPs I still shoot were bought new 10-15 years ago. Stuff leaks, you fix, get back to shooting.
If you are not inclined to DIY simple repairs,PCP'smay spend more time being shipped back and forth than they do being shot.
It's really rare to wear out a menchincal part (at least the ones that haven't been filed /drilled/lathed/ or otherwise weaked by modification). I'm just not going to count the breakages when folks modded something only to find out they can't un-mod it.
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FX and Daystate are great high quality PCP’s.
Fx is a beaty but from what i read from different user of this forum, you have to get more precision and skill to work on them..
Due to it's complexity, it is not on my list but it is a rifle that i like however..
I just had my FX Impact apart. It's no more complexed than my Marauders are, in fact probably easier to service, and still just springs, hammer and valve operated, nothing different. The thing the FX has different is more adjustability, and all of that is external. I think an FX Streamline would do for you. You can build one just like you like. A gun that can be handed down for generations, too.
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What kind of o-ring would be a great candidate to replace rubber o-ring ???
I have a complete kit of nitrile o-ring on ebay.
Since i already had 3 QB modified rifle , i would like to keep them and wonder if i can find o-ring that would be greater durability.
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What kind of o-ring would be a great candidate to replace rubber o-ring ???
I have a complete kit of nitrile o-ring on ebay.
Since i already had 3 QB modified rifle , i would like to keep them and wonder if i can find o-ring that would be greater durability.
What is the best o-ring replacement for air rifle???? ??? ???
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Weakest link: O-rings.
Which are made to be the weak link / cheap / made to be replaced. Also have a life-span.
As for long term servicing....the metal parts could last "forever"....but the O-rings will give up sooner or later.
For most of us on this froum, taking apart and changing 0-rings is no big deal. For some, it is a big deal.
No harm/no foul....I won'twillfully work on the houses electrical system.....some won't work on plumbing...some won't work on "jack"...some fix everything.
But the "blue skys/all is well" period of PCP's is the life span of the sealing units (O-rings).
IS IT WORSE?
YEah….likely it is...but a DIY fix is easier.
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FX and Daystate are great high quality PCP’s.
Fx is a beaty but from what i read from different user of this forum, you have to get more precision and skill to work on them..
Due to it's complexity, it is not on my list but it is a rifle that i like however..
I would say the ability to tune the FX Crown internally and externally is more complex but only because they were the first to come out with it. They have all the same components of other Airguns.
Here is how you can run an FX Crown to a specific pellet with an internal hammer adjustment. Although I have done very little work on any airgun and I’m sure I will feel nervous when I do this, I feel confident I can do it.
https://youtu.be/xxrDZmB5egU
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Weakest link: O-rings.
Which are made to be the weak link / cheap / made to be replaced. Also have a life-span.
As for long term servicing....the metal parts could last "forever"....but the O-rings will give up sooner or later.
For most of us on this froum, taking apart and changing 0-rings is no big deal. For some, it is a big deal.
No harm/no foul....I won'twillfully work on the houses electrical system.....some won't work on plumbing...some won't work on "jack"...some fix everything.
But the "blue skys/all is well" period of PCP's is the life span of the sealing units (O-rings).
IS IT WORSE?
YEah….likely it is...but a DIY fix is easier.
Weakest Link: Me
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The Crown is definitely the cats meow as far as I can see in the FX lineup and you pay for them too !!!
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The Crown is definitely the cats meow as far as I can see in the FX lineup and you pay for them too !!!
I resemble that remark. 😂😂😂
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The Crown is definitely the cats meow as far as I can see in the FX lineup and you pay for them too !!!
I resemble that remark. 😂😂😂
I was UNANIMOUS of not buying this one since i have watch ERNEST ROWE video ..
It is not in my league and i dont want to ruin a 1700$ gun trying to fix it...
My choice is pretty much LOCKED ON THE AIRFORCE CONDOR SS... ;D
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The Crown is definitely the cats meow as far as I can see in the FX lineup and you pay for them too !!!
I resemble that remark. 😂😂😂
I was UNANIMOUS of not buying this one since i have watch ERNEST ROWE video ..
It is not in my league and i dont want to ruin a 1700$ gun trying to fix it...
My choice is pretty much LOCKED ON THE AIRFORCE CONDOR SS... ;D
Oh the Crown is out of my league comparing it’s abilities to mine. I am my rifles worst enemy when it comes to accuracy, slowly but surely I’m learning hope to be a better shooter. I may not ever be as good as the Crown but the journey is enjoyable. Looking forward to spend more time shooting when the weather cools off, then the end of the year I retire.
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Good for you!!!! ;)