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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Bargain Gate => Topic started by: Jeremy1982 on February 16, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
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Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! PCP Air guns Condor to Paintball Adapter Converter https://ebay.us/9gQbPA .I have one like this and its awesome for slinging pellets.I hook my 2200 psi to it and get about 40+ shots off my 3k 500cc thank around 1000 fps and with my 4.5k tank I get tired of shooting.150-200 shots!
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I normally fill my Condors to 2200 psi especially when my 4500 tanks are low or I use my 3k psi Scuba tank, and get 30-35 consistent shots at 960-970fps with 25.4 JSB Kings on low power, and o-ring mod (o-ring behind tophat to reduce velocity and save air). Pressure is at ~1700psi before velocity starts dropping.
Harry
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Pretty cool :)
Jeff
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I normally fill my Condors to 2200 psi especially when my 4500 tanks are low or I use my 3k psi Scuba tank, and get 30-35 consistent shots at 960-970fps with 25.4 JSB Kings on low power, and o-ring mod (o-ring behind tophat to reduce velocity and save air). Pressure is at ~1700psi before velocity starts dropping.
Harry
Harry, quick question(s) for you, how quiet/loud is your Condor (SS model?) shooting at that those speeds? And did it come with baffles? Thank you in advance! :)
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Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! PCP Air guns Condor to Paintball Adapter Converter. I have one like this and its awesome for slinging pellets.I hook my 2200 psi to it and get about 40+ shots off my 3k 500cc thank around 1000 fps and with my 4.5k tank I get tired of shooting.150-200 shots!
Sir, Please forgive my ignorance as I do not yet have a AF Condor, but am going to purchase one within the next few weeks. I happened on your post and was wondering if you can tell me exactly what this adapter will do for a Condor. Will it allow one to tether it to a small volume tank, which holds 2500-3000 psi? How about a C02 tank? Again please excuse my ignorance and thank you.
Tom
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Pretty much you get a paintball tank regulator of your choice (Aliexpress has them for as little as $15 from 1600 psi-3000psi)You hook that into your 500 cc tank that comes with your airforce...put your airforce valve in the attachment and you have a regulated gun.If you get a 2200 psi Regulator then it will allow 2200 psi in the attachment for your shot each time.Mine will give me a spread of about 10 fps over 40-50 shots with my 3000 psi tank.I can stack one hole groups at 50 yards because my gun is shooting the same speed over and over.cuts out the pressure drop of the normal tank.so without the regulator my first shot in my escape may be 1100 fps..2nd may be 1130 ...3rd 1090...4th 1075..and so on!With this Ill get 1000 fps 1st shot....1003 2nd shot....3rd 1005...4th 1001! very consistant
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I normally fill my Condors to 2200 psi especially when my 4500 tanks are low or I use my 3k psi Scuba tank, and get 30-35 consistent shots at 960-970fps with 25.4 JSB Kings on low power, and o-ring mod (o-ring behind tophat to reduce velocity and save air). Pressure is at ~1700psi before velocity starts dropping.
Harry
Harry, quick question(s) for you, how quiet/loud is your Condor (SS model?) shooting at that those speeds? And did it come with baffles? Thank you in advance! :)
Randall, all my Condors have shrouds/LDC's. I know the more expensive one has baffles (the Talon Tunes one), the older Airhog ones I am not sure about, but they are all very effective.
I do not have an SS. I have the regular Condors with 24" barrel(s) which are more powerful than the 18" barreled SS, and they are VERY quiet at velocities @ 1,000fps and below. They are still backyard friendly at 1,040-1,050fps, but extremely quiet below 1K fps and where I prefer to shoot them at to get more shots. I do not use regulators. I use the "o-ring mod" trick. It's very easy and takes 1-2 minutes to put a small o-ring behind the tophat. This immediately cuts back on the air the gun uses per shot, because it shortens the travel of the valve stem when the tophat smacks into the o-ring that sits in front of the valve. Then you adjust the power wheel to get the consistency at the velocity you want. My Condors also have the stock/OEM adjustable tophat, so I adjusted that as well (the distance of the tophat from the valve which also dictates the distance the hammer/breach slide travels before hitting the tophat) for better consistency along with the power wheel and the o-ring in place. There are 2 screws that you loosen up on the tophat and the tophat can then freely screw around the threaded valve stem to go up or down. Adjust, tighten, test on the Chrono, and repeat until you get the results you want.
Without the 5 cent o-ring my Condors shoot the .25 JSB Kings way over 1,100 fps (and 1,080 the 31gr Baracuda) from only a 2,400psi fill, but the shrouds don't work well at supersonic speeds. The o-ring mod allows me to use the lighter more accurate JSB King and 31gr Cuda/Kodiak at subsonic velocities. But the best thing about the o-ring is that it works just as good or better than most regulators, so I save air and get consistent velocities with a 7fps extreme spread (ES) which means 1-hole groups @ 30yds without much effort, or a brain shot on a G-hog every time ;)
Condors are VERY powerful and use up a lot of air per shot from the factory. You need to tame them a little to get a high of # shots out its big tank, and better shot consistency.
Harry
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I normally fill my Condors to 2200 psi especially when my 4500 tanks are low or I use my 3k psi Scuba tank, and get 30-35 consistent shots at 960-970fps with 25.4 JSB Kings on low power, and o-ring mod (o-ring behind tophat to reduce velocity and save air). Pressure is at ~1700psi before velocity starts dropping.
Harry
Harry, quick question(s) for you, how quiet/loud is your Condor (SS model?) shooting at that those speeds? And did it come with baffles? Thank you in advance! :)
Randall, all my Condors have shrouds/LDC's. I know the more expensive one has baffles (the Talon Tunes one), the older Airhog ones I am not sure about, but they are all very effective.
I do not have an SS. I have the regular Condors with 24" barrel(s) which are more powerful than the 18" barreled SS, and they are VERY quiet at velocities @ 1,000fps and below. They are still backyard friendly at 1,040-1,050fps, but extremely quiet below 1K fps and where I prefer to shoot them at to get more shots. I do not use regulators. I use the "o-ring mod" trick. It's very easy and takes 1-2 minutes to put a small o-ring behind the tophat. This immediately cuts back on the air the gun uses per shot, because it shortens the travel of the valve stem when the tophat smacks into the o-ring that sits in front of the valve. Then you adjust the power wheel to get the consistency at the velocity you want. My Condors also have the stock/OEM adjustable tophat, so I adjusted that as well (the distance of the tophat from the valve which also dictates the distance the hammer/breach slide travels before hitting the tophat) for better consistency along with the power wheel and the o-ring in place. There are 2 screws that you loosen up on the tophat and the tophat can then freely screw around the threaded valve stem to go up or down. Adjust, tighten, test on the Chrono, and repeat until you get the results you want.
Without the 5 cent o-ring my Condors shoot the .25 JSB Kings way over 1,100 fps (and 1,080 the 31gr Baracuda) from only a 2,400psi fill, but the shrouds don't work well at supersonic speeds. The o-ring mod allows me to use the lighter more accurate JSB King and 31gr Cuda/Kodiak at subsonic velocities. But the best thing about the o-ring is that it works just as good or better than most regulators, so I save air and get consistent velocities with a 7fps extreme spread (ES) which means 1-hole groups @ 30yds without much effort, or a brain shot on a G-hog every time ;)
Condors are VERY powerful and use up a lot of air per shot from the factory. You need to tame them a little to get a high of # shots out its big tank, and better shot consistency.
Harry
Harry, thank you very much for all your informative help! I am contemplating a high power .22 or .25 and the Condors check every box as I enjoy single loading as I use 99% of the time. Would you recommend a regular non SS version? I was thinking of a .22 since I could plink cheaper but also hunt with NSA slugs on high power. Your thoughts would be very welcomed :).
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I have a SS in .25 and it has a TT top hat with inserts. I have no insert in it and even with the 18" barrel it has massive power for tree rats. At 35 yards I had one move on me and my shot was not perfect and it took a second shot. The first one just about gutted him. I think out to 75 plus yards a 18" .25 has plenty of small game hunting power.
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I have a SS in .25 and it has a TT top hat with inserts. I have no insert in it and even with the 18" barrel it has massive power for tree rats. At 35 yards I had one move on me and my shot was not perfect and it took a second shot. The first one just about gutted him. I think out to 75 plus yards a 18" .25 has plenty of small game hunting power.
Ed, thank you for that info! :)
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Randall: like Ed pointed out, the SS also has a lot of power. Condors are very easy to work on. You can always put in a heavier hammer in your Condor and get 10fpe more out of it. A 24" Condor is very long when you add a shroud to it and it's not really for hunting in the woods or for shooting off hand. It's a "sniper's gun" that you shoot with a bipod or from a rest, a blind, etc. If you go into wooded areas the Condor SS or a Talon will be better suited.
I recommend you post in the PCP gate for opinions and advice on which Condor to get, but I personally only used the Condor's high power for 1-2 years, and got tired of getting 12-15 consistent high power shots and refilling. The way to get the most shots out of a Condor and enjoy it more is to reduce the power. Another advantage of running it at low-mid power is it becomes more backyard friendly and easier to tune for consistency. Low power for my 24" Condors in .25 is 50-55fpe, and high power 90+fpe with 43gr EJ's (I actually have not tested its full power but have gotten 90fpe out of it from 2700psi and PW at 7-8). However, I have slightly heavier aftermarket brass hammers in mine which I really don't need, and were installed when I thought more power was good. But the fact is a raccoon or possum will go down just the same with 15fpe on impact as with 70fpe given the same head shot. I don't shoot or hunt at long ranges except for a couple of times when I had the opportunity, and this is what I think the Condor was designed for. Sniping at longer ranges. It's niche is that it offers high adjustability for the power/velocity, range you hunt, and type of animals you go after, and also for the pellet weight you want to use, plus it has 1 of the biggest tanks of any airgun.
The .22 will take down any animal categorized as small game in North America. The .25 just ensures that if the shot is slightly off you can still make a kill, but it can't be off by much on medium sized game, as it's still an airgun and not a P/B. The important thing is the .25 also helps keep the velocities subsonic. A Condor .22 slings most pellets way too fast. My .22 Condor 24" with the wheel turned all the way down to 0 shoots 21gr Cudas at 990-1k fps. I could go with heavier pellets but it shoots the JSB 18.1 and H&N 21gr like laser. The 18.1's at 1,030fps still shoot really well. I avoid going over 1,035 fps because the muzzle report starts getting higher and the shrouds become less effective. You don't want to sling lighter pellets any faster than that in most cases anyway, except with heavier .25 cal. pellets. For ex. the H&N 31gr Cuda or Beeman 31gr Kodiak love 1030-1060fps. Seems the high velocity doesn't affect them a bit - same hole or small clover leaf at 35yds, but the report is higher, so I prefer to shoot them at 950-1k in my 25's to get more shots and better consistency. The last couple of years though I have dialed the .25's down even more to shoot the JSB 25.4 Kings in the high 900's so that I can use less air, get more shots and higher consistency. To achieve that and get 35 very consistent shots before velocity drops off, I have to fill to ~2,250 psi and use the o-ring mod (PW is at 2). I could get 50-60 shots like others are getting at the same power level from higher PSI fills, but I have to spent more time with the chrono and adjusting, and I am happy filling with lower PSI since I don't have a compressor and use tanks. Both Scuba and Paintball shops closed in my area a coupe of years ago, so I have to drive 35min. to the nearest shop that offers 4500 fills. So filling at 2250 (from 1700psi) really helps my tanks last. The Condor's large 490cc tank uses up your 4500 tanks quickly if you fill to 2800psi.
So a lot of it depends what you plan on doing with the gun and the ranges you will be hunting. If you prefer 10-15 high power semi-consistent shots (80+fpe) for coyote at 50-100yds then get the Condor 24" in .25 cal. If you want 50-60 lower power 45-50fpe shots then an SS would work fine. The 24" just adds more FPE with the same air per shot that the SS is using due to the longer barrel. It's just that the 24" with a good shroud is 50-51" long(!) and not that easy to handle or shoot off hand. I do not recommend shooting this weapon system off-hand whether SS or regular/24" anyway. As far .22 vs. 25 either one is fine, except with the .22 you will find yourself lowering the power a lot to keep the velocities manageable, but you will be able to get a few more shots out of the .22 vs. the .25 that needs more air to sling the heavier pellets, unless you use very heavy .22's, then there is no difference. Whichever one you choose, SS or 24", in .22 or .25 cal will put a smile on your face regardless :) All of them are highly versatile and easy to tune without going into the valve or taking the gun apart (which is also easy), and above all accurate!
Harry
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Randall: like Ed pointed out, the SS also has a lot of power. Condors are very easy to work on. You can always put in a heavier hammer in your Condor and get 10fpe more out of it. A 24" Condor is very long when you add a shroud to it and it's not really for hunting in the woods or for shooting off hand. It's a "sniper's gun" that you shoot with a bipod or from a rest, a blind, etc. If you go into wooded areas the Condor SS or a Talon will be better suited.
I recommend you post in the PCP gate for opinions and advice on which Condor to get, but I personally only used the Condor's high power for 1-2 years, and got tired of getting 12-15 consistent high power shots and refilling. The way to get the most shots out of a Condor and enjoy it more is to reduce the power. Another advantage of running it at low-mid power is it becomes more backyard friendly and easier to tune for consistency. Low power for my 24" Condors in .25 is 50-55fpe, and high power 90+fpe with 43gr EJ's (I actually have not tested its full power but have gotten 90fpe out of it from 2700psi and PW at 7-8). However, I have slightly heavier aftermarket brass hammers in mine which I really don't need, and were installed when I thought more power was good. But the fact is a raccoon or possum will go down just the same with 15fpe on impact as with 70fpe given the same head shot. I don't shoot or hunt at long ranges except for a couple of times when I had the opportunity, and this is what I think the Condor was designed for. Sniping at longer ranges. It's niche is that it offers high adjustability for the power/velocity, range you hunt, and type of animals you go after, and also for the pellet weight you want to use, plus it has 1 of the biggest tanks of any airgun.
The .22 will take down any animal categorized as small game in North America. The .25 just ensures that if the shot is slightly off you can still make a kill, but it can't be off by much on medium sized game, as it's still an airgun and not a P/B. The important thing is the .25 also helps keep the velocities subsonic. A Condor .22 slings most pellets way too fast. My .22 Condor 24" with the wheel turned all the way down to 0 shoots 21gr Cudas at 990-1k fps. I could go with heavier pellets but it shoots the JSB 18.1 and H&N 21gr like laser. The 18.1's at 1,030fps still shoot really well. I avoid going over 1,035 fps because the muzzle report starts getting higher and the shrouds become less effective. You don't want to sling lighter pellets any faster than that in most cases anyway, except with heavier .25 cal. pellets. For ex. the H&N 31gr Cuda or Beeman 31gr Kodiak love 1030-1060fps. Seems the high velocity doesn't affect them a bit - same hole or small clover leaf at 35yds, but the report is higher, so I prefer to shoot them at 950-1k in my 25's to get more shots and better consistency. The last couple of years though I have dialed the .25's down even more to shoot the JSB 25.4 Kings in the high 900's so that I can use less air, get more shots and higher consistency. To achieve that and get 35 very consistent shots before velocity drops off, I have to fill to ~2,250 psi and use the o-ring mod (PW is at 2). I could get 50-60 shots like others are getting at the same power level from higher PSI fills, but I have to spent more time with the chrono and adjusting, and I am happy filling with lower PSI since I don't have a compressor and use tanks. Both Scuba and Paintball shops closed in my area a coupe of years ago, so I have to drive 35min. to the nearest shop that offers 4500 fills. So filling at 2250 (from 1700psi) really helps my tanks last. The Condor's large 490cc tank uses up your 4500 tanks quickly if you fill to 2800psi.
So a lot of it depends what you plan on doing with the gun and the ranges you will be hunting. If you prefer 10-15 high power semi-consistent shots (80+fpe) for coyote at 50-100yds then get the Condor 24" in .25 cal. If you want 50-60 lower power 45-50fpe shots then an SS would work fine. The 24" just adds more FPE with the same air per shot that the SS is using due to the longer barrel. It's just that the 24" with a good shroud is 50-51" long(!) and not that easy to handle or shoot off hand. I do not recommend shooting this weapon system off-hand whether SS or regular/24" anyway. As far .22 vs. 25 either one is fine, except with the .22 you will find yourself lowering the power a lot to keep the velocities manageable, but you will be able to get a few more shots out of the .22 vs. the .25 that needs more air to sling the heavier pellets, unless you use very heavy .22's, then there is no difference. Whichever one you choose, SS or 24", in .22 or .25 cal will put a smile on your face regardless :) All of them are highly versatile and easy to tune without going into the valve or taking the gun apart (which is also easy), and above all accurate!
Harry
Harry, you da man..thank you for all that brain food! One more question if you don’t mind...the Talon SS or non SS, I read that in .22 the SS only shoots 15.89gr @ 800...is that real world numbers or should I look more at the non SS longer barrel version? Have you shot either? Thank you :)...really enjoy conversing with you..can you tell!? LOL
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Pretty much you get a paintball tank regulator of your choice (Aliexpress has them for as little as $15 from 1600 psi-3000psi)You hook that into your 500 cc tank that comes with your airforce...put your airforce valve in the attachment and you have a regulated gun.If you get a 2200 psi Regulator then it will allow 2200 psi in the attachment for your shot each time.Mine will give me a spread of about 10 fps over 40-50 shots with my 3000 psi tank.I can stack one hole groups at 50 yards because my gun is shooting the same speed over and over.cuts out the pressure drop of the normal tank.so without the regulator my first shot in my escape may be 1100 fps..2nd may be 1130 ...3rd 1090...4th 1075..and so on!With this Ill get 1000 fps 1st shot....1003 2nd shot....3rd 1005...4th 1001! very consistant
Thank you very much for the info Jeremy. I went ahead and ordered the adapter and also a 2200 psi PBT regulator in preparation for the Condor i'm going to buy soon. Now I need to decide where to buy it. There seems to be quite a few places that sell it. Do you by chance have any recommendations? Can you think of any other accessories that I should get for the Condor? Thanks again, Tom
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Well you will need a scope and rings. Also you need a way to fill it. Oh and A LOT of pellets ;D
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Well you will need a scope and rings. Also you need a way to fill it. Oh and A LOT of pellets ;D
Thank you, but I actually have all that covered. I have quite a few other PCP's along with a Yong Heng China special and a couple 68cu.ft. SCBA tanks. I have been slowly working my way up to a Condor and I'm about ready to make the jump. Thanks again.
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Wow, a low cost way to make an AF regulated! I like it! I've often considered getting an AF Talon or Condor, but only for target shooting, not hunting. Once regulated, how accurate are they to 50 or even 100 yards?
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As far as pellets...field supply is hard to beat!free shipping over $25.If you need to keep it back yard friendly then there is a guy on ebay that sells push on LDC for around $50 .I have the R&L shroud on mine but bought a LDC for my Diso from him and their well made and effective!Thats pretty much it if you have the air and scope covered
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Randall, 15.9gr @ 800fps is very real with the Talon SS (12" barrel), and about mid-800's with 14.x pellets. If you want more power the 18" Talon will give you another 30fps or so but you will have to get a shroud for it.
I am confused though, you said you were contemplating the high power of the .22 or .25 Condors, but now you are talking about a Talon SS with the 1/3rd the power of a Condor? ;D My post about the Condor's power scared you a little? ;D I was going to recommend the 450fpe AF Texan .45, but I guess I won't now... Just kidding, hehehe ;D ;D
Here is another fact to make it harder for you to make a decision :) You can always swap out the tank of a Talon with a Condor high-flow tank (the valve comes with the tank) and have close to Condor SS power ;)
But really guys, we need to discuss the Air Force Talon/Condor in the PCP gate, not here. I am probably most guilty of that when it comes to the Condor and people asking questions :) Let's get back to the item the OP posted.
Thanks,
Harry
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Randall, 15.9gr @ 800fps is very real with the Talon SS (12" barrel), and about mid-800's with 14.x pellets. If you want more power the 18" Talon will give you another 30fps or so but you will have to get a shroud for it.
I am confused though, you said you were contemplating the high power of the .22 or .25 Condors, but now you are talking about a Talon SS with the 1/3rd the power of a Condor? ;D My post about the Condor's power scared you a little? ;D I was going to recommend the 450fpe AF Texan .45, but I guess I won't now... Just kidding, hehehe ;D ;D
Here is another fact to make it harder for you to make a decision :) You can always swap out the tank of a Talon with a Condor high-flow tank (the valve comes with the tank) and have close to Condor SS power ;)
But really guys, we need to discuss the Air Force Talon/Condor in the PCP gate, not here. I am probably most guilty of that when it comes to the Condor and people asking questions :) Let's get back to the item the OP posted.
Thanks,
Harry
Harry, very sorry for hijacking this thread! The FPS numbers are swirling in my head as far as distance...thank you! I will end my questions here...much appreciated! :)
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If your looking for speed in a small bore Airforce Airgun...Get the Escape.I was getting 1100 fps with the 33 gr Jsb pellet in stock form.You actually have to tune this gun down to shoot more accurate!
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If your looking for speed in a small bore Airforce Airgun...Get the Escape.I was getting 1100 fps with the 33 gr Jsb pellet in stock form.You actually have to tune this gun down to shoot more accurate!
Jeremy, thank you for the info on the Escape! I was looking at the Talon, Condor and see a used Escape very affordable on the bay with two tanks and moderator...but, must remove tank to fill (older version I’m guessing) and I’m still thinking .22 as I’d like to keep my whole collection .22 for ammo purposes. Researched RL in CO and can order a Talon with a 20” barrel, optional...too many nice AF pcp’s..hurts my brain (not much to hurt :))! This next one will be a pellet/slug shooter. My current ones are not powerful enough to sling slugs properly. Appreciate ALL the help here.
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If your looking for speed in a small bore Airforce Airgun...Get the Escape.I was getting 1100 fps with the 33 gr Jsb pellet in stock form.You actually have to tune this gun down to shoot more accurate!
I believe it. When I got a spare Condor tank/valve from P/A about 2 years ago, I screwed it into the Condor to make sure it works. Filled it to 2500 psi, and took a few shots over the Chrono. My mouth dropped - 1st shot 1,060fps with JSB 33.9gr! I was like what? Is my Chrony working? 2nd shot 1055 or so.. I was only on PW 2 or so and not even on a 2800-3k fill. AF has changed their high flow valves the last ~3 years to put out more power. That's when I knew I had to do the o-ring mod with that tank - which btw is so simple to do, it's not funny..
Harry
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If your looking for speed in a small bore Airforce Airgun...Get the Escape.I was getting 1100 fps with the 33 gr Jsb pellet in stock form.You actually have to tune this gun down to shoot more accurate!
I believe it. When I got a spare Condor tank/valve from P/A about 2 years ago, I screwed it into the Condor to make sure it works. Filled it to 2500 psi, and took a few shots over the Chrono. My mouth dropped - 1st shot 1,060fps with JSB 33.9gr! I was like what? Is my Chrony working? 2nd shot 1055 or so.. I was only on PW 2 or so and not even on a 2800-3k fill. AF has changed their high flow valves the last ~3 years to put out more power. That's when I knew I had to do the o-ring mod with that tank - which btw is so simple to do, it's not funny..
Harry
Harry, that FPS is scarring me...just kidding! Like you said and what I’m looking for is a long range 100yd pcp that is power adjustable (so I can also plink if desired) and the AF tick just about every box! I enjoy single loading :).
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The escape has a small tank stock but you can get a 500 cc on aliexpress shipped for under $30.The other thing about the escape is the valve thread size is the 5/8 18unf ...not the M18 like most of the airforce guns.Yea if you want to keep it .22 then stay away from the Escape...I think it would be hard to find a pellet heavy enough to be accurate.Everything I shot under 30 gr broke the sound barrier in 25 cal.Id say the 22 would be close to the same!Its a heck of a gun though.I have 2 barrels for mine (he 25 un chocked and a 257) with 3 different valves+ tanks!I have one thats Regulated down for pellets around 25 gr or so.The stock valve that I use for 40-50 gr slugs at 900 fps and then A Regulated hybrid/mod valve that I Frankensteined a lil!I bought a cheap regulated Valve that never worked so I gutted it because the increased air surface (cause its a bigger valve)..bored it a little..new poppet and bigger valve stem...ect and it throws 72 gr slugs just under 1000 fps.Theses guns are very tune friendly
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Oh and yes they changed the valves over the past few years...well not the valve or the stem,the poppet.its not big and bulky now.They ported it with 3 vents for air to travel past it.Its pretty neat.Instead of air moving around it to get to the stem its directed threw the rear of it and to the stem.IT WORKS.
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Nice, 160 FPE, Wow!
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I am running an Escape UL with a 18 " .22 L/W unchoked barrel 14 twist shooting 50 gr. slugs 780 FPS, MOA @ 100+ yards, I am itching for a nice day to test the 30.gr BBT in it, might be just the ticket.
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+1 for the Regular Condor with the 24" barrel. I do have a TalonTunes shroud/moderator and the tank adapter that lowers the tank about an inch. I don't have a chronograph so I can't quote numbers, but it seems to be the most consistent between 1900 and 2750 psi for me. power is turned all the way down to the stop and then back up a few digits. Haven't tried the o-ring. I had a "super sear" from arizona airguns installed for about an hour. I didn't like it so I put it back to stock.
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The escape has a small tank stock but you can get a 500 cc on aliexpress shipped for under $30.The other thing about the escape is the valve thread size is the 5/8 18unf ...not the M18 like most of the airforce guns.Yea if you want to keep it .22 then stay away from the Escape...I think it would be hard to find a pellet heavy enough to be accurate.Everything I shot under 30 gr broke the sound barrier in 25 cal.Id say the 22 would be close to the same!Its a heck of a gun though.I have 2 barrels for mine (he 25 un chocked and a 257) with 3 different valves+ tanks!I have one thats Regulated down for pellets around 25 gr or so.The stock valve that I use for 40-50 gr slugs at 900 fps and then A Regulated hybrid/mod valve that I Frankensteined a lil!I bought a cheap regulated Valve that never worked so I gutted it because the increased air surface (cause its a bigger valve)..bored it a little..new poppet and bigger valve stem...ect and it throws 72 gr slugs just under 1000 fps.Theses guns are very tune friendly
Jeremy, thank you! That Escape packs gobs of power! I checked RL Airguns and they sell Talon SS versions with an 18” barrel and hi flo tank....I’ll give them a jingle to see what it’s capable of...if not the Condor SS....great platforms! I really appreciate all the help...best most friendly helpful forum :).
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I am running an Escape UL with a 18 " .22 L/W unchoked barrel 14 twist shooting 50 gr. slugs 780 FPS, MOA @ 100+ yards, I am itching for a nice day to test the 30.gr BBT in it, might be just the ticket.
James, holy moly! LOL! You hunting Cape buffalo!? :)...awesome Escape!
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+1 for the Regular Condor with the 24" barrel. I do have a TalonTunes shroud/moderator and the tank adapter that lowers the tank about an inch. I don't have a chronograph so I can't quote numbers, but it seems to be the most consistent between 1900 and 2750 psi for me. power is turned all the way down to the stop and then back up a few digits. Haven't tried the o-ring. I had a "super sear" from arizona airguns installed for about an hour. I didn't like it so I put it back to stock.
John, great info! When I get mine y’all will be getting more questions from me! LOL
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John.the super sear 2 is funny.I have one too but dont give up on it...play with the spring marked J and you will love it!My spring had compressed I guess from time and 1000xs of rounds.The trigger just dangled at first...I stretched J out some and it was 100xs better.It put it at about a 1.6 lb pull with very little creep.I at some point swapped the spring out with a better one (same size,dia) with 1 more coil then the original and ended up with 2 lb and very smooth!
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The new Condors with the Ring-Loc valve kits are easy to ramp up or down in power, and mine does very well with 31 gn H&N Grizzley pellets at about 60 ft lbs. (around 950 fps) Plenty of power, good shot count, and hunter quiet with the Bulls Eye Bill shroud I have installed; and pellet costs don't break the bank.
It can be cranked up to well over 100 ft lbs, but I haven't found the need for that much power in day to day hunting. Even at 60 ft lbs the Condor will put a smile on your face with each shot. ;D
I also owned an Escape (24 inch barrel) before the Ring-Loc valve came out, and it was a nice field gun but needed a de-tune for shot count and accuracy with mid weight .25 cal pellets. The RL valve will make that task much easier now, and if I were to go that route again, the 18 inch barrel might be my choice.
In the north GA woods, I rarely get a shot at something more than 50 yards out (it disappears in the foliage) so 60 ft lbs is plenty of power for most mid size game I might come across.
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The new Condors with the Ring-Loc valve kits are easy to ramp up or down in power, and mine does very well with 31 gn H&N Grizzley pellets at about 60 ft lbs. (around 950 fps) Plenty of power, good shot count, and hunter quiet with the Bulls Eye Bill shroud I have installed; and pellet costs don't break the bank.
It can be cranked up to well over 100 ft lbs, but I haven't found the need for that much power in day to day hunting. Even at 60 ft lbs the Condor will put a smile on your face with each shot. ;D
I also owned an Escape (24 inch barrel) before the Ring-Loc valve came out, and it was a nice field gun but needed a de-tune for shot count and accuracy with mid weight .25 cal pellets. The RL valve will make that task much easier now, and if I were to go that route again, the 18 inch barrel might be my choice.
In the north GA woods, I rarely get a shot at something more than 50 yards out (it disappears in the foliage) so 60 ft lbs is plenty of power for most mid size game I might come across.
Steve, thank you for your informative insight about Condors!