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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: stevemag on July 11, 2019, 09:37:34 PM
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Got out to pennsylvania to shoot again today.
I shot both the Hammerli 850 and the HW95 with just ok results.
The 850 has a 12 power scope while the 95 has a 7x. I shot them about even. I was kind of surprised by this. The 850 does have the new HPA bottle @1100 psi output. I think it still needs some breaking in. So at 25-50 yards all goes great. if i can see it i can hit it. . 1" or less groups down to tiny 1 hole groups. Tried 5 pellets that did well.
oh yeah, so the point of the story. any thing from either gun at 75 yards or more was just luck as far as hitting the target...
does one need a flatter shooting fast projectile to shoot good groups at 100 yards? Like say will a 177 @900fps out perform a 22 @700fps ? I mean i was aiming 2 feet over the target at 100 yards (zeroed@25 yards)Do i need a .22 going 950fps?
What has been your long range experience?
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Got out to pennsylvania to shoot again today.
I shot both the Hammerli 850 and the HW95 with just ok results.
The 850 has a 12 power scope while the 95 has a 7x. I shot them about even. I was kind of surprised by this. The 850 does have the new HPA bottle @1100 psi output. I think it still needs some breaking in. So at 25-50 yards all goes great. if i can see it i can hit it. . 1" or less groups down to tiny 1 hole groups. Tried 5 pellets that did well.
oh yeah, so the point of the story. any thing from either gun at 75 yards or more was just luck as far as hitting the target...
does one need a flatter shooting fast projectile to shoot good groups at 100 yards? Like say will a 177 @900fps out perform a 22 @700fps ? I mean i was aiming 2 feet over the target at 100 yards (zeroed@25 yards)Do i need a .22 going 950fps?
What has been your long range experience?
Some posts on the forum show about 100 yard hits with the HW95 or 97 (and perhaps others); but, it's my opinion that beyond 75 is where the PCPs really begin to shine while our springers/rams dull out quickly. I'm astounded to hear that a Hammerli, even on a HPA bottle was shooting similar to the HW95.
I have the HW95 and 97 in .177 but would never shoot it for results over 50 yards (or so). The guns might be accurate for another several yards, but I'm definitely not. Likewise, the heavier pellets (.22, .25) actually perform better (read that here on the forum) at distance than lighter pellets. Trajectory might be getting loopier but arrival and impact are supposedly better.
Best wishes in getting this sorted out.
Let the experts in guns and weighted grains help you out from here.
Archie
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im not as sure that the hammerli is bad or i was having a bad day, I think i am just learning to shoot the 95 much better from a rest. i usually only shoot the 95 off hand or elbows rested. so now that i figured out the bench it really shines.
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Anyone near Easton PA BTW, Easton fish and game has a nice range.
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I would agree that 75 to 80yds IMO is about max for best groups with a spring gun! I have shot some really good groups @75yds with a Diana 460mag .22cal, IMO other then the .20cal, a higher powered springer if you can shoot 1??? is probably a better choice for long range target shooting! I think 100yds is asking a lot for tight groups at that distance with a springer JMO, I have made plenty of kill shots on birds @100yds with a springer, but target shooting for precise groups is another story ::) not saying it can't be done but IMO everything about the gun and shooter better 100% to shoot those distances ;) JMO ;D
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Steve, is your 850 regged at 1100 psi? And is it shooting 900 fps with 7.9gr pellets?
Reason is I don't know what my reg is at but it is shooting 7.9 at like 780 fps. I think the reg on it is 800-900 psi. I have two other regs set at 1200 and 1800 psi. Curious what kind of performance I might expect. I did free flow the valve and used a Dominator spring.
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the 850 is in .22 shooting around 740 with 14.5 pellets@ 1100 psi . i guess my op was poorly worded
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I would agree that 75 to 80yds IMO is about max for best groups with a spring gun! I have shot some really good groups @75yds with a Diana 460mag .22cal, IMO other then the .20cal, a higher powered springer if you can shoot 1??? is probably a better choice for long range target shooting! I think 100yds is asking a lot for tight groups at that distance with a springer JMO, I have made plenty of kill shots on birds @100yds with a springer, but target shooting for precise groups is another story ::) not saying it can't be done but IMO everything about the gun and shooter better 100% to shoot those distances ;) JMO ;D
i'll have to set a target out at 75 yards next time i go.
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the 850 is in .22 shooting around 740 with 14.5 pellets@ 1100 psi . i guess my op was poorly worded
Ah. Ok so I'll try first with the 1200 PSI and that should get me mid to high 900 fps which is right where I'd want it. Thanks.
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Got out to pennsylvania to shoot again today.
I shot both the Hammerli 850 and the HW95 with just ok results.
The 850 has a 12 power scope while the 95 has a 7x. I shot them about even. I was kind of surprised by this. The 850 does have the new HPA bottle @1100 psi output. I think it still needs some breaking in. So at 25-50 yards all goes great. if i can see it i can hit it. . 1" or less groups down to tiny 1 hole groups. Tried 5 pellets that did well.
oh yeah, so the point of the story. any thing from either gun at 75 yards or more was just luck as far as hitting the target...
does one need a flatter shooting fast projectile to shoot good groups at 100 yards? Like say will a 177 @900fps out perform a 22 @700fps ? I mean i was aiming 2 feet over the target at 100 yards (zeroed@25 yards)Do i need a .22 going 950fps?
What has been your long range experience?
Some posts on the forum show about 100 yard hits with the HW95 or 97 (and perhaps others); but, it's my opinion that beyond 75 is where the PCPs really begin to shine while our springers/rams dull out quickly. I'm astounded to hear that a Hammerli, even on a HPA bottle was shooting similar to the HW95.
I have the HW95 and 97 in .177 but would never shoot it for results over 50 yards (or so). The guns might be accurate for another several yards, but I'm definitely not. Likewise, the heavier pellets (.22, .25) actually perform better (read that here on the forum) at distance than lighter pellets. Trajectory might be getting loopier but arrival and impact are supposedly better.
Best wishes in getting this sorted out.
Let the experts in guns and weighted grains help you out from here.
Archie
Archie,
The Hammerli 850s have excellent hammer forged barrels IIRC. I know my HPA setup even at sub 12 FPE is amazingly accurate and consistent. I don't know about the .22 barrels though.
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I had an 850 in .22 cal and it was very accurate.... If you can pick a day with no wind, I think it might surprise you at 100 yards.... Yes, there will be a lot of holdover, but with the right pellets (try JSB Exacts) the gun should be capable.... Check out the NUAH club in the Target shooting section.... "Nuttin' Under a Hundred".... Some guys that are members have done it with Springers, too, even in .177....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=205.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=205.0)
We have one member who qualified for Membership with a .22 cal Springer at 150M (164 yd)….
Bob
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I had an 850 in .22 cal and it was very accurate.... If you can pick a day with no wind, I think it might surprise you at 100 yards.... Yes, there will be a lot of holdover, but with the right pellets (try JSB Exacts) the gun should be capable.... Check out the NUAH club in the Target shooting section.... "Nuttin' Under a Hundred".... Some guys that are members have done it with Springers, too, even in .177....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=205.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=205.0)
We have one member who qualified for Membership with a .22 cal Springer at 150M (164 yd)….
Bob
Last week I managed a 3” group at 100 yards with the 95. I was lucky I think. Couldn’t come close yesterday.
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Join in the fun, there is always a 100 yd. match running.... You don't have to be able to score well to have a LOT of fun.... and you can use the same target to apply for Membership if you qualify.... The official printable targets are in the Rules Thread....
Bob
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I've experimented long range shooting with Theoben Eliminators in .20, .22, and .25. These are all gas piston.
Results with long range consistency proved using them beyond 45 yards was highly critical to do. Problem is the trigger. I kept the .25 and used it frequently to shoot squirrels on our long driveway (then) @ 50 or so yards but the pellets dropped way too fast to be good beyond 60 yards.
I've used PCPs and springers in .177, .20, .22, and .25. Add the .30 FX BOSS.
The PCPs are the only way to ensure accuracy out beyond 50 yards, no springer is good enough beyond 60 yards.
The springers are all finicky in individual ways even if they are the same model like the HW50S in .177 and .22.
Save the PCP for the long shot and if you use a springer for a hunting gun or go to gun or "bug out" gun I have some things to say about the HW35E being the pick for me.
I have powerful springers (HW80, HW97K, HW57, FWB Sport, and R9) and "medium" springers"
HW50S
HW35E
These two models have better accuracy at 30 yards than all the above, and the reason is consistency compared to power. Of the HW50 and HW35E the latter is the better choice of the two for me because it has more consistency in velocity spread as well as barrel locking latch returning the barrel back to the same exact lock up.
The cocking of the 35 is much easier and does not stack--the 50s stack at the end of the cocking stroke.
I believe the 35E represents the perfect self-powered air rifle for THE AIR PELLET to accurately hit out to 60 yards with enough KE for anything less than a coyote.
My answer to the question whether the pellet (propelled by any air rifle) can be depended upon to do anything right beyond 60 yards consistently again and again with any rifle Lothar Rifled or Anschutz doesn't matter. You will see the pellet from any air rifle FAIL in flight (actual atmospheric flight) beyond 60 yards.
My answer for trying the 100 yard shot is use the FX BOSS in .30 and I'll believe you, but I don't want my old FX BOSS anymore and so I sold it. Because what the .30 could do at 90 and 110 yards in the BOSS was exactly what a .22 Long Rifle does--so what's the point?
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This is a good book on long range shooting :
https://www.amazon.com/Long-Range-Shooting-Handbook-Beginners-ebook/dp/B01BE3LEQK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=ZDVI7QWFAL42&keywords=long+range+shooting+handbook&qid=1562954338&s=gateway&sprefix=long+range+shooting%2Cdigital-text%2C234&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Long-Range-Shooting-Handbook-Beginners-ebook/dp/B01BE3LEQK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=ZDVI7QWFAL42&keywords=long+range+shooting+handbook&qid=1562954338&s=gateway&sprefix=long+range+shooting%2Cdigital-text%2C234&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1)
It's written for PB's, but the principles are transferable to AGs.
+1 on Bob's suggestion to check out the 100 yard match, super fun. There's something very rewarding about hitting that 10 ring at long range.
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I guess I should learn to walk before I run. Next trip I will set up at 75 yards and see what happens. I’m also learning about scopes , I need less cross hair and more mil-dot. ;)
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This thread is perfectly timed as I very recently shot my FWB 124 break-barrel springer at the longest ranges that I ever tried and was pleasantly surprised! I was shooting off sandbags (with a woolen cap between the rifle forearm and the front sandbag). Slight wind and hold errors/differences really wreaked havoc on the groupings, but the rifle consistently shot under 4" ctc groups (see A-E in figure), with some closer to 2" ctc (B and E in figure). It was at my club's 100 yd range, but the distance was actually closer to 86 yards. Air Arms Diabolo Field 8.4 gr, 4.52 mm pellets were shot at around 780 fps.
I included some groups at 50 yards (actual range was closer to 51 yards, so these are honest 50 yard groups!) in F in figure. If you look at the left two groups in F, you might think that this rifle groups ~0.6" ctc at 50 yds, but the next two groups show that maybe 1" ctc at 50 yd is a more reasonable expectation. This is why I always shoot more than one group!
I'm curious learn more about how other springers do at longer ranges.
Best wishes,
John
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Make a paint roller rest and hold the rifle loosely..
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This is a good book on long range shooting :
https://www.amazon.com/Long-Range-Shooting-Handbook-Beginners-ebook/dp/B01BE3LEQK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=ZDVI7QWFAL42&keywords=long+range+shooting+handbook&qid=1562954338&s=gateway&sprefix=long+range+shooting%2Cdigital-text%2C234&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Long-Range-Shooting-Handbook-Beginners-ebook/dp/B01BE3LEQK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=ZDVI7QWFAL42&keywords=long+range+shooting+handbook&qid=1562954338&s=gateway&sprefix=long+range+shooting%2Cdigital-text%2C234&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1)
It's written for PB's, but the principles are transferable to AGs.
+1 on Bob's suggestion to check out the 100 yard match, super fun. There's something very rewarding about hitting that 10 ring at long range.
I just ordered the book!! thanks!!
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This thread is perfectly timed as I very recently shot my FWB 124 break-barrel springer at the longest ranges that I ever tried and was pleasantly surprised! I was shooting off sandbags (with a woolen cap between the rifle forearm and the front sandbag). Slight wind and hold errors/differences really wreaked havoc on the groupings, but the rifle consistently shot under 4" ctc groups (see A-E in figure), with some closer to 2" ctc (B and E in figure). It was at my club's 100 yd range, but the distance was actually closer to 86 yards. Air Arms Diabolo Field 8.4 gr, 4.52 mm pellets were shot at around 780 fps.
I included some groups at 50 yards (actual range was closer to 51 yards, so these are honest 50 yard groups!) in F in figure. If you look at the left two groups in F, you might think that this rifle groups ~0.6" ctc at 50 yds, but the next two groups show that maybe 1" ctc at 50 yd is a more reasonable expectation. This is why I always shoot more than one group!
I'm curious learn more about how other springers do at longer ranges.
Best wishes,
John
nice shooting! so its possible, i just need more practice.
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This thread is perfectly timed as I very recently shot my FWB 124 break-barrel springer at the longest ranges that I ever tried and was pleasantly surprised! I was shooting off sandbags (with a woolen cap between the rifle forearm and the front sandbag). Slight wind and hold errors/differences really wreaked havoc on the groupings, but the rifle consistently shot under 4" ctc groups (see A-E in figure), with some closer to 2" ctc (B and E in figure). It was at my club's 100 yd range, but the distance was actually closer to 86 yards. Air Arms Diabolo Field 8.4 gr, 4.52 mm pellets were shot at around 780 fps.
I included some groups at 50 yards (actual range was closer to 51 yards, so these are honest 50 yard groups!) in F in figure. If you look at the left two groups in F, you might think that this rifle groups ~0.6" ctc at 50 yds, but the next two groups show that maybe 1" ctc at 50 yd is a more reasonable expectation. This is why I always shoot more than one group!
I'm curious learn more about how other springers do at longer ranges.
Best wishes,
John
Interesting and impressive. Thanks for showing us the pics. I realize that these are not 1/2 groups at 100 yards; but, it's good to see just how are the lowly break barrels can punch!!!
Archie
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This target was shot at 100 yards with my RWS-460, 22. The rifle was actually zeroed at 45 yards and was shooting consistent 3/4" groups, so I decided to see what she would do at 100 Yards. Aiming right at the bulls eye, my first five shots landed in a 2" group about 14" low. I adjusted my aim point accordingly and shot the attached target. I also shot a similar second confirmation target. FYI, my rifle was shooting JSB 14.35's at 870 fps. I was shootin off of a Coldwell bag.
AR
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This target was shot at 100 yards with my RWS-460, 22. The rifle was actually zeroed at 45 yards and was shooting consistent 3/4" groups, so I decided to see what she would do at 100 Yards. Aiming right at the bulls eye, my first five shots landed in a 2" group about 14" low. I adjusted my aim point accordingly and shot the attached target. I also shot a similar second confirmation target. FYI, my rifle was shooting JSB 14.35's at 870 fps. I was shootin off of a Coldwell bag.
AR
very nice. I think power is definitely a big factor at 100 yards. @700fps most of the battle is remembering where exactly your point of aim was in the trees above the target. I still think faster and flatter is what’s needed.
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Speed is ur friend at longer distances! it allows for less effects from the elements ur fighting against! like humidity, wind, barometric pressure, spin drift, and so on! things u will learn about reading that book Steve ;D IMO if u want to shoot these distances u need a .22cal pellet that is running in the 850fps or more with a pellet that has the best ballistic co efficient that is the most accurate from ur barrel! IMO the bigger power plant Diana's like the 460mag 48's 52's 54's ECT seem to preform well for this task! IMO the 54's have to many moving parts in the rail system that could cause accuracy deviation at longer distances! a ridged plat form like the 460 or 48's IMO is a better plat form, From my yrs of shooting long range with power burner's, the same basic principles apply to air guns, this why I have a 460mag in .22cal, I think for the money this is a very good long range shooter, and as u can see from other posts on here they are quite capable of the shooting u want to do! also a good fixed power scope like a SWFA 16x scope would make a good combo for that type of shooting! and lastly u need to have ur trigger tuned so it does not effect the rifle upon release, to heavy of a trigger will pull u off target, and the longer the shot the more effect this will have! just my 2ct ;)
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Speed is ur friend at longer distances! it allows for less effects from the elements ur fighting against! like humidity, wind, barometric pressure, spin drift, and so on! things u will learn about reading that book Steve ;D IMO if u want to shoot these distances u need a .22cal pellet that is running in the 850fps or more with a pellet that has the best ballistic co efficient that is the most accurate from ur barrel! IMO the bigger power plant Diana's like the 460mag 48's 52's 54's ECT seem to preform well for this task! IMO the 54's have to many moving parts in the rail system that could cause accuracy deviation at longer distances! a ridged plat form like the 460 or 48's IMO is a better plat form, From my yrs of shooting long range with power burner's, the same basic principles apply to air guns, this why I have a 460mag in .22cal, I think for the money this is a very good long range shooter, and as u can see from other posts on here they are quite capable of the shooting u want to do! also a good fixed power scope like a SWFA 16x scope would make a good combo for that type of shooting! and lastly u need to have ur trigger tuned so it does not effect the rifle upon release, to heavy of a trigger will pull u off target, and the longer the shot the more effect this will have! just my 2ct ;)
This is great information, confirming what I've read (but never experienced) about some springers' capability to shoot rather accurately over 75 yards to about 100 yards. Excellent!
However, isn't this only applicable for shooting paper? No disrespect intended by this question. I just wonder where in that shot distance would the fpe drop so low that it wouldn't kill an intended pest?
great thread--thanks,
Archie
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Depends on the pest? Crow size birds rabbits things of that size, IMO would be easily dispatched with proper shot placement! I have shot plenty of Ground Hogs with a 460mag .22cal @75yds and have had no problem dispatching them with a well placed head shot, some of them the pellet passed completely thru both sides of the scull! ;)
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Depends on the pest? Crow size birds rabbits things of that size, IMO would be easily dispatched with proper shot placement! I have shot plenty of Ground Hogs with a 460mag .22cal @75yds and have had no problem dispatching them with a well placed head shot, some of them the pellet passed completely thru both sides of the scull! ;)
Thanks! So, springers are capable of pesting at 75ish yards. Outstanding! Now, more practice--since I know my Weihrauchs are more capable than I.... 8)
Archie
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People way underestimate the power of these rifles! these are not the BB guns of yesteryear when I was a kid back in the early 70's, even then the old Powerline 880 and the Crosman 760 back in the day when they were made good!!! were good for what they were! 30yds or so! todays air guns have come along way! This why quality air guns cost what they do! U think about what is being asked of an air rifle in this thread!!!! and a spring gun at that! a spring gun of such power was un heard of! let alone trying to shoot a group @100yds! 10ys ago or so when I would post about shooting small game @75yds and beyond people, especially over in England who were and are members of this forum said I was full of you know ::)!!! but its pretty common today to shoot those distances, all it takes is good equipment and knowing how to use it! ;)
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Mark, your right on target when you say knowing the gun and what it can do. Just check out a few of the videos posted by Egyptian sniper. He shows you the distance of the kill shots with his Hatsan break barrel. It's how he helps to feed his family.
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This thread is perfectly timed as I very recently shot my FWB 124 break-barrel springer at the longest ranges that I ever tried and was pleasantly surprised! I was shooting off sandbags (with a woolen cap between the rifle forearm and the front sandbag). Slight wind and hold errors/differences really wreaked havoc on the groupings, but the rifle consistently shot under 4" ctc groups (see A-E in figure), with some closer to 2" ctc (B and E in figure). It was at my club's 100 yd range, but the distance was actually closer to 86 yards. Air Arms Diabolo Field 8.4 gr, 4.52 mm pellets were shot at around 780 fps.
I included some groups at 50 yards (actual range was closer to 51 yards, so these are honest 50 yard groups!) in F in figure. If you look at the left two groups in F, you might think that this rifle groups ~0.6" ctc at 50 yds, but the next two groups show that maybe 1" ctc at 50 yd is a more reasonable expectation. This is why I always shoot more than one group!
I'm curious learn more about how other springers do at longer ranges.
Best wishes,
John
nice shooting! so its possible, i just need more practice.
Just more practise indeed + make sure you have found the right pellet for your airgun + some higher powered scopes. I would say 16+ power. Though this is very personal and depend on the quality of the glass as well.
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Kind of my point, I personally use my AG's for recreational use and pest control, the small game I go after like G-Hogs ur lucky to get with in 50yds of them before they run into their hole! So I already know I need a gun with enough power and accuracy for that distance and beyond! This is where the 460mag shines in .22cal! most every 1 I have owned shoots the Crosman HP's or pointed hunting pellets smaller then a dime @30yds, this it the type of accuracy that's needed with the power from these Diana's to make the shots @ 75yds and beyond, I'm not a big Diana fan unless its a bigger power plant gun like this, I prefer HW's but they do not produce the power to shoot G-Hogs @75yds for a 1 shot kill at least in a .20cal rifle, using softer pellets like H&N or JSB's, I have shot several with a .20cal HW80 @820fps with 11.42 H&N's at that distance and they ran back into their hole! the harder CPHP's from a 460mag at around 825 to 850fps plant them right there! ;) ;D
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12ft/lbs is more than enough on long distances.
Have a look at the groupings done during a springer airgun competition on 100m in my country. The winning springer was a 12ft/lbs tuned HW97k.
https://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?/topic/120797-inschrijftopic-veerbukswedstrijden-25-en-100m/page__pid__985872__st__45&#entry985872 (https://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?/topic/120797-inschrijftopic-veerbukswedstrijden-25-en-100m/page__pid__985872__st__45&#entry985872)
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12ft/lbs is more than enough on long distances.
Have a look at the groupings done during a springer airgun competition on 100m in my country. The winning springer was a 12ft/lbs tuned HW97k.
https://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?/topic/120797-inschrijftopic-veerbukswedstrijden-25-en-100m/page__pid__985872__st__45&#entry985872 (https://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?/topic/120797-inschrijftopic-veerbukswedstrijden-25-en-100m/page__pid__985872__st__45&#entry985872)
Those are incredible groupings at 100m. My soul, why all love for PCPs when tame springers are so capable?
Archie
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Rudolph, are those indoors or outdoors at 100M ?
Bob
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Rudolph, are those indoors or outdoors at 100M ?
Bob
Hey Bob, those are indoors.
It is exactly what Archie mentioned, it is all about tame springers. But I reckon that counts for every distance. And purpose onviously. I can imagine if you're hunting or do long distance plinking and targets are bigger, then a more powerful springer makes sense.
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This target was shot at 100 yards with my RWS-460, 22. The rifle was actually zeroed at 45 yards and was shooting consistent 3/4" groups, so I decided to see what she would do at 100 Yards. Aiming right at the bulls eye, my first five shots landed in a 2" group about 14" low. I adjusted my aim point accordingly and shot the attached target. I also shot a similar second confirmation target. FYI, my rifle was shooting JSB 14.35's at 870 fps. I was shootin off of a Coldwell bag.
AR
very nice. I think power is definitely a big factor at 100 yards. @700fps most of the battle is remembering where exactly your point of aim was in the trees above the target. I still think faster and flatter is what’s needed.
I was able to shoot the attached 100 yard targets with 0.22 JSB 18.13gr shooting ~750 FPS at the muzzle, with a springer (fully tuned Flying Dragon XS28M). The one on the left is the best group I've shot, but I've shot many <4" 100 yard groups with this setup. I don't think you need to be shooting 900+ FPS for good long range groups, especially with a PCP, I think consistency is more important.
You mentioned mildots too, I think this or some other kind of reticle holdover system is necessary for accurate shooting at this distance. ChairGun shows a drop of ~39" for my setup, it's hard to adjust that much consistently with Kentucky windage. And that's zeroed at 50 yards!
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Depends on the pest? Crow size birds rabbits things of that size, IMO would be easily dispatched with proper shot placement! I have shot plenty of Ground Hogs with a 460mag .22cal @75yds and have had no problem dispatching them with a well placed head shot, some of them the pellet passed completely thru both sides of the scull! ;)
Thanks! So, springers are capable of pesting at 75ish yards. Outstanding! Now, more practice--since I know my Weihrauchs are more capable than I.... 8)
Archie
For reference, ChairGun shows my XS28M with 11.5 FPE of retained energy at 100 yards. That's 755 FPS muzzle velocity with a 18.13gr pellet for 22.9 FPE at the muzzle, with BC=0.035. Granted it is a "magnum," but not an "ultra-magnum."
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Depends on the pest? Crow size birds rabbits things of that size, IMO would be easily dispatched with proper shot placement! I have shot plenty of Ground Hogs with a 460mag .22cal @75yds and have had no problem dispatching them with a well placed head shot, some of them the pellet passed completely thru both sides of the scull! ;)
Thanks! So, springers are capable of pesting at 75ish yards. Outstanding! Now, more practice--since I know my Weihrauchs are more capable than I.... 8)
Archie
For reference, ChairGun shows my XS28M with 11.5 FPE of retained energy at 100 yards. That's 755 FPS muzzle velocity with a 18.13gr pellet for 22.9 FPE at the muzzle, with BC=0.035. Granted it is a "magnum," but not an "ultra-magnum."
Hey Adam, tried scoping my xs28 for this project but had a hard time even getting it on paper at 25 yards and gave up in frustration. and my eyes aren't good enough with out one anymore.
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This why I suggested the SWFA 16x optic, it has 10mils of hold over inside the reticule plus half mil hash marks, Adam, what kind of groups are u getting @30yds with the 18gn JSB's? ;D
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I had an 850 in .22 cal and it was very accurate.... If you can pick a day with no wind, I think it might surprise you at 100 yards
Bob
I agree! How was the wind? Even a 2 or 3 mph wind will cause problems at 100 yards.
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This target was shot at 100 yards with my RWS-460, 22. The rifle was actually zeroed at 45 yards and was shooting consistent 3/4" groups, so I decided to see what she would do at 100 Yards. Aiming right at the bulls eye, my first five shots landed in a 2" group about 14" low. I adjusted my aim point accordingly and shot the attached target. I also shot a similar second confirmation target. FYI, my rifle was shooting JSB 14.35's at 870 fps. I was shootin off of a Coldwell bag.
AR
That's excellent for a springer! My hats off to you. I've shot coffee cans and even soda cans at 100yds with my Hw95 but I could never pull off groups like that. In fact I have rimfire rifles that won't do that..
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went back to the range yesterday and learned a few things. The first thing i learned was ;if your shooting a pcp and a springer, shoot the springer first. i just could not hit much with the hw95 after shooting the 850 for an hour. which explains why i did so well with the 95 the first day. it was all i shot.
2nd thing i learned was 1 1/2-2 fpe really makes a difference at 100yards. after 48 shots , my range significantly dropped even though it was still shooting a single hole at 25 yards it barely reach the 100 yard target.
3rd was to zoom out the scope to get the mildots all on the target board . that made a huge difference.
did pretty well with the ham850 1/2"@50 under2"@75yards and around 2''@100yards. these were my best groups of the day.
I feel like a 20 fpe gun would be ideal ,
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That's good shootin Steve ;D